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dalman
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Posted - 2004.05.16 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 16/05/2004 15:38:45
 Originally by: Luther Pendragon
Do I understand correctly? Curse's enemies think that curse fights 'unfairly' because they fight in frigs while they themselves fight in battleships, but not only that, but that they are also scared of them?
Originally by: Kulach
dalman is always complaining if someone is not fighting according to his wishes.
However we don't care what he thinks of using mixed types of ships. If he wants a fight he will have to adjust his way of doing warfare (not just ad more warp core stabs) instead of crying on the forums.
As for him attacking outnumbered, well personally canÆt remember dalman ever being part of an engagement without having superior numbers.
It's easy to be tough on the forums, but to gain some credibility you will have to back it up in game...
To summarize: The days of BS fleets only are in the past dalman. Stop crying on the forums and do something about it.
You PERSONALLY can't remember.
I've been in fights were we were 2 BS who attacked 4 BS + 1 cr +1 fr of yours camping. "Of course" we didn't manage to kill any BS, but we popped the cr and fr and forced one of your BS to run with armor damage before we had to retreat.
I've warped in to attack 1vs2 BS.
I've attacked 1vs1 cruiser vs BS.
I've been in fights were we were 1 bs + 1 cr + 1 fr vs 2 BS, with the 2 CA BS running fast as ****.
When we raped CA in v-3 we were outnumbered about 25 vs 15 when the fight started (see videos of it).
I've been attacking your C4 mates in o5y where we were me in a BS + a frigate vs 7 of your pilots in cruisers/frigates (and you had more pilots (with battleships) docked in the station we were outside).
(just SOME examples)
As TWD and Bob already has stated, it doesn't have to do with "unfairly" or "mixed fleets".
It's about your frigate blobs. Cause it's no point to fight them. It always ends without a fight, just a blob war. It's BORING. And this is something I play to have fun.
If you come with a fleet of 30+ fr/ic 10 cruisers and 5 battleships (as you usually do), the ONLY way for us to fight you is by attacking you with 40-50 frigates ONLY. But then your few battleships would pull out.
Soon both sides would also realize that using "expensive" interceptors/cruisers ALSO is pointless. And we end up with everyone flying nothing but standard frigates.
Sry man, I know Duke is obsessed with winning, but not that all of CA is. I rather play a fun tie than a boring win. Cause I play to have FUN, not to win without having fun.
So, to the question:
"is curse fighting or not?"
- No, Curse is blobbing.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Kulach
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Posted - 2004.05.16 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan
Yes, I understand that you cannot say "Go home," but then you don't have to blob up in HLW waiting for the extra 30 for two hours before you attack, either.
Well Bob, as I think you know HLW is a home for many CA members and therefore there are a lot of afk members etc which explains why the blob is bigger than the force itself.
Another reason why a force is not moving until the blob is too big is logistic issues. Even if the plan is to roll out straight away someone always need equipment, ammo, bookmarks etc (almost like taking a family trip  ) and during the time it takes to sort out all these details more people wants to join in.
Believe it or not but itÆs rarely the intention to ôout blobö the opponentà
Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.05.16 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 16/05/2004 15:37:35
Quote:
Another reason why a force is not moving until the blob is too big is logistic issues. Even if the plan is to roll out straight away someone always need equipment, ammo, bookmarks etc (almost like taking a family trip ) and during the time it takes to sort out all these details more people wants to join in.
Believe it or not but itÆs rarely the intention to ôout blobö the opponent
Oh, I know, I remember. It's just that when I (or Sass, Lallante, Teel or Rainmain, etc) used to lead CA fleets, we'd just say "**** it, let's go. Anyone that's ready is free to join us." When most others would lead, they would wait for absolutely everyone. And since that would usually be too long of a wait, a small group of us would just leave the fleet and go in a small group of 3-6 into Stain or Catch, or go solo.
The problem is that you're all patient and not agressive enough. Everyone in my corp is arrogant, stubborn and impatient, and it works well for finding fights- but you just have to keep that mind when you're waiting on so and so to go 30 jumps round trip to pick up the smartbomb he forgot. Because sure, we're the agressors, but from what you all say the desire to fight is pretty mutual, at least for most of you.
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Kulach
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Posted - 2004.05.16 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan
Everyone in my corp is arrogant, stubborn and impatient, and it works well for finding fights.
Fair enough 
Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
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Zelota
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Posted - 2004.05.16 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan
Fighting battleships in frigs is fun, but we did it with 3-6. Coming in 30-60 just isn't as challenging, or fun (because they'll quickly stop fighting you)
bob my friend if germany would have made the allies bored and theyd leave germany then what you are saying is that germany would not have won the war they would have lost it?
bob you need to think befor you post stuff like that besides its all there colours and fansy stuff and it shows you geting OWNED
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.05.16 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 16/05/2004 16:25:03
I'm saying that we leave whenever our enemy starts boring us, and that you can't claim to be using our same tactics against us when you throw in 10 times as many people. Call it victory if we get bored and leave, whatever. I just want to have fun blowing up battleship fleets. And I can't load your movie.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.05.16 16:48:00 -
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Quote:
bob my friend if germany would have made the allies bored and theyd leave germany then what you are saying is that germany would not have won the war they would have lost it?
at the moment the situation, following your example, is as follows:
The whole German army + luftwaffe are cramped into 1 house in Berlin, and occasionally go out and attack allies when they are eating dinner at a local restaraunt.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.05.16 17:32:00 -
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Oooh Look!
a thread with CA arguing in it!
Aahhh its good to be back!
anyway so what have I missed? fill me in.
Sass
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.05.16 18:27:00 -
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Quick Sass unplug you monitor! if not your keyboard! dont lower yourself to their typing ways!!!!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.16 18:37:00 -
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dalman,
Is your only pleasure killing battleships? Should it not be the thrill of a fight?
If CA turn up in a 40-ship swarm of frigates you guys should just put the battleships away and go play in a frigate.
Sure, you don't cost them a battleship but you're a lot more likely to pod them which could get expensive if skills are lost.
Imagine how utterly chaotic 40 frigates versus 40 frigates would be and the f FUN you'd have.
imagine the fraps 
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2004.05.16 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 16/05/2004 19:10:16
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Colossus Technologies
The first and oldest corp in eve!
BadIronTree Head of Production
CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003:
Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode.
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CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2004.05.16 19:09:00 -
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all you have to do is look this photo :)
http://myeve.eve-online.com/screenshots/?screenID=4349
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Colossus Technologies
The first and oldest corp in eve!
BadIronTree Head of Production
CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003:
Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode.
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playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5)
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.05.16 19:18:00 -
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Josh, ehm...
If frigate fights worked the way they are supposed to, I wouldn't mind.
But when the fight only is decided by "who gets webbed and hit by a cruise missile first", there is no tactics and no skill in the fight. Aka no fun.
If they continue to fight in frigates I'll continue to podkill them when they come in small numbers and use their own tactic, ie log off, when they blob.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.16 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 16/05/2004 20:04:26
Yeah, frigate fights are over pretty quick.
At least it was for me when Leitari wtfpwned me in Yulai earlier 
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Xelios
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Posted - 2004.05.16 19:57:00 -
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Not to mention the lag in a 40 vs 40 frigate fight, which is made worse by the fact that frigate combat is very fast paced and even 2 or 3 seconds of module lag can mean your death.
I've only been online when a couple of the CA frigate swarms have come to DSS, but both times they've sent 60+ ships (90% frigates) to DSS, waited 10-20 mins, then headed back to Curse. Even if we wanted to fight a fleet like that we'd need more than 10 minutes to organize a 60 pilot counter offensive. It's just no fun right now, if I web you first you die, if you web me I die and that's the end of that.
And yes, if CA comes to DSS with a 40 battleship fleet like they do sometimes we may have to sit in a safe for a while, just like you would have to sit in a safe for a while if we were coming to HLW with a 40 battleship fleet. Both sides fight, both sides sometimes hide, it's part of war and I'd rather be called a safespotting coward than run into a one sided battle and have to withdraw with heavy losses.
At the end of the day I play this game for fun, and I'm sure most other people do as well, and the war with CA has been fun for me. Both sides have their ups and downs, just like any other war.
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Faramir
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Posted - 2004.05.16 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: CT BadIronTree
all you have to do is look this photo :)
http://myeve.eve-online.com/screenshots/?screenID=4349
Evolution fleet
Evolution had 51 BS's in 1 fleet in 1 spot when we jumped into YZ-LQL when m0o was there....
VERY LAGGY to say the least. People there will probably remember.
Understand why the big blob-fights are no fun?
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.05.16 20:01:00 -
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Isnt the definition of a carebear someone who thinks their way of playing is the only right way to play?
Look at all the cute carebears in this thread.
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Katchin
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Posted - 2004.05.16 20:20:00 -
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Ok my take on it:
1)The 30+ frig fleets:
-They ALWAYS get kills, people rarely or never get bored
-At worst, you lose 10mills worth
-They can respond to threats in B-VIP and U-Q in the same hour
-They are winning
Wheres the downside? Its Fun, its Effective and We win with it. Wouldnt we be stupid NOT to do it so as to give you a chance. If it was boring youd have a point
2) CA no longer being 'risky'.
Its simple, If you are defending you play defensive, if you are attacking you play offensive. Blobs work INCREDIBLY well against m0o because we have inexperienced players who will die in smaller fights. But other tactics work against others.
To claim we no longer take risks is ridiculous. Just a few hours ago, Me, Chow, Wildhope and MasterOb1 (all SNRA, no tacklers) took on 7 BS 3 Cruisers and 3 Frigs, with 32 in local, in Delve.
The result? 1 Tempest, 1 thorax downed. No losses. Station recaptured and enemy (all 21 of them) hiding at safespots.
Would you have gone in? who knows. But you cant claim we are pussies. Nor can you claim we are crap.
btw: cheers for the compliment.
Lallante - Proud to be S N R A.
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.05.16 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 16/05/2004 20:40:16
Eh, I like frigate fights.
Quote:
Blobs work INCREDIBLY well against m0o because we have inexperienced players who will die in smaller fights
If your main goal is to run your mouth like a ***** when you outnumber us 60-18, then sure, it's effective. If your main goal is to have a cool fight and beat the **** out of the enemy, then no. It's lame.
And nice work on the fight in Delve Lallante, who were you fighting? If it was CFS or SA, then you know we would have gone for it.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.16 20:59:00 -
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The whole Lallante/Katchin thing is very wierd.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.05.16 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
The whole Lallante/Katchin thing is very wierd.
What cos lallante got banned and has to use an alt to do the informationg minister thing?
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Lallante
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Posted - 2004.05.16 22:29:00 -
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Actually Im not banned.
I use Katchin as a spokesperson to avoid LordZap-funded Assasination attempts.
My points still stand: You dont take risks when you are fighting extremely good enemys, we dont either. Frigs are Fun, Fast, Disposable and actually get more kills than BSs.
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Walking Contradiction
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Posted - 2004.05.16 22:48:00 -
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So, when did CA start cooperating with pirates such as Corp 1?
Calling in more reinforcements eh?
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Sochin
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Posted - 2004.05.16 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Sochin on 16/05/2004 23:13:02
Edited by: Sochin on 16/05/2004 23:07:09
Why is it when m0o posts a video of them flying around in frigates ganking battleships they get hailed as pvp masters, but when CA does it we're labeled cowards.
We would LOVE to fight our enemies in a large battleship fleet engagement. The problems is our enemies are all busy hiding or running. I don't think m0o is even in CA space right now. EVOL just chains pirates for hours until we come to scare them off and steal their loot (Those 1200mm scouts were great guys, thanks). CELES camps e02 in battleships then runs to empire or logs off when we come down to fight them. The last 2 days have been boring as hell, because all of our enemies are hiding.
Example: Today is Sunday. Normally there is alot of action on sundays. Today, the biggest action so far was a small fight between CA and EVOL. Oh, and a couple enemy frigates came into VOL and we blew most of em up. CELES had a large fleet in e02, but they all logged off when we started closing in from two directions.
I don't want to hear any more crap about us flying frigates and fast cruisers, because thats the only way we can move fast enough to catch our enemies before they run to safespots or dock.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.05.16 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sochin
Edited by: Sochin on 16/05/2004 23:07:09
Why is it when m0o posts a video of them flying around in frigates ganking battleships they get hailed as pvp masters, but when CA does it we're labeled cowards.
think our 5 frigates + 1 battleship vs 4 enemy battleships (and killing 3)
and similar stuff is "a bit" different than your 20 frigates/cruisers vs 1 battleship. |
Javi
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Posted - 2004.05.16 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sassinak
Oooh Look!
a thread with CA arguing in it!
Aahhh its good to be back!
anyway so what have I missed? "fill me in".
--
"well..."
-Estarriol, Evolution AZN Calculat |
Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.05.16 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante
Actually Im not banned.
I use Katchin as a spokesperson to avoid LordZap-funded Assasination attempts.
My points still stand: You dont take risks when you are fighting extremely good enemys, we dont either. Frigs are Fun, Fast, Disposable and actually get more kills than BSs.
Don't flatter yourself.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.05.16 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Sochin
Edited by: Sochin on 16/05/2004 23:07:09
Why is it when m0o posts a video of them flying around in frigates ganking battleships they get hailed as pvp masters, but when CA does it we're labeled cowards.
think our 5 frigates + 1 battleship vs 4 enemy battleships (and killing 3)
and similar stuff is "a bit" different than your 20 frigates/cruisers vs 1 battleship.
nuff said really tbh
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Zelota
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Posted - 2004.05.17 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Zelota on 17/05/2004 00:52:40
m0o dosent want to fight ca caus ca dosent fight like m0o wants em to fight
now whats rong with that?
questions for m0o (lord zap)
1.Do you play chess like your enemy wants you to play chess?
2.Do you play by the rules? or are there no rules
3.Do you think that if you leave the chess table in a mid game you win?
answer these easy to answer questions please
o and please dont try to move peoples atention away from this mater by comenting on how Stupid,lame,bad spelling and ugly i am caus thats not what i am looking for
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.05.17 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zelota
Edited by: Zelota on 17/05/2004 00:52:40
m0o dosent want to fight ca caus ca dosent fight like m0o wants em to fight
now whats rong with that?
questions for m0o (lord zap)
1.Do you play chess like your enemy wants you to play chess?
2.Do you play by the rules? or are there no rules
3.Do you think that if you leave the chess table in a mid game you win?
answer these easy to answer questions please
Counter question for CA (Zelota)
* When you play chess, do you have the king in a special square which no other man/piece can get to? (like you have your battleships locked up inside a station)
 
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