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Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.16 02:15:00 - [1] Edited by: Zelota on 19/05/2004 14:23:36 Edited by: Zelota on 17/05/2004 20:05:32 Click here to see whats hapening in curse Lord zap on his never ending quest of pwnage This thread was about a move but now it has comendy,drama,humour,greef and smack talk!!! join the feest o and might i add all the blue boxes that we engage in the move is m0o corp just so they are visable for others to see and the one on two engagement in the video is mee against farmir and some crapy raven with torps.... a 2 on 1 wich i won ONE move causing so much CHAOS!!! and disorder!!! how can it be?you beter wach it to find out and to wach it is to know what is going on here folks Vid of the week
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.05.16 02:25:00 - [2] "..quoth the server, 404" _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Sochin	Posted - 2004.05.16 02:36:00 - [3] Yeah, my server is going insane and ***ing me off to no end. Apparently it likes to make uploaded files miraculously dissapear after being downloaded once. So, hold your horses as I upload it again. Nemo me impune lacessit*
Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.16 03:15:00 - [4] Edited by: Zelota on 16/05/2004 04:12:47 its all fixed now Vid of the week
dalman	Posted - 2004.05.16 03:51:00 - [5] Man, you really need to get the full fraps version if you're gonna make videos. And I wanted the "wrath cruise missile belonging to dalman[MASS] hits you doing 375.0 damage" message in the video removed the troll mode -Eris Discordia M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.16 04:28:00 - [6] Edited by: Zelota on 16/05/2004 04:31:03 dalman i cant i dont have a cpu that has see instructions other wize my movies would kick more ass...but i gues im geting beter with the camera and hwo knows maby i will buy a new cpu so i can use 2.0 fraps and record full screen and kick even more ass than i do right now and for that msg....well you only blew up one of my caracoals but then again i have taken down aloot of battle ships in it and i realy think the price i payed for all those kills were well worht it Vid of the week
Diamond Dog	Posted - 2004.05.16 04:40:00 - [7] Edited by: Diamond Dog on 16/05/2004 05:08:06 CA is all blobs tbh.. Grats Btw Zelota is this dl icelandic or hosted in some foreign country ________________________________________
slip66	Posted - 2004.05.16 05:44:00 - [8] as more people in CA has taken up weaons" should be replaced with "...as most people in CA has already been podded and can't afford new implants/battleships they are now fighting in frigates That is in jest i hope? Do you want 50 bs or 50 frigs and cruisers? :) Your right diamond we have been in some very large groups lately, they put the call out and peeps come out of the wood work espcially on the weekends. No one wants to give a foe a chance to get in position. We did get a skorp at the station in addition to the couple of frigs so it was worth the trip(not trying to trolling here).
Faramir	Posted - 2004.05.16 06:29:00 - [9] Quote: and the one on two engagement in the video is mee against farmir and some crapy raven with torps.... a 2 on 1 wich i won How exactly did you win the 2vs1? As i recall, neither of us died.... and you did If you want to "win" a 2vs1, you might want to equip modules like warpjammers or disruptors instead of tanking yourself completely and then think you won. At the end of that battle you were flying in a pod and we were collecting your loot and Night's loot. If you want to call that a victory then i get why CA is "winning"
dalman	Posted - 2004.05.16 12:13:00 - [10] Edited by: dalman on 16/05/2004 12:17:02 Originally by: slip66 Originally by: dalman as more people in CA has taken up weaons" should be replaced with "...as most people in CA has already been podded and can't afford new implants/battleships they are now fighting in frigates That is in jest i hope? Do you want 50 bs or 50 frigs and cruisers? :) Are you kidding me or don't you get it at all? I want 50 BS. Not 50 frigates. If we have 25 BS and you come with 50 BS, we can win that by using better tactics. We've beaten you while outnumbered before. But if you have 50 frigates, attacking is a loose-loose situation for us. There's no way we'll fight you then. Only result of that is 25 bored SA pilots and 50 bored CA pilots. Oh, and btw slip66, we killed a CA raven before you responded, so yesterday still was 25 SA pilots killing 1 raven and 45 CA pilots killing 1 Scorp M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
CKOZUK	Posted - 2004.05.16 12:30:00 - [11] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 16/05/2004 12:17:02 Originally by: slip66 Originally by: dalman as more people in CA has taken up weaons" should be replaced with "...as most people in CA has already been podded and can't afford new implants/battleships they are now fighting in frigates That is in jest i hope? Do you want 50 bs or 50 frigs and cruisers? :) Are you kidding me or don't you get it at all? I want 50 BS. Not 50 frigates. If we have 25 BS and you come with 50 BS, we can win that by using better tactics. We've beaten you while outnumbered before. But if you have 50 frigates, attacking is a loose-loose situation for us. There's no way we'll fight you then. Only result of that is 25 bored SA pilots and 50 bored CA pilots. LOL to many frigs? Your problem not ours as for bored CA pilots nah thats the beauty if you guys do your usual thang and run to safe spots and log off/sit there then our frig/cruiser fleet can be 25 jumps away at the action in 10-15mins :P The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
TWD	Posted - 2004.05.16 13:29:00 - [12] Originally by: CKOZUK Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 16/05/2004 12:17:02 Originally by: slip66 Originally by: dalman as more people in CA has taken up weaons" should be replaced with "...as most people in CA has already been podded and can't afford new implants/battleships they are now fighting in frigates That is in jest i hope? Do you want 50 bs or 50 frigs and cruisers? :) Are you kidding me or don't you get it at all? I want 50 BS. Not 50 frigates. If we have 25 BS and you come with 50 BS, we can win that by using better tactics. We've beaten you while outnumbered before. But if you have 50 frigates, attacking is a loose-loose situation for us. There's no way we'll fight you then. Only result of that is 25 bored SA pilots and 50 bored CA pilots. LOL to many frigs? Your problem not ours as for bored CA pilots nah thats the beauty if you guys do your usual thang and run to safe spots and log off/sit there then our frig/cruiser fleet can be 25 jumps away at the action in 10-15mins :P so you guys rather want to gank ships than have a fleet battle?
Kulach	Posted - 2004.05.16 13:50:00 - [13] Originally by: TWD Originally by: CKOZUK Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 16/05/2004 12:17:02 Originally by: slip66 Originally by: dalman as more people in CA has taken up weaons" should be replaced with "...as most people in CA has already been podded and can't afford new implants/battleships they are now fighting in frigates That is in jest i hope? Do you want 50 bs or 50 frigs and cruisers? :) Are you kidding me or don't you get it at all? I want 50 BS. Not 50 frigates. If we have 25 BS and you come with 50 BS, we can win that by using better tactics. We've beaten you while outnumbered before. But if you have 50 frigates, attacking is a loose-loose situation for us. There's no way we'll fight you then. Only result of that is 25 bored SA pilots and 50 bored CA pilots. LOL to many frigs? Your problem not ours as for bored CA pilots nah thats the beauty if you guys do your usual thang and run to safe spots and log off/sit there then our frig/cruiser fleet can be 25 jumps away at the action in 10-15mins :P so you guys rather want to gank ships than have a fleet battle? I think you need to read CKOZUK reply again TWD. dalman is always complaining if someone is not fighting according to his wishes. However we don't care what he thinks of using mixed types of ships. If he wants a fight he will have to adjust his way of doing warfare (not just ad more warp core stabs) instead of crying on the forums. As for him attacking outnumbered, well personally canÆt remember dalman ever being part of an engagement without having superior numbers. It's easy to be tough on the forums, but to gain some credibility you will have to back it up in game... To summarize: The days of BS fleets only are in the past dalman. Stop crying on the forums and do something about it. Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.16 13:56:00 - [14] Edited by: Zelota on 16/05/2004 13:59:50 Originally by: Faramir Quote: and the one on two engagement in the video is mee against farmir and some crapy raven with torps.... a 2 on 1 wich i won How exactly did you win the 2vs1? As i recall, neither of us died.... and you did If you want to "win" a 2vs1, you might want to equip modules like warpjammers or disruptors instead of tanking yourself completely and then think you won. At the end of that battle you were flying in a pod and we were collecting your loot and Night's loot. If you want to call that a victory then i get why CA is "winning" it wasent until you brought in the 3rd bs that i died mate besides id be glad to do a one on one with you faramir if you feel like it mate Vid of the week
Luther Pendragon	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:01:00 - [15] Do I understand correctly? Curse's enemies think that curse fights 'unfairly' because they fight in frigs while they themselves fight in battleships, but not only that, but that they are also scared of them? ____________________________________ Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi! waves his hand in your face in the jedi way
Estarriol	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Luther Pendragon Do I understand correctly? Apparently not.
Estarriol	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Zelota it wasent until you brought in the 3rd bs that i died mate So, would you consider it a 'moral' victory? Quote: besides id be glad to do a one on one with you faramir if you feel like it mate And this salvages the credibility of your original assertion... how? More fight, less bluster guys... this goes for everyone.
Luther Pendragon	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Estarriol Originally by: Luther Pendragon Do I understand correctly? Apparently not. Really? Thank you for the clarification. ____________________________________ Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi! waves his hand in your face in the jedi way
Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Estarriol Originally by: Zelota it wasent until you brought in the 3rd bs that i died mate So, would you consider it a 'moral' victory? Quote: besides id be glad to do a one on one with you faramir if you feel like it mate And this salvages the credibility of your original assertion... how? More fight, less bluster guys... this goes for everyone. you greef about having un fair fights agenst you and then you greef even more over a 2 on 1 fight wich turned into a 3 on one?......Whats the problem bro its on the film every body can see it you cant deny it Vid of the week
Faramir	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:22:00 - [20] Quote: it wasent until you brought in the 3rd bs that i died mate You are correct in the fact that you didn't die till the 3rd BS arrived. However this 2rd BS only fired 1 shot and you were dead. The fact remains that no matter how you twist it you still lost. And thx for the offer for a 1vs1 but I'll pass.
TWD	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Kulach I think you need to read CKOZUK reply again TWD. the point is, there is no point in fighting a cruiser/frigate fleet when you are in battleships. the only losses that count in a battle are battleships. like one of you guys said, when its 20 battleships vs 20 frigates, and the frigate pilots manage to take out 1 battleship, but loose all their frigates.. the frigate pilots still have a victory. ofcourse it is not unfair to roam around in frigate/cruiser fleets and ganking stuff, we do it too. but doing fleet battles is more fun. (battleships vs battleships + a couple frigates/cruisers)
Mechanix	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Diamond Dog Edited by: Diamond Dog on 16/05/2004 05:08:06 CA is all blobs tbh.. /me hijacks thread..... I've never understood this anti blob war thing. Large scale fleet engagements are FUN. It's not the fault of pilots involved that sometimes the servers cant handle it. Deploying loads of drones, planting mines 200k from gates, deliberately lagging the game is lame. But wanting large scale engagements is not.
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:54:00 - [23] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 16/05/2004 12:17:02 Originally by: slip66 Originally by: dalman as more people in CA has taken up weaons" should be replaced with "...as most people in CA has already been podded and can't afford new implants/battleships they are now fighting in frigates That is in jest i hope? Do you want 50 bs or 50 frigs and cruisers? :) Are you kidding me or don't you get it at all? I want 50 BS. Not 50 frigates. If we have 25 BS and you come with 50 BS, we can win that by using better tactics. We've beaten you while outnumbered before. But if you have 50 frigates, attacking is a loose-loose situation for us. There's no way we'll fight you then. Only result of that is 25 bored SA pilots and 50 bored CA pilots. Oh, and btw slip66, we killed a CA raven before you responded, so yesterday still was 25 SA pilots killing 1 raven and 45 CA pilots killing 1 Scorp So you get the point. If we came in 50 battleships, you would not beat us, no indeed you would not even fight. You'd log and probably make a smarky remark about us wasting our time in your space with 50 battleships. Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:54:00 - [24] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 16/05/2004 12:17:02 Originally by: slip66 Originally by: dalman as more people in CA has taken up weaons" should be replaced with "...as most people in CA has already been podded and can't afford new implants/battleships they are now fighting in frigates That is in jest i hope? Do you want 50 bs or 50 frigs and cruisers? :) Are you kidding me or don't you get it at all? I want 50 BS. Not 50 frigates. If we have 25 BS and you come with 50 BS, we can win that by using better tactics. We've beaten you while outnumbered before. But if you have 50 frigates, attacking is a loose-loose situation for us. There's no way we'll fight you then. Only result of that is 25 bored SA pilots and 50 bored CA pilots. Oh, and btw slip66, we killed a CA raven before you responded, so yesterday still was 25 SA pilots killing 1 raven and 45 CA pilots killing 1 Scorp So you get the point. If we came in 50 battleships, you would not beat us, no indeed you would not even fight. You'd log and probably make a smarky remark about us wasting our time in your space with 50 battleships. Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.05.16 14:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Faramir Quote: it wasent until you brought in the 3rd bs that i died mate You are correct in the fact that you didn't die till the 3rd BS arrived. However this 2rd BS only fired 1 shot and you were dead. The fact remains that no matter how you twist it you still lost. And thx for the offer for a 1vs1 but I'll pass. Why pass? If you managed too own him while he was tanked, i think this is a perfect oppurtunity to silence and enemey and inflate the evolution ego. edited by Eris Discordia Reverend Necrona
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.05.16 15:00:00 - [26] So, come in 20. You make it seem as if you only have 2 options Fighting battleships in frigs is fun, but we did it with 3-6. Coming in 30-60 just isn't as challenging, or fun (because they'll quickly stop fighting you)
CKOZUK	Posted - 2004.05.16 15:03:00 - [27] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan So, come in 20. You make it seem as if you only have 2 options Fighting battleships in frigs is fun, but we did it with 3-6. Coming in 30-60 just isn't as challenging, or fun (because they'll quickly stop fighting you) So when people gather to fight we are supposed to say NO sorry you can't come? As I said earlier its your problem not ours. The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.05.16 15:05:00 - [28] well when you don't get any fights, im pretty sure its your problem.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.05.16 15:08:00 - [29] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 16/05/2004 15:12:11 Yes, I understand that you cannot say "Go home," but then you don't have to blob up in HLW waiting for the extra 30 for two hours before you attack, either. The CA has never been very quick to organize, because it's made up of scores of different corps. It's as if you'd prefer grabbing a screenshot of us warping away to a battle where we actually get to shoot things. Oh well, we still get our battles, just not the nice large fleet ones like we did in Fountain.
Kulach	Posted - 2004.05.16 15:09:00 - [30] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Kulach I think you need to read CKOZUK reply again TWD. the point is, there is no point in fighting a cruiser/frigate fleet when you are in battleships. the only losses that count in a battle are battleships. like one of you guys said, when its 20 battleships vs 20 frigates, and the frigate pilots manage to take out 1 battleship, but loose all their frigates.. the frigate pilots still have a victory. ofcourse it is not unfair to roam around in frigate/cruiser fleets and ganking stuff, we do it too. but doing fleet battles is more fun. (battleships vs battleships + a couple frigates/cruisers) Well I got to agree on part of what you are saying. Fleet battles are fun. Though if we bring up a force of BS to SA space etc they will not fight (regardless what dalman is saying). However complaining over other players way of using ships etc like dalman is doing is lame. The only way to counter it is to come up with a plan to make sure the opponent is halted in his actions etc. There are no set rules of engagement in EVE. Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
dalman	Posted - 2004.05.16 15:22:00 - [31] Edited by: dalman on 16/05/2004 15:38:45 Originally by: Luther Pendragon Do I understand correctly? Curse's enemies think that curse fights 'unfairly' because they fight in frigs while they themselves fight in battleships, but not only that, but that they are also scared of them? Originally by: Kulach dalman is always complaining if someone is not fighting according to his wishes. However we don't care what he thinks of using mixed types of ships. If he wants a fight he will have to adjust his way of doing warfare (not just ad more warp core stabs) instead of crying on the forums. As for him attacking outnumbered, well personally canÆt remember dalman ever being part of an engagement without having superior numbers. It's easy to be tough on the forums, but to gain some credibility you will have to back it up in game... To summarize: The days of BS fleets only are in the past dalman. Stop crying on the forums and do something about it. You PERSONALLY can't remember. I've been in fights were we were 2 BS who attacked 4 BS + 1 cr +1 fr of yours camping. "Of course" we didn't manage to kill any BS, but we popped the cr and fr and forced one of your BS to run with armor damage before we had to retreat. I've warped in to attack 1vs2 BS. I've attacked 1vs1 cruiser vs BS. I've been in fights were we were 1 bs + 1 cr + 1 fr vs 2 BS, with the 2 CA BS running fast as ****. When we raped CA in v-3 we were outnumbered about 25 vs 15 when the fight started (see videos of it). I've been attacking your C4 mates in o5y where we were me in a BS + a frigate vs 7 of your pilots in cruisers/frigates (and you had more pilots (with battleships) docked in the station we were outside). (just SOME examples) As TWD and Bob already has stated, it doesn't have to do with "unfairly" or "mixed fleets". It's about your frigate blobs. Cause it's no point to fight them. It always ends without a fight, just a blob war. It's BORING. And this is something I play to have fun. If you come with a fleet of 30+ fr/ic 10 cruisers and 5 battleships (as you usually do), the ONLY way for us to fight you is by attacking you with 40-50 frigates ONLY. But then your few battleships would pull out. Soon both sides would also realize that using "expensive" interceptors/cruisers ALSO is pointless. And we end up with everyone flying nothing but standard frigates. Sry man, I know Duke is obsessed with winning, but not that all of CA is. I rather play a fun tie than a boring win. Cause I play to have FUN, not to win without having fun. So, to the question: "is curse fighting or not?" - No, Curse is blobbing. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Kulach	Posted - 2004.05.16 15:22:00 - [32] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Yes, I understand that you cannot say "Go home," but then you don't have to blob up in HLW waiting for the extra 30 for two hours before you attack, either. Well Bob, as I think you know HLW is a home for many CA members and therefore there are a lot of afk members etc which explains why the blob is bigger than the force itself. Another reason why a force is not moving until the blob is too big is logistic issues. Even if the plan is to roll out straight away someone always need equipment, ammo, bookmarks etc (almost like taking a family trip ) and during the time it takes to sort out all these details more people wants to join in. Believe it or not but itÆs rarely the intention to ôout blobö the opponentà Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.05.16 15:28:00 - [33] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 16/05/2004 15:37:35 Quote: Another reason why a force is not moving until the blob is too big is logistic issues. Even if the plan is to roll out straight away someone always need equipment, ammo, bookmarks etc (almost like taking a family trip ) and during the time it takes to sort out all these details more people wants to join in. Believe it or not but itÆs rarely the intention to ôout blobö the opponent Oh, I know, I remember. It's just that when I (or Sass, Lallante, Teel or Rainmain, etc) used to lead CA fleets, we'd just say "**** it, let's go. Anyone that's ready is free to join us." When most others would lead, they would wait for absolutely everyone. And since that would usually be too long of a wait, a small group of us would just leave the fleet and go in a small group of 3-6 into Stain or Catch, or go solo. The problem is that you're all patient and not agressive enough. Everyone in my corp is arrogant, stubborn and impatient, and it works well for finding fights- but you just have to keep that mind when you're waiting on so and so to go 30 jumps round trip to pick up the smartbomb he forgot. Because sure, we're the agressors, but from what you all say the desire to fight is pretty mutual, at least for most of you.
Kulach	Posted - 2004.05.16 15:36:00 - [34] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Everyone in my corp is arrogant, stubborn and impatient, and it works well for finding fights. Fair enough Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.16 16:10:00 - [35] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Fighting battleships in frigs is fun, but we did it with 3-6. Coming in 30-60 just isn't as challenging, or fun (because they'll quickly stop fighting you) bob my friend if germany would have made the allies bored and theyd leave germany then what you are saying is that germany would not have won the war they would have lost it? bob you need to think befor you post stuff like that besides its all there colours and fansy stuff and it shows you geting OWNED Vid of the week
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.05.16 16:21:00 - [36] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 16/05/2004 16:25:03 I'm saying that we leave whenever our enemy starts boring us, and that you can't claim to be using our same tactics against us when you throw in 10 times as many people. Call it victory if we get bored and leave, whatever. I just want to have fun blowing up battleship fleets. And I can't load your movie.
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.05.16 16:48:00 - [37] Quote: bob my friend if germany would have made the allies bored and theyd leave germany then what you are saying is that germany would not have won the war they would have lost it? at the moment the situation, following your example, is as follows: The whole German army + luftwaffe are cramped into 1 house in Berlin, and occasionally go out and attack allies when they are eating dinner at a local restaraunt.
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.05.16 17:32:00 - [38] Oooh Look! a thread with CA arguing in it! Aahhh its good to be back! anyway so what have I missed? fill me in. Sass Arcane Technologies
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.05.16 18:27:00 - [39] Quick Sass unplug you monitor! if not your keyboard! dont lower yourself to their typing ways!!!!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.16 18:37:00 - [40] dalman, Is your only pleasure killing battleships? Should it not be the thrill of a fight? If CA turn up in a 40-ship swarm of frigates you guys should just put the battleships away and go play in a frigate. Sure, you don't cost them a battleship but you're a lot more likely to pod them which could get expensive if skills are lost. Imagine how utterly chaotic 40 frigates versus 40 frigates would be and the f FUN you'd have. imagine the fraps LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.05.16 19:08:00 - [41] Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 16/05/2004 19:10:16 deleted ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.05.16 19:09:00 - [42] all you have to do is look this photo :) http://myeve.eve-online.com/screenshots/?screenID=4349 ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
dalman	Posted - 2004.05.16 19:18:00 - [43] Josh, ehm... If frigate fights worked the way they are supposed to, I wouldn't mind. But when the fight only is decided by "who gets webbed and hit by a cruise missile first", there is no tactics and no skill in the fight. Aka no fun. If they continue to fight in frigates I'll continue to podkill them when they come in small numbers and use their own tactic, ie log off, when they blob. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.16 19:21:00 - [44] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 16/05/2004 20:04:26 Yeah, frigate fights are over pretty quick. At least it was for me when Leitari wtfpwned me in Yulai earlier LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Xelios	Posted - 2004.05.16 19:57:00 - [45] Not to mention the lag in a 40 vs 40 frigate fight, which is made worse by the fact that frigate combat is very fast paced and even 2 or 3 seconds of module lag can mean your death. I've only been online when a couple of the CA frigate swarms have come to DSS, but both times they've sent 60+ ships (90% frigates) to DSS, waited 10-20 mins, then headed back to Curse. Even if we wanted to fight a fleet like that we'd need more than 10 minutes to organize a 60 pilot counter offensive. It's just no fun right now, if I web you first you die, if you web me I die and that's the end of that. And yes, if CA comes to DSS with a 40 battleship fleet like they do sometimes we may have to sit in a safe for a while, just like you would have to sit in a safe for a while if we were coming to HLW with a 40 battleship fleet. Both sides fight, both sides sometimes hide, it's part of war and I'd rather be called a safespotting coward than run into a one sided battle and have to withdraw with heavy losses. At the end of the day I play this game for fun, and I'm sure most other people do as well, and the war with CA has been fun for me. Both sides have their ups and downs, just like any other war.
Faramir	Posted - 2004.05.16 20:01:00 - [46] Originally by: CT BadIronTree all you have to do is look this photo :) http://myeve.eve-online.com/screenshots/?screenID=4349 Evolution fleet Evolution had 51 BS's in 1 fleet in 1 spot when we jumped into YZ-LQL when m0o was there.... VERY LAGGY to say the least. People there will probably remember. Understand why the big blob-fights are no fun?
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.05.16 20:01:00 - [47] Isnt the definition of a carebear someone who thinks their way of playing is the only right way to play? Look at all the cute carebears in this thread.
Katchin	Posted - 2004.05.16 20:20:00 - [48] Ok my take on it: 1)The 30+ frig fleets: -They ALWAYS get kills, people rarely or never get bored -At worst, you lose 10mills worth -They can respond to threats in B-VIP and U-Q in the same hour -They are winning Wheres the downside? Its Fun, its Effective and We win with it. Wouldnt we be stupid NOT to do it so as to give you a chance. If it was boring youd have a point 2) CA no longer being 'risky'. Its simple, If you are defending you play defensive, if you are attacking you play offensive. Blobs work INCREDIBLY well against m0o because we have inexperienced players who will die in smaller fights. But other tactics work against others. To claim we no longer take risks is ridiculous. Just a few hours ago, Me, Chow, Wildhope and MasterOb1 (all SNRA, no tacklers) took on 7 BS 3 Cruisers and 3 Frigs, with 32 in local, in Delve. The result? 1 Tempest, 1 thorax downed. No losses. Station recaptured and enemy (all 21 of them) hiding at safespots. Would you have gone in? who knows. But you cant claim we are pussies. Nor can you claim we are crap. btw: cheers for the compliment. Lallante - Proud to be S N R A.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.05.16 20:35:00 - [49] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 16/05/2004 20:40:16 Eh, I like frigate fights. Quote: Blobs work INCREDIBLY well against m0o because we have inexperienced players who will die in smaller fights If your main goal is to run your mouth like a *** when you outnumber us 60-18, then sure, it's effective. If your main goal is to have a cool fight and beat the ** out of the enemy, then no. It's lame. And nice work on the fight in Delve Lallante, who were you fighting? If it was CFS or SA, then you know we would have gone for it.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.16 20:59:00 - [50] The whole Lallante/Katchin thing is very wierd. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.05.16 21:09:00 - [51] Originally by: Joshua Calvert The whole Lallante/Katchin thing is very wierd. What cos lallante got banned and has to use an alt to do the informationg minister thing?
Lallante	Posted - 2004.05.16 22:29:00 - [52] Actually Im not banned. I use Katchin as a spokesperson to avoid LordZap-funded Assasination attempts. My points still stand: You dont take risks when you are fighting extremely good enemys, we dont either. Frigs are Fun, Fast, Disposable and actually get more kills than BSs. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.05.16 22:48:00 - [53] So, when did CA start cooperating with pirates such as Corp 1? Calling in more reinforcements eh?
Sochin	Posted - 2004.05.16 23:05:00 - [54] Edited by: Sochin on 16/05/2004 23:13:02 Edited by: Sochin on 16/05/2004 23:07:09 Why is it when m0o posts a video of them flying around in frigates ganking battleships they get hailed as pvp masters, but when CA does it we're labeled cowards. We would LOVE to fight our enemies in a large battleship fleet engagement. The problems is our enemies are all busy hiding or running. I don't think m0o is even in CA space right now. EVOL just chains pirates for hours until we come to scare them off and steal their loot (Those 1200mm scouts were great guys, thanks). CELES camps e02 in battleships then runs to empire or logs off when we come down to fight them. The last 2 days have been boring as hell, because all of our enemies are hiding. Example: Today is Sunday. Normally there is alot of action on sundays. Today, the biggest action so far was a small fight between CA and EVOL. Oh, and a couple enemy frigates came into VOL and we blew most of em up. CELES had a large fleet in e02, but they all logged off when we started closing in from two directions. I don't want to hear any more crap about us flying frigates and fast cruisers, because thats the only way we can move fast enough to catch our enemies before they run to safespots or dock. Nemo me impune lacessit
TWD	Posted - 2004.05.16 23:14:00 - [55] Originally by: Sochin Edited by: Sochin on 16/05/2004 23:07:09 Why is it when m0o posts a video of them flying around in frigates ganking battleships they get hailed as pvp masters, but when CA does it we're labeled cowards. think our 5 frigates + 1 battleship vs 4 enemy battleships (and killing 3) and similar stuff is "a bit" different than your 20 frigates/cruisers vs 1 battleship.
Javi	Posted - 2004.05.16 23:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Sassinak Oooh Look! a thread with CA arguing in it! Aahhh its good to be back! anyway so what have I missed? "fill me in". -- "well..." -Estarriol, Evolution AZN Calculat
Lord Zap	Posted - 2004.05.16 23:31:00 - [57] Originally by: Lallante Actually Im not banned. I use Katchin as a spokesperson to avoid LordZap-funded Assasination attempts. My points still stand: You dont take risks when you are fighting extremely good enemys, we dont either. Frigs are Fun, Fast, Disposable and actually get more kills than BSs. Don't flatter yourself.
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.05.16 23:31:00 - [58] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Sochin Edited by: Sochin on 16/05/2004 23:07:09 Why is it when m0o posts a video of them flying around in frigates ganking battleships they get hailed as pvp masters, but when CA does it we're labeled cowards. think our 5 frigates + 1 battleship vs 4 enemy battleships (and killing 3) and similar stuff is "a bit" different than your 20 frigates/cruisers vs 1 battleship. nuff said really tbh Sass Arcane Technologies
Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.17 00:50:00 - [59] Edited by: Zelota on 17/05/2004 00:52:40 m0o dosent want to fight ca caus ca dosent fight like m0o wants em to fight now whats rong with that? questions for m0o (lord zap) 1.Do you play chess like your enemy wants you to play chess? 2.Do you play by the rules? or are there no rules 3.Do you think that if you leave the chess table in a mid game you win? answer these easy to answer questions please o and please dont try to move peoples atention away from this mater by comenting on how Stupid,lame,bad spelling and ugly i am caus thats not what i am looking for Vid of the week
dalman	Posted - 2004.05.17 02:50:00 - [60] Originally by: Zelota Edited by: Zelota on 17/05/2004 00:52:40 m0o dosent want to fight ca caus ca dosent fight like m0o wants em to fight now whats rong with that? questions for m0o (lord zap) 1.Do you play chess like your enemy wants you to play chess? 2.Do you play by the rules? or are there no rules 3.Do you think that if you leave the chess table in a mid game you win? answer these easy to answer questions please Counter question for CA (Zelota) * When you play chess, do you have the king in a special square which no other man/piece can get to? (like you have your battleships locked up inside a station) M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.05.17 03:57:00 - [61] Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 17/05/2004 03:59:01 What is the actual point to the arguement? The CA now thanks to m0o and that is no longer a fat vulgar alliance eating away at the fields of bistot and arkonor that it sat on. I admit that there was a time, we were. Now the CA is, as i see it, reshaping itself using the pressure of these enemies. Now the CA and please be as insulted as you can be from this "outsmarted" you. We used a "different tactic". It's easy to see it is effective simply because you are on here complaining of that "different tactic" instead of mouthing off (as you all so eliquently do) when you "outsmart" us. Listen to Joshua dalman, you might learn a thing or two. m0o will probably claim boredom and move on, hopefully remaining in the game b/c their a fine addition too it, but will move onto other things, killing battleships most likey. Evolution may do the same, i assume so - play the boredom card and move on. Probably maintaining hostilities with curse but moving onto other targets as well. Good addition to the game like m0o so hope they don't leave it (yea i had to spit after saying that). SA - will continue it's war on CA, these guys will always be there and i see no end to our conflict, SA has gained from CA's many fronts and had time to grow. So we can no doubt expect some more resitance from then. Celsest and Xanadu i don't know too much about so cannot really say where they will go. Probably also move on claiming boredom. Now if anything it's insulting to say that we made you bored so you moved on. We only used the game mechanics, look at the caldari vs gallante war. Look at the way the caldari were able to gain the upper hand early on using fast moving frigates. Cavalry hit and runs against the large and slow moving gallante capital ships were effective and thus handed the caldari more victories. The gallante repelled this later in the war using drones and what not. You see where i am getting with this? We've smipled added a new dimention in combat to eve that was made possible with the addition of castor. Now this is getting nurfed (just like m0o's damage mods did and evolutions ctrl + space bar to stop war and stopping u from being targeted 'tactic'). CCP are balancing it. I'm sure as CCP alter the game and the way combat changes we'll see new tactics and hopefully less people complaining about them. It's (and i related to something that has been mentioned many times in this post) a game of chess. We've simple produced a new move... deal with it. Reverend Necrona
Stained	Posted - 2004.05.17 04:05:00 - [62] Edited by: Stained on 17/05/2004 04:08:34 Originally by: Sochin Edited by: Sochin on 16/05/2004 23:13:02 Edited by: Sochin on 16/05/2004 23:07:09 Why is it when m0o posts a video of them flying around in frigates ganking battleships they get hailed as pvp masters, but when CA does it we're labeled cowards. We would LOVE to fight our enemies in a large battleship fleet engagement. The problems is our enemies are all busy hiding or running. I don't think m0o is even in CA space right now. EVOL just chains pirates for hours until we come to scare them off and steal their loot (Those 1200mm scouts were great guys, thanks). CELES camps e02 in battleships then runs to empire or logs off when we come down to fight them. The last 2 days have been boring as hell, because all of our enemies are hiding. Example: Today is Sunday. Normally there is alot of action on sundays. Today, the biggest action so far was a small fight between CA and EVOL. Oh, and a couple enemy frigates came into VOL and we blew most of em up. CELES had a large fleet in e02, but they all logged off when we started closing in from two directions. I don't want to hear any more crap about us flying frigates and fast cruisers, because thats the only way we can move fast enough to catch our enemies before they run to safespots or dock. We are hailed because we have proven ourselves as talented BS fighters. We can get into any ship and still be deadly, you on the other hand can not. Besides you obviously don't know wtf your talking about so I'll just leave you to ponder your own questions/statements. ___________________________________________________________________ Hair is Over-rated.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.05.17 04:21:00 - [63] Originally by: Reverend Necrona [Evolution may do the same, i assume so - play the boredom card and move on. Probably maintaining hostilities with curse but moving onto other targets as well. Good addition to the game like m0o so hope they don't leave it (yea i had to spit after saying that). OMG I SAW THAT!!! I knew you were a closet Evol fan at heart.... p.s. To everyone else, Nec knows I am teasing, so like, no replies needed. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.05.17 04:23:00 - [64] Your fast today Prophet :D Reverend Necrona
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.05.17 04:26:00 - [65] Quote: p.s. To everyone else, Nec knows I am teasing, so like, no replies needed. Whats that supposed to mean???!!!!! ()
Tobruk	Posted - 2004.05.17 05:17:00 - [66] Edited by: Tobruk on 17/05/2004 05:23:56 Originally by: TWD Originally by: Kulach I think you need to read CKOZUK reply again TWD. the point is, there is no point in fighting a cruiser/frigate fleet when you are in battleships. the only losses that count in a battle are battleships. like one of you guys said, when its 20 battleships vs 20 frigates, and the frigate pilots manage to take out 1 battleship, but loose all their frigates.. the frigate pilots still have a victory. ofcourse it is not unfair to roam around in frigate/cruiser fleets and ganking stuff, we do it too. but doing fleet battles is more fun. (battleships vs battleships + a couple frigates/cruisers) only problem was you were no where to be found this weekend. curse had to fly all over ctach to get a fight out of anyone and you faild to form a single counter attack. YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE ATTACKING US, you want a fleet battle make one. from what ive seen the only enemy people who can make a fleet any more is celes and reiuku (bad sp i know). THE SAD PART: your invading curse and your the ones whining the other sad part; your invading us and you have to play by our rules (sorry dal). ----------------------------------------------
Xelios	Posted - 2004.05.17 05:39:00 - [67] I can't speak for other people, but I don't expect CA to 'play my way'. I never did and I would never ask them to. The way you play the game is up to you. All I said was if they want to play around in 40+ frigate fleets that's fine, I won't bother fighting that though. Your choice really, you can either continue to fly around in fleets of disposable ships and be lucky to kill a battleship that happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or we can go back to reasonable sized mixed fleets like we had 3 weeks ago and have some actual fun fights. It's up to you.
sutty	Posted - 2004.05.17 07:02:00 - [68] dont really see a problem with them all flying frigs tbh, all it shows is how desperate they are. they cant field enough battleships or nobody wants to get in them because they just lose them, So until they have mined enough mins in empire to support there losses again we will see these huge frig fleets. and if you look in the m0o vids, you will find we use 3-5 frigs vs battleship not 40vs1
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.05.17 07:24:00 - [69] Originally by: Walking Contradiction So, when did CA start cooperating with pirates such as Corp 1? Calling in more reinforcements eh? Sigh, why are you bringing in a pirate corp thread, is 45 pages back, please dont be an ignorant and sttart on that bull again. So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.05.17 07:28:00 - [70] Originally by: sutty dont really see a problem with them all flying frigs tbh, all it shows is how desperate they are. they cant field enough battleships or nobody wants to get in them because they just lose them, So until they have mined enough mins in empire to support there losses again we will see these huge frig fleets. and if you look in the m0o vids, you will find we use 3-5 frigs vs battleship not 40vs1 Ok sutty just for your amusement we limit our alliance to only 10 people, then you have the numbers you want, and can undock Im so sorry we dont play by your rules, very sorry indeed So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.05.17 07:42:00 - [71] Quote: dont really see a problem with them all flying frigs tbh, all it shows is how desperate they are. they cant field enough battleships or nobody wants to get in them because they just lose them, So until they have mined enough mins in empire to support there losses again we will see these huge frig fleets. and if you look in the m0o vids, you will find we use 3-5 frigs vs battleship not 40vs1 Heh. yes, Very desperate.. Back in the day.. When m0o was on CA's side (back in december) we could field 50 bs's at the drop of a dime (at peak hours ofc), we can still do this at peak hours, but now we use battleships when they're needed. We simply don't need to take out our battleships anymore, we haven't needed them a great deal. Frigate fleets or Mixed fleets work much better because of the area we have to patrol. Now, if you could put a BS fleet together, we'll come out and meet you. But until then, you just keep telling yourself whatever you need to.. Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.05.17 08:48:00 - [72] Originally by: Sochin CELES camps e02 in battleships then runs to empire or logs off when we come down to fight them. The last 2 days have been boring as hell, because all of our enemies are hiding. CELES had a large fleet in e02, but they all logged off when we started closing in from two directions. Oh. What a coincidence. We logged off just as you were coming down to fight us. Most of us were in and around e02 all day, and yet all we saw was cruisers and frigates, and maybe four battleships in total. No wonder we logged, it only took you 12 hours to assemble that fleet. We don't "run" to Empire either, we're at war with the newly formed Spectre Knights and they just happen to camp Egbinger, so we go there to fight. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Harakiri	Posted - 2004.05.17 09:34:00 - [73] Summarize of this thread: Everyone want to fight but also want to win! Other side decides they cant win and retreat. If you win: *** on forum how good you are & brag how many enemies you kill or made to log/go to safespot If you loose: *** on the forums how unfair the enemy tactics is , how much nosehair they have and so on..
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.05.17 10:59:00 - [74] Please keep the replies * on-topic *friendly and respectful (that means no flaming and trolling) Thank you I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Kulach	Posted - 2004.05.17 12:21:00 - [75] Originally by: dalman Counter question for CA (Zelota) * When you play chess, do you have the king in a special square which no other man/piece can get to? (like you have your battleships locked up inside a station) Counter question for you dalman, how many warp core stabs do you fit on your king when you play chess? Sorry couldn't resist Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.05.17 12:38:00 - [76] Does your King have a safe point and insta bm's thats the next question... Also brings new meaning to WTFPAWN'D you Tal What goes around comes around...
Shadowthrone	Posted - 2004.05.17 12:45:00 - [77] Does your King have leather seats and "go faster" stripes is the real question here. Celes Kill Board "Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
Kulach	Posted - 2004.05.17 12:46:00 - [78] Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Masiah	Posted - 2004.05.17 13:16:00 - [79] here is a unbiased opinion: This is just a game we are all out for a common purpose which is to play and by all means we all strive to win, however we are the attacking force and have nothing to lose by retreating due to tactics that really make it quite costly to fight because of our enemies. Take this for example: 40 Battleships vs 40 frigates. if each of those frigates locks on to the same BS and they all fire 2 cruise missles a pieace, thats a instant kill for them, costing 100 mill for the BS fleet, yet lets say the battleship fleet kills all 40 frigates, that at MOST is 20-25 million isk, not to mention the frigates will take out a couple more battleships before they all go down. So in the end frigates are VERY effective however they are borderline on exploiting game mechanics because of that very simple and VIABLE possibility. By all means CA use ur frigates, use ur cruisers, you can defend very well with it, but after the nerf, ur gonna be in a world of pain with ur enemies armed to the teeth with battleships and no more frigates with cruise missles. And hence the tide of the battle will shift once again, m0o declares war on alot of people and we constantly fight on many fronts vs many organizations, but we never will leave u alone. The oppertunities present them selves and we take them but right now the dice is in CA's Corner and its a very sharp spear that we are dealing with, it would be foolish to run straight in to it. We didnt get the reputation we have by making foolish/costly decisions heh, how else would we maintain our selves without mining =P ----------------------------------------------- The World Would Not Be What It Is, Had I Not Become What I Am...
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2004.05.17 13:40:00 - [80] I think the point of the matter is many in SA are offended. War is a game of calculted risk, we have demonstrated a willing ness to risk X battlships... the offence is in CA smartly deciding to risk mearly Y support ships. Its sort of like we gave you a car, you gave us a dandilion. I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer...
Masiah	Posted - 2004.05.17 13:48:00 - [81] Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar I think the point of the matter is many in SA are offended. War is a game of calculted risk, we have demonstrated a willing ness to risk X battlships... the offence is in CA smartly deciding to risk mearly Y support ships. Its sort of like we gave you a car, you gave us a dandilion. yeah...... something like that... I think... ----------------------------------------------- The World Would Not Be What It Is, Had I Not Become What I Am...
sutty	Posted - 2004.05.17 14:06:00 - [82] muahah I new I could invoke flame anyhow, im not docked ? Infact I haven't docked in days
Dray	Posted - 2004.05.17 14:15:00 - [83] just so i understand the frigate tactic, you say you are using them because its valid and profitable tactic, as in u gank 1 bs and no matter what you lose its a sucess, if so how come this massive frigate fleet tactic is quite recent for you? i know omega fly around a lot in stain but never with the numbers that turned up sunday before last, it just seems to me your covering the real reason for the frigate tactic, in my opinion, a lack of battleships or an acute shortage to the point where u feel you have too much to lose commiting them, my opinion and shared by a few, the fact we call your frigate fleet the "peasant fleet" tells its own story. I picked up this ace book today everyone rates it as a must buy for the budding military genius, tho ive decided to rename it as "Sun Tzu's art of the bloody obvious"
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.05.17 14:15:00 - [84] Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar I think the point of the matter is many in SA are offended. War is a game of calculted risk, we have demonstrated a willing ness to risk X battlships... the offence is in CA smartly deciding to risk mearly Y support ships. Its sort of like we gave you a car, you gave us a dandilion. Is this the same Stain Alliance that ordered, yes ORDERED its pilots to avoid fighting even numbers and to avoid larger than 10-10 battles meerly a month ago? How fast you foget your own weak history.
Cimmerian	Posted - 2004.05.17 14:30:00 - [85] Originally by: The Reclaimer Is this the same Stain Alliance that ordered, yes ORDERED its pilots to avoid fighting even numbers and to avoid larger than 10-10 battles meerly a month ago? How fast you foget your own weak history. huh?? who told you THAT?? ----------------------------------------------------- And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Death... I ♥ Eris
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.05.17 14:31:00 - [86] A little birdy told me.
darth solo	Posted - 2004.05.17 14:41:00 - [87] Originally by: Sochin CELES camps e02 in battleships then runs to empire or logs off when we come down to fight them. The last 2 days have been boring as hell, because all of our enemies are hiding. . CELES had a large fleet in e02, but they all logged off when we started closing in from two directions. I don't want to hear any more crap about us flying frigates and fast cruisers, because thats the only way we can move fast enough to catch our enemies before they run to safespots or dock.[/quote u are funny... we run to empire from e02?.. why on earth would we do that when we can just dock at the e02 station?.. we killed 3 of ur battleships in e02 last night, and were accused of the "log on trap".. u guys need to take defeat like men, not little girlies... i wasnt on last night for long, but if the boys logged off when 2 large forces were closing in, well ermmmmmmm good job lads. Some CA are nice, most are real sore losers that post total lies on the forums...
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2004.05.17 14:49:00 - [88] Originally by: The Reclaimer Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar I think the point of the matter is many in SA are offended. War is a game of calculted risk, we have demonstrated a willing ness to risk X battlships... the offence is in CA smartly deciding to risk mearly Y support ships. Its sort of like we gave you a car, you gave us a dandilion. Is this the same Stain Alliance that ordered, yes ORDERED its pilots to avoid fighting even numbers and to avoid larger than 10-10 battles meerly a month ago? How fast you foget your own weak history. your source is a little off. I suggest you hire a few more avenues of intel. The initial ORDER was to avoid direct confrontation with a superior force. that was true only for a weak and easily observed. The rules now are fresh and different. I suggest you try a little harder next time, and have multiple avenues of verification. I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer...
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.05.17 14:55:00 - [89] Originally by: Dray just so i understand the frigate tactic, you say you are using them because its valid and profitable tactic, as in u gank 1 bs and no matter what you lose its a sucess, if so how come this massive frigate fleet tactic is quite recent for you? i know omega fly around a lot in stain but never with the numbers that turned up sunday before last, it just seems to me your covering the real reason for the frigate tactic, in my opinion, a lack of battleships or an acute shortage to the point where u feel you have too much to lose commiting them, my opinion and shared by a few, the fact we call your frigate fleet the "peasant fleet" tells its own story. I can only speak for my own corporation so this is not the same for the CA, not sure how the rest of the CA is in regards bs's but sufice to say if Stain/m0o/ATUK/evolution/rest of bandwagon need to kill a hell of a lot more of our capital ships b4 we start rationing our ships. To put it this way, on a personal perspective. I fly, most of my time a rifter and a cruiser. I have belonging to myself, 1 tempest, 1 apoc and scorpion. All fully insured, additionally i have enough isk to replace modules and cover insurance on the new battleships (god forbid should i ever lose one) several times over. I do not choose to leave my darlings at home b/c i am scared or ordered to lose them, no i do it b/c i _PREFER_ and _ENJOY_ other alternatives. I am dreadfully sorry that you cannot compete with us in smaller ships - get on chaos or something, but please get over the fact that you have forced us into this position, it is one chosen from our own liking. Reverend Necrona
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.05.17 14:58:00 - [90] Originally by: Dray just so i understand the frigate tactic, you say you are using them because its valid and profitable tactic, as in u gank 1 bs and no matter what you lose its a sucess, if so how come this massive frigate fleet tactic is quite recent for you? i know omega fly around a lot in stain but never with the numbers that turned up sunday before last, it just seems to me your covering the real reason for the frigate tactic, in my opinion, a lack of battleships or an acute shortage to the point where u feel you have too much to lose commiting them, my opinion and shared by a few, the fact we call your frigate fleet the "peasant fleet" tells its own story. Because they are fast. If you think we have a shortage of battleships, good, please think that. Who here thinks battleships are expensive? How many billionairs do you think CA has? With platinum insurance is there such a thing as going broke? Just because once again we prove our superior ability to adapt to Eve you portray us as poor. Thanks for the compliment and the laugh.
Dray	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:04:00 - [91] Originally by: The Reclaimer Originally by: Dray just so i understand the frigate tactic, you say you are using them because its valid and profitable tactic, as in u gank 1 bs and no matter what you lose its a sucess, if so how come this massive frigate fleet tactic is quite recent for you? i know omega fly around a lot in stain but never with the numbers that turned up sunday before last, it just seems to me your covering the real reason for the frigate tactic, in my opinion, a lack of battleships or an acute shortage to the point where u feel you have too much to lose commiting them, my opinion and shared by a few, the fact we call your frigate fleet the "peasant fleet" tells its own story. Because they are fast. If you think we have a shortage of battleships, good, please think that. Who here thinks battleships are expensive? How many billionairs do you think CA has? With platinum insurance is there such a thing as going broke? Just because once again we prove our superior ability to adapt to Eve you portray us as poor. Thanks for the compliment and the laugh. spare me..... your ability to adapt wouldve shown itself long before now, remember you can lie to the world but you cant lie to yourself. adapt...... priceless I picked up this ace book today everyone rates it as a must buy for the budding military genius, tho ive decided to rename it as "Sun Tzu's art of the bloody obvious"
TWD	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:06:00 - [92] Quote: I am dreadfully sorry that you cannot compete with us in smaller ships - get on chaos or something, but please get over the fact that you have forced us into this position, it is one chosen from our own liking. yes, I understand you guys rather want to gank a battleship with a swarm of frigates/cruisers rather than risking battleships in real fights.
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:07:00 - [93] Eh? Our ablity to adapt has shown by the fact that we are still fking here. You clearly overlook the fact that CA has been underfire since it's existance. I personalyl was not there from the very begining but i assure you that the CA is more than capable to adapt to new situations. This is a perfect example of how, ignore that as you may, but please don't make yourself look an idiot by publically refuting it. Thanks. Reverend Necrona
Bizarre	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:09:00 - [94] "Discussing on the internet is just like winning the Paralympics, even if you win you are still retarded." This little sentence describes the discussions in EvE best. You're all discussing so many unrelated issues, it's getting ridiculous. Just play the game and have fun. I had my fun in Curse and I think we all had fun killing eachother. Let's keep it at that, ok? Regards, Bizarre ------------------------------------------------- Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN?
GFLTorque	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:09:00 - [95] I dont wish to inflame this thread, but it is interesting that an alliance that was fat and happy on all that ARK for almost 5 months, is dropping down to small disposable ships, against an alliance everyone agrees has substantially less minerals and has been declared dead on many occasions. The more "Poor" alliance fielding larger expensive ships, and the more "Rich" alliance fielding cheap ships. Perhaps I can get a mining pass to C4 controled Estoria? IMO there's just more good pvp corps fighting CA then CA has to defend with atm. Collective, MASS, Evolution, MoO, Celest, Xan just to name a few. RUS, BOS, VOTF, OC, just dont have enough pvp'ers to keep that an even battle at present imo. I spend some time far behind the CA lines, and I can tell you there's plenty of tiny little CA corps back there whom are never seen in combat. If I were CA, I'd say its time they got off their bottoms and fought. 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:16:00 - [96] The most ironic thing about this thread in my eyes is that the Curse Alliance is now lauding and promoting cheap pvp ship tactics (frigates and cruisers) as a viable war tactic. Their right of course, it is entirely viable and sensible and I think they have made a wise decision to go this way. But its ironic because a couple of months ago when we in Jericho Fraction took exactly the same decision when we were attacked by the numerically superior (and far richer) Forsaken Empire we were laughed at and derided for using Frigates by exactly the same people now promoting their use ;) Still nice to know we were proven right eh Curse Alliance. PS On the subject of the "is curse still fighting" ... from my perspective the answer is a definate yes. I got my Crow Interceptor blown up by VOTF yesterday. (not my best tour of duty yet, but it was close to evens because I had taken out a SIM interceptor earlier). JF Public Forum
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:20:00 - [97] Edited by: The Reclaimer on 17/05/2004 15:27:22 Originally by: TWD Quote: I am dreadfully sorry that you cannot compete with us in smaller ships - get on chaos or something, but please get over the fact that you have forced us into this position, it is one chosen from our own liking. yes, I understand you guys rather want to gank a battleship with a swarm of frigates/cruisers rather than risking battleships in real fights. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are a ******* hypocrite sir. You killed one of my Ravens with 10 frigates Saturday. Why would you even come here with this rubbish? This honestly shows the low lvl of inteligence you have. First you complain about blob wars, now this. You complain everytime you lose. I have more than six battleships, but I prefer to fly a frigate, they are fast and fun. If you carebears, yes carebears, dont like how we play, quit the game or move on. We play to have fun, not to make you happy. In case you are wondering, carebears by definition are ppl who feel others should play a game the way they do.
Dray	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:28:00 - [98] Originally by: Reverend Necrona Eh? Our ablity to adapt has shown by the fact that we are still fking here. You clearly overlook the fact that CA has been underfire since it's existance. I personalyl was not there from the very begining but i assure you that the CA is more than capable to adapt to new situations. This is a perfect example of how, ignore that as you may, but please don't make yourself look an idiot by publically refuting it. Thanks. omega flying round in frigs looking for kills is not being questioned here, what is being questioned is the CA's sudden moment of clarity regarding frigate combat, as for the CA being underfire since its existence, so what, large CA frigate blobs are new, unlike castor i might add, as for "we are still fkn here" there is no one in the game under the illusion that its easy to take, hold, and remove an enemy from its chosen home, and in light of this and my stating it how does it make me an idiot, i have an opinion, you have yours, i state my case and you state yours, either we are both idiots or we are expressing opinions. omega flying round in frigs is not new, large CA frigate blobs are. that is the simple fact, you say CA is adapting, i think CA is now careful with its assets because they are feeling the pinch. I picked up this ace book today everyone rates it as a must buy for the budding military genius, tho ive decided to rename it as "Sun Tzu's art of the bloody obvious"
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:30:00 - [99] ok this has been mentioned about 200 times in this thread already, but CA spokespeople keep making comments that make me question their intelligence and their comprehension of this discussion. nobody is telling you not to fly frigates. you say you fly frigates to have fun. great. but you won't get to fight us if you do bring 50 frigs. so well all i can say is have fun racing each other because that is as far as you will go fun-wise.
The Ratfink	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:34:00 - [100] The fact so many people are complaining about it shows its been working your are in the following category : 1) been ganked by frigate fleet 2) Jumping on bandwagon (many of you in this one) 3) Scared of a new tactic I find it hilarious especially Stain who seem to not know what to setup for you say we don't have any battleships left i guess thats why when you started attacking our stations you were all equipped for frigate killing and got quite suprised when we showed up in battleships and wiped you out.
Dray	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:44:00 - [101] Originally by: The Ratfink The fact so many people are complaining about it shows its been working your are in the following category : 1) been ganked by frigate fleet 2) Jumping on bandwagon (many of you in this one) 3) Scared of a new tactic I find it hilarious especially Stain who seem to not know what to setup for you say we don't have any battleships left i guess thats why when you started attacking our stations you were all equipped for frigate killing and got quite suprised when we showed up in battleships and wiped you out. 1) i have not been ganked by a frigate fleet 2) i am stating an opinion 3) this frigate blob is not new its been there for you to use long before now, its the timing that has created all the questions, it is not a tactic to fear its a tactic that bores thank you for putting that to bed, so we'll be seeing you in battleships again. I picked up this ace book today everyone rates it as a must buy for the budding military genius, tho ive decided to rename it as "Sun Tzu's art of the bloody obvious"
sutty	Posted - 2004.05.17 15:47:00 - [102] this is why we moan. YOUR PLAYING THE BOREDEM TATIC AGAIN. yes thats right you lost all your battleships VOTF even pulled back to empire then you come up with the idea of blobbing in frigs. blobbing in your battleships was boring but blobbing in frigs is worse
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.05.17 16:10:00 - [103] Lol, blob in frigs? Swarm would be more appropriate. Boredom game? We're not the ones hiding in station being bored... you are. (you = enemy forces) We streak around and have a massive kill rate, while we are having a blast. Sorry if you cant cope with it.
TWD	Posted - 2004.05.17 16:18:00 - [104] Originally by: The Reclaimer Edited by: The Reclaimer on 17/05/2004 15:27:22 Originally by: TWD Quote: I am dreadfully sorry that you cannot compete with us in smaller ships - get on chaos or something, but please get over the fact that you have forced us into this position, it is one chosen from our own liking. yes, I understand you guys rather want to gank a battleship with a swarm of frigates/cruisers rather than risking battleships in real fights. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are a ******* hypocrite sir. You killed one of my Ravens with 10 frigates Saturday. Why would you even come here with this rubbish? This honestly shows the low lvl of inteligence you have. First you complain about blob wars, now this. You complain everytime you lose. I have more than six battleships, but I prefer to fly a frigate, they are fast and fun. If you carebears, yes carebears, dont like how we play, quit the game or move on. We play to have fun, not to make you happy. In case you are wondering, carebears by definition are ppl who feel others should play a game the way they do. here you can see yourself: Linkage
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.05.17 16:20:00 - [105] Originally by: sutty this is why we moan. YOUR PLAYING THE BOREDEM TATIC AGAIN. yes thats right you lost all your battleships VOTF even pulled back to empire then you come up with the idea of blobbing in frigs. blobbing in your battleships was boring but blobbing in frigs is worse I still have all my BS do you So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.05.17 16:21:00 - [106] What's the point in having more then six battleships anyway?
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.05.17 17:00:00 - [107] Well, I didnt mind losing it tbh. I had 5 days left on the old platnium. Glad I could take 2-3 with me. Not bad considering I had no drones or smartbombs. But, thank you for proving my point for me. Next time you might want to not accuse us of doing what you do. It makes you sound like you are either defeated or crying, or both.
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2004.05.17 18:19:00 - [108] Ok, in reply to TWD, you've killed what? a total of 1 CA battleships this week? Last night 2 VOTF Battleships and 2 Cruisers and 1 Frigate engaged 3 EVOL Battleships 1 Crow and 1 Frigate. Evol Battleship Pilots:- DietDew Dukath Koekrijt VOTF Battleship Pilots:- Aneu Angellus Faust Revis Faust warped in first and got tageted by all three battleships, while he took on Dukath, i immediatley warped in behind him. Dukath took heavy damage as did Faust, they both warped away. Our two cruisers started hitting Dukath as he was warping away. During that time i burned it to DietDew and immediatly got his shields down, he was taking major armour damage but wasnt shooting back, he turned his MWD on and burned it towards the station and docked. Koekrijt was shooting at me all the time i was fighting DietDew, i burned it all the way over to Koekrijt and engaged him. As he was about to die Faust warped back in an engaged, the outcome was this... Here Regards Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.05.17 18:27:00 - [109] This post is doubling up another one so whats the point in having this one?
TWD	Posted - 2004.05.17 18:42:00 - [110] tbh most of m0o left Curse space, reason for that was boredom. pretty much everything that was left of CA was a ganksquad of frigates/cruisers. don't worry, our war still stands, and we will be back. we kicked your asses, and will do it again. btw, I came back for a day in Curse and participated in killing: The Reclaimer, Raven Antelope, Apocalypse Skurg, Tempest Leyla, Tempest Shemaul, Scorp
Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.17 20:04:00 - [111] ONE move causing so much CHAOS!!! and disorder!!! how can it be?you beter wach it to find out and to wach it is to know what is going on here folks Vid of the week
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.05.17 21:18:00 - [112] Again, no flaming and no trolling. Also real life politics have no place here. If you have any questions, please mail us at [email protected] Thank you I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Stained	Posted - 2004.05.17 21:34:00 - [113] Eris just owned us. ___________________________________________________________________ Hair is Over-rated.
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.05.17 21:50:00 - [114] Originally by: Stained Eris just owned us. doesnt she always /emote sighs i think i have an unhealthy obsession with eris
Mituno Sakai	Posted - 2004.05.17 22:03:00 - [115] I thought the problem with fighting in frigates was you die a lot more..and get podded more. The problem using this tactic is not the ship but the character. It seems to me there are some options 1. buy another account and train a frigate character and leave of any implants. Downside: cost more $ (tho CCP is happy) 2. set aside a character for frigate use and train this. Downside: training time deducts from your 'main' character 3. use your main character. Downside: either live without implants or risk them. The last part will make the 'cost benefit' analysis of frigs vs battleships a whole different ballgame. Personally I would expect most of the players in Curse going for 1. It stands to reason that all the non powergamers left the region long ago - they have been fighting more or less constantly for what? 6 months.
Xelios	Posted - 2004.05.17 22:07:00 - [116] Aww my humor post was deleted =(
Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.17 23:13:00 - [117] News flash::.....:!!! do to this video some m0o players are selling there acounts!!! you need to wach it!! it is UBER Vid of the week
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.05.17 23:23:00 - [118] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 17/05/2004 23:26:22 Really, the occasional frigate fight is very fun, it's just that we'd like the chance to blow up larger things once in a while. I haven't been playing much the past week, cause I've been taking naps after work when all the Brits are on, but we were getting bored of Curse anyway. We stayed for an extra 2 weeks or so just because we hate your trash talkers and wanted to get a few more kills in. We will always move around like this, Fountain can claim victory for us leaving, CFS and CA can do the same, but whatever. Our thing is to kill everyone in fleet battles and shatter any thoughts people were forming about becoming competent at the game. We're impatient ****s with guns, and the same scenery just gets boring. I'd like to go back to Empire space pirating for a while, personally. Steal me an apoc or something.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2004.05.17 23:41:00 - [119] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 17/05/2004 23:26:22 Really, the occasional frigate fight is very fun, it's just that we'd like the chance to blow up larger things once in a while. I haven't been playing much the past week, cause I've been taking naps after work when all the Brits are on, but we were getting bored of Curse anyway. We stayed for an extra 2 weeks or so just because we hate your trash talkers and wanted to get a few more kills in. We will always move around like this, Fountain can claim victory for us leaving, CFS and CA can do the same, but whatever. Our thing is to kill everyone in fleet battles and shatter any thoughts people were forming about becoming competent at the game. We're impatient ****s with guns, and the same scenery just gets boring. I'd like to go back to Empire space pirating for a while, personally. Steal me an apoc or something. ROFL You back stabbed and are now owned. Get out while you can ! Again: ROFL ! -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.05.18 00:00:00 - [120] I still can't DL Zelota's video. And judging by the first one, i don't think its worth it...
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.05.18 00:13:00 - [121] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 17/05/2004 23:26:22 Really, the occasional frigate fight is very fun, it's just that we'd like the chance to blow up larger things once in a while. I haven't been playing much the past week, cause I've been taking naps after work when all the Brits are on, but we were getting bored of Curse anyway. We stayed for an extra 2 weeks or so just because we hate your trash talkers and wanted to get a few more kills in. We will always move around like this, Fountain can claim victory for us leaving, CFS and CA can do the same, but whatever. Our thing is to kill everyone in fleet battles and shatter any thoughts people were forming about becoming competent at the game. We're impatient ****s with guns, and the same scenery just gets boring. I'd like to go back to Empire space pirating for a while, personally. Steal me an apoc or something. That is what makes you guys so successful IMO. In Eve, the agressor always has the advantage. It also causes other players to get better in turn. We salute you for trimming our fat.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.05.18 00:22:00 - [122] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 18/05/2004 00:31:14 Look, Jabaa, I wasn't going to say anything before you opened your mouth, but you were one of the reasons I left the CA. The night you came on TS screaming about how we don't protect all the dumbass miners that ignore local and let Evol gank them, and how we as an alliance will go down because morons like you suck at the game, it just made me sad of what the CA was becoming. Your voice sound exactly like Robin Williams as Mrs. Doubtfire, you can't fight for **, and you scream exploit about everything. THE DRONES ARE FLASHING YELLOW! OMG WTF SPLOIT! Sad night, really I've never even seen your frigate blob in action before, like I said, we were already leaving. I'm somewhat tempted to jump in a rifter and head over, but I fought some in Querious in my rifter today, I think I'm just burned out on frig fighting. Didn't lose it, but, just want to kill battleships and ransom people now. I never had patience in the CA, which is why I frequently said " this" and ran off to hunt on my own, and I really haven't changed much, just like to hunt in groups more now. If you want to claim victory after the damage we caused, go ahead, I don't give a . I wasn't there to camp your stations 23/7 and make you all quit the game, I'm there to log in, blow ** up, then log when 5 minutes of boredom set in. If insurance ever gets put to a stop in 0.0, I'll be back in Curse that same day, unless m0o is having fun in Fountain or some other POS alliance BTW: A backstab would be more along the lines of podding Xirt in a mining op under the impression we were friends, like we were planning in September before I became great friends with the guy
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.05.18 00:32:00 - [123] Shh Bob, we got owned bad and lost gazillion battelships while we were stopped from killing a single CA ship, honest. And thats the whole truth about how CA totally cruched us *Spawn of the Devil*
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.05.18 00:36:00 - [124] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 18/05/2004 00:39:07 BTW Jabaa- when Curse members talk about the "fat" of the CA, they're referring to dominix flying clueless sons of ***es like Dental Drilling. Never saw you in the region though, so I can't say we made any dent in your corporation whatsoever. Shame for Redon, Lallante, and the other fighters that made CA what it is I've gone from a nice post to another "** the CA" thing, but at least it's directed at the same people the CA is mentioning
Debbi Darko	Posted - 2004.05.18 00:44:00 - [125] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Your voice sound exactly like Robin Williams as Mrs. Doubtfire rofl
Stained	Posted - 2004.05.18 01:46:00 - [126] Edited by: Stained on 18/05/2004 01:48:03 I can't help it... Jabaa you just got served. lol and PS: Zelota your link is still dead. ___________________________________________________________________ Hair is Over-rated.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.05.18 02:21:00 - [127] Who was it that said on some other thread "m0o will probabley play the boredom card, and move out"? To bad it wasn't me, would've fit with my powers of forseeing the future.. But alas, someone else saw the inevitable before me.. Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
TWD	Posted - 2004.05.18 02:56:00 - [128] Originally by: Propehcy Who was it that said on some other thread "m0o will probabley play the boredom card, and move out"? To bad it wasn't me, would've fit with my powers of forseeing the future.. But alas, someone else saw the inevitable before me.. well, we left a few days before that post.
Tobruk	Posted - 2004.05.18 04:16:00 - [129] Edited by: Tobruk on 18/05/2004 04:21:40 Edited by: Tobruk on 18/05/2004 04:21:21 m0o i think this announcement deserves a formal post. if you dont we will. by the way pwnd!!! t0o bad y0u had to r0un away ----------------------------------------------
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.05.18 05:14:00 - [130] Originally by: Tobruk Edited by: Tobruk on 18/05/2004 04:21:40 Edited by: Tobruk on 18/05/2004 04:21:21 m0o i think this announcement deserves a formal post. if you dont we will. by the way pwnd!!! t0o bad y0u had to r0un away Tobruk m3h l33t sp34k r t3h w1n5 aga1nst j00'r nub0r 4ttempt!!221 Reverend Necrona
Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.18 10:18:00 - [131] well i agree with bob on the note about Jaba but i dont agree with him about m0o leaving for the sheer fact that Jaba has changed and he fights with ca now i hope he keeps it up Vid of the week
MeanMofo	Posted - 2004.05.18 14:37:00 - [132] Originally by: Zelota well i agree with bob on the note about Jaba but i dont agree with him about m0o leaving for the sheer fact that Jaba has changed and he fights with ca now i hope he keeps it up I heard that mOo was mining in Gehi to recover all the losses they had encountered in Curse. And that they are broke and Lord Zap is mining with the boys to get some isk... And that HE will be back with a vengence against FA for not paying him.!!!!!
TWD	Posted - 2004.05.18 14:54:00 - [133] Originally by: MeanMofo Originally by: Zelota well i agree with bob on the note about Jaba but i dont agree with him about m0o leaving for the sheer fact that Jaba has changed and he fights with ca now i hope he keeps it up I heard that mOo was mining in Gehi to recover all the losses they had encountered in Curse. And that they are broke and Lord Zap is mining with the boys to get some isk... And that HE will be back with a vengence against FA for not paying him.!!!!! what losses
Tobruk	Posted - 2004.05.18 23:38:00 - [134] Originally by: Reverend Necrona Originally by: Tobruk Edited by: Tobruk on 18/05/2004 04:21:40 Edited by: Tobruk on 18/05/2004 04:21:21 m0o i think this announcement deserves a formal post. if you dont we will. by the way pwnd!!! t0o bad y0u had to r0un away Tobruk m3h l33t sp34k r t3h w1n5 aga1nst j00'r nub0r 4ttempt!!221 ----------------------------------------------
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2004.05.19 03:16:00 - [135] Originally by: Tobruk Originally by: Reverend Necrona Originally by: Tobruk Edited by: Tobruk on 18/05/2004 04:21:40 Edited by: Tobruk on 18/05/2004 04:21:21 m0o i think this announcement deserves a formal post. if you dont we will. by the way pwnd!!! t0o bad y0u had to r0un away Tobruk m3h l33t sp34k r t3h w1n5 aga1nst j00'r nub0r 4ttempt!!221 Thank god someone could understand that mess... I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer...
EternalDark	Posted - 2004.05.19 04:36:00 - [136] Originally by: sutty this is why we moan. YOUR PLAYING THE BOREDEM TATIC AGAIN. yes thats right you lost all your battleships VOTF even pulled back to empire then you come up with the idea of blobbing in frigs. blobbing in your battleships was boring but blobbing in frigs is worse Really? seems we have quite a few bs's in the hangers.. Still have all four of mine... But perhaps its because I prefer my rupture now... Only way to catch people as they are running away.
Skyknight	Posted - 2004.05.19 05:46:00 - [137] A win is a win. Since the day the curse alliance formed its been a center of attention. Conflict will die down again. People will start blowing themselves up from boredom. Then someone will say something to offend somone.(which happens Daily) Then guns will be blazing through eve. Alliances will be formed up from the most unlikely of friends.(mOo/evo) This is a great game we play. You never know where your going to be at or with whom the next day. The last couple of weeks have been interesting with the mix fleets. There still is the whole battleship fleet here and there. Then you see the whole frigate fleet. I'm a cruiser pilot. So i love seeing the mix fleets. Becuase of our ideas and our ways of fighting we are making this game better. No matter what side you take,your opinions and actions help the game mature. Win or lose we are all having fun. Good luck everyone and remember have fun. *PLAYERS AGAINST MINING*
Sochin	Posted - 2004.05.19 06:46:00 - [138] Edited by: Sochin on 19/05/2004 06:48:48 Originally by: Reverend Necrona Originally by: Tobruk Edited by: Tobruk on 18/05/2004 04:21:40 Edited by: Tobruk on 18/05/2004 04:21:21 by the way pwnd!!! t0o bad y0u had to r0un away Tobruk m3h l33t sp34k r t3h w1n5 aga1nst j00'r nub0r 4ttempt!!221 n317h3r 0f yu0 n00bz c4n s73p t0 )v(y ub3r 1337 sp34k sk1llz!!!!!!!!!11111111 PH34R M3\|-\|! Nemo me impune lacessit
JaiMaster	Posted - 2004.05.19 09:31:00 - [139] Originally by: Xelios I can't speak for other people, but I don't expect CA to 'play my way'. I never did and I would never ask them to. The way you play the game is up to you. All I said was if they want to play around in 40+ frigate fleets that's fine, I won't bother fighting that though. Your choice really, you can either continue to fly around in fleets of disposable ships and be lucky to kill a battleship that happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or we can go back to reasonable sized mixed fleets like we had 3 weeks ago and have some actual fun fights. It's up to you. This post quantifies what is wrong with EVE combat. When confronted there should be no choice of "I dont want to fight today, ill just logout". It should be fight your way out or die. A confronted army unit cannot just put down their guns until the next day. There is no mechanics in eve for combat to be forced; rather, it has to be joined. This is horribly out of whack with reality and why wars in eve are never won, they are just abandoned. ------- Skill points. ISK. Ships, rare equipment. Its all just a means to an end... Your end.
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.05.19 10:01:00 - [140] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Look, Jabaa, I wasn't going to say anything before you opened your mouth, but you were one of the reasons I left the CA. The night you came on TS screaming about how we don't protect all the dumbass miners that ignore local and let Evol gank them, and how we as an alliance will go down because morons like you suck at the game, it just made me sad of what the CA was becoming. I never had patience in the CA, which is why I frequently said "** this" and ran off to hunt on my own, and I really haven't changed much, just like to hunt in groups more now. If you want to claim victory after the damage we caused, go ahead, I don't give a . I wasn't there to camp your stations 23/7 and make you all quit the game, I'm there to log in, blow up, then log when 5 minutes of boredom set in. If insurance ever gets put to a stop in 0.0, I'll be back in Curse that same day, unless m0o is having fun in Fountain or some other POS alliance BTW: A backstab would be more along the lines of podding Xirt in a mining op under the impression we were friends, like we were planning in September before I became great friends with the guy This is the reason why any pvp corp would quit an alliance, there are some ahats in Curse who think they deserve a right to be protected by the PVP core while their payments and contributions to an alliance is none or to call minimal. Daily we lose ships as pvp corporations, so far there are no alliances where these corporations are backed up by the Carebear corporations yet these guys scream the hardest way possible when they get attacked. This would be my only reason to leave Curse, and yes it has come into my mind frequently when another **** who mines 300mil a WEEK on arkanor and does NOTHING but nothing at all. So i can't blame you for getting ed on those kind of guys, but what i do blame you is that you had friends in that same alliance. People you had fun with and you shared experiences with: You had fun with them and they offered your corporation a safe haven when you all needed to get back onto your feeth. You 'backstabbed' those people by plotting in THEIR teamspeak servers they provided free to you. You didn't just choose to leave the alliance but also fight those guys who helped you get back into the game and have fun again. Now i know some of you 'counterstrikers' think its all a game and ** it, and yes its all a game, but having a bit sense of honor even as a pirate wanabee doesn't hurt anyone. But thats just me, so go ahead and make a magic oneliner to act cool again. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Lord Zap	Posted - 2004.05.19 10:05:00 - [141] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 18/05/2004 00:31:14 Look, Jabaa, I wasn't going to say anything before you opened your mouth, but you were one of the reasons I left the CA. The night you came on TS screaming about how we don't protect all the dumbass miners that ignore local and let Evol gank them, and how we as an alliance will go down because morons like you suck at the game, it just made me sad of what the CA was becoming. Your voice sound exactly like Robin Williams as Mrs. Doubtfire, you can't fight for **, and you scream exploit about everything. THE DRONES ARE FLASHING YELLOW! OMG WTF SPLOIT! Sad night, really I've never even seen your frigate blob in action before, like I said, we were already leaving. I'm somewhat tempted to jump in a rifter and head over, but I fought some in Querious in my rifter today, I think I'm just burned out on frig fighting. Didn't lose it, but, just want to kill battleships and ransom people now. I never had patience in the CA, which is why I frequently said " this" and ran off to hunt on my own, and I really haven't changed much, just like to hunt in groups more now. If you want to claim victory after the damage we caused, go ahead, I don't give a . I wasn't there to camp your stations 23/7 and make you all quit the game, I'm there to log in, blow ** up, then log when 5 minutes of boredom set in. If insurance ever gets put to a stop in 0.0, I'll be back in Curse that same day, unless m0o is having fun in Fountain or some other POS alliance BTW: A backstab would be more along the lines of podding Xirt in a mining op under the impression we were friends, like we were planning in September before I became great friends with the guy Cut straight to the bone there bob, and yes Jabaa always was one of the less personable CA figures. He was the kind of guy who would come into our ts room and everyone would mysteriously be afk.
Estios	Posted - 2004.05.19 10:06:00 - [142] Edited by: Estios on 19/05/2004 13:49:59 Edited by: Estios on 19/05/2004 11:36:41 I was SO trying to leave this thread alone, if you want to fly frigs it really doesnt bother me, have fun, its what its about. But PLEASE shut that bare faced liar Aneu up, he should have his keyboard confiscated. What on earth are you talking about 'only killed 1 CA BS this week' ??? Seriously dude do you even play EVE ? Maybe check the CA channel once in a while ? Do you even know what is happening south of HLW ? So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.05.19 11:44:00 - [143] Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 19/05/2004 11:36:41 But PLEASE shut that bare faced liar Aneu up, he should have his keyboard confiscated. What on earth are you talking about 'only killed 1 CA BS this week' ??? Seriously dude do you even play EVE ? Maybe check the CA channel once in a while ? Do you even know what is happening south of HLW ? Aneu is known for being a compulsive liar, his "inside" intel is always amazingly off track. Live with it, he isn't going to shut up unless he gets banned. Don't worry though, once the CA starts to fold he will hop over to the winning team again.
Kulach	Posted - 2004.05.19 11:52:00 - [144] Originally by: Walking Contradiction Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 19/05/2004 11:36:41 But PLEASE shut that bare faced liar Aneu up, he should have his keyboard confiscated. What on earth are you talking about 'only killed 1 CA BS this week' ??? Seriously dude do you even play EVE ? Maybe check the CA channel once in a while ? Do you even know what is happening south of HLW ? Aneu is known for being a compulsive liar, his "inside" intel is always amazingly off track. Live with it, he isn't going to shut up unless he gets banned. Don't worry though, once the CA starts to fold he will hop over to the winning team again. So did Techell kick you out as they didn't want to associated with the hateful comments you make on the forums or did they just generally dislike you (as the rest of us)? Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.05.19 11:54:00 - [145] Originally by: Kulach So did Techell kick you out as they didn't want to associated with the hateful comments you make on the forums or did they just generally dislike you (as the rest of us)? There is a quit corporation button, did you know that? Probably not, newbie.
Kulach	Posted - 2004.05.19 11:57:00 - [146] Originally by: Walking Contradiction There is a quit corporation button, did you know that? Probably not, newbie. "newbie" Hahahaha. Get your facts straight before you make assumtions. If you are going to troll I suggest you look at employment history first. Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.05.19 11:59:00 - [147] Edited by: Tholarim on 19/05/2004 12:01:16 Originally by: Kulach Originally by: Walking Contradiction Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 19/05/2004 11:36:41 But PLEASE shut that bare faced liar Aneu up, he should have his keyboard confiscated. What on earth are you talking about 'only killed 1 CA BS this week' ??? Seriously dude do you even play EVE ? Maybe check the CA channel once in a while ? Do you even know what is happening south of HLW ? Aneu is known for being a compulsive liar, his "inside" intel is always amazingly off track. Live with it, he isn't going to shut up unless he gets banned. Don't worry though, once the CA starts to fold he will hop over to the winning team again. So did Techell kick you out as they didn't want to associated with the hateful comments you make on the forums or did they just generally dislike you (as the rest of us)? Now that's a hole in one
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.05.19 12:03:00 - [148] Ah look, the C4 support forum warriors come in! Rejoice!
Kulach	Posted - 2004.05.19 12:14:00 - [149] Originally by: Walking Contradiction Ah look, the C4 support forum warriors come in! Rejoice! Hmmmm, how is the saying again. Pot meet kettle? Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Bared Bel'Medalt	Posted - 2004.05.19 14:05:00 - [150] Originally by: Walking Contradiction Ah look, the C4 support forum warriors come in! Rejoice! Yes, they provide hour of amusement... Normally I just like to say my bit and get it over with, but when I have a few free ours and no papers to grade, I amuse myself by tormenting them... I know they will always bite...
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.05.19 16:46:00 - [151] Quote: by the way pwnd!!! t0o bad y0u had to r0un away I know you're not being serious here, but to the Jabaa primes and such that may think so, we've lost like 3 in the past 3 weeks, and stolen 3. We did fine for ourselves.
EternalDark	Posted - 2004.05.19 16:51:00 - [152] Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 19/05/2004 13:49:59 Edited by: Estios on 19/05/2004 11:36:41 I was SO trying to leave this thread alone, if you want to fly frigs it really doesnt bother me, have fun, its what its about. But PLEASE shut that bare faced liar Aneu up, he should have his keyboard confiscated. W hat on earth are you talking about 'only killed 1 CA BS this week' ??? Seriously dude do you even play EVE ? Maybe check the CA channel once in a while ? Do you even know what is happening south of HLW ? Theres no contest that I know whats going on in vol/klmt, nothing, zip, nadda, Atuk got ganked pretty hard a few days ago and they haven't undocked in anything larger then a frigate since. No doubt you guys will come back later, spice things up for a few days. I am looking foreward to it.
Tobruk	Posted - 2004.05.19 20:41:00 - [153] Edited by: Tobruk on 19/05/2004 20:44:58 Originally by: Walking Contradiction Ah look, the C4 support forum warriors come in! Rejoice! HA look cowardly noob alt making post p.s. bob i was just kidding around. im sad to see you guys go i was having i lot of fun. w/o m0o there i fear the other alliances will bail and we will have to go searching for a fight again. props to m0o for brining the fight to ca. even if you guys lost you still deserve props. ----------------------------------------------
Lord Zap	Posted - 2004.05.19 23:54:00 - [154] Originally by: Tobruk Edited by: Tobruk on 19/05/2004 20:44:58 Originally by: Walking Contradiction Ah look, the C4 support forum warriors come in! Rejoice! HA look cowardly noob alt making post p.s. bob i was just kidding around. im sad to see you guys go i was having i lot of fun. w/o m0o there i fear the other alliances will bail and we will have to go searching for a fight again. props to m0o for brining the fight to ca. even if you guys lost you still deserve props. We lost 3 Battleships in the whole war and like Bob said we captured 3 to replace them with. Any kills we did get (and there were a lot) puts us in positive ratio of kills to deaths. How is it you won exactly?
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.05.20 00:04:00 - [155] The forum war has just begun.
JaiMaster	Posted - 2004.05.20 00:13:00 - [156] well zap you see, CA only lost 1 battleship (to sentry guns) and captured 87 moo battleships, really trooly rooly ------- Skill points. ISK. Ships, rare equipment. Its all just a means to an end... Your end.
TWD	Posted - 2004.05.20 00:39:00 - [157] Originally by: JaiMaster well zap you see, CA only lost 1 battleship (to sentry guns) and captured 87 moo battleships, really trooly rooly we captured these peoples battleships if you dont believe us: Raith Spinewarp Tempest [Captured] nem3sisNGRUTempest [Captured] Bros FDCOM Apoc [Captured]
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2004.05.20 00:44:00 - [158] Originally by: TWD Originally by: JaiMaster well zap you see, CA only lost 1 battleship (to sentry guns) and captured 87 moo battleships, really trooly rooly we captured these peoples battleships if you dont believe us: Raith Spinewarp Tempest [Captured] nem3sisNGRUTempest [Captured] Bros FDCOM Apoc [Captured] We all know those are not CA, atleast not CA core- [insert standard excuse] - and they werent fitted for combat ! Last but not least you didnt get the insurance, so ure pwned. On a serious note, CA lost more then they took out, this is a fact, once you start making up excuses to cover your losses you admit losing. Simple logic but fitting.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.05.20 01:12:00 - [159] Quote: well zap you see, CA only lost 1 battleship (to sentry guns) and captured 87 moo battleships, really trooly rooly You weren't in Curse when these were captured, so instead of being a sarcastic asshat why dont you just ******* ask who was stolen from if you arent convinced at first?
Lord Zap	Posted - 2004.05.20 01:12:00 - [160] Originally by: JaiMaster well zap you see, CA only lost 1 battleship (to sentry guns) and captured 87 moo battleships, really trooly rooly What an intelligent response. sigh
Susan Chase	Posted - 2004.05.20 02:52:00 - [161] Sniff Sniff. M0o are kewl fact! I'm sure any pvper that hasn't got a beef with them will agree on this fact. But the rest of EVE are dragging them down to their forum whoring level. @ m0o I love you. But please please cancel your clone contracts and pod eachother till you reduce your forum posting skill to lvl 2 or lower. I don't doubt that what you say is true, I would just rather that you kept it ingame. My gratitude and thanks in advance.
JaiMaster	Posted - 2004.05.20 03:00:00 - [162] Edited by: JaiMaster on 20/05/2004 03:02:44 Edited by: JaiMaster on 20/05/2004 03:02:30 I dont doubt you captured 3 clowns battleships (seriously, who ejects from a battleship?). I doubt your loss numbers. Zap, I honestly didnt think youd know a word as long as "intelligent". My mistake for thinking even someone lacking in said word such as yourself would recognise blatent dripping sarcasm however. Apologies where apologies due, hows empire space this time of year? ------- Skill points. ISK. Ships, rare equipment. Its all just a means to an end... Your end.
Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.20 13:29:00 - [163] Edited by: Zelota on 20/05/2004 13:48:29 Originally by: Estios Edited by: Estios on 20/05/2004 12:24:24 Edited by: Estios on 20/05/2004 12:02:43 WTF is wrong with CA these days ? I never remembered half of them being such liars Eternal Dark you have just wound me up enough to post on these stupid flame wars again. You are a total nub and its a fact, shame you and Aneu seem so vocal for VOTF who on the whole are a good corp. We lost 5 BS in one night over a week ago. It meant nothing to us and we have been out in our 'ganksquad' (thanks for taht Wildhope ) EVERY NIGHT SINCE. Unlike CA we still use predominantly BS class fleets. This week alone we (ATUK only) have been waltzing up and down to Wicked Creek and Scalding pass killing lots of RUS(H) and Pioneers battleships. Just check your CA channel once in a while or ask Leyla (well the imposter) or the corps who try and mine up in 1L-OEK. You are a pure forum warrior and a liar with it. Why dont you just STFU if you dont know what the hell is going on. When we lost those few pilots last Thurs (I still cant beleive we lost so many in one night) we freely admitted it. If you cant post truthfully then dont post at all you ***** tard. I dont mind nice or nasty posts but lies wind me up, you just make yourself look stupid. People might not like us but we'd never say something which is blatant lie. Edit: I need a job where I have something to do and thus avoid this board like the plague. Win or lose at least show a little honesty for christs sake. There has been 2 decent fleet battles since this started and we WON both of them convincingly, the rest of this is gank or be ganked. Play on. www.hn.is/dr***/rebirht of curse _ 1.avi the * part is dr_m_e_n_g_e_l_e (with out the _ sorry about that links name look at the movie there are 4 bs kills captured on fraps those were after your 5 bs were lost its fun to have proofs :D and you cant say nothing about it if you havnt wached the move Vid of the week
Zelota	Posted - 2004.05.20 14:03:00 - [164] Originally by: Estios Seriously Zelota you are missing my point dude. My point is liars like Eternal Dark spouting ** like ATUK dont undock unless in Frigates these days when every night this week we have been up in Wicked Creek taking your stations and killing Russian Battleships. How many you kill and how many we kill can be debated to Xmas for all I care but I feel this strange need correct blatant lies from the nublar division of CA. I cant watch your movie because Im at work but I fail to see what relation a 5/10/90 minute long fraps movie has to do with some of your corps inability to tell the truth instead of lies to belittle your enemy ? Anyway do you have any fraps from the only 2 decent fleet battles since this started, in VOL and HLW ?? m8t whats the point in fighting ca?You where our friends we frikn helpd you out and m0o and then you back stab us....! how the hell do you think we react to that huh? Your our enemys then you say we lie?Well i havnt told any lies i only bring proof so pls stop this bul** your doing right here and right now you self aragant bich Vid of the week
The Monk	Posted - 2004.05.20 14:15:00 - [165] Estios you shouldnÆt go calling CA n00bs a lot of our PvP pilots are quite a force to be reckoned with, you of all people should know that. ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
TWD	Posted - 2004.05.20 14:34:00 - [166] Originally by: JaiMaster I doubt your loss numbers. it usually went like this whenever we lost a battleship: CA Person1: OH yeah we killed a m0o person X his battleship CA Person2: we rock. CA Person3: Hey ! we killed person X his battleship CA Person2: again? we rock. next day: CA Person4: omg we killed a m0o battleship CA Person2: damn, we rule.
Estios	Posted - 2004.05.20 15:19:00 - [167] Errr Monk, I said the nublar 'division' meaning a contingent. Hell only a few days ago I voted for Lallente as one fleet leaders I rated up there and Hyper also. I dont deny there are many good pvp'ers in CA, its a shame though that with any alliance its often the clueless who are the most vocal and recently Aneu and Eternal Dark have spouted enough **** and lies to fill one of those old Sunday sport columns (Bus found on moon etc). Way to pick one aspect of my post out though. Half my corp dont even read these boards and I cant blame them. However I do and feel a need to pipe up when someone has the audacity to lie in a attempt to belittle us. And Zelota, back stab is such a harsh word. I like to think of it more as a 'less than amicable parting of the ways' So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.05.20 15:54:00 - [168] All I know is that I was 25 jumps into Curse space, and didn't see anyone other the Stain Alliance members until I came into what I assume is the VOTF base of operations. There were approx 10 ppl local. Curse space appears totally empty! - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Dolemite2K	Posted - 2004.05.20 17:12:00 - [169] Originally by: Notferr Curse space appears totally empty! keap telling your self that ----------------------------------------------- Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day
Stained	Posted - 2004.05.20 20:34:00 - [170] I've decided to appropriatley rename the Ca to the LA: Liars Alliance. ___________________________________________________________________ Hair is Over-rated.
Zalasar	Posted - 2004.05.20 20:50:00 - [171] Originally by: Stained I've decided to appropriatley rename the Ca to the LA: Liars Alliance. omg that was so funny, are you a comedian ? erhmmmmmmm
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.05.20 21:09:00 - [172] Moo has petitioned to change its name to "Hypocrites R'US".
Notferr	Posted - 2004.05.20 21:12:00 - [173] Originally by: The Reclaimer Moo has petitioned to change its name to "Hypocrites R'US". The Reclaimer needs Rogain. - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.

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