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White Chasm Blood In Blood Out	Posted - 2008.06.25 04:53:00 - [31] Edited by: White Chasm on 25/06/2008 04:53:36 Originally by: CoolSprog Never offer ransom to a pirate, allthough the loophole isnt a loophole this pirate knew exactly what you meant by the terms of sending the 250mil he just sounds like an ass. Offering ransom is a no-go tho, most people dont care about ransom unless they offer it. Was pirating once and cought an indy with 89k zydrine and 36k mega inside it, as soon as we engaged it he shouted "NO" in local and sent Dell (partner) 100mil, we knew what it was for but we blew him up anyway knowing his cargohold was without a doubt full of goodies. Difference is......we sent the 100mil back. Which is the right thing to do, really. It's not like he was rewarding you guys for such an awesome industrial kill. Good call on that. This loophole stuff is sheer crap. YOU know what the money is for, so why not send it back? Now he's farther away from another ship for you to pop. _________________ Flagrant E-Peen Stroking - Check Bragging over the littlest crap - Check Endless stream of self-contradicting smacktalk - Double Check
Lakche	Posted - 2008.06.25 05:01:00 - [32] Originally by: T'Renn Actually it looks to me like he dishonored the ransom. The people here talking about "loophole" are off base and don't know much about implied contracts and the "reasonable person" standard. If I'm following you correctly, then you're saying that because Mr. Navy Issue offered Mr. Pirate money in a situation where Mr. Navy's life was at stake, that implies a ransom. The problem with that reasoning is people like myself who give away money for seemingly 'unreasonable' things, such as when I like someone's haircut, or they make me cry, or if they're ship has a prime number of turrets visible, just to name a few situations in the past. In fact, just for that I'm going to send you 1337 credits.
Opertone SIEGE.	Posted - 2008.06.25 05:40:00 - [33] he took the money, this is obvious he accepted the money, as he didn't reject it... he is guilty, he cast shame on the pirate community; do not accept the money or send it back - once money is accepted it is understood that counterparties work out a deal. if he received the money without the agreement to release the victim then he should return the money back, otherwise he becomes a dark spot on the face of the piracy.
el M Romanian Space Explorer	Posted - 2008.06.25 06:12:00 - [34] Most people seem to agree on the pirate dishonored "holy" ransom and should have give money back...WHAT a big pile of crap :). Nobody forces the pirate to ask for ransom he might be in it just for the mayhem...Eve would be pretty dull place otherwise. And if on top blowing up tho OP's ship he can pull a little scam(questionable at best; he did not ask for money; he just accepted gracefully !) for some extra cash the better for it. That's what being a dirty scumbag is all about. Lets not put outlaws on a pedestal and tie them to a arbitrary set of rules . He chose to be an outlaw to able to do as he pleases and support the consequences(must love Eve for that!). Its the pirate who controls the situation. Its the pirate who can offer a ransom ... And still the pirate who can gleefully blow up the victim even if he pays . The victim can only pay/not pay and pray ! Any other thing is bull**** Only advice to you - don't be the victim. When the pirate has you in his grasp you already failed... ----------------- aspiring carebear
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:08:00 - [35] Pirates should demand double ransom from now on... ..convo... pay 250 mil or u get blown up - ok here's 250 mil pliss no kills me ...another convo... now pay another 250 mil -but i just payd joo!??!!!?????/////1111! -you were stupid enough to pay the 1st one, so pay the 2nd one
Tenuo Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:09:00 - [36] Edited by: Tenuo on 25/06/2008 07:09:54 Just to mention, the guy (ransomer) is a selfrighteous antipirate and a complete idiot at fittings =0 _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist.
H Lecter	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:45:00 - [37] Originally by: jonbob11 It's really a shame that people no longer honor a ransom but ahh well just thought I would warn you guys :) As the chatlog is already censored (I thought only killmails could not be posted?), I can only rely on previous statements. Jonbob, you should try to make the terms and conditions of your offer clear. Personally I would stop blowing up your ship, even if you did not call it a ransom, but this is only my own kindness and no obligation for a pirate. Anyway, TBR honour ransoms. Pay us a visit with your next Navy Megathron and we'll prove it!
drakk3n The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:06:00 - [38] Edited by: drakk3n on 25/06/2008 08:08:03 The pirate only agreed to accept your money, nothing at all was said about a ransom, therefore he was still entited to destroy your ship. However, common decency says he should have sent your 250mil back with a little note explaining the above, but he's a pirate! If he wants to be a swine he can be! EDIT: Just noticed the pirates name, and Tyd Drakken =! Drakk3n, despite the rather unfortunate similarities in our names. -------------------------------------------------- Fancy a cup of tea, sir?
el M Romanian Space Explorer	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:21:00 - [39] Originally by: drakk3n However, common decency says he should have sent your 250mil back with a little note explaining the above, but he's a pirate! "common decency" and "pirate" in the same phrase . What game are you playing ? ----------------- aspiring carebear
drakk3n The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:28:00 - [40] Originally by: el M Originally by: drakk3n However, common decency says he should have sent your 250mil back with a little note explaining the above, but he's a pirate! "common decency" and "pirate" in the same phrase . What game are you playing ? Wait, this isn't World of Warcraft? -------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiE8_pz013g
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:59:00 - [41] i used to ransom ppl.. but mostly my pirating days are over... atleast for now :P if i was in the pirats place and was sent 250mil when i didnt ask for a ransom... id pop you... because that means the target has some uber stuff in there :) the 250mil i take as a gift as i did not ask for it. if i ask for ransom and you pay... i leave you alone for 15 minz... if you stick around.. ill come back and gank or ransoum your ass again. ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Judas Jones Black Company	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:10:00 - [42] Too many times they have taken 'loop holes'... nick picked at convos to say that they did not specify blah blah blah.. but it's really quite simple as they don't honour (if they had honour, would they be trying to ransom you?) Ransoms. In fact, if they don't like the way you lick there boots, as one example, whilst they attempt to convince you to part with your cash they will still blow you up and claim you was 'rude'. Don't pay ransom's, Don't offer money, Don't Fly ships you can't afford to loose.
H Lecter	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:04:00 - [43] Originally by: Judas Jones Don't pay ransom's, Don't offer money, Don't Fly ships you can't afford to loose. You should not generalize that. I'd say don't offer ransoms and if you are offered one by a guy from a well known pirate corp and you decide it's worth less than the loss of your ship and pod, then pay it. Pirates who do not honor ransoms harm their own business. If your ransom is not honored, try contacting the CEO of the pirate corp. In many cases the 'misunderstanding' will be rectified and you'll receive the ransom back. I remember a case of an unfortunate guy who was blown up in his stealth bomber after being promised free passage by us. The loss was fully compensated by the corp wallet. But again - there are pirates and disrespecting wannabe-pirates... The Black Rabbits honor ransoms - pay us and live! But only if you're lucky to be actually ransomed, sometimes we just kill you and sometimes you get a chance to buy yourself out of trouble.
Sicks Doom Generation	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:13:00 - [44] Doom Generation honors ransoms. Remember it. - - - - - - - - - -
Demitria Fernir Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:41:00 - [45] "your lack of piracy is disturbing" 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001
Noelle Fay State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:56:00 - [46] oy tyd drakken.. had some nasty fights with him in the past. o/ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke.
Mitshubi Angel Fall First	Posted - 2008.06.25 12:24:00 - [47] Originally by: el M He never intended to ransom you! Not like he was obliged to :) . Possible reason for that ... 1. A lone Navy Mega on 0.4 system attracts a lot of attention very fast, only a (short)matter of time before bigger fish would come and steal his prize or at least make him share it... 2. Maybe he was afraid you had backup on the way.. 3. Maybe he had bad experiences with failed ransoms ... 4. Maybe he scanned your ship and decided your modules are just to juicy ... (your sudden and uncalled for ISK offer meant that your ship was loaded) 5. Maybe he just wanted a fancy kill mail, maybe he just wanted to grief you (bad pirate :) )... .... And to this man, the man that was gonna pop your Navy Mega anyway since he asked no ransom, you offered a 250 mil ISK bonus(must be real proud ). And really the missing part of your post(which all of us can't wait to hear) describes the reason you took your flashy Navy Mega(possibly faction fitted) into a low sec system... (its the only thing that can make this thread better and call for more lols ) This didn't took place in low sec :) jonbob was a Kill Right of Tyd Drakken, who decided to don't let him alive and he never ask for a ransom, and jonbob gave him 250 M ... it was just a bonus for him
H Lecter	Posted - 2008.06.25 12:33:00 - [48] Originally by: Mitshubi This didn't took place in low sec :) jonbob was a Kill Right of Tyd Drakken, who decided to don't let him alive and he never ask for a ransom, and jonbob gave him 250 M ... it was just a bonus for him Well this is a completely different story then... The sweet taste of revenge is worth more than 250 M
General Hawke Shinra	Posted - 2008.06.25 12:51:00 - [49] LOL. Offering to pay a ransom in high sec to someone that has kill rights on you. Classic. You got yourself killed and lost even more money do to pure stupidity.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:09:00 - [50] Originally by: Havohej I didn't see the word Ransom in that exchange. I saw you offer him 250 mil, and him saying 'yeah' as in 'yeah, that would be nice :)' and then you ask if he agrees (to what?) and he says yes, then you sent ISK and he thanked you (very polite). If I'm killing you and I don't TELL you to pay me, then it's not a ransom. If you don't ask for a ransom (read: use the words "Would you accept a ransom to let me go?") it's not a ransom, it's just ISK you felt like giving me. You speak truth. ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
el M Romanian Space Explorer	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:10:00 - [51] Originally by: Mitshubi This didn't took place in low sec :) jonbob was a Kill Right of Tyd Drakken, who decided to don't let him alive and he never ask for a ransom If this is true then he should have mentioned it in his first post. He omitted relevant facts of the story just to make Tyd Drakken look bad. He even failed at that . ----------------- aspiring carebear
PCaBoo Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:40:00 - [52] Seems like FAIL on both sides. -.- ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
Noodle Pastaman	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:54:00 - [53] Edited by: Noodle Pastaman on 25/06/2008 13:54:46 Never pay a ransom under any circumstances doesnt matter if they want a 100 million to potentially save a billion ship. Even in the unlikely event that they dont blow you up anyway you are just making yourself a target in the future and it will cost you more in the long term
H Lecter	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:17:00 - [54] Originally by: Noodle Pastaman Edited by: Noodle Pastaman on 25/06/2008 13:54:46 Never pay a ransom under any circumstances doesnt matter if they want a 100 million to potentially save a billion ship. Even in the unlikely event that they dont blow you up anyway you are just making yourself a target in the future and it will cost you more in the long term I can't agree to that. Why is being ransomed twice for a total of 200 M more expensive than losing 2 billions in ships When you've been a target once, you will be a target again. The only difference is if you decide to pay or decide to fight (and potentially go down).
Valkiria Hera	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:41:00 - [55] ok, i think u learned a big lesson, thats for sure. Here are answers from the good old dictionary to save u all the nightmare replies from the other members. Defination of pirate in dictionary. 1. a person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea. 2. a ship used by such persons. 3. any plunderer, predator, etc.: confidence men, slumlords, and other pirates. 4. a person who uses or reproduces the work or invention of another without authorization. 5. to commit piracy upon; plunder; rob. 6. to take by piracy: to pirate gold. 7. to use or reproduce (a book, an invention, etc.) without authorization or legal right: to pirate hit records. 8. to take or entice away for one's own use: Our competitor is trying to pirate our best salesman. so in short, if u get busted, try to keep the loss limited and think of the risk. U offered money cause u paniced before thinking logic. Its a normal reaction. Stick with ur loss, and learn from the mistake by not offering money. As the dictionary says, point 6 makes total sense. If u offer money, he will take it with no guarantees. I'd say he is definatly a real pirate, kudos for that, this is EVE people !! The fact that you post a message on the forum about this makes people question ur intelligence. Think better next time mate. Happy flying
ch000000000000000lip Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:51:00 - [56] Pirates, not a rickroll or original, but by far the best/most painful definition If its not in your cargo hold, its not yours.
General Hawke Shinra	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:59:00 - [57] Edited by: General Hawke on 25/06/2008 17:02:21 Originally by: Noodle Pastaman Edited by: Noodle Pastaman on 25/06/2008 13:54:46 Never pay a ransom under any circumstances doesnt matter if they want a 100 million to potentially save a billion ship. Even in the unlikely event that they dont blow you up anyway you are just making yourself a target in the future and it will cost you more in the long term This post is fail. Most pirates honor ransoms, most targets don't want to die, and becoming a bigger target because of paying a ransom? LOL. People that fly in low sec period, if they can be caught, killed or ransomed are targets no matter what. I think most people become BIGGER targets because they smack or are just plain stupid, at least in my eyes. EDIT -_- And for the OP, you were in empire high-sec. If anyone attacks you in empire, just out of the blue, a ransom is out of the question because you either killed them and they have rights, they are suiciding on you, or you're at war with them.
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.25 23:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Mitshubi This didn't took place in low sec :) jonbob was a Kill Right of Tyd Drakken, who decided to don't let him alive and he never ask for a ransom, and jonbob gave him 250 M ... it was just a bonus for him Okay I was not aware of this before. This changes my ruling. When it comes to kill rights, all bets are off. Any reasonable person in Eve who was getting shot at in high-sec where CONCORD does not aid them shouldn't pay a ransom. Obviously they are not in a typical piracy scenario, but instead a war target or someone with kill rights. Sending the ISK to the attacker implies no ransom contract and therefore is not subject to reimbursement upon ship destruction. In short, attacker keeps the ISK and loot and all is still well with us old bittys in C&P. So ordered. whack --
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.06.26 00:07:00 - [59] it doesnt make any difference if the word "ransom" was not put there, and if it is needed then that means the EVE universe is now getting "politically correct", and you guys are sad, most pirates dont need to say the word "ransom" to know what they mean it's still dishonoring a ransom, both of them knew what he meant, i have been ransomed before, and the word "ransom" was never spoken, simple, invited me to private convo, put "25million" now although i could not pay since i didnt have the money, we both knew what it meant, and i said, " sorry man, dont have 25 million, he replies, sorry have to pop you then" pops me (get away in my pod) and that was that i have also seen this on local, again, the word "ransom" was NEVER spoken, was in a low sec system w/ like 7 or 8 other people, and as some pirates put it in local instead of inviting to convo, i saw someone put "35 million" the victim replies "ok" pirate responds a few seconds later, "pleasure doing business" and the victim begins cussing him out on local again, all you here are looking for loopholes, its still bad PR for the pirating business, and keep dishonoring ransoms and your business is going to be hit hard, especially if you all have to find little loopholes and be "politically correct" about it
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.26 00:40:00 - [60] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Havohej I didn't see the word Ransom in that exchange. I saw you offer him 250 mil, and him saying 'yeah' as in 'yeah, that would be nice :)' and then you ask if he agrees (to what?) and he says yes, then you sent ISK and he thanked you (very polite). If I'm killing you and I don't TELL you to pay me, then it's not a ransom. If you don't ask for a ransom (read: use the words "Would you accept a ransom to let me go?") it's not a ransom, it's just ISK you felt like giving me. You speak truth. I agree with techzer0 just because I am shooting you and you send me money doesn't mean I ransomed you, It just makes it an unsolicited donation

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