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EliteSlave M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.24 15:58:00 - [1] Ok, I have been reading the CSM forums for the past few days, and I have come to the conclusion that they are worthless and not going to help the Game in anyway, Reason being is that, 80% of the the CSM's are carebears (Besides the Goons) that are discussing topics such as "Capital-Online" or "Titans and Cynojammers" and how to circumvent it. I am calling for impeachment of the current Carebear CSM's as they have no experience w/the topics of 0.0 being discussed,Also, as we have seen nothing to date has changed nor will it, Or if this will not happen that the CSM delegation be split up into 2 divisions consisting of 0.0 / low sec only pilots, and the other division being that of the Empire Carebears.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:04:00 - [2] Id actually truly forgotten about the CSM. I had a look at the 'proclamation' thread and its empty? Where should i be looking for anything pertinant? SKUNK
Deviana Sevidon Panta-Rhei	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:05:00 - [3] Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 24/06/2008 16:05:25 First of all, because the chairman of the CSM is not in a 0.0 alliance, does not automatically mean that he is a carebear. About the calls for impeachment, that are 80% goonies and their alts and fanboys that could not get there candidate as a chairman of the CSM. Instead of living with the fact and move on, they now try to get their epic lulz by ruining it for everybody else. Third the topics are discussed by the CSM, because they were brought up to them by the playerbase. Democracy would be great, if we can ever make the damn thing work.
Trojanman190 D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:10:00 - [4] Just ignore it. The CSM is so far beyond saving that it's rediculous. How anyone thought we could have an unbiased 3rd party between us and the devs completely blows my mind. They weren't going to change the game before and they certainly aren't going to change the game now.
EliteSlave M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 24/06/2008 16:05:25 First of all, because the chairman of the CSM is not in a 0.0 alliance, does not automatically mean that he is a carebear. About the calls for impeachment, that are 80% goonies and their alts and fanboys that could not get there candidate as a chairman of the CSM. Instead of living with the fact and move on, they now try to get their epic lulz by ruining it for everybody else. Third the topics are discussed by the CSM, because they were brought up to them by the playerbase. Democracy would be great, if we can ever make the damn thing work. Living in Empire = Carebear with all the Froth on top. CSM's that live in Empire SHOULD NOT DISCUSS THE FATE OF 0.0 Aspects and way of life! Empire != 0.0 thus they should not discuss the matter, Simple as that. Yes playerbase brought the matter up, but in the End the CSM's are the ones that are going to Decide the fate, or sway the fate of the matter at hand.
Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:15:00 - [6] Well i know for a fact that jade doesnt stick to high sec. And we all know that 0.0 player love to whine at high sec players, so why isnt it allowed the other way arround?
Haakelen Force d'action navale	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:16:00 - [7] Also, don't assume that people in lowsec want to be lumped in with 0.0. Capitals and sov mechanics are legitimate concerns some people have, you cannot simply dismiss it as 'hurr hurr empire carebears I am awesome'.
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:16:00 - [8] The whole thing was a failure right from the start, I don't expect anything good ever to come out of it.
Avaricious Zee Wolf Stone	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:17:00 - [9] Originally by: EliteSlave Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 24/06/2008 16:05:25 First of all, because the chairman of the CSM is not in a 0.0 alliance, does not automatically mean that he is a carebear. About the calls for impeachment, that are 80% goonies and their alts and fanboys that could not get there candidate as a chairman of the CSM. Instead of living with the fact and move on, they now try to get their epic lulz by ruining it for everybody else. Third the topics are discussed by the CSM, because they were brought up to them by the playerbase. Democracy would be great, if we can ever make the damn thing work. Living in Empire = Carebear with all the Froth on top. CSM's that live in Empire SHOULD NOT DISCUSS THE FATE OF 0.0 Aspects and way of life! Empire != 0.0 thus they should not discuss the matter, Simple as that. Yes playerbase brought the matter up, but in the End the CSM's are the ones that are going to Decide the fate, or sway the fate of the matter at hand. Yes, the head of Star Fraction is a carebear. The logic is impeccable. 10/10 Non fui, fui, non sum, non desidero
DeadDuck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:19:00 - [10] Originally by: EliteSlave Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 24/06/2008 16:05:25 First of all, because the chairman of the CSM is not in a 0.0 alliance, does not automatically mean that he is a carebear. About the calls for impeachment, that are 80% goonies and their alts and fanboys that could not get there candidate as a chairman of the CSM. Instead of living with the fact and move on, they now try to get their epic lulz by ruining it for everybody else. Third the topics are discussed by the CSM, because they were brought up to them by the playerbase. Democracy would be great, if we can ever make the damn thing work. Living in Empire = Carebear with all the Froth on top. CSM's that live in Empire SHOULD NOT DISCUSS THE FATE OF 0.0 Aspects and way of life! Empire != 0.0 thus they should not discuss the matter, Simple as that. Yes playerbase brought the matter up, but in the End the CSM's are the ones that are going to Decide the fate, or sway the fate of the matter at hand. You really dont have a clue about what you are saying dont you ? "carebears" ?? ... ________________ God is my Wingman
Reem Fairchild Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:20:00 - [11] Originally by: EliteSlave "Titans and Cynojammers" Well, those do need fixing.
EliteSlave M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Haakelen Also, don't assume that people in lowsec want to be lumped in with 0.0. Capitals and sov mechanics are legitimate concerns some people have, you cannot simply dismiss it as 'hurr hurr empire carebears I am awesome'. reason i lumped lowsec pilots w/ 0.0 pilots is because lowsec pilots actually have interaction with capitals and such.
EliteSlave M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Avaricious Zee Originally by: EliteSlave Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 24/06/2008 16:05:25 First of all, because the chairman of the CSM is not in a 0.0 alliance, does not automatically mean that he is a carebear. About the calls for impeachment, that are 80% goonies and their alts and fanboys that could not get there candidate as a chairman of the CSM. Instead of living with the fact and move on, they now try to get their epic lulz by ruining it for everybody else. Third the topics are discussed by the CSM, because they were brought up to them by the playerbase. Democracy would be great, if we can ever make the damn thing work. Living in Empire = Carebear with all the Froth on top. CSM's that live in Empire SHOULD NOT DISCUSS THE FATE OF 0.0 Aspects and way of life! Empire != 0.0 thus they should not discuss the matter, Simple as that. Yes playerbase brought the matter up, but in the End the CSM's are the ones that are going to Decide the fate, or sway the fate of the matter at hand. Yes, the head of Star Fraction is a carebear. The logic is impeccable. 10/10 Where have I specifically targeted Jade Constantine?
EliteSlave M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:24:00 - [14] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: EliteSlave Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 24/06/2008 16:05:25 First of all, because the chairman of the CSM is not in a 0.0 alliance, does not automatically mean that he is a carebear. About the calls for impeachment, that are 80% goonies and their alts and fanboys that could not get there candidate as a chairman of the CSM. Instead of living with the fact and move on, they now try to get their epic lulz by ruining it for everybody else. Third the topics are discussed by the CSM, because they were brought up to them by the playerbase. Democracy would be great, if we can ever make the damn thing work. Living in Empire = Carebear with all the Froth on top. CSM's that live in Empire SHOULD NOT DISCUSS THE FATE OF 0.0 Aspects and way of life! Empire != 0.0 thus they should not discuss the matter, Simple as that. Yes playerbase brought the matter up, but in the End the CSM's are the ones that are going to Decide the fate, or sway the fate of the matter at hand. You really dont have a clue about what you are saying dont you ? "carebears" ?? ... I dont understand what you are getting at?
Avaricious Zee Wolf Stone	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:25:00 - [15] Originally by: EliteSlave Originally by: Avaricious Zee Originally by: EliteSlave Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 24/06/2008 16:05:25 First of all, because the chairman of the CSM is not in a 0.0 alliance, does not automatically mean that he is a carebear. About the calls for impeachment, that are 80% goonies and their alts and fanboys that could not get there candidate as a chairman of the CSM. Instead of living with the fact and move on, they now try to get their epic lulz by ruining it for everybody else. Third the topics are discussed by the CSM, because they were brought up to them by the playerbase. Democracy would be great, if we can ever make the damn thing work. Living in Empire = Carebear with all the Froth on top. CSM's that live in Empire SHOULD NOT DISCUSS THE FATE OF 0.0 Aspects and way of life! Empire != 0.0 thus they should not discuss the matter, Simple as that. Yes playerbase brought the matter up, but in the End the CSM's are the ones that are going to Decide the fate, or sway the fate of the matter at hand. Yes, the head of Star Fraction is a carebear. The logic is impeccable. 10/10 Where have I specifically targeted Jade Constantine? Star Fraction lives in Empire. You said all Empire dwellers are carebears. Therefore, you targeted all the empire dwelling CSM's. Good troll or stupid poster, . Non fui, fui, non sum, non desidero
EliteSlave M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Avaricious Zee Originally by: EliteSlave Originally by: Avaricious Zee Originally by: EliteSlave Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 24/06/2008 16:05:25 First of all, because the chairman of the CSM is not in a 0.0 alliance, does not automatically mean that he is a carebear. About the calls for impeachment, that are 80% goonies and their alts and fanboys that could not get there candidate as a chairman of the CSM. Instead of living with the fact and move on, they now try to get their epic lulz by ruining it for everybody else. Third the topics are discussed by the CSM, because they were brought up to them by the playerbase. Democracy would be great, if we can ever make the damn thing work. Living in Empire = Carebear with all the Froth on top. CSM's that live in Empire SHOULD NOT DISCUSS THE FATE OF 0.0 Aspects and way of life! Empire != 0.0 thus they should not discuss the matter, Simple as that. Yes playerbase brought the matter up, but in the End the CSM's are the ones that are going to Decide the fate, or sway the fate of the matter at hand. Yes, the head of Star Fraction is a carebear. The logic is impeccable. 10/10 Where have I specifically targeted Jade Constantine? Star Fraction lives in Empire. You said all Empire dwellers are carebears. Therefore, you targeted all the empire dwelling CSM's. Good troll or stupid poster, . Empire Dwellers are carebears simple as that, they dont want to run the risk of losing a ship thus they fall under the protection of concord = carebear. this is not a troll, this is a honest to god post that i think the CSM's is a failure, CCP Xhagen had a brilliant Idea on paper, but unfortunately this is not working out :(
Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:31:00 - [17] Definately stupid poster.
Dingi223	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:37:00 - [18] 1. While I have similar concerns if the CSM can achieve change, from the initial feedback of the meeting with CCP a lot of good came out of it. Hopefully this is a positive sign. 2. The CSM is a medium through which the players communicate, i.e. players raise the issues, which the CSM formalize and present to CCP. As a result, the composition of the CSM should not impact the issues being discussed. 3. In your opening post, you call everyone on the CSM a carebear (except the goons). You then continue to say everyone living in Empire is a carebear. When someone clearly points out that the chair of the CSM is not a carebear, you ask where you said they were. Refer to two facts immediate after 3. 4. That leads the average reader to the conclusion that you are indeed stupid. o7
d'hofren Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:41:00 - [19] Edited by: d''hofren on 24/06/2008 16:41:44 Not quite true. I am an empire war guy nowdays. In the past I have been hugely involved in what you might term real 0.0 life. I have done pos take downs, I have thrown up offensive pos's. I have organized cyno chains. I have been part of campaigns to eradicate alliances, I have been in eradicated alliances. I have been in big name corps, I have been a director of not entirely unknown corps. Many of my old friends got burnt out on the whole POS side of things. That's why you will see a lot of ex 0.0 movers and shakers back in empire nowdays, empire war is almost as much fun as eve was pre sov, faction warfare gives people the big gang action without the alarm cloak pos fueling / pos take downs...
EliteSlave M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Dingi223 1. While I have similar concerns if the CSM can achieve change, from the initial feedback of the meeting with CCP a lot of good came out of it. Hopefully this is a positive sign. 2. The CSM is a medium through which the players communicate, i.e. players raise the issues, which the CSM formalize and present to CCP. As a result, the composition of the CSM should not impact the issues being discussed. 3. In your opening post, you call everyone on the CSM a carebear (except the goons). You then continue to say everyone living in Empire is a carebear. When someone clearly points out that the chair of the CSM is not a carebear, you ask where you said they were. Refer to two facts immediate after 3. 4. That leads the average reader to the conclusion that you are indeed stupid. o7 No, I actually never Implicated the CHAIR. Not 1 time did i ever Implicate Jade.. I have respect for Jade and SF, what I am talking about is the actual carebears crim de le crim.
EliteSlave M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:47:00 - [21] Originally by: d'hofren Edited by: d''hofren on 24/06/2008 16:41:44 Not quite true. I am an empire war guy nowdays. In the past I have been hugely involved in what you might term real 0.0 life. I have done pos take downs, I have thrown up offensive pos's. I have organized cyno chains. I have been part of campaigns to eradicate alliances, I have been in eradicated alliances. I have been in big name corps, I have been a director of not entirely unknown corps. Many of my old friends got burnt out on the whole POS side of things. That's why you will see a lot of ex 0.0 movers and shakers back in empire nowdays, empire war is almost as much fun as eve was pre sov, faction warfare gives people the big gang action without the alarm cloak pos fueling / pos take downs... I completely understand that D'hofren, I get burned out at pos warfare aswell, what my beef is with the CSM delegation is the fact that there are CSM's that are discussing this that have had 0 interaction with the problems at hand and thus cannot properly understand the problem at hand and make blindsighted fix's to the mechanic.
Zinras Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:55:00 - [22] ITT, people think CSM has any kind of power and that it is absolutely impossible for the people without 0.0 experience to let the 0.0 people do the talking on those issues. Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:01:00 - [23] I dont see the point of the CSM. If you trust CCP, play the game. If you dont, quit. There will never be a outside body that knows what CCP does or doesnt do. --- Its dead, Jim.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:02:00 - [24] Just hire mercs to kill all CSM members
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:07:00 - [25] This post lacks logic. In fact, I think this post is completely wrong on all accounts. Suffice to say, I think you should hold judgement till the minutes for the Iceland meetings are out. Also, you can't group people. I'm most known as a carebear, for instance, but that couldn't be further from the truth. So wait till the minutes are out. I think it could change the general view on how CSM operates and have influence. Trust me, it's there.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:08:00 - [26] Funny thing is CSM was an epic success and those nine players had a hellova of experience in all aspects of the game in my assessment. We discussed a great range of issues and got a lot high quality debate from the CCP team including their leader-developers and senior executive group. Minutes are being produced to show the detailed outcomes but lets just say a lot of people are going to be pretty damn surprised at how influential this thing is and how seriously CCP is taking it. CSM is here to stay and I predict the winter elections are going to be pretty massive. Sure this time round only GS and CVA took the thing seriously from the 0.0 alliances, thats not going to happen again I assure you. But luckily for Eve and the player base these nine were great. Me=roving pvp/combat dynamism/RP Hardin=0.0 alliance/organization/RP Ank=Empire/Economy/Missions/War/Consequence Darius=0.0 alliance/large scale organization/sov Bane=0.0 alliance/sov/pos Dierdra=empire/new players/warfare Serenity=0.0 alliance/sov/economy/finance LaVista=small scale pvp/economics/investment/finance Inanna=industry/agents/UI/RP Now come on really. Thats a pretty damn good group. We had a decent cross section of empire/0.0/alliance/corp/missioning focus and pretty much everyone had the knowledge to comment intelligently on all issues. Fingers crossed the next CSM does as well. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:09:00 - [27] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Just hire mercs to kill all CSM members Heh, I think I can speak for the entire council when I say: "Bring it" CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Jade Constantine Me=roving pvp/combat dynamism/RP Hardin=0.0 alliance/organization/RP Ank=Empire/Economy/Missions/War/Consequence Darius=0.0 alliance/large scale organization/sov Bane=0.0 alliance/sov/pos Dierdra=empire/new players/warfare Serenity=0.0 alliance/sov/economy/finance LaVista=small scale pvp/economics/investment/finance Inanna=industry/agents/UI/RP Someone WILL whine about the lack of piracy being listed. But quite frankly it's also presented, despite popular belief. Just a shame no piracy issues were raised.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:18:00 - [29] Originally by: LaVista Vista Someone WILL whine about the lack of piracy being listed. But quite frankly it's also presented, despite popular belief. Just a shame no piracy issues were raised. Lol I was trying not to out people's pirate alts you know CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:18:00 - [30] I second the hire mercs. Goonswarm certainly needs more wardecs where I will never see them beyond the mailbox. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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