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Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 24/06/2008 16:50:01 I am going to start up level 4's in my shiny new Raven, I have this current setup planned: BCS II BCS II BCS II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II X-Large Shield Booster (named) Shield Boost Amplifier (named) Invul Filed II Invul Filed II Invul Filed II LSE II XT-9000 Cruise Missile Launcher XT-9000 Cruise Missile Launcher XT-9000 Cruise Missile Launcher XT-9000 Cruise Missile Launcher XT-9000 Cruise Missile Launcher XT-9000 Cruise Missile Launcher Empty Empty CCC I CCC I CCC I 5 x Hammerhead II What do you guys think about this setup? Any significant way to improve it? any big mistakes I have made?
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:55:00 - [2] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs any big mistakes I have made? Yes. *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:57:00 - [3] Edited by: Hanneshannes on 24/06/2008 16:57:57 Edited by: Hanneshannes on 24/06/2008 16:57:52 Replace the flux coils with PDS, they incre shield as well as cap. If you are feeling uneasy, replace one of the BCS with a DCU, it adds to your overall resists and can save you if your shield goes down. Leave the shield extender out and use 4 hardeners, mission specific imo. Oh and if you can afford it and all, use 6 arby launchers, the cruise ones are fairly cheap though, I think.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:05:00 - [4] <insert My Raven Was Equipped with the Following... post here> I imagine this is trollage, but I'll bite. CFC is fine, you don't have to use PDS as noted. Ditch Invulns, ditch extender, get 4xspecific hardeners or 3x+cap recharger. XT's are ok but arby is better.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:10:00 - [5] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 24/06/2008 17:13:29 Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 24/06/2008 17:11:49 Originally by: Boz Well <insert My Raven Was Equipped with the Following... post here> I imagine this is trollage, but I'll bite. CFC is fine, you don't have to use PDS as noted. Ditch Invulns, ditch extender, get 4xspecific hardeners or 3x+cap recharger. XT's are ok but arby is better. True, but I still gotta grind some isk to get arbys, and for the grinding I use the XT ;). Good suggestion tho, and the invuls are manliy place holders for rat spesific, I take that for granted and don't bother writing it :P. Oh, and no trollage, I am just relativly new to the forums, and the 'was' in your sitation should be replaced with 'will be'. :) Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Sidus Isaacs any big mistakes I have made? Yes. Thanks for the link btw. But since i did not know about it I do no consider it a mistake ;)
supr3m3justic3 ACE'S OVER 8'S The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:26:00 - [6] go with 3 cfc's and 2 bcs( since your doin 4's you dont wanna bail in the middle of the mish cause you cant tank)....and another hardner instead of the LSE
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:28:00 - [7] Meh, maybe just me, I use 2 PDS because I get more defensive rating out of them than if I used CFCs.
supr3m3justic3 ACE'S OVER 8'S The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Hanneshannes Meh, maybe just me, I use 2 PDS because I get more defensive rating out of them than if I used CFCs. Could be....i normaly put all cfc's in the low's and perma run the boost......maybe i'll give the PDS's a shot?!?
Treasal	Posted - 2008.06.24 18:17:00 - [9] The launchers just needs to be as your skills allow. If you can't use t2 then use best named. The 4 hardeners are rats spesific (swap them out to fit each mission). The drone link and tractor beam are optional but i like the ekstra range for my drones and not having to fly 20km in a BS to pick up loot is a blessing :). I know I'm only using a large shield booster, but this is running forever with relative cap/shield skills at lvl 4 and the tank holds out just fine. This setup can do every single mission in high sec, cept recon 1 and enemies abound 5. I've flown with this setup for almost a year and never lost one to a mission yet, never even gotten close to loosing one. Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Small Tractor Beam I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Happy trails :)
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.06.24 18:36:00 - [10] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 24/06/2008 18:44:09 Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 24/06/2008 18:42:03 Originally by: Treasal text Thanks for the tips :) Appreciate it. With all the tips I have gotten here I think I have what it takes to finally fly the level 4 :). I will not use the tractor I think tho, since I got a dedicated salvage ship :). Is two drone links possible? Or maby that is just a waste :P One lagre smartbomd could work tho, according to EFT i got enough power and such for it :)
supr3m3justic3 ACE'S OVER 8'S The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.06.24 18:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 24/06/2008 18:44:09 Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 24/06/2008 18:42:03 Originally by: Treasal text Thanks for the tips :) Appreciate it. With all the tips I have gotten here I think I have what it takes to finally fly the level 4 :). I will not use the tractor I think tho, since I got a dedicated salvage ship :). Is two drone links possible? Or maby that is just a waste :P One lagre smartbomd could work tho, according to EFT i got enough power and such for it :) Just be careful were you use it...cause concord will **** you up!
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.06.24 19:01:00 - [12] Originally by: supr3m3justic3 Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 24/06/2008 18:44:09 Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 24/06/2008 18:42:03 Originally by: Treasal text Thanks for the tips :) Appreciate it. With all the tips I have gotten here I think I have what it takes to finally fly the level 4 :). I will not use the tractor I think tho, since I got a dedicated salvage ship :). Is two drone links possible? Or maby that is just a waste :P One lagre smartbomd could work tho, according to EFT i got enough power and such for it :) Just be careful were you use it...cause concord will **** you up! Yeah, I have heard about stuff like that, and of course the Jita smarbombing. But if you use the smartbomb in a (hig sec) mission while flying solo, can that be harmful? Or is it more of a low sec thing?
Nid Tipply	Posted - 2008.06.24 19:12:00 - [13] Edited by: Nid Tipply on 24/06/2008 19:12:39 Nub question but w.e. Why do all of you advocate resistance specific hardners. Why not use resistance amplifiers? If you have resistance compensation skills to level 4, hardners and amplifiers give similar amounts of resistances except that the amplifier uses less ship resources if I remember correctly. Flame away at me if you wish, but at least provide decent explanation to why I'm wrong.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.06.24 19:21:00 - [14] We use active hardeners because they give a lot more resist at the cost of just a little cap. Battleships have plenty of cap, and you can never get enough resists. It's a no brainer. Oh, and as for you using invulns in place of specific hardeners, I just assumed you meant invulns because you see a lot of people that do fit things like that and then ask why they're getting owned. As far as CFC's, they give a better sustained defense than PDS, but the PDS gives more EHP and better burst defense. I generally use CFC because all I care about is sustained defense, but both are viable options. The key is to know the difference, and then go with the one you prefer.
Nid Tipply	Posted - 2008.06.24 19:24:00 - [15] Yeah battleships have great cap until a curse comes out of nowhere and says yummy. So I'm just trying to see, how bad would it be to have 4 resistance specific amplifiers, with compensation skills at 4, which doesn't take long at all, each resistance amp giving around 57% resistance without using cap.
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.06.24 19:30:00 - [16] If your mission ship gets ganked by pvpers, do you really think you'll be safe if you have passive hardeners? And 57%? You might want to try some math. So, you're saying gimp your mission setup because of the off chance you might get ganked and nos'd, and if that DOES happen, well, we obviously want to have a bit of extra resist so we can twitch a bit longer before we explode? Is that your reasoning? This is a new breakthrough in Raven mission setups!
Nid Tipply	Posted - 2008.06.24 19:36:00 - [17] Maybe I understand shield compensation skills wrong, 37.5% base, 5% per level, at level 4 thats 20%, thus it subtracts up to 57.5. Unless we're doing CCP math here and 37.5% + (37.5*.2)....
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.06.24 19:44:00 - [18] Afaik the hardeners gives better resistanc tehn passive. And yes, in my setup the invuls are there to say that: "I can use hardeners tech II, and I intend to use # of them" :) MAby I should have been more clera and said 'rat spec. II' :)
supr3m3justic3 ACE'S OVER 8'S The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.06.24 20:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Nid Tipply Maybe I understand shield compensation skills wrong, 37.5% base, 5% per level, at level 4 thats 20%, thus it subtracts up to 57.5. Unless we're doing CCP math here and 37.5% + (37.5*.2).... Well good ol' EFT says..... Photon scattering feild II= 55% Magnetic scattering amplifier II= 37.5% Magnetic scattering amplifier II with EM comp at level 4= 45% So no the hardners are better
Baron Agamemnon Holy Grail Constructiion	Posted - 2008.06.24 21:05:00 - [20] Originally by: supr3m3justic3 Originally by: Nid Tipply Maybe I understand shield compensation skills wrong, 37.5% base, 5% per level, at level 4 thats 20%, thus it subtracts up to 57.5. Unless we're doing CCP math here and 37.5% + (37.5*.2).... Well good ol' EFT says..... Photon scattering feild II= 55% Magnetic scattering amplifier II= 37.5% Magnetic scattering amplifier II with EM comp at level 4= 45% So no the hardners are better I guess the description is misleading. The 5% is 5% of the percentage that alredy exists, not an added 5%. Correct me if I am wrong. :)
supr3m3justic3 ACE'S OVER 8'S The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.06.24 21:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Baron Agamemnon Originally by: supr3m3justic3 Originally by: Nid Tipply Maybe I understand shield compensation skills wrong, 37.5% base, 5% per level, at level 4 thats 20%, thus it subtracts up to 57.5. Unless we're doing CCP math here and 37.5% + (37.5*.2).... Well good ol' EFT says..... Photon scattering feild II= 55% Magnetic scattering amplifier II= 37.5% Magnetic scattering amplifier II with EM comp at level 4= 45% So no the hardners are better I guess the description is misleading. The 5% is 5% of the percentage that alredy exists, not an added 5%. Correct me if I am wrong. :) Well TBH there is a stacing guide out there some where.....and i'm no rocket surgen when it comes to math....but the way they are multipled is complicated.....so i'll leave this for a real nerd! I just use EFT......its never failed me!
AstroPhobic	Posted - 2008.06.24 21:42:00 - [22] Not difficult math here. 25% boost at level 5. 37.5% (Original) * 1.25 (25%) = 46.875% Generally, if you're doing any addition for resistances, skills, or modules, you're doing it wrong.
supr3m3justic3 ACE'S OVER 8'S The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.06.24 21:46:00 - [23] Originally by: AstroPhobic Not difficult math here. 25% boost at level 5. 37.5% (Original) * 1.25 (25%) = 46.875% Generally, if you're doing any addition for resistances, skills, or modules, you're doing it wrong. yea what he said!
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2008.06.25 00:01:00 - [24] Below is your standard cookie cutter lvl 4 Mission *****ing Raven setup. Just change the hardeners/Drones/Ammo to the right damage types for your mission. This will give you the best BALANCE....I reapeat... BALANCE.. Other setups will tank more, or do more damage(Torps) or have more cap, or rep more hp's. But overall this is the best all around general setup. It's fairly cheap(Other then the Arbies). T2 Drones kill Frigs, then Destroyers, then Cruisers, then BC's, while your Cruise missiles kill BS's, then BC's, then Cruisers. Swap out the Salvager/Tractor if you are blitzing missions, and put in a Cloak/heavy neut if you're paranoid for 0.0 ratting, or Drone mods for range.. or put a few Rails/Blasters on if you're bored.. Use the exact setup with tiny modification for the CNR and GOLEM. And the reason for the SMC's instead of CCC's is becuase it'll increase you cap by about 45% and give you about 95% of the cap regen. This is fine for all lvl 4's I've found. [Raven, missions] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II X-Large Shield Booster II Heat Dissipation Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Semiconductor Memory Cell I Semiconductor Memory Cell I Semiconductor Memory Cell I Hammerhead II x5
Boz Well	Posted - 2008.06.25 02:21:00 - [25] Ditch the 5th Hardener. Fit a shield amp. I'd also ditch the DC, but if you get into structure, I guess it could come in handy. I'd prefer a third BCS.
Ashandra Phoenix Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates	Posted - 2008.06.25 02:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Boz Well Ditch the 5th Hardener. Fit a shield amp. I'd also ditch the DC, but if you get into structure, I guess it could come in handy. I'd prefer a third BCS. My thoughts exactly.
Sturmwolke School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.25 04:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Cors Below is your standard cookie cutter lvl 4 Mission *****ing Raven setup. This will give you the best BALANCE....I reapeat... BALANCE.. Other setups will tank more, or do more damage(Torps) or have more cap, or rep more hp's. But overall this is the best all around general setup. It's fairly cheap(Other then the Arbies). And the reason for the SMC's instead of CCC's is becuase it'll increase you cap by about 45% and give you about 95% of the cap regen. This is fine for all lvl 4's I've found. SMC's aren't cheap and for prolonged engagements such as L4 Blockade, PI and several others, it's a little worse off than a full CCC setup. Generally speaking, the SMC extra cap buffer advantage is negated after about 10 mins full engagement (balancing cap at ~30%). When the timer reaches to about 20 mins, the full CCC setup produces EXTRA cap which equals the SMC the buffer. At 30 mins, the amount becomes 2x the original SMC cap buffer. A workhorse true cookie cutter mission Raven runs on 3x CCC. The SMCs just add an unecessary pimp factor. Additionally, when you get tired of running the shield boost manually, you will not be able to turn an SMC rigged Raven into a perma-run without slightly gimping its tank VS a CCC rigged Raven. I'd also ditch that 5th hardener as the stacking nerf makes it almost useless when compared to the benefits if replaced by an SBA.
Captn Blackbeard	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:25:00 - [28] Edited by: Captn Blackbeard on 25/06/2008 07:31:07 This is a good setup that has never failed me (only when I used the right shield hardeners :P) High Slots Cruise Missile launcher II Cruise Missile launcher II Cruise Missile launcher II Cruise Missile launcher II Cruise Missile launcher II Cruise Missile launcher II Tractor Beam I Salvager I Medium Slots X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II Hardener II Hardener II Hardener II Low Slots Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Rigs Capacitor Control Curcuit I Capacitor Control Curcuit I Capacitor Control Curcuit I Drones x2 Heavys x2 Mediums x1 Lights Well theres my setup, it can run booster for as long as you want, Good for missions and especially for 0.0, For 0.0 I would use a NOS in place of salvager (I don't have NOS skills ) Hans Stokastios > one does not simply JUMP into NOL
Naliiya	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:40:00 - [29] Edited by: Naliiya on 25/06/2008 07:42:38 Edited by: Naliiya on 25/06/2008 07:41:47 I've been flying a Raven and done lvl 4 missions for quite a while now but I simply don't see a good reason to use CPR's on a Raven. Using 3 CPR's makes the Shield boost amplifier useless. My setup: High: 6x XT-9000 Launcher 1x Large Smartbomb 1x Drone Link Augmentor Med: 2x Active rat specific hardener II (primary dmg) 1x Active rat specific hardener II (secondary dmg) 1x Shield boost amplifier II 1x X-Large shield booster II 1x Cap recharger II Lows: 1x BC II 4x Capacitor flux coil II Rigs: 3x CCC This setup runs the tank 24/7 obviously, and has a decent recharge rate to still take out those nasty close range web/scramble frigs by using the smartbomb. /Edit: Typo's
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:36:00 - [30] Many good replys folks :). I apprecate it :)

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