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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.04 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: *****zilla on 04/07/2008 06:06:10
 Originally by: Dianeces
Otherwise, why do I have to pay up to 10x as much as a T1 cruiser for my HACs or Recons? Surely it isn't because they have capabilities in excess of what their T1 cousins have? 
You're absolutely right.
A t1 stasis webber is 10k isk, and a t2 webber is about 1mil isk. Thats a 100x price difference.
A t1 stabber is 3.5mil isk. So a vaga should cost 350mil. A great imbalance exists. A vaga can be purchased for 82mil. So yes this price imbalance needs to be fixed. A vaga should cost more?
Utility doesn't set price. Price is set by demand and by the relative value.
Consider this. I purchased a name shuttle for *way* more than a normal shuttle. The utility is precisely the same. However the shuttle is named and in limit supply. The relative value is vastly increased versus a lesser (but not in stats) unnamed shuttle.
So t2 need not be better to be expensive. Only limited and different. If the t2 module/ship is *slightly* better in some regards then we would say it has increased utility but a much higher value.
T1 named, T2, faction, and officer stuff has always cost *way* more than t1. Often the abilities aren't that massive compared to the t1 stuff. A bit easier cpu/pg fittings. Some more resists. A few km here and there of range. If price is an issue than raise the price of a vaga to 350mil.
Hacs are *very* cheap wnen comparing other t1 versus t2 ships/items. They're better than the t1 options in about all regard.
So just because something is expensive does not mean it is balanced. It does not mean that the item *must* have a vastly increased utility. A t2 item/ship should be different or slightly better than the t1 option. And it can still cost 10x or 100x more and have value.
Price does not dictate balance.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.04 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: *****zilla
Price does not dictate balance.
You're right. I totally said price determined balance. That's exactly it.
Originally by: Dianeces
Price is a factor in balance.
Yep, looks the same as what you claim I said.
Originally by: *****zilla
A t1 stasis webber is 10k isk, and a t2 webber is about 1mil isk. Thats a 100x price difference.
A t1 stabber is 3.5mil isk. So a vaga should cost 350mil. A great imbalance exists. A vaga can be purchased for 82mil. So yes this price imbalance needs to be fixed. A vaga should cost more?
The point was the Vaga is more expensive, in part, because it is better than a Stabber. Way to go on trying to twist my point into something stupid.
Seriously, though, there are only two reasons to pay more for something: 1.) it's a collector's item, such as your shuttle example, or 2.) it's better than the cheaper version. Case in point are T2 Armor Plates. Currently in Domain, T2 1600 plates are about 400k more than 1600 RT plates. There is absolutely no reason to purchase the T2 version, when the named version is equal or better in all attributes. This is borne out by the market history, which shows that 1600 RT plates are bought 10x as frequently as the T2 version. Most of the purchasers of the T2 plates most likely don't know about the disparity and simply assumed T2 was better.
I don't believe you can honestly tell me you would spend more for a T2 plate that is different (worse) than a RT one simply because it is different. Now before you start trying to say this disproves my point about balance, the only reason T2 items in these cases are more expensive than best named T1 is because they require additional resources to invent and manufacture. If T2 plates didn't have to be invented, or didn't require additional materials, they would be cheaper than the best named plates.
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emma louise
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Posted - 2008.07.04 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Katashi I****uka
Jesus I am the biggest fan of plating everything but seriously, this whine is a bit too much.
Since when does any HAC go 11km/s?
Try 3800-4500.
Vagabond can touch 6k.
11km/s requires expensive snake and rogue implants, officer faction/gear, a max skilled claymore, and t2 polycarbs.
In which case, I think your gang can easily afford to pimp out a couple interceptors to suicide web the nanoship.
Lol @ vaga speed.....mine goes a little faster than that johnny
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emma louise
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Posted - 2008.07.04 07:21:00 -
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Curse
Huggin
Rapier
Heyena
Friends
...and dare i say it
profit
the op of this tread is a tosser...90% of those *****ing about nanos are noobs...or noobs that brought older accounts and have not figured it out yet.
The only good thing minmitar ships have going for them is speed....its what they where designed for..
Sure im not a fan of nano cerb and all the other bullshit getting around these days...but that dont mean i whinge about it....get a clue
kthanksbye
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Father Dibbles
Drunks And Addicts Combined
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Posted - 2008.07.04 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Father Dibbles
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Father Dibbles
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Father Dibbles
Silly stuff
Lol.
And back at you for having to edit a four character long, pointless post.
You're a terrible troll.
Kiss my arse?
Right back at you.
Imitation... disappointing 
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.04 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
I have seen more than one battleship do over 10k, so thank you come again.
nanoBS are pretty much useless except for novelty value tbh, the sheer amount of ISK you need to spend to make a ship like that dangerous in some way is ludicrous - so much so that since the nano nerf, the only BS I've seen exceed 3k/s (let alone 10) were all Macharials, and they only shined in their ability to bump people out of warp disruptor range, allowing them to warp off... 
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 09:38:00 -
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This thread needs to die.... like a week ago.
Seriously, there are people truly beliving in their hearts that the earth was created in 7 days.... and that's in the so called real life.
It's no use trying to convince people who won't listen to reason....
yay vacation
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