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Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: Elrick Coldsmith on 23/06/2008 22:54:13 While I imagine this thread will be shortly hijacked, it is my intention to speak for the Brutally Clever Empire as its current Head Fleet Commander in naming and (hopefully) shaming the individuals and corps who took advantage of our rather messy leadership transition to theive tens of billions of isk in assets.
First: Marcus Malos, CEO of Omen incorporated. Other members of the corp may or may not have been involved or aware of this theft.
Omen inc. was responsible for maintaining a large percentage of the Bruce POS system, and they did this job fairly poorly, causing us to lose sov in several systems due to POS's running out of fuel, not anchoring defense modules in a timely fashion, and not loading ammo into guns resulting in some very embarrassing and avoidable losses (one of which happily enough was Midganth Stallsman's rorqual)
Before making their withdrawal from the alliance public and official (they had already moved the bulk of their assets out) they thieved ALL bruce POS assets in storage including multiple deathstars, all alliance fuel and all spare stocks of POS modules. Many of these items can now be found for sale in PNQY. In addition Marcus Malos was given 8-9 Billion isk to purchase fuel to be shipped in the day before this theft was noticed, neither the fuel nor the money was ever seen again.
Multiple conversations between myself and Marcus resulted in him attempting to explain this was all a mistake, but he was unwilling to offer any confirm-able proof in his defense, and promised repeatedly to deliver said fuel to our Alliance. This has never occurred.
We are fairly certain he is the individual responsible due to timestamps and access logs from holding corp alt characters who had access to these assets. We have some indication that other Omen members were aware of and potentially assisted in this theft but this can not be confirmed with in-game evidence.
Second: Hisgoatness of Calista Industries [calis] A long-time member of bruce and a long-time Senior FC in Bruce. Always somewhat critical of alliance policies and procedures and a walking personality conflict with other Bruce members, this individual resigned his FC position but remained in the Alliance. Shortly after the withdrawal of FOOM, Hisgoatness used his holding/executor corp alt to theive the entirety of Bruce's fleet reimbursement stocks, over 100 ships and fittings including trimark rigs, more than half of which were battleships. Calis left the alliance shortly thereafter.
These items are ALSO now for sale in Fountain sold by the alt char "9 inches". Most of the battleships were listed below insurance payout and have thus been purchased and destroyed for insurance fraud.
the CALIS ceo has been contacted and provided with this info, but we have no information on his response if any, thus we are unable to verify if calis as a corp was involved to any extent. Our evidence only confirms that Hisgoatness and his holding corp alt were responsible, with the appropriate log-on times and access logs backing it up, and confirmed by the market sale of the missing assets.
I am sure this thread will now degenerate into the usual CAOD nonsense, however, while bruce was reeling at the time of these thefts it was by no means dead. Theiving from an alliance that was slowly failure cascading is still a theft from those who gave trust, and thus future alliances and individuals should be aware of the extent to which these individuals can be trusted. Especially in light of the fact that both of these corps have now joined other alliances.
Alliances or corp-mates of these individuals who desire more detailed evidence of these accusations please contact myself or William Mc*****en, the current bruce diplomat. Our internal investigation was fairly thorough and we are all but certain these individuals are responsible for the thefts we are accusing them of. We would be happy to provide hard evidence to relevent and interested parties.
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Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:47:00 -
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Hijacker here. Take me to Cuba! Arghy is the one true God and Dungar is His prophet. |
AnarchistUK
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:51:00 -
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Named and definately shamed!
Good luck with anyone trusting you guys again. Damage done, we're moving on, but your names are forever blackened!
Any alliance / corp reading this, steer clear from said thieves! ----------------------------------------------
"Due to our logs, CCP does not acknowledge you. Have a nice day." |
MASSIVEMURDERMACHINE
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:55:00 -
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Free Midgath Stallsman!
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Grim Mercy
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:58:00 -
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IBRS : In Before Rajere Spam
Sadly, as I am back in the NPC corp to be a mission-running carebear for a little while, this post will be edited right out.
Anyway, I hope you guys are having fun out in...well, where ever it is you are now.
By the way, I personally contacted Hisgoatness and Marcus Malos via convo to ask a stipend for putting items up at uncompetitive prices to my own sell orders. They both gave me a few hundred millions by means of compensation. I'm sure all you'd have to do is convo them for the same deal. Or spam their mailboxes. Or their new alliances.
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Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:58:00 -
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afaik midganth is quite free at the moment, though minus a rorqual :)
I'm just counting down the minutes until this thread gets spammed with people congratulating the corp theives, but hopefully the right people will now have the necessary info on these folks.
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Flavia Clio
Ero Guro VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:58:00 -
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Oh that'll teach those thieves.
A butthurt I got my $hit stolen thread.
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Shimrod
Greyskulls
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:58:00 -
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Am sure there's room in BNC for them
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Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:03:00 -
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Please do not mistake this thread for a whine.
We are quite aware of the security lapses and mistakes that led to these corp thefts, and being an alliance of our size and with the generosity of our loyal members and corps we recovered fairly quickly.
It was an expensive lesson, but a lesson nontheless.
Our intent is not to say "waaahhh we got stuff stolen, send us pity and donations"
Our intent is simply to name these individuals so that those dealing with them in the future will have this information which casts doubt on their integrity and trustworthiness.
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith
First: Marcus Malos, CEO of Omen incorporated. Other members of the corp may or may not have been involved or aware of this theft.
Figured, he tried the same thing with me about a year ago before I extracted the few useful members he had and removed his corp for being complete ****. Don't know how these idiots got access to anything, especially after they let Scius back in.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:05:00 -
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Corp/Alliance Thievery is always no fun.
It would be better if you were getting a cut of the isk due to firesales as opposed to someone else, right?
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dawood koplanski
Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: dawood koplanski on 23/06/2008 23:11:25 Wow Hisgoatness was critical of alliance policies!!! I mean you guys had it all spot on with mk3 bs fleets and all, and he had the audacity to question you. Fair point he may of been a bit inactive in your war against the serpentis rats in the belts, as he was busying himself with the minor task of fighting BOB and PL (they stuck around in y2 long after the rest of you. Hell even I left after I saw how futile it was!!) Hes no thief, tho tbh if he did this im sure plenty will congratulate him myslef included and frankly id trust him with my stuff over any tgrad farmer on the basis he has my back in gangs.
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:10:00 -
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I believe there were few ex-KOS members in PL who were smiling when they noticed Marcus Malos in BRUCE at the start of the campain .
Ah well, expensive lessons hopefully learned for all those involved in BRUCE in more fronts than one.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:15:00 -
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Sorry to hear about your loss. Added both names to my list below.
Services I Provide:
Caldari Factional Standing Increase ò Alliance Creation ò The Thieves Of EvE ò My Links
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nMeh
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: dawood koplanski Edited by: dawood koplanski on 23/06/2008 23:11:25 Wow Hisgoatness was critical of alliance policies!!! I mean you guys had it all spot on with mk3 bs fleets and all, and he had the audacity to question you.
He invented the mk3's, now you can see the problem
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Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:23:00 -
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heh, well said Nmeh.
he and his corp were loudly against the alliance reimbursement program.
Which makes their theft of all of its stocks somewhat not-surprising as their parting gesture for their time in bruce.
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Gorespawn
Galactic Fighter Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Gorespawn on 23/06/2008 23:24:54 Hey Marcus, looks like you did it again.
For the Bruce People if you'd check your corps references before letting em in you'd noticed that Omen Corp has been involved in such operations since they decided to join alliances.
ps.: You still want your towers from Q-GQ Station to be taken to empire ?
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dawood koplanski
Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:26:00 -
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Well you need to ask your self if any of his corp or allinace m8s trust him after reading your waste-of-thread? answer is they still do! So give it up and go mine ice or whatver you do.
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Tumbles
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shadoo I believe there were few ex-KOS members in PL who were smiling when they noticed Marcus Malos in BRUCE at the start of the campain .
Ah well, expensive lessons hopefully learned for all those involved in BRUCE in more fronts than one.
Yep he pulled an alliance theft while in KOS. I believe that a few PL people tried to warn BRUCE about this too. I was really looking forward to any time we were shooting Omen. Marcus is always on my red list. He really missed out on that "Plays well with others" grade in kindergarten. Sorry u guys got nailed too.
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Gorespawn
Galactic Fighter Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:31:00 -
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Hi Five Tumbles.
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Anastasia Korenchkin
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.24 00:16:00 -
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Marcus Malos was a notorious cheat and all-round scumbag in another game I used to play (Planetarion). I guess leopards really don't change their spots.
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xRevolveRx
Masters of Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.06.24 00:25:00 -
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Hey, you forgot FOOM!!! |
Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.06.24 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: xRevolveRx Hey, you forgot FOOM!!!
^^This, ^^This, ^^This, and so frakking ^^This!!
It's so safe to play along, little soldiers in a row Falling in and out of love, with something sweet to throw away. I want something good to DIE for...to make it beautiful to live. |
Gorespawn
Galactic Fighter Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.24 01:23:00 -
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Edited by: Gorespawn on 24/06/2008 01:34:37
Originally by: Anastasia Korenchkin Marcus Malos was a notorious cheat and all-round scumbag in another game I used to play (Planetarion). I guess leopards really don't change their spots.
Thats wheere i knew him from. Thats actually quite funny, thats what 8 years ago ?
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.24 01:40:00 -
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one day the need for many poses to hold sov will soon be at an end hopefully. until then, many a man have been so burned by this "duty" that the just reward at the end of it all, is a little bit of thievery to go on a total vacation.
C.E.O.
Go Hard, or go Home.
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Anton March
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2008.06.24 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: AnarchistUK Named and definately shamed!
Good luck with anyone trusting you guys again. Damage done, we're moving on, but your names are forever blackened!
Any alliance / corp reading this, steer clear from said thieves!
Aniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
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hope3434
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.24 03:13:00 -
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Sad part is they will just jump into new toons
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Marcus Malos
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Malos on 24/06/2008 03:45:34
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith
Omen inc. was responsible for maintaining a large percentage of the Bruce POS system, and they did this job fairly poorly, causing us to lose sov in several systems due to POS's running out of fuel, not anchoring defense modules in a timely fashion, and not loading ammo into guns resulting in some very embarrassing and avoidable losses (one of which happily enough was Midganth Stallsman's rorqual)
1. We ran 3 Pos's for the alliance, one in Y-2ANO (oh wait lets all run away and let the towers there die, fail bruce tactic. 2 were jump bridge pos's which received 0 assistance when they were attacked nor was any attempt made by FC's to save tower when they came out of reinforced with the arguement "oh its more then 10 jumps we can't do it without the jumpbridges".
None of the towers we ran ever ran out of fuel, all were armed, yes ammunition did run down in one of the pos's which was sorted within a few hrs.
Yes BRUCE did lose sov in a bunch of systems when we took down our corporation towers in Manticore and Kraken but they were corp assets not alliance ones, when it was clear BRUCE only cared for moon revenues we took OUR towers down, posted about it Almost a month before we left.
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Gragnor
Ordos Humanitas Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Malos Edited by: Marcus Malos on 24/06/2008 03:45:34
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith
Omen inc. was responsible for maintaining a large percentage of the Bruce POS system, and they did this job fairly poorly, causing us to lose sov in several systems due to POS's running out of fuel, not anchoring defense modules in a timely fashion, and not loading ammo into guns resulting in some very embarrassing and avoidable losses (one of which happily enough was Midganth Stallsman's rorqual)
1. We ran 3 Pos's for the alliance, one in Y-2ANO (oh wait lets all run away and let the towers there die, fail bruce tactic. 2 were jump bridge pos's which received 0 assistance when they were attacked nor was any attempt made by FC's to save tower when they came out of reinforced with the arguement "oh its more then 10 jumps we can't do it without the jumpbridges".
None of the towers we ran ever ran out of fuel, all were armed, yes ammunition did run down in one of the pos's which was sorted within a few hrs.
Yes BRUCE did lose sov in a bunch of systems when we took down our corporation towers in Manticore and Kraken but they were corp assets not alliance ones, when it was clear BRUCE only cared for moon revenues we took OUR towers down, posted about it Almost a month before we left.
Bull****. You've been caught, named and shamed. Glory in your theft maggot. Time to sell your character; but now everyone will know why it's tainted.
As for the Rorqual loss of Midgath - didn't know that. But it makes me smile a little.
Hisgoatness; interesting little tidbit there; empty vessels make the most noise - we should have realised when he began squawking!
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Malos
You're next.
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FMAR
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: Marcus Malos
You're next.
Time for a change, new blood, will get posting.
Lets go get coffee ***** cat, on me.
The Tranny Hunter |
DHB FooFighter
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.24 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: Marcus Malos
You're next.
I thought i was next :( -------------------------------------------------
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Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 04:43:00 -
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"1. We ran 3 Pos's for the alliance,"
Interesting, this is in somewhat direct contradiction to the number of POS's you claimed to run when I requested explanation on why you were selling so many pos modules that matched those that went missing.
But I suppose all those other pos's are just sitting right next to the fuel that "has already been contracted" right?
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mazzilliu
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 09:10:00 -
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Hey BRUCE corp theives(and people with trapped assets in general):
I have been/will still be buying any and all items for 50% jita value in those fountain stations with your trapped assets. I don't ask questions as to wwhere you got your items, and your business with me will be kept quiet. I notice there are some corp hangars in the PNQY and G95 stations with some stuff remaining in it. If someone could fish that out for me I will buy everything for 50% jita =)
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General StarScream
Empyrean Gallente
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Posted - 2008.06.24 10:27:00 -
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Dam that sucks, people whom rip there won corp/alliance are really low. Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Drama Llama
DramaLlamaDingDong
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Posted - 2008.06.24 11:40:00 -
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New postby AnarchistUK on Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:57 pm Bruce is folding up, but I hope that we all set each other blue and use a common channel to keep in contact! Some very nice guys in BRUCE and I hope we don't lose contact... :cry:
Some of the best times I've had in BRUCE!!!
Remember what we put up with...
No friendlies. We fought against BOB, PL, CI, TRI, BE, GOONS, RA, ATRUM + many more top PVP alliances! We lost leadership and members when FOOM left us. Forum hacks. Vent comprimised. Numerous thieves (low life scum).
We lasted a long time against all that!
Why we breaking up? Purely lack of inactivty and our leadership was unfortuently busy in real life (not pointing fingers, but it's a factor). We moved about 20% of BRUCE to Syndicate, which wasn't enough and helped the alliance fail.
So back to high sec! Get your corps back up to scratch with recruitment, stay in contact! I hope a new channel will be setup or an exsisting one is chosen.
YARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR to my fellow BRUCEs!
HA!
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Marcus Malos
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Malos on 24/06/2008 12:04:17
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith "1. We ran 3 Pos's for the alliance,"
Interesting, this is in somewhat direct contradiction to the number of POS's you claimed to run when I requested explanation on why you were selling so many pos modules that matched those that went missing.
But I suppose all those other pos's are just sitting right next to the fuel that "has already been contracted" right?
We ran 3 for alliance, and had 34 which were owned by members in corp who were running moon mining networks of which a big chunk were taxed, including 4 drug production pos's, not counting the pos down in Cloud Ring.
What happened when we took down our corp towers, oh 30% of the cynosural gen systems went down in a 24hr period, which incidently we all corp purchases and werent fueled with alliance fuel.
Unlike the majority of BRUCE corps who were using AllSec pos's as corp manufacturing bases.
Look at my thread on the command forums and see how many corps bothered to respond with pos information they were running for alliance, it was 2-3. I know there was a hell of a lot more, what was it 50-100bn in alliance towers individual corps were running?
If you want to know what happened its obvious, those corps saw the writing on the wall and decided to keep the assets for themselves, which is why only 2 corps bothered to request pos' fuel, and what about the 15 or so other people with access to the hangars?
Could always have checked the secure cans audit features, but again people with those roles never responded on the origional thread, just made vague accusations.
In between the time of the theft and when my alt was kicked from the holding corp which was only within the last week how many Da Bruce alts were Biomassed? I counted atleast 5 from automated corp mails.
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith
Multiple conversations between myself and Marcus resulted in him attempting to explain this was all a mistake, but he was unwilling to offer any confirm-able proof in his defense, and promised repeatedly to deliver said fuel to our Alliance. This has never occurred.
We are fairly certain he is the individual responsible due to timestamps and access logs from holding corp alt characters who had access to these assets. We have some indication that other Omen members were aware of and potentially assisted in this theft but this can not be confirmed with in-game evidence.
How is it possible to offer "confirm-able proof" of a theft not committed?
I of course can't speak on any of your private meetings with Marcus regarding fuel supplies (as I wasn't there) but I can assure you that any implication of involvement of omen members in this is false, Marcus never mentioned anything like this on either corp mail, vent or chat.
I'm a believer of the adagium innocent until proven otherwise, you turn that around. As far as the POSses go, Omen took down their personal POSses after it became apperant that Bruce was not willing to defend our assets we put up for the sake of Bruce - do not blame us for the failings and incompetence of your military command, it was weak military leadership and a memberbase not willing to fight for their territory (Omen did their share of defending, we lost enough until you guys backstabbed us) that made us lose the war, not Marcus Malos or any other Omen member.
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith
Alliances or corp-mates of these individuals who desire more detailed evidence of these accusations please contact myself or William Mc*****en, the current bruce diplomat. Our internal investigation was fairly thorough and we are all but certain these individuals are responsible for the thefts we are accusing them of. We would be happy to provide hard evidence to relevent and interested parties.
If you can offer more (read 'any' to be honest) detailed and/or hard evidence of your accusations against Omen than why don't you just put it in here?
As I summarise your post I come to the conclusion that you sofar have only made: Groundless accusations towards Omen based on flimsy circumstantial evidence against alts you did not name and logs that the reader can not even verify. The above while laying the blame on Marcus for not proving he is innocent (which he shouldn't even have to and is also impossible).
This looks to me like you are trying to find a scapegoat to put the blame of Bruce's loss on, considering you are part of the military command that is largely to blame for Bruce's failing in the first place that doesn't make you sound very credible.
Drea`D
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Sorrowed
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sorrowed on 24/06/2008 12:13:20 Marcus Malos.
You sir are full of "S". As a former rep and CEO of one of the founding corps of Bruce i can confirm you are full of it. You did not give months notice and had 3 seperate incidents where ya let POS's go offline due to lack of fueling. You had access and were tasked out with buying the fuel right as FOOM was leaving. You withdrew the isk from the holding corp and never delivered the items.
You sir are a liar and a cheat. Your Corp members, oh, and your 2 alt/feeder corps are also liable for theft by association. Shade will engage and attack any and all assets you have in low sec and or high sec whenever logisticaly relevent to us. We will slaughter any with an omen tag at anytime with malice. I personally could care less what you say and or what type of proof you attempt to post here, those of us in the know have all the proof and documentation needed to justify the outright hunting and systematic butchering of anyone associated with you and or your corp.
Goat: i have played with you for years and am haveing trouble believing that what has been posted is true. If true, the same will go for any corp you are a member of, unless you reinburse the members of my corp, all the isk they have paid in taxes to supply the ships you are now selling. I take personal affront to any type of selling considering hippie haters paid billions of isk in taxes to these programs over their tenyear in bruce. Our members work is being squadered by thieves, and the least we can do is extract a small portion of our money back in K/Ms. Take a look at our board anytime as we have become quite proficient in the revenge buisness.
Good day
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Marcus Malos
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe Figured, he tried the same thing with me about a year ago before I extracted the few useful members he had and removed his corp for being complete ****. Don't know how these idiots got access to anything, especially after they let Scius back in.
You recruited a director who stole our corp wallet and took his friends over and promptly looted most the ships located at our pos's while we were down in outer ring with an alliance gang.
Your perspective is "interesting" to say the least.
Oh and how long did those people who you extracted with our corp assets stay? A week or two at most, as soon as stuff got tough they ran off over to other alliances like Pure.
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Marcus Malos
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Malos on 24/06/2008 12:16:55
Originally by: Sorrowed You sir are full of "S". As a former rep and CEO of one of the founding corps of Bruce i can confirm you are full of it. You did not give months notice and had 3 seperate incidents where ya let POS's go offline due to lack of fueling. You had access and were tasked out with buying the fuel right as FOOM was leaving. You withdrew the isk from the holding corp and never delivered the items.
Given the origional forums were deleted I took this quote off kugutsumen's forums
Originally by: Spacy Cadette
Long post comming, but wanted to point out, judging by omens moon drops, they are also doing what we are. I was wondering about that when I saw that this morning, as I said in the other thread that got deleted last night, I continue to wonder how far along the failure cascade this alliance is in right now.
The Goons and PL are pulling the classic move on us, and we continue to move along that path IMHO.
That was from the FOOM internal posts about pulling out of BRUCE.
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Aneu Angellus
Revival.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:19:00 -
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Lets find a scape goat! Hey i know, lets blame Marcus, YES LETS ALL DO IT!
Jesus, its pretty obvious, when an alliance dies its a FFA on all alliance assets, if you dont get any, its your fault, if you do, then your in luck!
End of discussion tbh... ________________
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Sorrowed
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:31:00 -
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Hey marcus, i have all 2300 posts nicely converted to PDF that were on the reps forum. I will not be posting them or copying anything from them. I do not care what you say or how you rationalize your action. I know, in my mind, based of factual evidence you did what i said you did. I dont care how much you try and spinn this on CAOD or how you justify it to the community at large. I need no other entity nor ask for any assistance. We will be comming, may not be this week, may not be next as we are under contract quite a bit, however know this sir. When you are most comfortable, we will come. I certainly hope your noobs squeel well, and i hope you fuel your towers now better than you did in bruce. when we find em, they will be going down one way or another
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:32:00 -
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Now that BRUCE is officially disbanding, I just wanted to wish BRUCE pilots the best of luck in the future.
Pick friends with a true vested interest in you and with concrete proof that they are willing to help you when it matters. Adapt to the ever changing conditions this game throws at you. Do not blindkly trust people, especially your leadership when you suspect something amiss. Don't let pride or ego cloud your judgement, sometimes its best to recognize that you are not as great as you make yourself out to be. There is no shame is realizing your own shortcomings. Numbers aren't always everything.
As a parting jibe: PL warned you/gave you better options. You can keep your shining armor all the way to high sec. *waves a fond fairwell from PNQY, 7BX and U-S while using Dyprosium/Promethium/Shadow Serp modules as toilet paper*
(Mazz's offer to buy your stuff at 50% Jita is more than fair, you won't get anything better from anyone else who takes Fountain over)
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Aneu Angellus
Revival.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:36:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Sorrowed Hey marcus, i have all 2300 posts nicely converted to PDF that were on the reps forum. I will not be posting them or copying anything from them. I do not care what you say or how you rationalize your action. I know, in my mind, based of factual evidence you did what i said you did. I dont care how much you try and spinn this on CAOD or how you justify it to the community at large. I need no other entity nor ask for any assistance. We will be comming, may not be this week, may not be next as we are under contract quite a bit, however know this sir. When you are most comfortable, we will come. I certainly hope your noobs squeel well, and i hope you fuel your towers now better than you did in bruce. when we find em, they will be going down one way or another
So, Sarrowed, tell me... what exactly would have happened to those modules had they been left?
Are you sore about not having them yourself? :( ________________
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Sorrowed
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:38:00 -
[46]
No Aneo, im sore cause i paid alot in taxes and hes benefitting from my work. Pluss, everyone likes shooting a known S-Bag eh?
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Gizzler
Red Star Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:43:00 -
[47]
BRUCE is dead, why wont you not just let it go?
You are shaming your self by bringing out all this dirty laundry and fail to give out any prof.
Take a deep breath and let it go now. Everybody looked out for them self when things went downhill. Nothing special in that, thats how things work. Stop staying behind and start looking forward. We all lost assets. Leadership took the most... thats the fact. |
Aneu Angellus
Revival.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:47:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Sorrowed No Aneo, im sore cause i paid alot in taxes and hes benefitting from my work. Pluss, everyone likes shooting a known S-Bag eh?
So where is the proof, its one thing to accuse someone of something, its another to actually prove he did it, bring proof or scuttle back under your rock! ________________
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Marcus Malos
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:48:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Sorrowed When you are most comfortable, we will come. I certainly hope your noobs squeel well
My "newbs" were on average killing 3-4bn a week and loosing a few hundred mill, and what did we get for it? Oh you shouldn't fly hacs/recons/hics, fly our MK3's they are the win!
So I'm really not that bothered, as for theft, justification or spin, I've only bothered to pick apart statements that are entirely falicious.
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Marcus Malos
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:49:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Sorrowed No Aneo, im sore cause i paid alot in taxes and hes benefitting from my work. Pluss, everyone likes shooting a known S-Bag eh?
Didn't you run for the hills when FOOM left ;).
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:58:00 -
[51]
Edited by: dr34dd on 24/06/2008 13:00:32
Originally by: Sorrowed I personally could care less what you say and or what type of proof you attempt to post here, those of us in the know have all the proof and documentation needed to justify the outright hunting and systematic butchering of anyone associated with you and or your corp.
Kind of makes you wonder why none of it is in this thread then, if those of 'you in the know' have all the proof and documentation needed, why make a thread about it without posting a scrap of "confirm-able proof" (a term coined by Elrick).
Originally by: Sorrowed Hey marcus, i have all 2300 posts nicely converted to PDF that were on the reps forum. I will not be posting them or copying anything from them.
I rest my case :']. The fact that you (in your head ) don't need assistance to take us down doesn't give you a free pass to post a load of BS without any tangible evidence and sound credible at the same time.
The fact that your original response was that you are putting on a public vendetta for allegedly having 3 fuel incidents in 4 months time when running over 40 posses kinda made me chuckle, I'm surprised you actually have time to run contracts with that attitude.
As an interested reader who is apperantly 'guilty by association' I'm still waiting on an account of the fuel thing from both sides, some 'confirm-able proof' would be nice actually.
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Arkanjuca
R.U.S.T.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 13:08:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Sorrowed Goat: i have played with you for years and am haveing trouble believing that what has been posted is true.
Me too... -- AF should be like HACs
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Kira Pasisson
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.06.24 13:09:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Kira Pasisson on 24/06/2008 13:09:12 well if this is true, those guys responsible helped destroying an alliance who at least fought unlike many others, which results in me giving bruce much more respect compared to lots of other 00 alliances....
you thieves obviously need to cover ur true impo***** in eve, and maybe somewhere else as well
say welcome to the scum of eve, traitors!!
finally, all the best to those many brave bruce pilots, it was an honour to fight u guys
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 13:29:00 -
[54]
Have you actually read ANYTHING in this thread except for the title and first post Kira?
There's another side to this fairytale, while it is very easy and attractive for the military command and others in a key position to blame 2 corps for the downfall of an alliance of thousands (especially if you let go of the need to post any evidence) it doesn't make it correct.
Unfortunately with threads like these the first post seems convincing if you skimread it, only when you take a closer look to the original text you actually see how flawed and weak the underlying argumentation really is.
^ <- that's me referring to the posts above made by several people of the eve community that turns this thread into a laughing stock.
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xttz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.24 13:53:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Marcus Malos
Originally by: xttz What was his name in PA?
origionally Marcus Malos.
With the Omen thing I was expecting Killmark...
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 13:57:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Anastasia Korenchkin Marcus Malos was a notorious cheat and all-round scumbag in another game I used to play (Planetarion). I guess leopards really don't change their spots.
I actually condone that remark btw :P Marcus was probably the biggest cheat in the history of tickbased gaming :'], though that didn't include 'stealing' anything, it involved running multiple accounts which was forbidden in that game (which it's not in eve).
That doesn't say much about him in eve though and more specific: it doesn't prove he stole anything from Bruce (or any other corp/alliance for that)
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:00:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Eltyron on 24/06/2008 14:00:31
Originally by: dr34dd
Nobody likes a hypocrite right
I just pointed some out.
Here is some more:
Originally by: Marcus Malos
Oh and how long did those people who you extracted with our corp assets stay? A week or two at most, as soon as stuff got tough they ran off over to other alliances like Pure.
Your corp left after the 3rd week that things "got tough" in Fountain.
Am I pointing fingers at your corp specifically? Not my intention, I'm just trying to stir the pot. Your corp did a fair amount of killing, which can't be said about other corps represented in this thread.
Edit - I fail at quoting properly
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:07:00 -
[58]
Edited by: dr34dd on 24/06/2008 14:08:53
Originally by: Eltyron Edited by: Eltyron on 24/06/2008 14:00:31
Originally by: dr34dd
Nobody likes a hypocrite right
I just pointed some out.
Marcus hasn't said anything about other corps leaving bruce, he just said that the accusation of being a scumbag was a bit odd coming from someone who left bruce himself therefore not condoning him for leaving bruce but for pointing the finger at someone else when Sorrow is as much at fault as the one he's pointing at, ergo being a hypocrite :-).
Originally by: Marcus Malos
Oh and how long did those people who you extracted with our corp assets stay? A week or two at most, as soon as stuff got tough they ran off over to other alliances like Pure.
Stating that someone wasn't very adept at nicking "the good members" when they left him within weeks doesn't make you a hypocrite either :p - my stance is not that Omen are saints, my stance is that you can not blame us for leaving as we got backstabbed and took losses for the alliance without even getting the courtesy of an attempt at help. This thread and it's unbased accusations of alliance theft is only another confirmation of my idea on Bruce.
Drea`D
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:15:00 -
[59]
Originally by: dr34dd 'soothing placating misdirecting words'
You are more BRUCE than you realize.
Marcus making fun of someone for bailing when FOOM left then your corp leaves 1 day after FOOM.
Marcus making fun of someone hopping alliances when things got tough, then your corp leaves in roughly the same timeframe as he stated, when things got tough.
Am I missing something? I hope so. The teardrop machine is running low.
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Marcus Malos
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:31:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Eltyron
Originally by: dr34dd 'soothing placating misdirecting words'
You are more BRUCE than you realize.
Marcus making fun of someone for bailing when FOOM left then your corp leaves 1 day after FOOM.
Marcus making fun of someone hopping alliances when things got tough, then your corp leaves in roughly the same timeframe as he stated, when things got tough.
Am I missing something? I hope so. The teardrop machine is running low.
If you look at the origional quote you'll see a ;) as in a wink, you take this game way to seriously.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:33:00 -
[61]
Originally by: dr34dd
my stance is not that Omen are saints, my stance is that you can not blame us for leaving as we got backstabbed and took losses for the alliance without even getting the courtesy of an attempt at help. This thread and it's unbased accusations of alliance theft is only another confirmation of my idea on Bruce. Drea`D
"Ask not what you can do for your Alliance. Ask what your Alliance can be relieved of."
Your corp wasn't the only one under the squeeze when things got tough. You signed up to be part of a larger wheel. If you feel your corps importance was greater than the sum of BRUCE as a whole, then that is your perogative. Instead of sticking around, you left. I leave it up to the general reader to deduce what that means about your corp.
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:37:00 -
[62]
o/ Bruce.... sad to see you go, still can't believe you lost a full region and folded your alliance all over one moon, because of pride that was never really gained. You only got a small taste of what the real front lines are about, but I guess that was enough to decide it wasn't for you.
Good luck with the faction warfare stuff, we have been ganking in there now and then, and it looks like fun
Get your skills together and jump back into the fight
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:37:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Marcus Malos
you take this game way to seriously.
I apologize for not taking the easy way out when stuff gets raw. I will make a concerted effort next time to leave my alliance post haste when someone shoots at me for 3 consecutive weeks.
Thank You for your wisdom.
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Marcus Malos
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:41:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Marcus Malos on 24/06/2008 14:43:27
Originally by: Eltyron
"Ask not what you can do for your Alliance. Ask what your Alliance can be relieved of."
Your corp wasn't the only one under the squeeze when things got tough. You signed up to be part of a larger wheel. If you feel your corps importance was greater than the sum of BRUCE as a whole, then that is your perogative. Instead of sticking around, you left. I leave it up to the general reader to deduce what that means about your corp.
My only obligation is to my shareholders.
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Marcus Malos
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:43:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Eltyron
Originally by: Marcus Malos
you take this game way to seriously.
I apologize for not taking the easy way out when stuff gets raw. I will make a concerted effort next time to leave my alliance post haste when someone shoots at me for 3 consecutive weeks.
Thank You for your wisdom.
Maybe we wanted to get away from having to worry about towers, sov and just do some random pew pew.
Hmm so what did we immediately do after leaving Bruce, we went and terrorised parts of low sec Genesis and did 8-9 wardecs, blew up 7-8 towers, looted them, split the profit and then considered going back out to 0.0.
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Ebuhuel
PezCo - Ice Services
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:51:00 -
[66]
are we still beating this dead cat, BRUCE was a good alliance with good people. Unfortunately it had some rotten people aswell and not the activity and experience in the end to hold 0.0 space. It failure cascaded, it died stop beating a dead cat allready and just be glad u have some good memories and go have fun playing Eve.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:58:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Marcus Malos
Maybe we wanted to get away from having to worry about towers, sov and just do some random pew pew.
Hmm so what did we immediately do after leaving Bruce, we went and terrorised parts of low sec Genesis and did 8-9 wardecs, blew up 7-8 towers, looted them, split the profit and then considered going back out to 0.0.
I still don't see why you are trying to justify your corp's actions to me. My opinion stands, you ran away to go pick on something less difficult to boost your ego. That's what everyone does.
Trying to spin it as something other than what it is, just makes you look like BRUCE.
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Ecid Q'Wulf
Blue Labs
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Posted - 2008.06.24 15:05:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Ebuhuel are we still beating this dead cat, BRUCE was a good alliance with good people. Unfortunately it had some rotten people aswell[...]
It had as good people that it did accomplish more then Daisho/Axe combined. So dont feel bad, reqgrop and kick ass :P
As far as rotten people go, Marcus Malos, for all intends and purposes had always had a shady history in Online Games. May that have been Multi-accounting that had not been allowed, account(s) sharing, or just playing eve and ripping of people and then making a big fuss about it when he got counterscammed/named. So far thats the third time he did this is EVE that I know about, and people still get him and his Corp in their alliances. All I can say is that typing in Names into Google can effectively reduce teh chances of beeing victim of a repeat offender ________
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Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 15:21:00 -
[69]
Remarkable how a simple "Hey careful of these thieves" thread turns into a commentary on bruce military tactics.
First off, we have no hard evidence except for some suspicious activity on the part of 2 omen corp members that they as a a CORP were involved in the theft. Our evidence only allows us to prove that Marcus himself was the theif. If his corp-mates say they knew nothing of it, they can only be taken at their word.
However, Marcus himself is certainly guilty of what we have accused him of. I suspect between how he wove his BS in our private chats and this forum now, that this is an extension of the game for him and he is finding entertainment in manipulating his position and statements.
Its a fairly simple matter, you look at which alts of our holding corp logged in during the period the theft occurred. You go to each one of them and you ask for evidence in their defense such as a full API key and the like as well as checking in-game logs. Marcus was the only one who refused to provide this information. Secondly, later on a LOT of POS modules went up for sale in PNQY, being sold by marcus/omen and their quantity matched fairly closely to what was missing.
CAOD does not allow the posting of chat logs and other thing that would be considered "hard" evidence. In any case I'd just be accused of faking them. Again, RELEVENT and interested parties know where to go for off-forum verification of our accusations. As for what evidence he supplied? He was unwilling to release any API info, or substantiate contextual statements that would point towards his innocence.
I will only say this, as marcus as avoided any reference to it. He was given a LOT of isk to buy fuel to ship in to the alliance just before his departure, and assured us (we have the chat logs) many times that he WOULD contract it over, or even that he HAD contracted it over already.
We never got it. Where is the fuel or the money?
All other statements are irrelevant in the face of that one simple fact. However many POS's they ran, whatever their reasons for leaving, the fuel cannot be accounted for. Even if he did NOT steal all of our POS's and modules and fuel, hes at least made off with 11 billion (just checked the number) isk in fuel money.
Pandemic says he is a theif. For whatever reason I can't fathom, he was let into Bruce despite and given high level access. Bruce's ineptitude on security matters is already well known, lets not beat that dead horse. Now we say he is a corp theif. If a third alliance wants to repeat the mistake, thats their business. They certainly will get a lot of "we told you so's" 6-10 months from now when they make a similar post.
And yes, Hisgoatness' theft was a rather large shock to all of us. We looked into it quite thoroughly as we couldn't really believe it at first. But, he didn't exactly go to lengths to hide it aside from waiting till we all left fountain before putting stuff up on market. We probably wouldn't have discovered the sales if we hadn't been playing with a last POS in USO weeks after we had evac'd.
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Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 15:37:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Elrick Coldsmith on 24/06/2008 15:41:45 Secondly, if you had disagreements or a lack of faith with the bruce military leadership, then it is your prerogative to leave. Leaving is VERY different than grabbing whatever isn't bolted down on your way out. One is legitimate and understandable, the other makes you scum. Whatever your reasons for leaving, none of them condone alliance theft.
You are correct that I am part of the bruce military Hiarchy, however I was only made an FC the week of FOOM's departure, and became head FC only when we were already leaving fountain. Thus I can't speak to your earlier communication troubles with the staff, as I wasn't on it.
It seems you are making some implication that "we left and stole your stuff cus the mark3 sucked"
Ok.... The mark3 was a solid ship in SOME circumstances. When there was lag, it was useless. When the enemy sniper fleet produced enough DPS to overwhelm the tank of a ship BEFORE remote rep landed on it. It was useless. Its entire tactic was to slug through damage and whittle away at the enemy (their dps was pretty low). Like all swiss-army-knife solutions, it was ok at everything but good at nothing. Had bruce survived post-fountain you would have seen a rather significant shift in our fleet fits and tactics. (Too little too late, I know)
At no point have we said that "Its omen's fault we failed". They were a small part of an overall machine. Bruce had and has significant ISK reserves. While it generated many hours of frustrating work for our logistics pilots, replacement fuel was brought in in short order. At best had they not stolen our backup deathstars we may have prolonged our stay in fountain maybe a week, if that. Thus we are not attempting to scapegoat Marcus or omen for our failings. Again, our purpose in this posting was merely to warn the eve community of thieves. If people choose not to heed our warning, that is their choice. We have fulfilled our morale obligation in either case.
We were military beaten, no question about it. Foom's leaving and the failure cascade the followed broke the alliance in the only way possible, by destroying its members. The only way to lose eve is to quit, and Bruces did that by the thousands for a variety of reasons. Omen's part in this was very small. The membership wasn't even made aware of the theft until a good time after it occurred, and even then the emphasis was on the reimbursement ships being stolen as an explanation on why people weren't getting their battleships back as quickly as was usual so they could go fight PL some more.
As for "bruces not defending their territory" Wow, I wonder if we are in the same alliance. I will let PL answer whether throwing up hundreds of battleships day after day after day counts as defending our territory.
Did the FC's abandon strategically indefensible assets? Yes. Most of the Alliance POS's (Including yours) were pathetically armed. PL can attest to that sad fact. We had difficulty holding the field against PL fleets in our home systems, let alone 10-15 jumps away where their expert light dictors would give us much difficulty along the way and ensure few survivors would make it home. There was no point in losing 50 ships to defend a pathetically armed pos that would be destroyed anyway. We had some corps mad at the FC staff because we didn't send a massive fleet to defend their pet POS when on more than one occasion the POS didn't even have a single gun on it.
In ANY case, none of your complaints so far justifies alliance theft. It certainly justifies leaving if that is how you felt. However, no BRUCE is begrudging you for withdrawing, though the manner in which is was announced was certainly not the greatest, but due to the theft Marcus needed to high-tail it quickly and without much forewarning to the reps. Many corps withdrew on good terms, and we all knew the fair weather players would bail as soon as fountain was lost. The issue is your CEO's theft, not your withdrawal
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xRevolveRx
Masters of Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.06.24 15:40:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Sorrowed Edited by: Sorrowed on 24/06/2008 12:13:20 Marcus Malos.
You sir are full of "S". As a former rep and CEO of one of the founding corps of Bruce i can confirm you are full of it. You did not give months notice and had 3 seperate incidents where ya let POS's go offline due to lack of fueling.
whoopdy ******* doo. Foom gave like a week and a half notice (you only got that cause it was leaked and they had already moved out their corp assets) and they also took lots of alliance assets as they "earned" it for all the hard work they supposedly did.
And here you all are. Still licking foom's ****'* and pointing at other people saying they are the reason for bruce looking like fools. Elrick and all the ex-bruce people who can't get over why bruce failed and still trying to make excuses are the fools. Get over it. |
Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 15:44:00 -
[72]
Apparrantly some people can't read.... (right, its caod)
I and many others are aware of why bruce fell, and what was wrong, and how it MAY have been fixed in hindsight.
Marcus and Hisgoatness are minor players, and are NOT responsible for the fall of bruce.
Let me say it again.
These thefts ARE NOT why bruce fell.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 15:50:00 -
[73]
I will confirm that BRUCE lost over 2500 ships and 825 pods to PL alone. This does not include ships/pods killed by the GBC, SoT, CI, BE or any other entities that were involved in Fountain.
Roughly 84 ships and 37 capsules were lost by Omen.
I clearly see the 'backstab' and therefore the 'right' to reparations.
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xRevolveRx
Masters of Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.06.24 15:56:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith Apparrantly some people can't read.... (right, its caod)
I and many others are aware of why bruce fell, and what was wrong, and how it MAY have been fixed in hindsight.
Marcus and Hisgoatness are minor players, and are NOT responsible for the fall of bruce.
Let me say it again.
These thefts ARE NOT why bruce fell.
Yeah we are idiots so I don't know why you even bother to poast a "name and shame" on here without pictures.
You are a fool Elrick. You come here like you are on a witch hunt and are bitter about losing fountain and the state of which bruce has dropped to. You keep forgeting about foom though and are afraid to call them out. P-L kicked your asses a couple times and then took it into overdrive when bruce was in disarray of foom jumping ship. Shortly after foom pulled out everyone else started leaving and the leadership (if any) sat there waiting to see who was gonna stay. Because other corps pulled down their towers and removed their assets doesnt make them anymore thieves than foom were for trying to steal all the top fc's and fattening their pockets and assets with alliance crap they thought they had earned.
GET OVER IT |
Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:00:00 -
[75]
Originally by: xRevolveRx
You are a fool Elrick. You come here like you are on a witch hunt and are bitter about losing fountain and the state of which bruce has dropped to. You keep forgeting about foom though and are afraid to call them out. P-L kicked your asses a couple times and then took it into overdrive when bruce was in disarray of foom jumping ship. Shortly after foom pulled out everyone else started leaving and the leadership (if any) sat there waiting to see who was gonna stay. Because other corps pulled down their towers and removed their assets doesnt make them anymore thieves than foom were for trying to steal all the top fc's and fattening their pockets and assets with alliance crap they thought they had earned.
GET OVER IT
This man speaks the truth.
*Summons Zartek Matlov to this thread to preach the word of xRevolveRx*
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xRevolveRx
Masters of Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:01:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Eltyron
Originally by: xRevolveRx
You are a fool Elrick. You come here like you are on a witch hunt and are bitter about losing fountain and the state of which bruce has dropped to. You keep forgeting about foom though and are afraid to call them out. P-L kicked your asses a couple times and then took it into overdrive when bruce was in disarray of foom jumping ship. Shortly after foom pulled out everyone else started leaving and the leadership (if any) sat there waiting to see who was gonna stay. Because other corps pulled down their towers and removed their assets doesnt make them anymore thieves than foom were for trying to steal all the top fc's and fattening their pockets and assets with alliance crap they thought they had earned.
GET OVER IT
This man speaks the truth.
*Summons Zartek Matlov to this thread to preach the word of xRevolveRx*
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Dentari Moore
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:17:00 -
[77]
Originally by: "Various unhappy BRUCE peeps"
rabble, rabble, rabble
Shut up already. Shouldn't you be using your time to find a new alliance or somethin'? Sheesh.
AFAIK, there was no theft by Omen of BRUCE equipment. There IS a nice, expensive hunk of hardware still sitting in Z30 though. As for towers going off-line due to not being fueled by Omen... that never occured to the best of my knowledge.
But hey, we moved on. Maybe you ought to do the same, eh?
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Tor Manx
4 wing
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:20:00 -
[78]
I have no doubt Omen would and did steal from the alliance.
Hearing Hisgoatness and Calis thrown into the drama is a bit of a surprise though. Would be a shame if this part were true.
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Dentari Moore
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:23:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Tor Manx
rabble
Try posting with your ticker, dirt-bag.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:26:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Dentari Moore
Originally by: Tor Manx
rabble
Try posting with your ticker, dirt-bag.
I see you are playing 'bad cop' for Omen. Are you, perhaps, Dr34dd's evil twin brother?
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Tor Manx
4 wing
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:37:00 -
[81]
Done.
Originally by: Dentari Moore
Originally by: Tor Manx
rabble
Try posting with your ticker, dirt-bag.
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Dentari Moore
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:37:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Eltyron
I see you are playing 'bad cop' for Omen. Are you, perhaps, Dr34dd's evil twin brother?
Not to the best of my knowledge. But hey, it would definitely add to the drama.
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BAteh
The Elear FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:40:00 -
[83]
The GSC that Bruce stole from ME was not hijacked by any of those people.
So, the big shame is still... on YOU, stealing members, which is way more of a low blow than that.
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TroNaaR
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.24 18:31:00 -
[84]
Originally by: BAteh The GSC that Bruce stole from ME was not hijacked by any of those people.
So, the big shame is still... on YOU, stealing members, which is way more of a low blow than that.
You know ccp set time limits on cans in space?
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Guillame Herschel
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 18:31:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 24/06/2008 18:36:43 This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: huge success. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
Brutally Clever Empire. We do what we must because we can. For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead.
(Chorus 1) But there's no sense crying over every mistake You just keep on trying till you run out of cake And the pew-pew gets done and you shoot a neat gun At the people who are still alive.
I'm not even angry. I'm being so sincere right now. Even though you broke my heart and killed me. And tore me to pieces. And threw every piece into a fire. And as they burned it hurt because I was so happy for you.
(Chorus 2) Now these points of data make a beautiful line And we're out of Fountain, good-bye Serpentis Prime. So I'm glad I got burned think of all the things we learned For the people who are still alive.
Go ahead and leave me. I think I prefer to stay inside. Maybe you'll find someone else to help you. Pandemic Legion - That was a joke. Haha. Fat chance. Anyway, this cake is great: It's so delicious and moist.
(Chorus 3) Look at me still talking when there's pew-pew to do. When I look out there it makes me glad I'm not you. I've got missions to run and there is research to be done For the people who are still alive.
And believe me I am still alive. I'm doing pew-pew and I'm still alive. I feel fantastic and I'm still alive. While you're dying I'll be still alive. And when you're dead I will be still alive.
Still alive Still alive -- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 18:38:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 24/06/2008 18:36:43 This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: huge success. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
Brutally Clever Empire. We do what we must because we can. For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead.
(Chorus 1) But there's no sense crying over every mistake You just keep on trying till you run out of cake And the pew-pew gets done and you shoot a neat gun At the people who are still alive.
I'm not even angry. I'm being so sincere right now. Even though you broke my heart and killed me. And tore me to pieces. And threw every piece into a fire. And as they burned it hurt because I was so happy for you.
(Chorus 2) Now these points of data make a beautiful line And we're out of Fountain, good-bye Serpentis Prime. So I'm glad I got burned think of all the things we learned For the people who are still alive.
Go ahead and leave me. I think I prefer to stay inside. Maybe you'll find someone else to help you. Pandemic Legion - That was a joke. Haha. Fat chance. Anyway, this cake is great: It's so delicious and moist.
(Chorus 3) Look at me still talking when there's pew-pew to do. When I look out there it makes me glad I'm not you. I've got missions to run and there is research to be done For the people who are still alive.
And believe me I am still alive. I'm doing pew-pew and I'm still alive. I feel fantastic and I'm still alive. While you're dying I'll be still alive. And when you're dead I will be still alive.
Still alive Still alive
^^ This, good sir, is why your alliance was evicted from Fountain/Syndicate and is disbanding.
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Guillame Herschel
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 18:40:00 -
[87]
What? Because we can laugh at ourselves? OK. Guilty as charged.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 18:46:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel What? Because we can laugh at ourselves? OK. Guilty as charged.
No. It's because you spend all your time self deluding yourself into a false sense of security and superiority and when reality doses you, you need to scramble for a new home/alliance.
Laughing at you is just a side benefit.
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Guillame Herschel
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 18:50:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 24/06/2008 18:51:43 OK. Good for you. Like the song says - "I'm not even angry."
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 18:56:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 24/06/2008 18:51:43 OK. Good for you. Like the song says - "I'm not even angry."
That is good, PL and BRUCE had some good fun. Would I change it with 20/20 hindsight? No, and I would imagine neither would BRUCE.
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Guillame Herschel
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 18:58:00 -
[91]
Cool. Now go buy the Typhoon I put up for sale in the U-SOH outpost.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:02:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel Cool. Now go buy the Typhoon I put up for sale in the U-SOH outpost.
That 'demanding' attitude has shown you from being the Fountain Powerhouse to being the Syndicate Sissy. Keep it up.
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Guillame Herschel
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:07:00 -
[93]
Now, I know forums do not convey many conversational clues, but my appeal to buy my stuff I left behind was an attempt at self-deprecating humor. I would have thought that'd be clear from the context of the "Still Alive" song, but perhaps maintaining context is not a strong suit for you. Or perhaps you're bitter for some reason and don't want to see any humor in this. I dunno, just guessing. You seem determined not to have any fun with this.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Alt Troll
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:09:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Alt Troll on 24/06/2008 19:11:20
This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: huge success. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
BRUCEy alliance. We didn't want Fountain anyway. We still have our e-honour Except the ones who robbed us.
(Chorus 1) But there's no sense crying over every ship You just keep on popping till you run out of ISK And the dieing gets done and you get out and run Because we can't seem to hold fountain.
I'm not even butthurt. I'm not even ragequitting right now. Even though you broke my pos and killed me. And shot up my capsule. And said in local to die in a fire. As you podded me it hurt because My internet pride was bruised.
(Chorus 2) Now these corps in BRUCE seem to be dropping like flies And we're out of Fountain, good-bye to Serp Prime. So I'm glad we got burned think of all the things we learned For the corps who are still alive.
Go ahead and leave us. We still have more then enough Reps. Maybe you'll find someone else to help you. Pandemic Legion - That was a joke. Haha. Fat chance. Anyway, Syndicate is great: It's so much better then Fountain.
(Chorus 3) Look at me still poasting when there's ratting to do. There's no peace 'round here it's impossible to jew. And our members are gone we don't know where they have run And this alliance is still alive.
And believe me we are still alive. No activity and we're still alive. Corps have left and we're still alive. Wallet stolen and we'll be still alive. Zombie alliance is still alive.
Still alive Still alive
fixed 4 u ____________ FEED me! You know you want to -all posts made on this character represent the views of my main's corp, alliance, as well as the views of everyone else in EVE and in the universe.- |
Guillame Herschel
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:12:00 -
[95]
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:17:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 24/06/2008 19:07:38 Now, I know forums do not convey many conversational clues, but my appeal to buy my stuff I left behind was an attempt at self-deprecating humor. I would have thought that'd be clear from the context of the "Still Alive" song, but perhaps maintaining context is not a strong suit for you. Or perhaps you're bitter for some reason and don't want to see any humor in this. I dunno, just guessing. You seem determined not to have any fun, internet spaceships being serious business and all that.
You have no idea how serious we are about this internet spaceship business. As a matter of fact, we have the Terminator music piped into our TS during any fleet engagement to remind us how serious this all is. Our AAR's are full of bile, finger pointing and general screaming as to why person X lost a ship or why person Y dropped a bubble only trapping 3/4 of the enemy fleet and not all.
Your attempt at self-deprecating humor is duly noted.
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Ilany
BANK of HUZZAH FEDERATION HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:20:00 -
[97]
If we loan you a washing machine and some powder to clean your dirty laundry will you promise to move out of Syndicate?
Please? ------
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Guillame Herschel
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:26:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 24/06/2008 19:26:22
Originally by: Ilany If we loan you a washing machine and some powder to clean your dirty laundry will you promise to move out of Syndicate?
Please?
Yes, because a lone, cloaked Recon pilot wondering if any of his mates are still around is such a threat to you.... It's best if you just stay docked.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Ilany
BANK of HUZZAH FEDERATION HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.06.24 20:52:00 -
[99]
Cloaked. Docked. Yes. We were discussing this last night. We figured the first alliance to develop a cloaked station to dock in would be BRUCE. But I guess some things are not meant to be.
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Saka Mizuno
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 21:39:00 -
[100]
A cloaked station would be for the win. |
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 21:46:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Marcus Malos
You recruited a director who stole our corp wallet and took his friends over and promptly looted most the ships located at our pos's while we were down in outer ring with an alliance gang.
Your perspective is "interesting" to say the least.
Oh and how long did those people who you extracted with our corp assets stay? A week or two at most, as soon as stuff got tough they ran off over to other alliances like Pure.
I'm not going to argue over blatantly obvious half-truths that you likely don't even know the full story behind, really. Let's just say that I knew what you were planning, and I'm better at it then you are, which is why, as you stated above, your "corp" assets were missing and mine remained in place.
The people that actually weren't an embarrassment to have in the alliance somehow managed to find a way out of your ****hole of a corporation and, to be honest, it doesn't really matter a bit to me where they are now.
On the other hand, I guess I have to say well played as you managed to get what looks like 10b+ out of one of the most pathetic alliances in EVE, it's a shame you don't have the balls to admit it.
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Haley Komet
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Posted - 2008.06.24 22:24:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Eltyron Now that BRUCE is officially disbanding, I just wanted to wish BRUCE pilots the best of luck in the future.
Pick friends with a true vested interest in you and with concrete proof that they are willing to help you when it matters. Adapt to the ever changing conditions this game throws at you. Do not blindkly trust people, especially your leadership when you suspect something amiss. Don't let pride or ego cloud your judgement, sometimes its best to recognize that you are not as great as you make yourself out to be. There is no shame is realizing your own shortcomings. Numbers aren't always everything.
As a parting jibe: PL warned you/gave you better options. You can keep your shining armor all the way to high sec. *waves a fond fairwell from PNQY, 7BX and U-S while using Dyprosium/Promethium/Shadow Serp modules as toilet paper*
(Mazz's offer to buy your stuff at 50% Jita is more than fair, you won't get anything better from anyone else who takes Fountain over)
welp, the use of Kug rubbed loads of people the wrong way,calling bruce slaves, etc, etc. Seemed to be too much disrespect from your side, never giving any bruce pilots respect, but hey we obviously didn't earn it...
If people still have didn't get stuff out, well they must have been half dead. How goes fueling those poses and holding space going PL?
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 22:27:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Marcus Malos So I'm really not that bothered, as for theft, justification or spin, I've only bothered to pick apart statements that are entirely falicious.
Some interesting posts. I think Marcus has given enough info here to put disputed in my link.
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thightickler
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Posted - 2008.06.24 22:48:00 -
[104]
Originally by: xRevolveRx
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith Apparrantly some people can't read.... (right, its caod)
I and many others are aware of why bruce fell, and what was wrong, and how it MAY have been fixed in hindsight.
Marcus and Hisgoatness are minor players, and are NOT responsible for the fall of bruce.
Let me say it again.
These thefts ARE NOT why bruce fell.
Yeah we are idiots so I don't know why you even bother to poast a "name and shame" on here without pictures.
You are a fool Elrick. You come here like you are on a witch hunt and are bitter about losing fountain and the state of which bruce has dropped to. You keep forgeting about foom though and are afraid to call them out. P-L kicked your asses a couple times and then took it into overdrive when bruce was in disarray of foom jumping ship. Shortly after foom pulled out everyone else started leaving and the leadership (if any) sat there waiting to see who was gonna stay. Because other corps pulled down their towers and removed their assets doesnt make them anymore thieves than foom were for trying to steal all the top fc's and fattening their pockets and assets with alliance crap they thought they had earned.
GET OVER IT
What did happen to all the alliance faction loot that used to get contracted and/or sold? Was FOOMs to take I guess?? You know we won't hear from them either, being fried would probably speak his golden words to his golden geese...
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Haley Komet
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 22:52:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Dentari Moore
Originally by: "Various unhappy BRUCE peeps"
rabble, rabble, rabble
Shut up already. Shouldn't you be using your time to find a new alliance or somethin'? Sheesh.
AFAIK, there was no theft by Omen of BRUCE equipment. There IS a nice, expensive hunk of hardware still sitting in Z30 though. As for towers going off-line due to not being fueled by Omen... that never occured to the best of my knowledge.
But hey, we moved on. Maybe you ought to do the same, eh?
You should look into a new sig.
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Zartek Mattlov
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 23:40:00 -
[106]
People of BRUCE! The real enemy is Band of Brothers! While we waste time fighting each other, they have reconquered their territories and now stand on the verge of conquering fountain.
Your leadership knows this, yet still rejects our kind offers of peace. Why do they do this i hear you say. They do this because they are controlled by BoB, manipulated by BoB.
Pandemic Legion does not seek your destruction my brothers! We do not want to make you into pets. On the contrary, we want allies. We seek to free you from the shackles of your oppressive leadership!
Your true enemy hides in your chat channels, your forums and your ventrillo servers, they are the malingering agents of BoB working their evil machinations within your leadership.
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pershphanie
CyberDyne Industries Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.24 23:41:00 -
[107]
Edited by: pershphanie on 24/06/2008 23:41:44
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith
First: Marcus Malos, CEO of Omen incorporated. Other members of the corp may or may not have been involved or aware of this theft.
Omen inc. was responsible for maintaining a large percentage of the Bruce POS system, and they did this job fairly poorly, causing us to lose sov in several systems due to POS's running out of fuel, not anchoring defense modules in a timely fashion, and not loading ammo into guns resulting in some very embarrassing and avoidable losses (one of which happily enough was Midganth Stallsman's rorqual)
Before making their withdrawal from the alliance public and official (they had already moved the bulk of their assets out) they thieved ALL bruce POS assets in storage including multiple deathstars, all alliance fuel and all spare stocks of POS modules. Many of these items can now be found for sale in PNQY. In addition Marcus Malos was given 8-9 Billion isk to purchase fuel to be shipped in the day before this theft was noticed, neither the fuel nor the money was ever seen again.
Multiple conversations between myself and Marcus resulted in him attempting to explain this was all a mistake, but he was unwilling to offer any confirm-able proof in his defense, and promised repeatedly to deliver said fuel to our Alliance. This has never occurred.
We are fairly certain he is the individual responsible due to timestamps and access logs from holding corp alt characters who had access to these assets. We have some indication that other Omen members were aware of and potentially assisted in this theft but this can not be confirmed with in-game evidence.
Fairly certain? You better be positive before you say this much crap about someone.
Proof or it didn't happen tbh....
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n0sPIG
Pakehaz.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 23:49:00 -
[108]
This is sounding similar to, "we got ripped off, but in no way deserved it, or are in any way responsible".
Cleary the name and shame didn't work, personally I wouldn't care if I got named and shamed for ripping someone off. Its a valid aspect of the game, so thats how I'd justify it.
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Grim Mercy
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.25 00:34:00 -
[109]
F'ing. Epic. This is why I love this game.
I'm so glad I was around for this little episode in drama and failure.
If anyone does have access to numbers, I would love to see how much in assets FOOM took when they left, as well as the members of Shade (as I am convinced their move was coordinated with FOOM's).
Just remember, kiddies, that when the government tells you to "go kill that guy over there," it's honorable, justified, and glorious. When you decide to kill the guy yourself, it's murder.
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.25 00:53:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Haley Komet How goes fueling those poses and holding space going PL?
Fueling the single POS per outpost system is a horrible curse BRUCE bestowed on us. Purely on luck, none of them have gone out of fuel just yet anyway.
You see, we want these things so badly that we're all stressed out at night making sure we have 51% moon coverage in full deathstar fits and 10minute response time for the cynojammer POSes. We even moved all our assets, capitals and spare towers to these outposts so we can be sure we have resources to defend them if they get attacked. All of Pandemic Legion now base out of PNQY with jump clones in G95F and Fleet BSes at every other outpost.
You really played us there, making us fuel towers in space we didn't want and being all stressed over who's going to come on Friday to take it away from us. Bravo, dear sir, bravo.
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Carrier Eleven
EVE Posting Service
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Posted - 2008.06.25 01:23:00 -
[111]
Originally by: dr34dd Have you actually read ANYTHING in this thread except for the title and first post Kira?
There's another side to this fairytale, while it is very easy and attractive for the military command and others in a key position to blame 2 corps for the downfall of an alliance of thousands (especially if you let go of the need to post any evidence) it doesn't make it correct.
I didn't see them accuse you of the downfall of BRUCE in the OP. All I saw was them pointing out that you were a scumbag thief. From all I have read BRUCE was injured at that point. Your theft and that of Hisgoatness added to the injuries. Would BRUCE have recovered otherwise without a 50b + isk theft? Who knows now.
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Carrier Eleven
EVE Posting Service
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Posted - 2008.06.25 01:51:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Haley Komet
If people still have didn't get stuff out, well they must have been half dead. How goes fueling those poses and holding space going PL?
I was out there in Fountain ratting a few nights ago. Never saw a soul till I was heading back to Aridia to dock n log. They make good use of all that space thats for sure.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.25 02:19:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Carrier Eleven
Originally by: Haley Komet
If people still have didn't get stuff out, well they must have been half dead. How goes fueling those poses and holding space going PL?
I was out there in Fountain ratting a few nights ago. Never saw a soul till I was heading back to Aridia to dock n log. They make good use of all that space thats for sure.
We rat in Groups. Groups of Ravens and Drakes. Groups for Security. Groups for Comraderie.
We must have been like two ships passing each other in the night. A cold and lonely night. So lonely.
Hold me.
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Barra Cheveyo
Stratos Styx
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Posted - 2008.06.25 02:25:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: Marcus Malos
You recruited a director who stole our corp wallet and took his friends over and promptly looted most the ships located at our pos's while we were down in outer ring with an alliance gang.
Your perspective is "interesting" to say the least.
Oh and how long did those people who you extracted with our corp assets stay? A week or two at most, as soon as stuff got tough they ran off over to other alliances like Pure.
I'm not going to argue over blatantly obvious half-truths that you likely don't even know the full story behind, really. Let's just say that I knew what you were planning, and I'm better at it then you are, which is why, as you stated above, your "corp" assets were missing and mine remained in place.
The people that actually weren't an embarrassment to have in the alliance somehow managed to find a way out of your ****hole of a corporation and, to be honest, it doesn't really matter a bit to me where they are now.
On the other hand, I guess I have to say well played as you managed to get what looks like 10b+ out of one of the most pathetic alliances in EVE, it's a shame you don't have the balls to admit it.
Two morons now arguing over who's the bigger scumbag thief. This thread delivers.
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Carrier Eleven
EVE Posting Service
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Posted - 2008.06.25 04:58:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Eltyron
Originally by: Carrier Eleven
Originally by: Haley Komet
If people still have didn't get stuff out, well they must have been half dead. How goes fueling those poses and holding space going PL?
I was out there in Fountain ratting a few nights ago. Never saw a soul till I was heading back to Aridia to dock n log. They make good use of all that space thats for sure.
We rat in Groups. Groups of Ravens and Drakes. Groups for Security. Groups for Comraderie.
We must have been like two ships passing each other in the night. A cold and lonely night. So lonely.
Hold me.
Hold you? sorry, fresh out of tweezers!!
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xRevolveRx
Masters of Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.06.25 05:46:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 24/06/2008 19:07:38 an attempt at self-deprecating humor.
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Wusti
The New Era
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Posted - 2008.06.25 07:01:00 -
[117]
What I want to know is what possessed you to try and move to T22 of all places? There's another 10B+ down the tubes... with Strategy like that, who needs corp thieves? _______________________
Welcome to The New Era
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Haley Komet
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.25 08:43:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Shadoo
Originally by: Haley Komet How goes fueling those poses and holding space going PL?
Fueling the single POS per outpost system is a horrible curse BRUCE bestowed on us. Purely on luck, none of them have gone out of fuel just yet anyway.
You see, we want these things so badly that we're all stressed out at night making sure we have 51% moon coverage in full deathstar fits and 10minute response time for the cynojammer POSes. We even moved all our assets, capitals and spare towers to these outposts so we can be sure we have resources to defend them if they get attacked. All of Pandemic Legion now base out of PNQY with jump clones in G95F and Fleet BSes at every other outpost.
You really played us there, making us fuel towers in space we didn't want and being all stressed over who's going to come on Friday to take it away from us. Bravo, dear sir, bravo.
Point is, you PL folks always claimed you weren't a space holding alliance, and blah blah blah, but yet here you are fueling your poses, having tea with tuvan, cormac and friends, and chilling in your outposts just like any other alliance.
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lost packet
Nightmare Inc. CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.06.25 09:57:00 -
[119]
Edited by: lost packet on 25/06/2008 09:57:38
Originally by: Haley Komet
Originally by: Shadoo
Originally by: Haley Komet How goes fueling those poses and holding space going PL?
Fueling the single POS per outpost system is a horrible curse BRUCE bestowed on us. Purely on luck, none of them have gone out of fuel just yet anyway.
You see, we want these things so badly that we're all stressed out at night making sure we have 51% moon coverage in full deathstar fits and 10minute response time for the cynojammer POSes. We even moved all our assets, capitals and spare towers to these outposts so we can be sure we have resources to defend them if they get attacked. All of Pandemic Legion now base out of PNQY with jump clones in G95F and Fleet BSes at every other outpost.
You really played us there, making us fuel towers in space we didn't want and being all stressed over who's going to come on Friday to take it away from us. Bravo, dear sir, bravo.
Point is, you PL folks always claimed you weren't a space holding alliance, and blah blah blah, but yet here you are fueling your poses, having tea with tuvan, cormac and friends, and chilling in your outposts just like any other alliance.
I thought the point was to find a scapegoat for BRUCE failure? I was in Omen when they were in BRUCE and also speak with Marcus quite a lot and afaik these allegations are completely misplaced. I thought BRUCE would have had a little more about themselves than to come out with unfounded garbage and insinuations considering policies you adopted regarding pilot behaviour etc, but hey I guess it just sounded good eh?
I also know the amount of effort, dedication and time spent by Omen members in keeping the POS and jump bridge networks alive fueling them until stupid hours in the mornings, etc.
Great way to show appreciation.
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Alty McAltypants
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Posted - 2008.06.25 10:13:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Haley Komet
Originally by: Shadoo
Originally by: Haley Komet How goes fueling those poses and holding space going PL?
Fueling the single POS per outpost system is a horrible curse BRUCE bestowed on us. Purely on luck, none of them have gone out of fuel just yet anyway.
You see, we want these things so badly that we're all stressed out at night making sure we have 51% moon coverage in full deathstar fits and 10minute response time for the cynojammer POSes. We even moved all our assets, capitals and spare towers to these outposts so we can be sure we have resources to defend them if they get attacked. All of Pandemic Legion now base out of PNQY with jump clones in G95F and Fleet BSes at every other outpost.
You really played us there, making us fuel towers in space we didn't want and being all stressed over who's going to come on Friday to take it away from us. Bravo, dear sir, bravo.
Point is, you PL folks always claimed you weren't a space holding alliance, and blah blah blah, but yet here you are fueling your poses, having tea with tuvan, cormac and friends, and chilling in your outposts just like any other alliance.
Maybe you should go scan the moons PL have poses on and report back as to whether there there to hold space and float around or to grab as much isk as possible before they move on
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Sorrowed
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.06.25 10:19:00 -
[121]
Quote: AFAIK, there was no theft by Omen of BRUCE equipment. There IS a nice, expensive hunk of hardware still sitting in Z30 though. As for towers going off-line due to not being fueled by Omen... that never occured to the best of my knowledge.
ok j/0. You and marcus answer please. Where is the 12b you withdrew for POS fuel?
where is the fuel?
As for all the people spouting off about how i shouldnt post accusations on CAOD without proof. I am not a member of bruce, nor am i posting accusations about omen. I used CAOD for what it was desighned for. I requested the isk back and informed them if it wasnt returned it would be deemed an act of war. Simple as that. I can care less what you think of me or my corp. The peanut gallery known as the common CAOD community can comment all they wish but i have not asked for the general members opinions or will i heed their comments. I will say again for those who can not read. No justification is needed by anyone on this board as i know the truth. I do not care to provide said proof as your blessing means nothing to us. We ill act on what we know, not on what you think you know.
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Tital
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tital on 25/06/2008 11:33:53 Bruce ALWAYS delivers the very best threads.
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mazzilliu
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:15:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Tital Edited by: Tital on 25/06/2008 11:33:53 Bruce ALWAYS delivers the very best threads.
Edit: BTW where is Freid when you need him?
quit and run away to lowsec
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Julius Scipio
Ad Astra Vexillum Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:37:00 -
[124]
Didn't really know the Omen guys so won't comment on that.
HisGoatness being a thief I would not have predicted at all. Its all rather sad.
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.25 14:31:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith Edited by: Elrick Coldsmith on 24/06/2008 15:41:45 Secondly, if you had disagreements or a lack of faith with the bruce military leadership, then it is your prerogative to leave. Leaving is VERY different than grabbing whatever isn't bolted down on your way out.
I'm glad you at least state we had a prerogative to leave. We haven't grabbed anything that wasn't ours to begin with and you haven't proven anything otherwise either so I guess that would put us in the clear then.
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith It seems you are making some implication that "we left and stole your stuff cus the mark3 sucked
You misread me, we haven't stolen anything, we didn't even leave because the MK3 sucked (we left because bruce refused to give us assistance when they were well able to), the MK3 fiasco was just an example I gave of the military failings of bruce and in turn I state that the maker of this thread had plenty of reason to scapegoat Omen for the military failings of which the MK3 was just 1 example.
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith At no point have we said that "Its omen's fault we failed".
Indeed you haven't said it openly and I recognised that already in an earlier post, however bringing this thread up now (1.5 month after we left) and in this manner (no proof) raises questions and makes the following implication "Omen stole alot of our assets, who knows what would have happened in this fight if that didn't happen? Who knows..". That is one of the statements the superficial reader will read in your thread and that's one of the reasons you and anyone else responsible for bruce's fiasco would have to make a thread full of groundless accusations while not being able to back up a single one of them.
I'm glad you at least made an effort to turn this back with a comment on page 4, however if you really wanted to "merely warn the eve community of thieves" you hade made a really poor effort, you have nothing to ground this on except for circumstantial evidence (the API of some of the other persons that had access to the stolen goods is not evidence of Marcus stealing anything, and his refusal to supply you with his API could have had any reason from not wanting to give an outsider insight in his financial doings with alts/spies to not feeling any need whatsoever to partcipate in a wichhunt).
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith In ANY case, none of your complaints so far justifies alliance theft.
You are absolutely right, then again as stated over and over, we deny that theft and you haven't given any real evidence of it either. As a matter of fact, the only "hard and detailed evidence" you sofar have been able to give me as requested ingame was an excuse that you're still sorting out your evidence.. The only thing sofar you have supplied me with was a private chatlog of you and Marcus (in which you ask him were the fuel is and marcus said he already delivered it lol so bravo :\).
I think you're a reasonable man tbh and I don't think you would have made this thread if you didn't at least believe yourself this happened. What you might want to ask yourself is, how sure are you really about any of this? What you have given us sofar is merely circumstantial evidence and not even directly pointed against Marcus which is not only a very weak basis to accuse an eveplayer of theft in public, but it's also a very weak basis to base your personal assumptions on. It doesn't do well for your credibility and in turn I hope that if you ever are in a leading position in an alliance again I do hope you treat your members there better, as you said yourself we had a prerogative to leave, we however do not deserve this knife in the back after we left.
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.25 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: dr34dd on 25/06/2008 14:35:48
Originally by: Sorrowed As for all the people spouting off about how i shouldnt post accusations on CAOD without proof. I am not a member of bruce, nor am i posting accusations about omen.
Maybe I ought to refresh your memory:
Originally by: Sorrowed
You did not give months notice and had 3 seperate incidents where ya let POS's go offline due to lack of fueling. You had access and were tasked out with buying the fuel right as FOOM was leaving. You withdrew the isk from the holding corp and never delivered the items.
You sir are a liar and a cheat. Your Corp members, oh, and your 2 alt/feeder corps are also liable for theft by association.
Originally by: Sorrowed The peanut gallery known as the common CAOD community can comment all they wish but i have not asked for the general members opinions or will i heed their comments.
Then maybe a public forum is not the right place heh..
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Grim Mercy
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.25 16:09:00 -
[127]
Originally by: dr34dd
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith The only thing sofar you have supplied me with was a private chatlog of you and Marcus (in which you ask him were the fuel is and marcus said he already delivered it lol so bravo :\)
This is the only reference to the assumed stolen 11bil and/or fuels on behalf of Omen. Not saying you guys did or didn't do it, but it is being glossed over.
Just wanted to point that out.
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:11:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Grim Mercy This is the only reference to the assumed stolen 11bil and/or fuels on behalf of Omen. Not saying you guys did or didn't do it, but it is being glossed over.
Just wanted to point that out.
You are absolutely right, I had no part in any fuel agreement thus I can't comment on that aspect of the accusations, that's up to Marcus. The only thing I do know is that Marcus said it was delivered/paid back for (he said this both to his corp and to bruce officials in private conversation). It also wouldn't make sense for him to nick fuel money considering he had access to over a 100 battleships aswell which he could take without much problems (and leave 0 papertrail) aswell as many other Bruce items. As I haven't seen much proof in the other accusations and Marcus told me he paid back whatever he was due I personally am inclined, in these circumstances, to take his word for it, also considering the fact that he was richer than god before he even joined Bruce .
I'm pretty sure this is all a misunderstanding but it will be harder to find out now that Elrick decided to take such an agressive stance and decided to throw this all out in an open wichhunt rather than trying to find out what happened to his stuff as I doubt Marcus will be even slightly interested in helping him find out who accepted payment for what and who has been screwing him over after this.
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The Ubernomicon
Eight year old girls
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:29:00 -
[129]
Edited by: The Ubernomicon on 25/06/2008 17:30:57
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith afaik midganth is quite free at the moment, though minus a rorqual :)
I am not sure what this is supposed to mean. I am free in the sense that I live in the greatest country in the world, The United States of America.
This thread needs more blame directed at the people at fault for BRUCE's failure. Your leadership, all the CEOs, a whole batch of worthless people that could not figure out they had a horrible case of group think. And to top it off the BRUCE diplos were horrible.
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Maitsu
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:33:00 -
[130]
gimme back MY SPACEBUCKS!!!!!!!!!!
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Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:06:00 -
[131]
dr34d, I am not sure what more you are looking for.
EVERY bruce holding corp alt that had access to the fuel stocks and POS stocks and had logged in during the hours that the theft was narrowed down to had provided API keys and supporting evidence to show that they did NOT take the fuel and POS assets. (Its not like ALOT of alts logged in during a less than 24 hour period here, its pretty easy to track)
Except Marcus.
Thus it becomes reasonable to surmise that Marcus was responsible for the theft. Furthermore the 11 billion to purchase fuel issue kinda doesn't help his case. Nor does having a LOT of pos modules, closely matching those that went missing from our stocks for sale in fountain under his Main after Bruce had evac'd. Omen's quick and surprise withdrawal soon after the theft doesn't help either, nor does his constant contradictory statements in private convo's as I was the fellow actually giving him the benefit of the doubt and working with him to provide evidence in his defense, which he was completely and totally unable and unwilling to do. I probably had a good 3-4 20 minute convo's with him on this matter trying to get information from him that would substantiate his claim that he didn't thieve our stuff, as we obviously have a strong interest in finding the REAL culprit if it wasn't marcus.
He does "claim" to have returned the fuel directly to our executor. However our executor swears he never got it, and has provided his full API key to Bruce directors to verify this.
Since you are so eager to say we are lying without proof, where is Marcus' proof that he actually contracted up the fuel or returned the isk?
I would be as eager to see it as anyone, as if he is being truthful than I am genuinely interested in finding the real theif. Somehow though I think I will be dissapointed. As best as can be determined through in-game methods. Marcus is our theif.
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xRevolveRx
Masters of Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:13:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith dr34d, I am not sure what more you are looking for.
EVERY bruce holding corp alt that had access to the fuel stocks and POS stocks and had logged in during the hours that the theft was narrowed down to had provided API keys and supporting evidence to show that they did NOT take the fuel and POS assets. (Its not like ALOT of alts logged in during a less than 24 hour period here, its pretty easy to track)
Except Marcus.
Thus it becomes reasonable to surmise that Marcus was responsible for the theft. Furthermore the 11 billion to purchase fuel issue kinda doesn't help his case. Nor does having a LOT of pos modules, closely matching those that went missing from our stocks for sale in fountain under his Main after Bruce had evac'd. Omen's quick and surprise withdrawal soon after the theft doesn't help either, nor does his constant contradictory statements in private convo's as I was the fellow actually giving him the benefit of the doubt and working with him to provide evidence in his defense, which he was completely and totally unable and unwilling to do. I probably had a good 3-4 20 minute convo's with him on this matter trying to get information from him that would substantiate his claim that he didn't thieve our stuff, as we obviously have a strong interest in finding the REAL culprit if it wasn't marcus.
He does "claim" to have returned the fuel directly to our executor. However our executor swears he never got it, and has provided his full API key to Bruce directors to verify this.
Since you are so eager to say we are lying without proof, where is Marcus' proof that he actually contracted up the fuel or returned the isk?
I would be as eager to see it as anyone, as if he is being truthful than I am genuinely interested in finding the real theif. Somehow though I think I will be dissapointed. As best as can be determined through in-game methods. Marcus is our theif.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.25 21:26:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Haley Komet
Point is, you PL folks always claimed you weren't a space holding alliance, and blah blah blah, but yet here you are fueling your poses, having tea with tuvan, cormac and friends, and chilling in your outposts just like any other alliance.
No, you can't get your stuff out of your former outposts. Stop asking.
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Weazy Dax
Greed Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.25 22:01:00 -
[134]
I was in Bruce for about 6 months, and I blame tgrads for its failure. Yep, tgrads. Not only did they recruit every belt-humping newb from empire to come shoot expensive rats, they also were inexcusably poor at pvp and smelled funny. Also, they were the joke of all the other bruce corps. I dont blame fried for wanting to run away from an alliance that contained this terrible excuse for a corporation one bit.
Also, who the hell is Elrick Coldsmith? Never heard the name while I was in the alliance, and now hes the major fleet commander? Is he leading the tgrad campaign against the serpentis rats in syndicate?
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.25 22:36:00 -
[135]
You put too much faith in API accounting, there are ways around it. The reason Marcus doesn't want to give anyone full API access needs no defending. I could nick Bruce their entire networth except for wallets and give you my API key without you finding a damned thing and I'd probably still wouldn't want to give anyone full access to my financial data for security reasons.
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Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.25 22:39:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Elrick Coldsmith on 25/06/2008 22:44:37 Edited by: Elrick Coldsmith on 25/06/2008 22:42:30 Heh, weazy dax, the fellow always getting in trouble for breaking other peoples chains, and whos only killboard activity is 8 losses, mostly ratting ships or industrials :)
Can we please keep on topic, yes bruce recruitment policies were awful. Once again that has little to do with corp theft.
As for who I am and how I ended up in charge, when enough of the chain of command departs, the underlings often find themselves next in line and must do what they can with what is at their disposal.
dr3d's defense of marcus from a private convo seems to be " Hes's really rich so he doesn't need to steal" Hmm... circular logic perhaps? Where did all the money come from I wonder.
When asked why no API key was provided when asked to verify his story, this is the defense, quoted:
"I can only guess why marcus isn't interested in playing that game with you, one reason could be that there's stuff in his journal that he doesn't want publicised (which isn't that strange considering he has alts in several large alliances in the game that few know about)."
And considering bruce doesn't permit out of alliance alts (aside from known alt-corps) in its leadership must speak volumes to marcus's honesty and integrity.
yes, info in API keys can be manipulated, screenshots can be photoshopped, chat logs can be faked. Its a damned game, we aren't working by real world legal court standards here. The missing modules and ships being sold by marcus and hisgoatness DIRECTLY in fountain is pretty clear and isn't really fakeable. And the 11 billion in fuel is quite verifiable, as is the fact that we never received it.
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xRevolveRx
Masters of Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.06.25 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith Edited by: Elrick Coldsmith on 25/06/2008 22:42:30 Heh, weazy dax, the fellow always getting in trouble for breaking other peoples chains, and whos only killboard activity is 8 losses, mostly ratting ships or industrials :)
Can we please keep on topic, yes bruce recruitment policies were awful. Once again that has little to do with corp theft.
As for who I am and how I ended up in charge, when enough of the chain of command departs, the underlings often find themselves next in line and must do what they can with what is at their disposal.
dr3d's defense of marcus from a private convo seems to be " Hes's really rich so he doesn't need to steal" Hmm... circular logic perhaps? Where did all the money come from I wonder.
When asked why no API key was provided when asked to verify his story, this is the defense, quoted:
"I can only guess why marcus isn't interested in playing that game with you, one reason could be that there's stuff in his journal that he doesn't want publicised (which isn't that strange considering he has alts in several large alliances in the game that few know about)."
And considering bruce doesn't permit out of alliance alts (aside from known alt-corps) in its leadership must speak volumes to marcus's honesty and integrity.
Since you cannot get over it, how about you convo some of these people ingame and have it out at a planet or something. Only person getting shamed here is you and your alliance. |
dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.25 22:48:00 -
[138]
Sorry that was a typo, I meant to say he might have friends/connections in several other alliances in the game (not even lying here btw, that actually was a typo :\) and that could be one of the reasons he doesn't want his API spread around. Apart from that it's quoted out of context and I'm quite sure I put up more of a defense than that ;-), I'm quite certain I mentioned that he's trusted with alot more than bruce's fuel funds and he felt no need to nick any of that either, including bruce's supply of battleships and the such. I asked you why would he want to steal something that leaves a huge papertrail while leaving 10 bil worth of battleships and a couple hundred of trimark rigs alone :\.
Nice going to publicize our private conversations by the way, I'm sure that kind of attitude gets you all the help you need in your investigation
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Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.25 22:52:00 -
[139]
If you acknowledge theres a huge papertrail, why do you not believe us when we point at the huge papertrail and say, hmm it leads to marcus.
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.25 22:58:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith
yes, info in API keys can be manipulated, screenshots can be photoshopped, chat logs can be faked. Its a damned game, we aren't working by real world legal court standards here. The missing modules and ships being sold by marcus and hisgoatness DIRECTLY in fountain is pretty clear and isn't really fakeable. And the 11 billion in fuel is quite verifiable, as is the fact that we never received it.
To respond to your edit, it's obvious you aren't working by real world legal court standards or you'd get sued for slander :p.
Thing is, you make very hard accusations and the thing it's based upon mostly on (claimed) API verification of others, think about it. If someone nicked your stuff, they would be very eager to supply you with 'evidence' that they haven't done it - as you said: API can be manipulated, screenshots can be photoshopped and chat logs can be faked, and I reckon anyone who just nicked for billions worth of stuff wouldn't have much problems doing all of the above. The fact that some of us like Marcus are protective of their API data doesn't mean a damned thing, especially not as I could easily help him to make it impossible for you to find anything that could even be related to the theft if he actually had compromising data in his journal (which I do not believe he has).
Everyone in fountain is selling stuff, I even have a couple of sellorders there myself - Omen had over 40 personal posses up and running while we were members of bruce and not everything could be shipped out so easily, that doesn't make him a thief either. And you can say alot of Marcus about his past in other games but he's never been stupid and first nicking for billions worth of stuff from an alliance and then selling it off a month later is not the smartest thing in the world..
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:02:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith If you acknowledge theres a huge papertrail, why do you not believe us when we point at the huge papertrail and say, hmm it leads to marcus.
I'm not saying the papertrail is reliable in any way, it can be messed with, I'm saying he wouldn't have to resort to anything that could even be pointed his way if he wanted to nick 10 bil worth of stuff from Bruce.
Besides like you said there were several corps who accessed the items that are stolen in the timeframe you mentioned, the papertrail didn't point his way at all, it pointed to several different corps who had no problems supplying a (very well possibly compromised) API, the fact that Marcus doesn't want his API out in the open (and we've just seen how careful you are with private conversations) doesn't mean he's guilty of anything.
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xRevolveRx
Masters of Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:04:00 -
[142]
Elrick, if you're going to convo/mail every person on caod that says something you don't like then you should just give up now. Its really pathetic. Also for BRUCE, its too bad that caod ban is not in effect anymore and I'm sorry for you that Elrick is making BRUCE look like a bunch of crybabies.
Actually I'm not. Keep up the good work Elrick. BTW do you keep alt tabbing to forum ***** while your leading fleets or are there no more fleets running? |
Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:10:00 -
[143]
it was 11 billion in wallet isk meant for fuel.
It was also 1-2 months worth of alliance fuel, PLUS all of our POS's and pos modules.
A bit more than 10 billion I'd say.
I won't give an exact figure but it wasn't a small theft.
I ask you again dr34, where is the fuel he "contracted" to serena, and where did he get SO many pos modules matching the stolen ones to put up on market in pnqy?
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:18:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith
I ask you again dr34, where is the fuel he "contracted" to serena,
I don't recall you having asked me that before but if you have I'll repeat my stance on that part of the accusations anyway:
I had no part in any fuel agreement thus I can't comment on that aspect of the accusations, that's up to Marcus. ... I'm pretty sure this is all a misunderstanding but it will be harder to find out now that Elrick decided to take such an agressive stance and decided to throw this all out in an open wichhunt rather than trying to find out what happened to his stuff as I doubt Marcus will be even slightly interested in helping him find out who accepted payment for what and who has been screwing him over after this.
Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith and where did he get SO many pos modules matching the stolen ones to put up on market in pnqy?
My wildest guess would be jita, that's usually were people go to buy stuff right? When you own 40 posses and you put a bunch of them on the market I'm sure alot of the mods would match if somewere else a load of posses get stolen as it's not that unusual for POSses to employ the same type of modules. I don't know alot about posses though so correct me if I'm wrong..
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Gragnor
Ordos Humanitas Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:20:00 -
[145]
Originally by: xRevolveRx Elrick, if you're going to convo/mail every person on caod that says something you don't like then you should just give up now. Its really pathetic. Also for BRUCE, its too bad that caod ban is not in effect anymore and I'm sorry for you that Elrick is making BRUCE look like a bunch of crybabies.
Actually I'm not. Keep up the good work Elrick. BTW do you keep alt tabbing to forum ***** while your leading fleets or are there no more fleets running?
I am in fact enjoying this thread. Omen's credibility is dead and Marcus's reputation (if he had any) is being rightfully traduced. His corpmates also know what he is like.
The evidence is quite strong and the response totally inadequate. All in all, I am more then comfortable in seeing Omen being made accountable for its actions. Why let it drop when we are now having so much fun.
As for why Bruce fell, some of your comments are accurate, most of them are not. For mine; I knew precisely when we were done and it was before FOOM or Freidrich left.
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Grim Mercy
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:44:00 -
[146]
The POSes that Omen took down, the 30-40 number, are those the same POSes that are being called "stolen"? Is their ownership in dispute, or are we talking 30-40 other POSes?
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Elrick Coldsmith
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:10:00 -
[147]
No, bruce maintained a strategic reserve of POS's, modules and fuel including pre-fab deathstars and a large supply of small gallente spam towers for various purposes. The pos's were stored in an alliance hangar accessible only to holding corp alts of corp CEO's and coordinator positions and the like.
These are totally separate from any corp POS's omen or other corps owned and maintained.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:33:00 -
[148]
This thread is getting stale
I will attempt to liven it up with some questions:
BRUCE, what about the 100+ billion in moon minerals Mostly Harmless and Morsus Mihi 'stole' from your claimed Sovereign space the 6 or so months from when your alliance "took" Fountain?
Or were you their slaves/pets?
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:43:00 -
[149]
Edited by: dr34dd on 26/06/2008 00:45:39 Edited by: dr34dd on 26/06/2008 00:44:12
Originally by: Gragnor
I am in fact enjoying this thread. Omen's credibility is dead and Marcus's reputation (if he had any) is being rightfully traduced. His corpmates also know what he is like.
The evidence is quite strong and the response totally inadequate. All in all, I am more then comfortable in seeing Omen being made accountable for its actions. Why let it drop when we are now having so much fun.
As for why Bruce fell, some of your comments are accurate, most of them are not. For mine; I knew precisely when we were done and it was before FOOM or Freidrich left.
If you actually read past page 1 in this thread you seem to be enjoying so much you'd know marcus "his corpmates" actually back him up against these false accusations. Aside from Marcus his membership the name of Omen is already 100% in the clear as stated by Elrick aswell.
Elrick and I actually just came to the conclusion that any API evidence he has against Marcus can easily be falsified so we're down from "hard evidence" to "we got nothing on them yet but they are selling pos mods comparable to the ones we had in stock so they must of nicked them", leaving aside the disputed fuel/isk theft of 11 bill on which I myself have little information.
Now go read the other 4 pages if you like this so much :).
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xRevolveRx
Masters of Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:55:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Eltyron This thread is getting stale
I will attempt to liven it up with some questions:
BRUCE, what about the 100+ billion in moon minerals Mostly Harmless and Morsus Mihi 'stole' from your claimed Sovereign space the 6 or so months from when your alliance "took" Fountain?
Or were you their slaves/pets?
That livens things up for sure. I guess though that the only people who could truly answer that were the first ones who jumped ship.
On another subject though.. I think as far as the pos's are concerned, it was leaked from FOOM's private discussions that FOOM members were taking all the alliance pos's "except" two deathstars if I'm not mistaken. Something about how they earned them.
Is FOOM still living it up with factional warfare? |
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: xRevolveRx Is FOOM still living it up with factional warfare?
Mr. Psitalon is now a Defender Lieutenant. I think a few more kills and he can claim leadership of the Gallente Militia.
Watch out.
(And by watch out, I mean 'Watch out other Gallente Militia members, he's going to rob you blind then abbandon you')
This is all speculation of course and has nothing to do with his prior track record of leading other people in an official capacity.
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mazzilliu
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:13:00 -
[152]
Edited by: mazzilliu on 26/06/2008 01:14:05 Edited by: mazzilliu on 26/06/2008 01:13:49 you're incorrect, fried and FOOM were actually very generous to BRUCE with ISK upon their departure, they practically emptied a lot of corp assets to hand over to alliance. cherrypicking leadership, on the other hand....
as for stating who stole what from BRUCE... When I heard about the thefts I contacted omen in the hopes of purchasing cheap items, but the person from omen told me in no uncertain words that he wasn't in a hurry to offload the goods cheap for quick ISK.
any alliance that accepts omen into their ranks are fools .
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Grim Mercy
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:52:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Eltyron
Originally by: xRevolveRx Is FOOM still living it up with factional warfare?
Mr. Psitalon is now a Defender Lieutenant. I think a few more kills and he can claim leadership of the Gallente Militia.
Watch out.
(And by watch out, I mean 'Watch out other Gallente Militia members, he's going to rob you blind then abbandon you')
This is all speculation of course and has nothing to do with his prior track record of leading other people in an official capacity.
I've heard the Gallente aren't doing so hot... coincidence?
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:06:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 26/06/2008 02:10:20 FOOM has been averaging a 90% efficiency in FacWar. We also have three people on the verge of Luminaire Generals. The Gallente militia, last I checked, was tops in kills by a long margin and roughly equal with the Caldari in victory points. FOOM has earned 700 kills since the start of FacWar with about 60 active combat pilots. In short, we're having the time of our lives - never had more fun, genuinely. :)
FOOM gave out a staggering amount of our assets to support BRUCE in our departure, and exactly two non-FOOM leaders left with FOOM. We took all our leaders with us, and I don't think anyone could (sanely) begrudge us that. If our leaders leaving was so devastating, perhaps it would have been more useful for the rest of the alliance to step up when the repeated, vigorous calls for assistance in leadership were made. Calls which, ironically, PL's forum access could probably back up. We took nothing - nothing, except huge losses in trying to keep BRUCE afloat on our way out the door; a move which I would argue is unusually classy in the realm of EVE.
I have no doubt people will continue to scapegoat FOOM, as though after two years and three wars prior to the most recent one, counted for nothing, as though our efforts up to that point meant no spine, no real staying power, no real character. The older corps don't sing that song because they remember BRUCE pre-Fountain, and know we've done plenty to prove ourselves as leaders. BRUCE existed in low-sec and Syndicate both, and we lead just fine there, thanks. If it makes you feel better to blame us though, have a great time. I can't wait to see what you guys say when you discover what the new Executor was up to, especially since I was the one who exposed it. The drama will be absolutely delicious, I'm sure. I bet it'll even get thrown back on me, too, since it's fun to dump the blame. ;)
FOOM's never had so much fun as we're having now greasing the Caldari rabble-militia. You have fun with what you're doing, and we'll have fun with ours. At this point, FOOM has paid all its debts to BRUCE and more - we owe them or anyone else nothing. Exposing the new executor's massive financial scamming we've thrown in free of charge.
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Grim Mercy
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:24:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 26/06/2008 02:10:20 FOOM has been averaging a 90% efficiency in FacWar. We also have three people on the verge of Luminaire Generals. The Gallente militia, last I checked, was tops in kills by a long margin and roughly equal with the Caldari in victory points. FOOM has earned 700 kills since the start of FacWar with about 60 active combat pilots. In short, we're having the time of our lives - never had more fun, genuinely. :)
FOOM gave out a staggering amount of our assets to support BRUCE in our departure, and exactly two non-FOOM leaders left with FOOM. We took all our leaders with us, and I don't think anyone could (sanely) begrudge us that. If our leaders leaving was so devastating, perhaps it would have been more useful for the rest of the alliance to step up when the repeated, vigorous calls for assistance in leadership were made. Calls which, ironically, PL's forum access could probably back up. We took nothing - nothing, except huge losses in trying to keep BRUCE afloat on our way out the door; a move which I would argue is unusually classy in the realm of EVE.
I have no doubt people will continue to scapegoat FOOM, as though after two years and three wars prior to the most recent one, counted for nothing, as though our efforts up to that point meant no spine, no real staying power, no real character. The older corps don't sing that song because they remember BRUCE pre-Fountain, and know we've done plenty to prove ourselves as leaders. BRUCE existed in low-sec and Syndicate both, and we lead just fine there, thanks. If it makes you feel better to blame us though, have a great time. I can't wait to see what you guys say when you discover what the new Executor was up to, especially since I was the one who exposed it. The drama will be absolutely delicious, I'm sure. I bet it'll even get thrown back on me, too, since it's fun to dump the blame. ;)
FOOM's never had so much fun as we're having now greasing the Caldari rabble-militia. You have fun with what you're doing, and we'll have fun with ours. At this point, FOOM has paid all its debts to BRUCE and more - we owe them or anyone else nothing. Exposing the new executor's massive financial scamming we've thrown in free of charge.
And away they go....
/FLAME ON
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:31:00 -
[156]
*Holds microphone up*
Mr. Psitalon, Mr. Psitalon... Would you care to comment on the allegations involving BRUCE rep's 'tying' your hands from Executive action for the betterment of your former Alliance: BRUCE?
It has come to this reporter's attention that these rep's claim there was no such thing and you were free to do whatever you wished to do, thus confirming your suspicions that there is indeed a miasma concerning the blame put upon you causing the downfall of BRUCE by your inactions.
Yours Truly,
A Whelp that doesn't know his place.
(Sorry, when you called that one guy a Whelp, I spit red bull all over my keyboard, so I had to include it somewhere)
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:34:00 -
[157]
BRUCE is dead. I have no interest in discussing a corpse. The name, however, will at least not be allowed to dance like a marionette.
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pandymen
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.26 03:59:00 -
[158]
Edited by: pandymen on 26/06/2008 03:59:33 Elrick,
As a former bruce, I can say that no one cares. Please stop blowing hot air all over the place. Regardless of whether it is true or not, it doesn't really matter at this point.
For now, go learn how to fit up ships properly and not repeatedly ask for mk3 fits for a fleet when you intend on using it as a sniper fleet.
Edit: And that "pod express" to syndicate fleet was probably the worst implemented idea since the rise of the mk3 fit.
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Tor Manx
4 wing
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:46:00 -
[159]
I didn't always meet Fried eye to eye on things, however I don't believe he or Foom stole anything from Bruce, and even contributed a great deal to ensuring it had a possibility of continuing. Timing of their departure wasn't great, but that isn't completely their fault.
While I wasn't a rep, I was a CEO of a Bruce corp. As such, I'd like to apologize to all the players of the alliance who worked very hard in trying to make things work. While I think we all knew there were some serious flaws in how we were structured, I honestly didn't see all the corruption that was on it's way to put the final nails in the coffin.
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.26 06:03:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon I can't wait to see what you guys say when you discover what the new Executor was up to, especially since I was the one who exposed it. The drama will be absolutely delicious, I'm sure. I bet it'll even get thrown back on me, too, since it's fun to dump the blame. ;)
Care to elaborate a little bit there?
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Cyberjunk
EnTech
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Posted - 2008.06.26 09:37:00 -
[161]
Edited by: Cyberjunk on 26/06/2008 09:37:49
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon If it makes you feel better to blame us though, have a great time. I can't wait to see what you guys say when you discover what the new Executor was up to, especially since I was the one who exposed it. The drama will be absolutely delicious, I'm sure. I bet it'll even get thrown back on me, too, since it's fun to dump the blame.
A come on Fried, can't you give the CAOD folks at least a good teaser from what's about to come?
As for the whole BRUCE debacle: Nobody is really accusing FOOM of being directly responsible for the downfall of BRUCE. The **** that went down in fountain was more a combo of bad leadership, bad diplomacy, poor choices of alies (the western league pretty fell apart after Ev0ke and UNNAT took over cloud ring and bruce northern allies were still busy dealing with the aftermath of the Insurgency/TRIUMVIRATE campign) count this in with the pvp core players leaving (and i'm talking here about the guys that would be in the top 10 of most kills every week on the killboard), add some random theft by Omen and you have the perfect scenario for a failure cascade.
Even so I think the real problem all along was the membership. After BRUCE took fountain the alliance suddenly became the new cool kid on the block resulting in alot of people wanting to join in. Unfortunately as BRUCE grew bigger so did the voices who had different opinions on how the alliance should be runned.
Funny thing is I warned that rejecting PL's last peace offer mend that Serena Hennessy (interim executor at the time) had signed the death of the alliance.
As for the whole corp theft thing, i'm still having a hard time to believe that hisgoatnes would have scammed the alliance of a all it's reimbursement battleships. I flew a few time under goats command and he never seemed to me as a person who would do such a crime. |
Crazyeye
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Posted - 2008.06.26 10:54:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Cyberjunk on 26/06/2008 09:37:49
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon If it makes you feel better to blame us though, have a great time. I can't wait to see what you guys say when you discover what the new Executor was up to, especially since I was the one who exposed it. The drama will be absolutely delicious, I'm sure. I bet it'll even get thrown back on me, too, since it's fun to dump the blame.
Uh-oh, is this a reference to Koshaku (sp?)
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hammyhamm
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:09:00 -
[163]
I don't think it's truely stealing if the alliance in question is dying.
Its more like "stealing all the staplers" when your work goes bankrupt or something. That kinda thing.
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Xtown
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:14:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Eltyron This thread is getting stale
I will attempt to liven it up with some questions:
BRUCE, what about the 100+ billion in moon minerals Mostly Harmless and Morsus Mihi 'stole' from your claimed Sovereign space the 6 or so months from when your alliance "took" Fountain?
Or were you their slaves/pets?
Ex-Bruce here.
I don't know about the towers in NPC space but I do know that after we "took" fountain SMASH though they'd try it on by putting up towers on high value moons. After some brief talks SMASH rudely refused to take them down and they were blown up.
I know this is beside the point you are making but interesting none the less.
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lost packet
Nightmare Inc. CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:17:00 -
[165]
Originally by: hammyhamm I don't think it's truely stealing if the alliance in question is dying.
Its more like "stealing all the staplers" when your work goes bankrupt or something. That kinda thing.
Company wasn't sure who took all the staplers. Company picks random employee.
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Jagadeishan
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:27:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 26/06/2008 02:39:42 BRUCE is dead. I have no interest in discussing a corpse. Unlike many of my esteemed former colleagues, I have no interest in a blame-game as to how we got where we did. I learned a lot, and I'm sure others did, too. Mistakes were made at many levels. For the most part, I enjoyed the heck out of it and I have few regrets. The BRUCE name, however, will at least not be allowed to dance like a marionette.
Whelp.
When MC died, Seleene came forward to announce it on CAOD http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=764710 When Tri died, Darkness came forward to announce it on CAOD http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=770044 When Bruce died, this quotation is the best you can get on the bottom of 5th page.
Whelp indeed.
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dawood koplanski
Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 14:14:00 -
[167]
Originally by: xRevolveRx Elrick, if you're going to convo/mail every person on caod that says something you don't like then you should just give up now. Its really pathetic. Also for BRUCE, its too bad that caod ban is not in effect anymore and I'm sorry for you that Elrick is making BRUCE look like a bunch of crybabies.
Actually I'm not. Keep up the good work Elrick. BTW do you keep alt tabbing to forum ***** while your leading fleets or are there no more fleets running?
He sent me a hate mail as well. Theres the public side of bruce and the behind the scenes side. Anything nasty they seem to do out of the public eye so they dont tarnish their image. Also his assumtions in his mail(that im an alt/carebear) are all way off the mark and if thats the standard of his "investigative techniques" then you really have to question his accusations.
Writing a long post on the forums does not costitute proof. Next time your upset with what I say why not use your legendary investigative talents and use a L-O-C-A-T-O-R agent and hunt me down. After all an alt/carebear like myself with only one kill to my name will be easy meat for a mighty bruce FC like yourself.
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 14:25:00 -
[168]
Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 26/06/2008 14:25:43
Originally by: Jagadeishan
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 26/06/2008 02:39:42 BRUCE is dead. I have no interest in discussing a corpse. Unlike many of my esteemed former colleagues, I have no interest in a blame-game as to how we got where we did. I learned a lot, and I'm sure others did, too. Mistakes were made at many levels. For the most part, I enjoyed the heck out of it and I have few regrets. The BRUCE name, however, will at least not be allowed to dance like a marionette.
Whelp.
When MC died, Seleene came forward to announce it on CAOD http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=764710 When Tri died, Darkness came forward to announce it on CAOD http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=770044 When Bruce died, this quotation is the best you can get on the bottom of 5th page.
Whelp indeed.
I'm not in charge of BRUCE anymore and it's not my business to make that announcement. Given that it's already been made to the membership, I'm a little surprised it hasn't been made here, but eh - everything BRUCE says internally is well-known in 3 hours or less anyhow, right? (The whelp thing was a joke for the guy who loved the word btw. )
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 14:28:00 -
[169]
Although I have no information about the first allegation in the original post, the second allegation, that hisgoatness personally stole the Bruce alliance battleships is essentially accurate. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Myn
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Abe Achura
Isonami Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.26 15:49:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Abe Achura on 26/06/2008 15:50:57
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon I can't wait to see what you guys say when you discover what the new Executor was up to, especially since I was the one who exposed it. The drama will be absolutely delicious, I'm sure.
I'm not sure I believe this.
Mostly because I'm not sure how Serena could have stolen anything since he was practically never online since taking over the leadership.
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Grim Mercy
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.26 17:30:00 -
[171]
How much of the Alliance leadership was in FOOM, and how seamlessly was the hand-over of administrative powers handled?
How much notice did FOOM (and Shade, yeah I'm lumping them in here too) give before moving out? How long before that notice was given did the actual planning/moving process commence?
Face it, that alliance died the day we dramatically and utterly failed in bringing down that PL POS. I'm convinced (with no proof, just good reasoning skills) that FOOM/Shade.s plans were laid that day, or at least the talk of quitting the alliance.
My main grudge is how the highly-centralized leadership, who in essence was responsible for the rest of the alliance (I realize this is a video-game, so responsible is probably the wrong word here) seemingly all bailed, at once, and left the rest to rot. Woe to my ISP dying a week before FOOM bolted, or else I could have run away then too.
I contacted both FOOM and Shade. about recruitment, seeing as how they were really the alliance anyway (the most active PVPers, FCs, and almost all of the leadership). I was not elite enough for Lt Jester's group, as I was not on enough killmails for his tastes... doesn't matter that I spent a LOT of time in a covops scouting for fleet actions in fountain, instead of killmail whoring. I also wrote an eve-mail to Fried, which went completely ignored.
The simple fact, to the rest of us 'grunts', is that you abandoned us, without much warning. You seem to be framing it as "Foom went to do something else, and the alliance failed. Maybe everyone else should have done more, we were burnt out." To me, what really happened was "This isn't working out like we had hoped, lets get the **** out of here." Now BRUCE is dead, and it's whoever's fault for not stepping up earlier.
Do you still have the eve-mails from me expressing my interest in FC training? I got one response back from you, telling me to contact you after the Alliance Tournament, which I did. Nothing else from you, though.
The plebs were never that important to you. We were a means to an end. And when you bailed (which is exactly what you did), you also schucked off all responsibility for your actions as executor for the prior 6 months at the same time. People not helping out? You wanted numbers, and you got them. Oops.
BRUCE in Syndicate was great. I had a ton of fun there. BRUCE in Fountain was alright, until we were challenged, and the centralized leadership decided they didn't want to hang anymore. So much for the rest of us.
I'm glad you're having fun, doing whatever you're doing, but don't act all smug like you had nothing to do with the alliance dying. It was your baby from the start, you made some mistakes, and then ran for the hills.
I'm almost ashamed at how blindly I followed the "ideal" that you tried to preach. And Rajere, don't take that as a queue for anything... I still think you're an ID ten-tee.
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Rajere
No Trademark The OSS
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Posted - 2008.06.26 17:49:00 -
[172]
wee I have another stalker. Here's a hint, if you don't want me in a thread, don't drop my name repeatedly. For the record (again), 90% efficiency when you exclusively nano-fag against caldari nubs is a joke. Come back when you have 90% efficiency flying real ships. NOTR |
Orree
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.26 18:12:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Orree on 26/06/2008 18:16:04
Originally by: Eltyron This thread is getting stale
I will attempt to liven it up with some questions:
BRUCE, what about the 100+ billion in moon minerals Mostly Harmless and Morsus Mihi 'stole' from your claimed Sovereign space the 6 or so months from when your alliance "took" Fountain?
Or were you their slaves/pets?
From RAWR's perspective, for any of that to have been "stolen," it would have had to have belonged to BRUCE in the first place. It never did.
That said, RAWR was in the process of passing over all moons (and the one station) we held in Fountain and negotiations were in process for the disposition of the last couple of moons (we never held that many in the first place, certainly not as many as others)RAWR had towers on.
Your characterization of "stolen" moon minerals is therefore inaccurate.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Arkanjuca
R.U.S.T.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 18:28:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Grim Mercy I'm almost ashamed at how blindly I followed the "ideal" that you tried to preach.
lawl, get that as a lesson, when an organization is established around ONE person, and THAT person get glorified all the time, and having a different opinion makes you less liked in the organization... thats a cult.
And sooner or later you regret. -- AF should be like HACs
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.26 19:18:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Orree
From RAWR's perspective, for any of that to have been "stolen," it would have had to have belonged to BRUCE in the first place. It never did.
Thank you for stepping up and claiming BRUCE as your pets, when they are clearly in denial about being so. Having non BRUCE Moon Mining POS's in BRUCE sovereign space was quite the topic of conversation and source of bitterness, being that BRUCE was adamant that PL having such would deem BRUCE as PL pets. I, for one, am very happy that BRUCE decided to stick with its absentee landlords rather than work something out, with people who were there killing and being killed by them.
Originally by: Orree
That said, RAWR was in the process of passing over all moons (and the one station) we held in Fountain and negotiations were in process for the disposition of the last couple of moons (we never held that many in the first place, certainly not as many as others)RAWR had towers on.
Your characterization of "stolen" moon minerals is therefore inaccurate.
Your 'process' of turning over the moons dragged on for months and months according to BRUCE rep's. Were you obligated to do so? Of course not, MM did, after all, do the majority of the work in taking Fountain. It just seems ironic that that BRUCE continues to delude themselves into thinking they deserved everything that was, for all intensive purposes, given to them on a silver platter.
Like many BRUCIES have said, mistakes were made, it's being man enough to acknowledging and learn from those mistakes that will be the most benefit to you.
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dr34dd
Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.26 19:22:00 -
[176]
Edited by: dr34dd on 26/06/2008 19:25:52 Edited by: dr34dd on 26/06/2008 19:23:58 Ofc trying to avoid too much speculation here but considering Friedrick's accusations on serena and the fact she refused to check the audit logs of the cans the fuel was put in on the day it went missing I guess we can now start answering your question of what happened to your 11bil in fuel if Marcus didn't nick it ;-).
Best case scenario atm Elrick got played and only made a fool out of himself on here while causing some bad blood with the people he falsely accused, worst case scenario he's associated with this - great leadership either way mate, keep it up. This is exactly the reason why you want to have solid proof before you start making accusations, I'm looking forward to Friedrick's stance on this.
As it's starting to look less and less likely Marcus actually had anything to do with this the alternative is that you're either a tool or a thief, I'm pegging you as a tool myself personally but that's up for everyone to form their own opinion on the matter.
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TroNaaR
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.26 19:27:00 -
[177]
ITT:
He said she said... This whole issue is moot. Stuff is gone, theives suck, move on and recover. GL!
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Cat Molina
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.06.26 19:28:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Rajere Here's a hint, if you don't want me in a thread, don't drop my name repeatedly.
Rumor has it that if you stand in front of your bathroom mirror and say Rajere's name three times in a row he'll appear as if by magic and gank you.
True story... my cousin's best friend's girlfriend said so. |
TroNaaR
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.26 19:47:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Cat Molina
Originally by: Rajere Here's a hint, if you don't want me in a thread, don't drop my name repeatedly.
Rumor has it that if you stand in front of your bathroom mirror and say Rajere's name three times in a row he'll appear as if by magic and gank you.
True story... my cousin's best friend's girlfriend said so.
Thats not funny...
My cousin died that way...
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Rajere
No Trademark The OSS
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Posted - 2008.06.26 19:56:00 -
[180]
biggie smalls, biggie smalls.... NOTR |
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Megalapteryx Didinus
Innocent Victims
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Posted - 2008.06.26 20:27:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon FOOM has been averaging a 90% efficiency in FacWar.
1. my k/d ratio!
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon We also have three people on the verge of Luminaire Generals.
2. no one cares, really i promise they dont.
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon The Gallente militia, last I checked, was tops in kills by a long margin and roughly equal with the Caldari in victory points. FOOM has earned 700 kills since the start of FacWar with about 60 active combat pilots.
3. for someone who had a private killboard the entire time you lived in 0.0, why would you brag now that you are in empire about pvp stats, tell me what were your stats like in 0.0, and why the need to hide them?
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon In short, we're having the time of our lives - never had more fun, genuinely. :)
4. finally freed from the shackles of POS warfare!
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Velociter
Eureka - Global Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.06.26 21:10:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Megalapteryx Didinus Stuff
Ahh SK Rooster, still so much hate towards BRUCE its fun to see the hate never ends from you :)
Vel
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Megalapteryx Didinus
Innocent Victims
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Posted - 2008.06.26 21:55:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Velociter Ahh SK Rooster, still so much hate towards BRUCE its fun to see the hate never ends from you :)
Vel
forums are fun
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Grim Mercy
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.27 00:04:00 -
[184]
Look, Fried... I don't think you're a traitor. I know you did a lot for the alliance, and that your burn-out was well and truly earned. I do apologize for the venom that is expressing my frustration. However, the manner in which you left (and I say you, because FOOM would not have left without you, nor probably the Shade. crew) stranded everybody else. All of your hard work "building the alliance from the ground up" was completely undone in your last moments.
You've probably heard this old axiom before, so forgive me for having to clean it up for the forums:
"A man can build a thousand bridges, and kiss just one guy... and they're not going to remember him as a bridge-builder."
Your failures are going to be remembered long after your successes. You seem comfortable with running FOOM and doing the FW thing from low sec, and that's cool. But make no mistake, BRUCE folded when you left. You were BRUCE. The fact that you can't seem to connect your departure with the failure cascade is disheartening.
I personally don't have any enmity against you; this is a video game after all. I meant it when I said I hope you're having fun doin' what your doin'. Just man up and admit that the way you ran the alliance assured it's demise when you were no longer at the helm. You could have moved the alliance back to Syndicate, or left the Executor position open free-for-all to see who would have stepped up, or even negotiated peace with someone, but you did none of those things.
You quit. Now you have to deal with it.
Some people think you're a traitor. Some think you're a thief. Some think you're an egocentric gas bag with a messiah complex [uhHmm] <--- you know who I'm talking about there. I don't think you are any of those things. I think you refused to sleep in the bed you made in Fountain, and made about 3000 other people do it instead.
Sorry for high-jacking the thread... this is supposed to be about corp thieves.
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Megalapteryx Didinus
Innocent Victims
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Posted - 2008.06.27 00:56:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Grim Mercy the manner in which you left stranded everybody else. All of your hard work "building the alliance from the ground up" was completely undone in your last moments.
Originally by: Grim Mercy BRUCE folded when you left. You were BRUCE. Just man up and admit that the way you ran the alliance assured it's demise when you were no longer at the helm.
I am going to plagarize DigitalCommunist here, because I think his post in another thread is fitting for this situation. Alliance name changed ofc.
My perception is that you manipulated things on some level, through passive indifference. You took away a unifying force in BRUCE during a period of ideological transition and war.
The people who took over floundered and flopped under the high pressure as anyone could expect. The end became so inevitable they probably wanted you to absolve everything for them; to spare them the shame of admitting it.
If you wanted to save BRUCE, you would've pushed them to a place on the map where they can rebuild, redefine, and retry. You should know more than most people that losing a war and losing space is trivial if everyone maintains a long term vision.
But my guess is you'd rather see BRUCE end than risk seeing someone else take it for good, change it, and be successful. Bruce was always your baby. Nothing wrong with that ofc, if BoB goes down before the game ends, that's how it'll go. You would have sabotaged your idol status by helping them move on for good. It would have marginalized your efforts, and fewer people would look back to the past with tear-eyed nostalgia.
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Arkanjuca
R.U.S.T.
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Posted - 2008.06.27 01:18:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Megalapteryx Didinus
Originally by: Grim Mercy the manner in which you left stranded everybody else. All of your hard work "building the alliance from the ground up" was completely undone in your last moments.
Originally by: Grim Mercy BRUCE folded when you left. You were BRUCE. Just man up and admit that the way you ran the alliance assured it's demise when you were no longer at the helm.
I am going to plagarize DigitalCommunist here, because I think his post in another thread is fitting for this situation. Alliance name changed ofc.
My perception is that you manipulated things on some level, through passive indifference. You took away a unifying force in BRUCE during a period of ideological transition and war.
The people who took over floundered and flopped under the high pressure as anyone could expect. The end became so inevitable they probably wanted you to absolve everything for them; to spare them the shame of admitting it.
If you wanted to save BRUCE, you would've pushed them to a place on the map where they can rebuild, redefine, and retry. You should know more than most people that losing a war and losing space is trivial if everyone maintains a long term vision.
But my guess is you'd rather see BRUCE end than risk seeing someone else take it for good, change it, and be successful. Bruce was always your baby. Nothing wrong with that ofc, if BoB goes down before the game ends, that's how it'll go. You would have sabotaged your idol status by helping them move on for good. It would have marginalized your efforts, and fewer people would look back to the past with tear-eyed nostalgia.
I know what alliance was that What defines the success an alliance will have is the ability to take a step back. Its too easy to win and expand, but taking a step back to later on move foward is not.
-- AF should be like HACs
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evoli rehathe
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.27 01:29:00 -
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think we got too bloated and greedy, numbers showed that we could field tons of ships, but yeah...
That quote you said grim made my cough up some beer, thanks a lot.
It's a game in the end, **** happens, if we don't learn from the crap mistakes we make or others make, well then there will be more threads to come about the same stuff by folks making the same mistakes. History repeating itself I've heard we went down the same way other alliances have, could we have prevented it? Guess we'll never know.
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Wusti
The New Era
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Posted - 2008.06.27 03:54:00 -
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I used to love BRUCE threads - but now I'm bored... time to move along
Glad to see Freid is still an arrogant SOB - he can now join the ranks of Death, Taxes and Nurses in this regard. _______________________
Welcome to The New Era
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Kindra Blades
Celestial Pillagers
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Posted - 2008.06.27 04:30:00 -
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Glad to see FOOM is thriving Fried. You know the truth, BRUCE knows the truth, the spinsters know the real truth. You did so much for BRUCE and glad to see you are still rocking. Who cares what those guys say, they had access to the forums, yet won't break out with the full story. Rock on bro and fly safe!
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Spifflonius
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.27 04:31:00 -
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o/ Wusti
miss fighting you guys. Take it easy mate :)
p.s. posting as an ex bruce in a bruce thread cause i did not want to feel left out.
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Sorrowed
Gallente Shade.
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Posted - 2008.06.27 06:38:00 -
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Just wanted to pop in and make a point of fact here. Shade members did not leave as a result of FOOM leaving. Nor did they leave as a result of PL being there. Shade was not even a member corp of Bruce. Shade was the original Tac Ops group of bruce. We had our own locked vent for security, private forums. The shade group were made up of the top killers spread across multiple corps including FOOM, Tgrads, HIP, Trada, HOMI, BHDL, and others. This was the advanced crew that took part in missions that took down OSS in syndicate and reckoning in CR. The core group made up 24 of the top 30 killers in the alliance representive of 50% of the total kills on the alliance KB.
Jester and other members had been discussing forming this corp prior to FOOMs departure as a member corp of bruce. When FOOM left we used this time to form the new corp as we were expecting members from foom that would be staying with the alliance and the new corp.
We approached Serene at that time about getting entrance into the alliance and we were told that we would have to "wait in line and go through the same exceptance criteria as any other newly apllying corp"
For all those of you who think your top pvpers left you, you are mistaken. Taking that as an insult we no longer planned to mettle in bruces affairs. As mush as we are friends with FOOM and respect them, they had little to nothing to do with us leaving, rather the new management decided we were not welcome. Foom's departure was handled the best way that they could at the time. They took nothing, and infact left much more than any other departing group did. I feel that they represented class in how they handled themselves in such a tough time.
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The Ubernomicon
Eight year old girls
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Posted - 2008.06.27 07:19:00 -
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I love that Fried continues to claim that Kug edited the forum posts. Yet, Fried still refuses to present "unedited" version. I wonder why?
Fried views BRUCE and the eve community the same as he views his real life students. He believes he can go around making unsupported claims that we HAVE to swallow.
I have respect for you Fried, but you should have stepped up and taken control of BRUCE. Picking up your ball and going home was the wrong move. To make matters worse you passed the reigns to Serena, who told everyone to evac and practically vanished.
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dr34dd
Amarr Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.27 13:39:00 -
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Elrick to respond to your mail ingame:
Yeah your doing alot of defending of marcus there,, why doesnt he speak for himself?
Wheres the screenshot of his completed and accepted contract to serena for the fuel then huh?
ass,,,,
Mind you, unlike Elrick I don't like bringing private conversation into the public area but as he's blocked me/my corp from ingame mails right after he send this it seemed the logical way to reply.
Marcus doesn't speak for himself because he cba defending himself on COAD anymore, I like COAD and like making a fool out of those that accuse us falsely because I believe that defending yourself does have a use.
It's kind of silly to ask of a screenshot for his completed and accepted contract to serena considering we just came to the conclusion on the previous page that screenshots can be faked so easily. Marcus cba with any of this anymore so he won't send anything (I doubt he's even reading this) but that doesn't mean he can't send you this screenshot, thing is even if he did it wouldn't prove anything considering they can be faked so easily (and I for one got the photoshop skills to do it if we wanted to cheat you on this in the same way your CEO ****** you over).
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IHaveTenInches
Guns at your Starbase
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Posted - 2008.06.28 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith
These items are ALSO now for sale in Fountain sold by the alt char "9 inches". Most of the battleships were listed below insurance payout and have thus been purchased and destroyed for insurance fraud.
That's my alt. Seriously.
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Steph Wing
Gallente Electro Fuels
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Posted - 2008.06.28 08:37:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Steph Wing on 28/06/2008 08:41:34 o_O
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Kindra Blades
Celestial Pillagers
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Posted - 2008.06.28 12:25:00 -
[196]
Originally by: The Ubernomicon I love that Fried continues to claim that Kug edited the forum posts. Yet, Fried still refuses to present "unedited" version. I wonder why?
There is no need to, what would the truth serve on CAOD?
Fried views BRUCE and the eve community the same as he views his real life students. He believes he can go around making unsupported claims that we HAVE to swallow.
Much like goon claims?
I have respect for you Fried, but you should have stepped up and taken control of BRUCE. Picking up your ball and going home was the wrong move. To make matters worse you passed the reigns to Serena, who told everyone to evac and practically vanished.
Serena was voted in by the BRUCE council, not installed by Fried, FYI
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O'Ran
Caldari First Caldari Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.28 14:15:00 -
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honestly, its sad to see BRUCE end this way. Since the experience and journey to get to this point was probably the most fun ive ever had, and im sure thats the same for many other people. Regardless of all the BS flying around (mainly the silly blame game) - i had great time. Thanks for giving me some amazing months in eve :)
I think that BRUCES should stop and think, ignore the last terrible months - and walk away with the good times!
/end happy-naive-hippy-bubbly statement
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Lrrp
Minmatar Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.28 15:19:00 -
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So Fried is bragging how a well organised corp gets set up in FW and brags about killing how many noobs? Kinda like BoB bragging about all their kills if they war dec'd Eve Uni. Amazing. |
xRevolveRx
Masters of Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.06.28 19:22:00 -
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Elrick Coldsmith: 2008-06-26 05:54:58
While bruce is still in existence please follow the BRUCE ROE.
Lets try to not turn pirate for a few more days yet eh?
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Goodbye BRUCE. Even though the leadership abandoned the alliance members who fought to protect the high value assets of a select few, it sounds like you guys still had fun with the pew pew. May your final days be pleasant.
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Frances Ducoir
Koshaku
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Posted - 2008.06.28 20:08:00 -
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IMO Fried and the old leadership killed bruce whit their greed for fountain.
we didnt need pnqy and we didnt need y2. u-s & 7bx were more than enough and much easier to defend. spreading out over all of fountain was the error which killed bruce.
lets face it: bruce's strenght wasnt good tactics, it was sheer manpower and quick reaction time, which is quite a good thing to defend 2 constellations, but not a whole region.
the leaving of foom had nothing to do with the downfall of bruce, the mistakes were made much earlier.
farewell bruce.
*snip* Signiture remoted because it contained profanity - hutch |
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Ab Tallen
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.28 21:00:00 -
[201]
I guess this thread is as good as any (on CAOD) to say goodbye to BRUCE. A great alliance that lived on the dedication of it's founders, and in the end couldn't survive on it's own.
To everyone involved, thank you. Good luck, wherever you may go. |
thightickler
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Posted - 2008.06.29 08:29:00 -
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FOOM was like the kid that was there when his friend got in a fight with some other guys, you left when it looked like things might get tough for you. Later word is your "friend" got the **** kicked out of him, becuase you left him alone to play the part and now he's gone, disappeared without any trails he ever existed. Be proud FOOM you did so much, and I'm sure your name will live on longer than BRUCES. |
The Ubernomicon
Eight year old girls
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Posted - 2008.06.30 04:30:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Kindra Blades
Originally by: The Ubernomicon I love that Fried continues to claim that Kug edited the forum posts. Yet, Fried still refuses to present "unedited" version. I wonder why?
There is no need to, what would the truth serve on CAOD?
Fried views BRUCE and the eve community the same as he views his real life students. He believes he can go around making unsupported claims that we HAVE to swallow.
Much like goon claims?
I have respect for you Fried, but you should have stepped up and taken control of BRUCE. Picking up your ball and going home was the wrong move. To make matters worse you passed the reigns to Serena, who told everyone to evac and practically vanished.
Serena was voted in by the BRUCE council, not installed by Fried, FYI
If Fried at least presented the "unedited" posts the people of CAOD would be able to decide the truth for themselves. Instead, we only get Kug's version. I wonder who I am going to believe? On one side we have a guy that brought to light T20's less then honorable actions. On the other we have a guy that left his alliance and friends to the wolves. I think I am going to side with the guy that has been leaking verified intel for over a year.
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Tital
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Posted - 2008.06.30 11:31:00 -
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Can't you all just let it go? BRUCE failed and you were all a part of it. Enjoy. |
Kla'strit
e X i l e
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Posted - 2008.07.01 18:08:00 -
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OMFG 8 pages? marcos is not worth that much time and effort. Flew in omen with some friends and quickly realised they were fail. By them being fail I am of course refering to their one and only Dictator leader(Mr. Malos)
Basically, the long and short of it. Dont trust him. Or that Oghma fellow he flys with.
Kla
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