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Zinras Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:57:00 - [91] Originally by: Jawas Originally by: Messerschmitt facility Because the average salary in Europe is 2000 EUR. Average salary in US is 2000 USD. Therefore why each pays only 14.95 of their currency. Comprende? Which part of Europe do you come from? I want to move there. Efectively, that would almost double the current wages that I'm earning in the UK. Add to that he fact that UK pays, income tax, council tax, car tax, VAT, 70% tax on fuel, cigarettes and alcohol and of course sex tax. Oh wait, the British gov't have not worked out how to implement sex tax yet but it will come, trust me, along with tax on toilet use, tax on breathing and anything else they can get away with taxing us on cos Brits are too dumb to stand together and say "THAT'S ENOUGH!" to our gov't. We already pay nearly 70% of our wages back to the gov't in taxes. So, yes, I agree with the OP somewhat here. It is a big price for us to pay when you look at it. I buy my GTC from Shattered Crystal for that very reason. I don't know where he is from but in Denmark, the average person in the private sector made 35.570,75 DKK per month in 2006. Convert that to euros and you get 4769.24 euro per month on average. That level is higher today. Of course, we get taxed silly, but I think it's worth it anyway. Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend
Spineker State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:08:00 - [92] Edited by: Spineker on 25/06/2008 19:08:23 Wait for your industry to close up and move out when manufacturing can no longer compete with cheap American goods etc. That is the worse part of the Euro for Europe, yes you will dominate many areas of the global economy but it is fleeting and painful. We already have many companies closing their doors in China because shipping cost no longer make it viable for US companies to do business there. With the weak dollar and high fuel costs it no longer makes sense. They are returning to the US to manufacture. It is slowly building up here again. Major European companies can build cheaper in the US then they can in Europe because of the high taxes and high value of the Euro and with almost 400 million consumers in North America it just makes good sense. Anyone who thought the weak dollar is the end of the USA is sadly mistaken. It does have implications for us but the long run it is the best thing that could happen to the US people and workers. I feel for the European workers because they will soon feel the pinch AmericanÆs have felt for the last 25 years due to the high dollar value and high cost of manufacturing in the United States. As jobs dissolve into a vacuum overseas.
Zinras Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:19:00 - [93] Originally by: Spineker Edited by: Spineker on 25/06/2008 19:08:23 Wait for your industry to close up and move out when manufacturing can no longer compete with cheap American goods etc. That is the worse part of the Euro for Europe, yes you will dominate many areas of the global economy but it is fleeting and painful. We already have many companies closing their doors in China because shipping cost no longer make it viable for US companies to do business there. With the weak dollar and high fuel costs it no longer makes sense. They are returning to the US to manufacture. It is slowly building up here again. Major European companies can build cheaper in the US then they can in Europe because of the high taxes and high value of the Euro and with almost 400 million consumers in North America it just makes good sense. Anyone who thought the weak dollar is the end of the USA is sadly mistaken. It does have implications for us but the long run it is the best thing that could happen to the US people and workers. I feel for the European workers because they will soon feel the pinch AmericanÆs have felt for the last 25 years due to the high dollar value and high cost of manufacturing in the United States. As jobs dissolve into a vacuum overseas. If you're talking to me, the Danish manual labour industry pretty much moved out 10-20 years ago. Most of it is located in Eastern Europe and China already. The danish economy is just in a phase where a lot of people have a lot of money.. This will change within the next 5 years, anyway. However, it's worth noting that it doesn't matter if you made a million euro per month if your taxes and living expenses are very high. I've been to England and everything there is dirt cheap compared to here. For instance, a car in Denmark costs 2-3 times more. Many food items are also much more expensive here and worst of all, so is the beer! So yes, Danes have a high salery but it doesn't matter much when the taxes and general living expenses are higher as well. Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend
Spineker State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:24:00 - [94] Originally by: Zinras Originally by: Spineker Edited by: Spineker on 25/06/2008 19:08:23 Wait for your industry to close up and move out when manufacturing can no longer compete with cheap American goods etc. That is the worse part of the Euro for Europe, yes you will dominate many areas of the global economy but it is fleeting and painful. We already have many companies closing their doors in China because shipping cost no longer make it viable for US companies to do business there. With the weak dollar and high fuel costs it no longer makes sense. They are returning to the US to manufacture. It is slowly building up here again. Major European companies can build cheaper in the US then they can in Europe because of the high taxes and high value of the Euro and with almost 400 million consumers in North America it just makes good sense. Anyone who thought the weak dollar is the end of the USA is sadly mistaken. It does have implications for us but the long run it is the best thing that could happen to the US people and workers. I feel for the European workers because they will soon feel the pinch AmericanÆs have felt for the last 25 years due to the high dollar value and high cost of manufacturing in the United States. As jobs dissolve into a vacuum overseas. If you're talking to me, the Danish manual labour industry pretty much moved out 10-20 years ago. Most of it is located in Eastern Europe and China already. The danish economy is just in a phase where a lot of people have a lot of money.. This will change within the next 5 years, anyway. However, it's worth noting that it doesn't matter if you made a million euro per month if your taxes and living expenses are very high. I've been to England and everything there is dirt cheap compared to here. For instance, a car in Denmark costs 2-3 times more. Many food items are also much more expensive here and worst of all, so is the beer! So yes, Danes have a high salery but it doesn't matter much when the taxes and general living expenses are higher as well. No I wasn't talking to you specifically but good points! Your taxes in Europe are criminal people are basically working for the government with invisible chains. Slavery? Maybe not but indentured service sure as hell looks like it. Really the taxes are mindnumbing and the lefties here in the US are trying that in the United States also. Hopefully they will lose most of us fight them hard anyway.
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.06.25 19:38:00 - [95] It is an interesting cycle, first Japan, then the US, now Europe it seems. I guess each in turn works up to an inflated lifestyle and when it can take on no more debt it comes back down to earth. Hopefully that means the US will now have a chance to start paying off its debts by selling stuff to Europe... it'll be nice to have someone with better currency.
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:09:00 - [96] Edited by: Ulstan on 25/06/2008 20:12:32 Edited by: Ulstan on 25/06/2008 20:11:22 Quote: Why are europeans paying more than U.S. citizens? I find this act of negative discrimination to be distasteful. Because you personally are less intelligent, as evidenced by this thread. Obviously CCP isn't going to revise the subscription model every time the exchange rate changes. If you can't afford the euros, stop playing, simple as that. I sympathize with the sky high taxes the socialists bureaucrats in the EU are trying to saddle everyone with, but your expectations are unreasonable. Besides, as many other people have pointed out, you can't just look at the exchange rates. You have to compare the earning power in each country and how much of ones disposable income 15 bucks or 15 euros represents.
Saka Mizuno The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:29:00 - [97] USA for 2010 World Cup champions.
Jenny Spitfire LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:37:00 - [98] Originally by: jna And your sig... Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Can I just take this opportuntity to say ask your intention above: "[One's] ability to be devoted [to] Caldari of noble birth"? I does not knoe. Soemoen gived it to me. Why are yuo asked? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief
Spineker State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 20:44:00 - [99] Originally by: Saka Mizuno USA for 2010 World Cup champions. LOL wouldn't that be funny! The only time I am interested in the game is the World Cup which is always fun. But if the US won I could see slit wrist and people jumping off buildings. We made 3rd place in 1930...
Hrian d'Fat Caldari Hrian Trading	Posted - 2008.06.29 10:39:00 - [100] Originally by: Ess Erbe Regardless, does it really matter? Eurozone customers pay in Euro, North American customers pay in US Dollars. There are a myriad of reasons as for why the Eurozone customers pay what they pay, CCP has stated them several times. First of all, my country is not part of the euro zone, hell we werent even part of the EU when we were already forced to pay in euros. Second, i'm here since the very beginning, always felt this to be an issue and never got a straight answer from CCP about it. The only answer they gave really is that there is the VAT. Oh and about someone saying that europeans used to pay less.. EUR was more valuable even when EUR payment was introduced, although the difference was mere 10-15% at that time. A difference that you could explain with VAT actually. Thing is, that difference did grow by quite a lot.
Hrian d'Fat Caldari Hrian Trading	Posted - 2008.06.29 10:45:00 - [101] Originally by: jna d) What the market will bear to pay Regarding d) If you're reading this, and you're European you haven't cancelled your sub yet. Which proves d). If Europeans start leaving Eve in droves, or if the rate of growth of Euro Eve subscribers slows beyond a certain threshold on the Excel spreadsheet, expect your next 3-months "2 for one" offer. Oh, sure i will not leave EVE over them milking me. I merely cancel my alternate accounts and live on happily ever after. Its a lot less cash for CCP tho and im pretty damn sure they will actually feel the impact of their recent changes on their wallet. See there is a difference between being a happy customer, and just a customer. While im definitely not at the angry customer state yet, i'll sure as hell not do them favors by keeping characters around i dont need 100% of the time. Originally by: jna I can't believe this is whinge-worthy, Hrian. It's how the world operates. I'm sorry it's so "distasteful" and "discriminatory" to you, but I fear the problem is with you, rather than the world. Maybe you are right, maybe its just me being naive. I sure hope tho, that CCP will feel a little sting in their wallet after what they've done. Not because they are not entitled to raise their prices, but because of the way they presented the raise. Thats what ****es me off.
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.06.29 10:58:00 - [102] Originally by: Hrian d'Fat Originally by: jna d) What the market will bear to pay Regarding d) If you're reading this, and you're European you haven't cancelled your sub yet. Which proves d). If Europeans start leaving Eve in droves, or if the rate of growth of Euro Eve subscribers slows beyond a certain threshold on the Excel spreadsheet, expect your next 3-months "2 for one" offer. Oh, sure i will not leave EVE over them milking me. I merely cancel my alternate accounts and live on happily ever after. Its a lot less cash for CCP tho and im pretty damn sure they will actually feel the impact of their recent changes on their wallet. See there is a difference between being a happy customer, and just a customer. While im definitely not at the angry customer state yet, i'll sure as hell not do them favors by keeping characters around i dont need 100% of the time. Originally by: jna I can't believe this is whinge-worthy, Hrian. It's how the world operates. I'm sorry it's so "distasteful" and "discriminatory" to you, but I fear the problem is with you, rather than the world. Maybe you are right, maybe its just me being naive. I sure hope tho, that CCP will feel a little sting in their wallet after what they've done. Not because they are not entitled to raise their prices, but because of the way they presented the raise. Thats what **es me off. Can I have your alt accounts' stuff? Originally by:** CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend
Deverian Tarik Caldari Core Combat and Industry The Core Collective	Posted - 2008.06.29 11:11:00 - [103] Originally by: Borg9 cause amrika won teh revolutonury wor? We didn't want that continent anyway.
Kai Jyokoroi The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.06.29 11:19:00 - [104] Maybe this is (actually it definitely is) a "cheese with that whine" post, but after not looking at GTC prices for a long time or checking the forums or paying any attention, I go to buy some 90 day GTCs from evetimecode for my two chars and they don't exist any more. And the 60 day ones cost the same as the 90 day ones. So, my cost of play has gone up by 50% in one fell swoop. Normally I never complain at CCP, as I completely understand the herd mentality of the vast majority of stupid Eve players, but this has made me less than pleased. Nerf all my ships for game balance, fine, but increase my cost of play by circa ú200 over a year for two accounts and I'm not going to be a happy panda. Not that there's anything I can do about it like. :-(
Black Delphi	Posted - 2008.06.29 11:27:00 - [105] omg this is a continental epeeen battle now
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.06.29 11:45:00 - [106] Europeans get: Universal healtcare College education Governments that actually seem to be afraid of their people The euro Cool accents Lots of history CCP Horror films that are actually GOOD You really don't have too much to complain about. Americans pay less because they don't get these things.
Illwill Jill	Posted - 2008.06.29 11:56:00 - [107] Originally by: Zinras ...much more expensive here and worst of all, so is the beer... What are you talking about? The people of Helsingborg have been buying cheap beer in Denmark forever! ^^
Bom Bast	Posted - 2008.06.29 12:01:00 - [108] USA! USA! USA!
CetusOfAsuran GHOSTS OF THE FIRST AND ONLY	Posted - 2008.06.29 13:03:00 - [109] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Europeans get: Universal healtcare College education Governments that actually seem to be afraid of their people The euro Cool accents Lots of history CCP Horror films that are actually GOOD You really don't have too much to complain about. Americans pay less because they don't get these things. Please say mainland europe when spouting this rubbish. We in the uk (part of europe unfortunately) dont have the euro (thank god as it ruined economy) universal healthcare (we have the nhs which is just a joke that forces peeps into private) college education, uni yes but thats ú5000/year(about $10000) in fees alone then books etc on top governments laugh at us so hard they dont hear us you ever seen a brit horror? pre 1960 yes they good but after s-fx hit the scene lol just lol accents? lol when i visited the us i got mistaken for french/german/polish/aussie and more but never a brit Anyhoo yes we kept sterling and pay even more on exchange rates than euro=dollar but i dont care im use to it if i am happy to pay the asking price when there are other ways i will if not then i wont, europe has suffered with inflated prices for a long time, its not changing, it never will change, it cant change, accept it move on and enjoy the higher wages.
Eevul Rabbite Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.06.29 13:54:00 - [110] Originally by: Messerschmitt facility Because the average salary in Europe is 2000 EUR. Average salary in US is 2000 USD. Therefore why each pays only 14.95 of their currency. Way to make stuff up. While the are huge gaps between countries in EU, 2 mins of googling reveals that the average monthly salary in the US is around 2600 USD vs. ~1750 EUR in EU.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.29 14:08:00 - [111] Originally by: CetusOfAsuran [ universal healthcare (we have the nhs which is just a joke that forces peeps into private) college education, uni yes but thats ú5000/year(about $10000) in fees alone then books etc on top I would take the NHS any day over what we have here. And yes, I am an American who has lived in England, so I know all about it. Now, $5,000 Education would be great. Now, take that $10,000 and tripple it, and you've got schools here.
Miz Cenuij	Posted - 2008.06.29 14:31:00 - [112] Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 29/06/2008 14:35:02 With the state of the us economy, those poor buggers need all the help they can get. I was in florida 2 months ago and it was great, the ú was worth 2$ ! The number of bitter Americans i heard *****in about how unfair THAT was was pure comedy. Im going back l8r this year, maybe ill take some blankets and cardboard boxes for the Americans to live in, they can burn thier $ notes for warmth. Way to screw up ur own economy LOL. "Men are going to die... and i'm going to kill them"
Nickyo modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.06.29 14:35:00 - [113] be nicer to the americans they dont get free health care so they need to save up Im Kworlds alt
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.29 15:15:00 - [114] Originally by: Miz Cenuij Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 29/06/2008 14:35:02 With the state of the us economy, those poor buggers need all the help they can get. I was in florida 2 months ago and it was great, the ú was worth 2$ ! The number of bitter Americans i heard ***in about how unfair THAT was was pure comedy. Im going back l8r this year, maybe ill take some blankets and cardboard boxes for the Americans to live in, they can burn thier $ notes for warmth. Way to screw up ur own economy LOL. The fact that you are dumb enough to willingly go to Florida says more about you than anything else. Now, what you don't seem to understand is the falling dollar does not seriously affect local business, or domestic products. For the purpose of this point, we're going to currently ignore gas prices impact on all other prices. Now, lets talk about how I buy things out here. Lets say I'm looking at computer games, and $50 is a good average price for a new game. And for ease we'll say that it's 100% profit there. I buy one game from an American company, they make $50. I buy one from an english company, they just made ú25 profit. Now, who just got hurt there? Part two, tourism. I go on vacation to England, say I have a $500 spending budget. Now my money is only ú250. On the opposite side of the pond, an english person has a budget of ú500, they come here and can spend $1,000. Who is getting the shaft here? The average American has little to no interest in the falling currency price because it doesn't affect them, if a European company raises their prices, just buy domestic. The people who are really getting hurt here, are European companies that do business in America, tourism, and the American travelling abroad. Originally by:** CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Louis deGuerre Gallente Federation Zone Operations Command	Posted - 2008.06.29 15:26:00 - [115] We have the highest taxes on the planet ! Oh yeah, viva Hollandia ! The explanation is of course very simple : CCP is a business. Business want to earn money. Nothing wrong with that. -------------------------------------------------- If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles - Sun Tzu
Dantes Revenge	Posted - 2008.06.29 15:52:00 - [116] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Now, lets talk about how I buy things out here. Lets say I'm looking at computer games, and $50 is a good average price for a new game. And for ease we'll say that it's 100% profit there. I buy one game from an American company, they make $50. I buy one from an english company, they just made ú25 profit. Now, who just got hurt there? True enough. I have got to replace the batteries in my UPS. It's from American company, made in Taiwan and sold in the UK. The original batteries from the USA are $122 plus shipping makes the total around $180. If I buy from UK, they are ú330 plus shipping of ú30 by courier. Total ú360. These batteries also come from Taiwan but are sold in the UK at well over 4 times the price. It's no wonder UK's economy is falling apart, anyone smart enough is buying from overseas cos British companies are getting way too greedy. I can buy these batteries from Taiwan for less than it costs to buy them even from America. Here, it's not a case of cost+marginal profit, it's a case of whatever the sucker will pay and too many Brits are so stupid, they are falling for it so the prices stay high. Most companies now are operating in excess of a 100% profit margin on goods they've bought from overseas. Please urge your friends to buy from overseas direct if they have the internet, if they don't, let them use yours. Let's get these stupid prices down to a respectable level.
Rickroller	Posted - 2008.06.29 21:13:00 - [117] Originally by: Xanaii Originally by: Metal Monster Becouse europe is always 2nd. in gaming and everthing else. Apart from football, racing, producing films, plants from holland, producing cars and the list goes on. The list ends at "Ability of soldiers to kick ass and take names. Let's go invade some moar countries YEEE HAW"
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.06.29 21:18:00 - [118] Originally by: Illwill Jill Originally by: Zinras ...much more expensive here and worst of all, so is the beer... What are you talking about? The people of Helsingborg have been buying cheap beer in Denmark forever! ^^ That's because your government hates you even more than the Danish one hates us. I have been to many, many countries, and except Sweden and Norway, all of them have cheaper beer. Danes go to Germany to buy beer at the fraction of the price it is here Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend

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