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Dirtball PinK TacO Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.24 23:35:00 - [31] It cause we are driving in our 12 mpg suvs to our cabins 200 miles away to drive our dual v8 34 foot boats every weekend and we don't have as much money to play games.
Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.24 23:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Thargat because we are richer? Not hard to have a stronger currency than the US Dollar when you've got half of Europe's economies backing it. This was expected, predicted even, when the Euro was conceived. I, for one, welcome my new Imperialist European masters... what language do I need to learn, again? French. . no German . . . no Spanish. . . but considering how mutch the russians are bleeding europe for on their oil exports though you probably should make it Russian.
Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.24 23:39:00 - [33] Edited by: Raymon James on 24/06/2008 23:43:26 Originally by: Xanaii Originally by: Metal Monster Becouse europe is always 2nd. in gaming and everthing else. Apart from football,. actualy . . . not. . . http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d801308ec&template=without-video&confirm=true unless you mean soccer. as for the rest? the last IHL rateing I saw on cars the three highest rated European cars were 5th, 9th and 11th(Japan and Korea generaly beat you on that one) on Hybrids European manufactured cars did not even make the top 10 list
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.06.24 23:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Raymon James Originally by: Xanaii Apart from football,. unless you mean soccer What else would we mean by "football" ? Oh, "American Rugby", you think ? _ Vote on issue of mineral and moon material balance !
Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.24 23:49:00 - [35] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Raymon James Originally by: Xanaii Apart from football,. unless you mean soccer What else would we mean by "football" ? Oh, "American Rugby", you think ? actualy their is an american Rugby league now. the rules are modified from the current English rules from what I saw too.
Borg9	Posted - 2008.06.25 00:08:00 - [36] cause amrika won teh revolutonury wor?
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.06.25 00:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Hrian d'Fat Why are europeans paying more than U.S. citizens? I find this act of negative discrimination to be distasteful. U.S. citizens are charged 14.95 USD for the same service i pay 14.95 EUR for. Maybe you havent seen the news, but 14.95 U.S. dollars = 9.63583629 Euros Don't like it, then why not just buy the game time cards in the US? Here is the link to a seller of GTC: Shattered Crystal On a side note, I would like to take the time to say that Capitalism is better than Socialism which means that the US is better than all of EU. Local and Covert cloaking Idea
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.06.25 00:14:00 - [38] The OP could always move to the US if he thinks its so much better over here Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
Boknamar The Knights Trevor	Posted - 2008.06.25 00:35:00 - [39] So you have to pay a bit more for EVE in Europe. My regrets. Here in the US, however, we have our own problems. Our currency is dropping, people are whining about how it's becoming too expensive to drive their Hummer, two thirds of the population thinks that the Earth was created 6000 years ago, and we are graced with politicians who seem to think that suggesting the implementation of universal health care is actually a ritual to resurrect Joseph Stalin.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.06.25 00:47:00 - [40] Originally by: Boknamar two thirds of the population thinks that the Earth was created 6000 years ago OMG... thank you!!! You're not afraid of the dark, are you?
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.06.25 01:01:00 - [41] they feel sorry for us. there are so many reasons to, once you get by all the reasons to hate us. its bad enough the canadians can make fun of our money now. You're doing it wrong.
ShardowRhino Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.06.25 01:12:00 - [42] Edited by: ShardowRhino on 25/06/2008 01:16:20 Originally by: Boknamar So you have to pay a bit more for EVE in Europe. My regrets. Here in the US, however, we have our own problems. Our currency is dropping, people are whining about how it's becoming too expensive to drive their Hummer, two thirds of the population thinks that the Earth was created 6000 years ago, and we are graced with politicians who seem to think that suggesting the implementation of universal health care is actually a ritual to resurrect Joseph Stalin. hahahahha, lets put it this way, I dont know you and I don't care if you have healthcare. I seriously doubt anyone out there has ever really thought or cared if I did or not. Lets not forget the other leeches we already have feeding off of the system. The unchecked flow of illegal immigrants,the reduced wages for Americans trying to compete with neo-slavery "workers". Gotta love the politicians that suggest that its a good thing by throwing a blind eye to it or outright pandering to the neoslaves. Also how do people that whine about government spending plan to cut back on such spending when they wish to spend more money on a system that we DON'T need? Also what ever happened to CAPITALISM? The people crying for healthcare are targeting the wrong group. If the companies that provided healthcare were constantly nagged about it being to expensive they would come out with some cheap plans for those that can't afford all the bells and whistles. Much like car companies making low priced cars but still making $ off of their luxury or sports cars and suvs. Maybe the government should give out free cars to those that can't afford them??? Then again the "king of green" is eating up 20times the amount of energy of a normal U.S. household,per day and flying around in his personal,fuel guzzling ,polluting jet to take him to pick up his nobel peace prize. Then we got these idiots that have no beliefs that think that they can push around those that have beliefs ,under the Constitution. cause lets face it there was NEVER anything about the freedom to practice any faith that a person decides to go with, in any important document of our nation. Then theres the whiners that think we need to be green and energy independant and that we can magically do it all right now ,this instant without an actual plan or any kind of bridge between here(reality) and there(when we can actual run cars on air). Save the polar bears,whine about the gas prices,cry about the economy and blame anyone that isn't a democrat even though they have had their hand in whats going on without a doubt. as for those driving hummers, im sure that a large percent are the very people that are whining about gas prices and blaming the current administration for every thing, all while suggesting everyone go "green". Easiest way to fix all the problems here would to vote for me as President. certain people would be rounded up for treason and cleansed. hippies will find extra ingredients in their weed and the scourge shall dissapear,that or ill have people actually drop liquid soap on them and hose them down. also its not the number of bombs you drop, its where you drop them....who you drop em on and what kind of bomb your using in the first place
Sky Grunthor The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.25 01:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Xanaii Originally by: Metal Monster Becouse europe is always 2nd. in gaming and everthing else. Apart from football, racing, producing films, plants from holland, producing cars and the list goes on. are you talking Football or football? because the only real Football is not football. Search: Sky Grunthor
Sorlac Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.25 01:29:00 - [44] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Thargat because we are richer? I, for one, welcome my new Imperialist European masters... what language do I need to learn, again? I would say either Mandrin or Cantones; actually your best bet would probably be to learn both.
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.06.25 01:29:00 - [45] Edited by: Gimpb on 25/06/2008 01:32:13 Same reason euros pay 2-3 euro for a small soda where Americans pay .99-1.5 dollars and get free refils. I would think this would be a much bigger deal to you seeing as it's off by a factor of 3 or so and probably costs you quite a bit more cash than eve, maybe you should start a blog about that. Also, currency values change every day, changing the prices constantly to reflect them would just annoy customers and cause confusion. Yes, the euro is probably worth a bit more fluctuations aside, but it's not as big a difference as it shows now, the US is in an election year economy slump that seems to happen like clockwork every 4 years. Out of curriosity, how much does a Chinese player pay? So bottom line: you're the gravy train, baby.
Sky Grunthor The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.25 01:31:00 - [46] Originally by: Boknamar So you have to pay a bit more for EVE in Europe. My regrets. Here in the US, however, we have our own problems. Our currency is dropping, people are whining about how it's becoming too expensive to drive their Hummer, two thirds of the population thinks that the Earth was created 6000 years ago, and we are graced with politicians who seem to think that suggesting the implementation of universal health care is actually a ritual to resurrect Joseph Stalin. you forgot the 2/3rds who can't decided weather its global warming, global cooling and have just given up to call it climate change. Search: Sky Grunthor
Barbens Sky Net Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.06.25 01:33:00 - [47] Its because you, yes, JUST YOU, touch yourself at night and think no one notices. But oh no, CCP notices, and they have decided to punish you. Why, instead of touching yourself you could be playing eve. But no, you do that, so now you pay, and all of your European buddies. Its your fault, and im telling... BaRbEnS
ShardowRhino Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.06.25 01:44:00 - [48] Edited by: ShardowRhino on 25/06/2008 01:50:50 Originally by: Gimpb Same reason euros pay 2-3 euro for a small soda where Americans pay .99-1.5 dollars and get free refils. I would think this would be a much bigger deal to you seeing as it's off by a factor of 3 or so and probably costs you quite a bit more cash than eve, maybe you should start a blog about that. Also, currency values change every day, changing the prices constantly to reflect them would just annoy customers and cause confusion. Yes, the euro is probably worth a bit more fluctuations aside, but it's not as big a difference as it shows now, the US is in an election year economy slump that seems to happen like clockwork every 4 years. Out of curriosity, how much does a Chinese player pay? So bottom line: they think they can get it out of you so they charge it. American players are used to MMOs being $15. If you start going over that we are going to start reconsidering our subscriptions. Just like the soda example, over here if a place nickles and dimes us to death and we find another that doesn't do that, we are going to the new place. If we can get a free refill we are going to think favorably of that place then the one that wants to charge us again. Lets face it, its highly unlikely that my stay in EVE is costing $14 ccp a month and they are only making $1 profit. If ccp only made $1 profit per month per American player then they would need to figure a way to lower their costs. If they jack up their prices they are without a doubt going to lose subscribers over here. Add in the recent BSG ads that are going to lure new players from the U.S. to sub,it would be a really bad move to jack prices up for us. As for the euro players, it might be conversion rates. It might be that CCP just hates you. The real question is how much of the adjustment is based on actual economics and how much of it is because "we can". By "we can" i mean that euro players arent going to raise hell about it and start leaving the game. Last time some euro tried taxing us over here we raised hell about it,tossed their precious tea into the drink for the effort. Not to forget all the RL pewpew that came after that. Over here companies can die real fast when their reputation gets soiled by trying to screw over customers. Someone over here always comes out of nowhere to offer the same goods/services at a better price. I'm in no way against CCP making money for their efforts. If i were them I would want to make as much $ as possible. The thing is finding the right balance where your happy and the customers are happy. Companies need to look at ways to expand their customer base and lowering their operational costs before raising prices in order to increase profits. If they can do that without sacrificing the quality of their product then they are golden. Something the euros that are complaining should think about is how much do other mmos charge you? Is CCP keeping the price of eve in line with the price of other mmos over there? Is eve considered "cheap" before the adjustment or was it in line? If it was considered "cheap" then the adjustment is just moving in line with the industry norm. a product that is seen as "cheap" might be seen as poorly designed ,thus lower quality and that can tarnish the reputation of a good company. So the move might just be made to reduce that effect. Some times nubs assume that the market price = level of quality.
Removal Tool Vogon Deconstruction Fleet	Posted - 2008.06.25 01:45:00 - [49] but mostly because I like cheese! And cheese costs money. I hope I cleared that all up.
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.06.25 01:51:00 - [50] What fantasy land are you living in? CCP is a company. Company's charge their consumers as much as they can get away with. They are charging Europeans the going market-rate for MMO subscriptions. What CCP would like to do is increase the subscription cost in the US. The US dollar has been decreasing in value, therefore CCP has been making less off the US subscriptions then they did in the past. However, they know they cannot increase the amount they charge people in the US because it would exceed the going market-rate for MMOs in the US and drive away subscribers. It's the same reason Nintendo has been shipping more Wiis and Wii Fits to Europe then the US, because now they make less off the sales in the US because the US dollar is worth less. CCP is not going to give Europeans a discount because another country's currency devalues. That's just f-ing ********. Also, you are vastly oversimplifying the issue. Americans earn their salaries in US dollars and Europeans earn their salaries in Euros. EVERYTHING in the US is cheaper if you are using Euros to buy it. But Americans are not using Euros, they are using US dollars. If Americans could somehow earn their salary in Euros (which the vast majority don't) and then pay for their accounts in the US dollars, that would be an advantage. But that's not how it works. ----------------------------------------------------
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.25 02:21:00 - [51] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Thargat because we are richer? Not hard to have a stronger currency than the US Dollar when you've got half of Europe's economies backing it. This was expected, predicted even, when the Euro was conceived. I, for one, welcome my new Imperialist European masters... what language do I need to learn, again? By that logic the Pound shouldn't be stronger than the Euro. I suggest that CCP hire someone to adjust the price every day based on the monetary changes. That sounds like a great idea. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Hrian d'Fat Hrian Trading	Posted - 2008.06.25 02:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Messerschmitt facility Because the average salary in Europe is 2000 EUR. Average salary in US is 2000 USD. Therefore why each pays only 14.95 of their currency. Comprende? Okay, so if i live in a country, where the average salary is 120000 HUF, thats about 790 USD or 507 EUR. Based on the above logic, i should get the game for 3.76 EUR, as proportionally thats the same as what americans pay compared to their average salaries. As for the rest of you trolls: glad to see theres so many people with so much free time on their hands. I envy you really. Obviously you are paying in USD in some way or the other, either cuz you are living in the U.S. or you managed to use one of the methods with which you can trick CCP's billing system to believe you are living in the US. You can all do me a favor.
Nitakko Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.25 02:41:00 - [53] Originally by: Dirtball It cause we are driving in our 12 mpg suvs to our cabins 200 miles away to drive our dual v8 34 foot boats every weekend and we don't have as much money to play games. That's 12.1 mpg! We have Hybrids now.
Hrian d'Fat Hrian Trading	Posted - 2008.06.25 02:41:00 - [54] Originally by: An Anarchyyt I suggest that CCP hire someone to adjust the price every day based on the monetary changes. That sounds like a great idea. Somehow online shops manage to get around this every day.. i wonder how that might be.. oh yea, they charge you in one currency, and your bank converts it to your currency. That way they do not have to worry about changing their prices based on exchange rates, and ironically enough they do not have to worry about customers moaning about their stuff costing twice as much in one currency as it would cost in another.
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.25 03:07:00 - [55] Originally by: Hrian d'Fat Originally by: An Anarchyyt I suggest that CCP hire someone to adjust the price every day based on the monetary changes. That sounds like a great idea. Somehow online shops manage to get around this every day.. i wonder how that might be.. oh yea, they charge you in one currency, and your bank converts it to your currency. That way they do not have to worry about changing their prices based on exchange rates, and ironically enough they do not have to worry about customers moaning about their stuff costing twice as much in one currency as it would cost in another. That completely explains why there is only one Amazon site! I always wondered that. Thanks for informing me! YOu must be some sort of financial genius! I'd like to bring your amazing brain to Wall St, please come with me! Oh wait... Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Taedrin Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.25 03:24:00 - [56] Originally by: ShardowRhino American players are used to MMOs being $15. If you start going over that we are going to start reconsidering our subscriptions. This is correct. Get all of CCP's US competitors to raise their US prices, or lower their EU prices, and CCP will follow suit. However, if CCP were to raise US prices fact is, they would alienate their US market, and would lose a significant portion of their market share to their competitors. On the other hand, if CCP were to lower EU prices, would they gain any market share at all? You are dealing with a corporation here. Their ONLY concern is profit. The customer is only a means to an end. If they stand to make more money by alienating a portion of their customers, they will do that. Quote: Last time some euro tried taxing us over here we raised hell about it,tossed their precious tea into the drink for the effort. Not to forget all the RL pewpew that came after that. Over here companies can die real fast when their reputation gets soiled by trying to screw over customers. Someone over here always comes out of nowhere to offer the same goods/services at a better price. Uhhhhhhh... IIRC, the "official" complaint wasn't taxes. It was taxation without representation. Several of my old high school teachers also said something about the taxation of middlemen was doing something screwy with the price of tea, and was making the smuggling of "illegal" tea less profitable, and that was also a major cause of the Boston Tea Party.
Sethose Olderon The Plexus Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:16:00 - [57] Perhaps it's because the US Market is larger than the Euro Market? Perhaps CCP has higher prices in Europe to cover the costs in incurs providing it's services to you? If you have more of something, then you can charge a lower price to recover your losses and make a profit. However, if you reduce the quantity, the price you much charge to recover your losses and make a profit increases. Economics, it's not that hard. According to what resources I was able to find, and excluding the United Kingdom, the remainder of Europe holds 23.89% of the subscriber base, whereas the United States holds 37.06% 23.89% is 64.46% of 37.06% and if you add 64.4% to the price (as it would be in Euros, equally coverted ) of Ç9.63 you end up with Ç16.33. It's not far off, based upon the demographics. If my thoughts are correct, I would stop whinning as they could be charging you more. Corporate Owned Stargates
El'Niaga Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:25:00 - [58] European taxes are higher for now. However in order to meet projected growth of its many entitlement programs the United States will have to double to triple its taxes in the next 40 years (and this is without the proposed National Health Care the current presidential candidates are talking about).
Elirel	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:28:00 - [59] Originally by: Messerschmitt facility Because the average salary in Europe is 2000 EUR. Average salary in US is 2000 USD. Therefore why each pays only 14.95 of their currency. Comprende? Excuse me? Salaries vary A LOT around Europe. In my country average salary is about 800 euro. So we are screwed twice. Not only we getting paid less but we pay more as well, sucks eh?
Melor Rend	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:43:00 - [60] I also find it questionable why I should have to pay nearly 30% more (incl. VAT) for the same service. I used to be able to pay in USD but that was changed at some point in time. I wish CCP would simply give me this option back since neither Euro not Dollars are my local currency (so I have to pay money to the CC company either way for the exchange) and then I at least could chose which currency I want. If CCP is not ripping us EU-customers off then there is no good reason not to allow EU people to pay in dollars. If they are ripping us off then ofc they won't want to give us that option so we have to continue to fork out more then the US guys.

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