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Sturmwolke School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Naliiya I've been flying a Raven and done lvl 4 missions for quite a while now but I simply don't see a good reason to use CPR's on a Raven. Using 3 CPR's makes the Shield boost amplifier useless. If the Raven has a design pre-requisite minimum of 2x BCS, CPRs are the only viable way to achieve a perma-run without resorting to "exotic" extreme fittings/implants. At max Energy skills, the 3rd CPR can be replaced with a CFC to improve the tank a little further, though you'd still be stuck with at least 2 CPRs. Yes, CFCs are better only if you're satisfied with a maximum 1x BCS. It tanks worse than a CPR setup in a 2x BCS config as you'd need to sacrifice the second medium slot for another Cap Recharger - which means you either lose the SBA or an Hardener slot. Personally, I'd prefer a minimum 2x/3x BCS in a perma-run/standard Raven. Anything lower is just too slow at killing things in L4 missions Reduce the overtank, increase DPS.
Sir Ibex	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:13:00 - [32] Edited by: Sir Ibex on 25/06/2008 16:15:20 Originally by: Naliiya Edited by: Naliiya on 25/06/2008 07:42:38 Edited by: Naliiya on 25/06/2008 07:41:47 I've been flying a Raven and done lvl 4 missions for quite a while now but I simply don't see a good reason to use CPR's on a Raven. Using 3 CPR's makes the Shield boost amplifier useless. My setup: High: 6x XT-9000 Launcher 1x Large Smartbomb 1x Drone Link Augmentor Med: 2x Active rat specific hardener II (primary dmg) 1x Active rat specific hardener II (secondary dmg) 1x Shield boost amplifier II 1x X-Large shield booster II 1x Cap recharger II Lows: 1x BC II 4x Capacitor flux coil II Rigs: 3x CCC This setup runs the tank 24/7 obviously, and has a decent recharge rate to still take out those nasty close range web/scramble frigs by using the smartbomb. /Edit: Typo's Can you post your skills on inEVE.net so I can compare them to mine? Even with all Level V skills in EFT the capacitor on my Raven cant run for more than 4min. With this setup or any setup similar to this one. and that's at all level V. Either I'm doing something wrong or I dunno...
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Nid Tipply Yeah battleships have great cap until a curse comes out of nowhere and says yummy. So I'm just trying to see, how bad would it be to have 4 resistance specific amplifiers, with compensation skills at 4, which doesn't take long at all, each resistance amp giving around 57% resistance without using cap. Curses don't tend to come out of nowhere, especially not in a high sec mission, at least not in my experience.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:09:00 - [34] Quote: Also, if someone could please hop over to my inEVE page and tell me which skills I should train so I can start doing L4's as soon as possible? I know my tank skills are horrible atm, but what else needs to be improved ASAP to allow me to start missioning, and what can wait till later? Thanx in advance. My inEVE Page TBH you could have started a while back man.
Sir Ibex	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Boz Well TBH you could have started a while back man. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I use evemon and eft, but somehow, despite following the guides, and trying the different setups I never have enough cap. There must be something I missed, some skill I forgot to train high enough... That's why I'm hoping someone can notice what I missed.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Sir Ibex Originally by: Boz Well TBH you could have started a while back man. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I use evemon and eft, but somehow, despite following the guides, and trying the different setups I never have enough cap. There must be something I missed, some skill I forgot to train high enough... That's why I'm hoping someone can notice what I missed. I think he meant you are ready ;)
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:26:00 - [37] You don't HAVE to run a perma booster. If you insist on it, use cap power relays (you're gimping your tank in the process though, which is why most don't perma). If you fit the proper hardeners and use range as needed, you should be fine on missions with those skills. I said you could have started earlier because you asked "tell me which skills I should train so I can start doing L4's as soon as possible?" And I started level 4's with similar skills to yours, except I didn't yet have t2 cruise and used arbalest instead. As a final note, I just looked at your skills again. Get energy management up to 4 at least, your max cap impacts cap regen. You'll want BS to 4 at least too, and I'd go ahead and take energy systems to 5 (it's easy). Do a little work on missile skills as well (spec/guided/etc. to 4). With those trained, it should be easy.
Sir Ibex	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:48:00 - [38] Edited by: Sir Ibex on 25/06/2008 19:48:16 Thanx
supr3m3justic3 ACE'S OVER 8'S The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Sturmwolke Originally by: Naliiya I've been flying a Raven and done lvl 4 missions for quite a while now but I simply don't see a good reason to use CPR's on a Raven. Using 3 CPR's makes the Shield boost amplifier useless. If the Raven has a design pre-requisite minimum of 2x BCS, CPRs are the only viable way to achieve a perma-run without resorting to "exotic" extreme fittings/implants. At max Energy skills, the 3rd CPR can be replaced with a CFC to improve the tank a little further, though you'd still be stuck with at least 2 CPRs. Yes, CFCs are better only if you're satisfied with a maximum 1x BCS. It tanks worse than a CPR setup in a 2x BCS config as you'd need to sacrifice the second medium slot for another Cap Recharger - which means you either lose the SBA or an Hardener slot. Personally, I'd prefer a minimum 2x/3x BCS in a perma-run/standard Raven. Anything lower is just too slow at killing things in L4 missions Reduce the overtank, increase DPS. CPR's suck!
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:34:00 - [40] Originally by: supr3m3justic3 Originally by: Sturmwolke Originally by: Naliiya I've been flying a Raven and done lvl 4 missions for quite a while now but I simply don't see a good reason to use CPR's on a Raven. Using 3 CPR's makes the Shield boost amplifier useless. If the Raven has a design pre-requisite minimum of 2x BCS, CPRs are the only viable way to achieve a perma-run without resorting to "exotic" extreme fittings/implants. At max Energy skills, the 3rd CPR can be replaced with a CFC to improve the tank a little further, though you'd still be stuck with at least 2 CPRs. Yes, CFCs are better only if you're satisfied with a maximum 1x BCS. It tanks worse than a CPR setup in a 2x BCS config as you'd need to sacrifice the second medium slot for another Cap Recharger - which means you either lose the SBA or an Hardener slot. Personally, I'd prefer a minimum 2x/3x BCS in a perma-run/standard Raven. Anything lower is just too slow at killing things in L4 missions Reduce the overtank, increase DPS. CPR's suck! Insightful, eloquent, brilliant. Sticky please.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.06.26 11:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Boz Well Originally by: supr3m3justic3 Originally by: Sturmwolke Originally by: Naliiya I've been flying a Raven and done lvl 4 missions for quite a while now but I simply don't see a good reason to use CPR's on a Raven. Using 3 CPR's makes the Shield boost amplifier useless. If the Raven has a design pre-requisite minimum of 2x BCS, CPRs are the only viable way to achieve a perma-run without resorting to "exotic" extreme fittings/implants. At max Energy skills, the 3rd CPR can be replaced with a CFC to improve the tank a little further, though you'd still be stuck with at least 2 CPRs. Yes, CFCs are better only if you're satisfied with a maximum 1x BCS. It tanks worse than a CPR setup in a 2x BCS config as you'd need to sacrifice the second medium slot for another Cap Recharger - which means you either lose the SBA or an Hardener slot. Personally, I'd prefer a minimum 2x/3x BCS in a perma-run/standard Raven. Anything lower is just too slow at killing things in L4 missions Reduce the overtank, increase DPS. CPR's suck! Insightful, eloquent, brilliant. Sticky please. On the note of sticky, someone should stiky some defualt setups in the forums :P I realize now how many who actually ask this question. I do appreciate all the answers tho, and the duscussion between the different modules. :)
AnKahn Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:56:00 - [42] This is actually starting to make me a little nuts. Everyone understands that you research your mission before you undock, right? Everyone understands its is WAAAYYY easier to permarun an armor tank with out compromising your set up, check? Everyone understands there are basically 2 types of missions, ones that require sniping at range (and therefore DPS and little tank is required) and ones that whole rooms insta aggro OR hold you down with stasis towers so eventually all the rats are on top of you (therefore a LOT of tank is required and just enough DPS to methodicially kill the rats one by one until the incoming DPS allows you to AFK for a bio break). Do we all also understand that you don't have to take the same ship to every friggin mission and MAYBE chose the right ship for the right mission? Stop trying to perma run active shield tanks! The setups just get stupid
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:06:00 - [43] Quote: On the note of sticky, someone should stiky some defualt setups in the forums :P I realize now how many who actually ask this question. I do appreciate all the answers tho, and the duscussion between the different modules. :) Have you checked the ship setup index sticky?
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Boz Well Quote: On the note of sticky, someone should stiky some defualt setups in the forums :P I realize now how many who actually ask this question. I do appreciate all the answers tho, and the duscussion between the different modules. :) Have you checked the ship setup index sticky? Yes, but a sticky that says "Raven", "Drake", "Dominix", "Thorax" and such ;)
Ragnar Darkstar	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:32:00 - [45] I've just started to fly Ravens but so far this setup works very well for me. Highs 6 Arby Cruise Launchers 2 Medium Modal Electron Blasters (or whatever in these two slots) Mids XL SB II SBA I (working on II) Best named cap injector (working on II) 3 Rat-specific Active Hardener II Lows 2 BCS II 3 PDU II Rigs 3 CCC I Drones 5 Medium 5 Light
Ralin Bek	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:08:00 - [46] Lots of good advice here. I'd say if your new to lvl 4's and are used to a passive set up going for a perma boost setup will ease you into the whole cap management thing. Once your comfortable with lvl 4's and what your ship can do gradually decrease the tank and increase your DPS. Set up wise I use a CNR but this is basicly the same thing with 1 less launcher. Ballistic Control System II x 3 Power Diagnostic System II x 2 Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Hardener II x 4 Cruise Missile Launcher II x 6 Drone Link Augmentor I Whatever Capacitor Control Circuit x 3 Hammerhead I x5 ( I'm always losing drones, or forgeting to take them back, so T1 all the way) The Dread large booster doesn't quite have the burst tanking ability of the XL II, but it's got slighty better sustained tanking and can be run for a lot longer (5 minutes with my skills). It's also a much easier fit and WAY cheaper then CN version with exactly the same stats. The only room I can't take full aggro is the bonus stage in Angels Extrav where I need 1 warp out, a cap injected XL II setup could probably do this easy but I've only ever been had AE once, ONCE goddamnit
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:22:00 - [47] My agents suddenly love giving out angel extrav... I have 2 atm My C5-L XL booster tanks bonus just fine on my lower SP char, heh, although I usually use two chars (although angels make my amarr alt cry). But I'm sure an XL with a cap booster would do fine on bonus, or probably even an XL booster with no cap booster and nice dps would be fine. Once the thermal turrets are gone, the DPS isn't bad.

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