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Lakche
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:54:00 -
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Frankly, they should. This way the warp stabilizers have a purpose in combat again, and is a delightful nerf to Nanos. So you want to zip around without getting hurt? Fine, so long as you're ability to hurt other people (lock range) is appropriately reduced. This is a nice little buff to Gallante Recon too, because if they do fit warp stabilizers then sensor damps work even better, and if they don't then you could scram them. Also, afterburners would have a use, since they couldn't be scrammed. Nanos could still use ECM as a defense against being scrambled, or sensor damps, or even fit an auxillary afterburner. And best of all, it makes absolute RP sense. 
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Foocurr
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:57:00 -
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Holy crap this **** is getting bad.
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Jalif
Deviance Inc
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jalif on 25/06/2008 20:01:54
wasn't this suggested before in ideas?
well, troll is obvious I would say....
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supr3m3justic3
ACE'S OVER 8'S
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:01:00 -
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How many diffrent threads are there gonna be about this crap?
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Lakche
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:25:00 -
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Ouch.
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Jurgen Cartis
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.06.25 21:21:00 -
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*facepalm*
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Asuka Smith
The Defias Brotherhood
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.25 21:29:00 -
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This is the best of the gamebreaking changes suggested.
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Lakche
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Posted - 2008.06.25 21:44:00 -
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Oy... once upon a time, WCS were too popular. The nerf came, so that they reduce your targeting range, making them a defensive module. Once upon a time, ECM was too popular. The nerf came, so that only ships with weak DPS (read: defensive) could effectively use it. MWD's are too popular. Why not make them use WCS's, or ECM to be effective?
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Atlanticpyro
The Space BorderLine
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Posted - 2008.06.25 21:48:00 -
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Umm... Just Say No....
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Foocurr
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Posted - 2008.06.25 21:56:00 -
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MWD's are not too popular.
PVP for another year or so and come back.
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SuiJuris
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Posted - 2008.06.25 22:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Foocurr
MWD's are not too popular.
PVP for another year or so and come back.
not saying I agree with the OP but MWD's ARE TOO popular, They are the first thing Anyone fits to ANY PvP ship without a second thought.
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Gamesguy
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.25 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: SuiJuris
Originally by: Foocurr
MWD's are not too popular.
PVP for another year or so and come back.
not saying I agree with the OP but MWD's ARE TOO popular, They are the first thing Anyone fits to ANY PvP ship without a second thought.
Thats because bubbles and webs are overpowered.
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Rumai Ning
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Posted - 2008.06.26 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: SuiJuris
Originally by: Foocurr
MWD's are not too popular.
PVP for another year or so and come back.
not saying I agree with the OP but MWD's ARE TOO popular, They are the first thing Anyone fits to ANY PvP ship without a second thought.
Thats because bubbles and webs are overpowered.
It has nothing to do with the fact that 70% of the PVP ships you'll encounter be Nano'ed.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Hanneshannes on 26/06/2008 07:12:00
So, basically a 20k web on every ship...
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Imaos
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
Edited by: Hanneshannes on 26/06/2008 07:12:00
So, basically a 20k web on every ship...
It is 24k. It also only webs MWDing ships to normal speed and removes the pesky cap use and sig radius, too. 
Bad part is it would be free as the Scram would be fitted anyway.
If a MWD gave a point or two warp core stability if offline... If the Scrambler strips your speed you can still warp away.
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Maeltstome
Suicidal Office Clerks
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Posted - 2008.06.26 08:03:00 -
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The reason MWD's are more popular now than before is because eve as a whole got smarter - not because of some crazy random trend. Before WCS nerf vaga's wouldnt kite you, they'd just get in your face with hail and melt you twice as fast - so dont think that nano has suddenly made eve a terrible palce to live in.
Many years ago BS would fly without webs, ravens would rat in 0.4 with torps, no-one would check local and ECM was a useful tool on an unbonused ship.
Long story short, the smarter your prey, the smater the hunter has to be to catch them.
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Anubis Hatak
OUTLAWZ IMMORTAL
White Core
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Posted - 2008.06.26 08:35:00 -
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90% of people's ****ty nano solutions would kill ceptors, you give any sort of web range bonus (or this peice of crap for an idea) and ceptors will be screwed over simple as...
P.S. Your idea sucks.
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Artemis Rose
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.06.26 08:51:00 -
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Why doesn't the forums perma-jam nano whines?
We may never know.
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Lakche
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Posted - 2008.06.26 08:58:00 -
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Except the point is interceptors could fit afterburners, and use disruptors to keep from getting tackled by larger ships. It just creates more versatility, and opens up new tactics. Right now, if you want to catch someone with a MWD, you need a MWD. If you want to tackle someone, you need to get tackled yourself. It's hard to get 'leverage' on tougher ships, because if you do, you just get overpowered. (Except against HAC's that nano themselves.)
Plus, where's the logic in someone micro warping away when you've warp scrambled them? Tactically it's the same as ships that can just warp away any time, which is what the nano whining is really all about; ships that can engage, and disengage combat any time they want. (Except against HAC's that nano themselves.)
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Red zeon
Circle of Shadows
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Posted - 2008.06.26 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Red zeon on 26/06/2008 09:32:32
Originally by: Lakche
Except the point is interceptors could fit afterburners, and use disruptors to keep from getting tackled by larger ships. It just creates more versatility, and opens up new tactics. Right now, if you want to catch someone with a MWD, you need a MWD. If you want to tackle someone, you need to get tackled yourself. It's hard to get 'leverage' on tougher ships, because if you do, you just get overpowered. (Except against HAC's that nano themselves.)
Plus, where's the logic in someone micro warping away when you've warp scrambled them? Tactically it's the same as ships that can just warp away any time, which is what the nano whining is really all about; ships that can engage, and disengage combat any time they want. (Except against HAC's that nano themselves.)
theres alot of logic to that, the disrupter disrupts target lock for the warp computer, so it cannot calculate the distance or lock where to warp, where mwd simply puts out a little more speed, or the pilot might manually push the fuel valve?
EDIT: so you suggestin ceptors should do afterburners, and some bc comes and flys faster than the interceptor? and then the ceptor would pop in like 3sec since all the bullets hit the ceptor, and also, why would a bigger ship be able to tackle a ceptor? ceptors are for tackling, your idea is bad, you like distrupt peoples scram so you can use mwd, whats the point with ceptor then? fly around with mwd not doing a ****?
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Matrixcvd
Rionnag Alba
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.26 10:36:00 -
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maybe because the micro warp core generation brings only 20% of the muons to defocus the higgs boson collimater resulting in only half the tachyone reverse gaussian wavepackets from constructively interfere with sufficient gravitons... eh, and what did you say?
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Kay Rissa
Russian Thunder Squad
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.26 10:46:00 -
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tbh if you look at the description of mwd and Warp disruptors, warp disruptor should stop mwd running. But lets pray that it would never be changed this way
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.26 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rumai Ning
It has nothing to do with the fact that 70% of the PVP ships you'll encounter be Nano'ed.
It's a good thing 89% of statistics are made up on the spot, otherwise people might have been confused and thought you knew what you were talking about.
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Saietor Blackgreen
The First Foundation
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:09:00 -
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It is the same as removal of MWD from the game completely.
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Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rumai Ning
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: SuiJuris
Originally by: Foocurr
MWD's are not too popular.
PVP for another year or so and come back.
not saying I agree with the OP but MWD's ARE TOO popular, They are the first thing Anyone fits to ANY PvP ship without a second thought.
Thats because bubbles and webs are overpowered.
It has nothing to do with the fact that 70% of the PVP ships you'll encounter be Nano'ed.
Pure bull****, I live in 0.0 and low sec (JC between them on a nearly daily basis) and that percentage is pure bull****.
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:19:00 -
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Because that would obsolete webs.
Thread over.
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Thirzarr
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:30:00 -
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Oh dear... somehow most of the pro nano people here sound like Warlocks in Warcraft... xD sry, but read it: its all there: "l2p" "fine" "balanced" ... *sigh*
Cummon, Eve doenst need this.
And it doesnt need LESS speed. More Action!
I am not pro "Cruisers being interceptors". But I am very pro anti blob and pro small gang warfare.
On the other hand: WCS was removed to force to commitment to a fight. Nano for the vast majority of players is just the new WCS.
For some, few, pilots I bet its a way-of-eve-life. :) Speeeeed.
Now get online and shoot it out.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
TRUST Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Angelonico
Because that would obsolete webs.
Actually, it would obsolete MWD, since every target in PvP gets warp disrupted as a matter of course. So no-one would fit a MWD to their ship as it would be useless any time they actually wanted to use it.
While I agree that the whole concept of speed and range needs to be revisited, removing the viability of MWD in PvP combat is not the answer. What is needed is a non-binary counter, i.e. longer-ranged yet weaker webs (or equivalent). I really like Goumindong's suggestion as this is well thought-out (and also increases the viability of afterburners by giving them an implicit web resistance).
Quote:
Thread over.
Agreed.
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Ragnor Dayton
Personal Vendetta
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:45:00 -
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Maybe better to make it a MWD speed boost effect though rather than complete disruption needing a WCS to correct. So if the scrambler/disrupter had say a -100%/-50% respectively MWD speed boost effect (based on current strengths of 2/1) due to it's interferance with the MWD, this could be mitigated by a 20% reduction in scram/disrupt speed effect per level bonus for inties so that with Interceptors 5 it has no speed reduction effect and 10% per level bonus for all other T1/T2 frigates and possibly the Vagabond, as these ships are also meant to be fast, giving us
L5 = 0%/0% MWD speed bonus reduction
L4 = 20%/10% MWD speed bonus reduction
L3 = 40%/20% MWD speed bonus reduction
L2 = 60%/30% MWD speed bonus reduction
L1 = 80%/40% MWD speed bonus reduction
Others 100%/50% speed reduction
This should only apply to modules with a scram strength - for HIC focussed script and all bubbles, as they are infinite, they should have no speed bonus reduction effect, keeping the MWD use for getting out of bubbles intact. Also there may need to be a stacking effect with webs on the speed reduction.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ragnor Dayton
Maybe better to make it a MWD speed boost effect though rather than complete disruption needing a WCS to correct.
It's a fundamentally bad idea - tweaking it makes it less bad, but will never make it good. Best to just let it die.
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