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CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:47:00 - [1] The Council of Stellar Management has had their first in person meeting with the CCP council. Xhagen wrote a quick blog about how it all went and what the future holds. Read it all in Council of Stellar Management Summit Recap by Xhagen. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email "It's not worth doing something unless you are doing something that someone, somewhere, would much rather you weren't doing."

Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:57:00 - [2] Edited by: Razin on 26/06/2008 14:01:56 So, was anything discussed regarding nerfing the Local intel? A couple of other questions: Was the meeting agenda ever published on this site (or anywhere else)? When do we get to read the minutes? ...
Caiman Graystock Quantum of Solace	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:09:00 - [3] Will minutes be published?
Arondor Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:13:00 - [4] Can we get a list of topics discussed/ brought up?
Trojanman190 D00M. The Requiem	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:42:00 - [5] I'm amazed that they didn't say anything about what was talked about...
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:57:00 - [6] These are the issues that were discussed: 0001 Skill Queue Functionality 0002 Bombs need a Boost 0003 Problems with Aggression Timer 0004 Black Ops Improvements 0005 CSM should vote for it's own Chairman 0006 Destructable Outposts 0007 Double Click of Pilot name/avatar 0008 Cargo hold size of ships in hangar 0009 Alliances and Faction Warfare 0010 5% Voting issues 0011 Electronic Warfare Icons in the Overview 0012 Minium Size of HUD Elements 0013 Skill page tweaks 0014 Personal Asset HUD Element tweak 0015 Pilot avatar listing in chat channel 0016 Switch ammo for all weapons at once 0017 Discussion on Empire War Dec mechanics 0018 0.0 Sovereignty Issues 0019 Contract Improvements 0020 Public POS Arrays 0021 Assembly Array Issues 0022 Shares, dividends and stock market discussion 0023 Sell Order availability standing, Seller Name Listing 0024 Experimental Industry Issues, Long-Term industry discussion 0025 Game Time Code Concerns 0026 Suicide Ganking 0027 Drone Implants 0028 Forum Issues and fixes The minutes are being worked on. I don't have any ETA on it though. Sorry.
Arous Drephius	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:26:00 - [7] Cheers LV.
Jerat Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:33:00 - [8] Bin waiting for these 3 changes 0002 Bombs need a Boost 0004 Black Ops Improvements 0016 Switch ammo for all weapons at once Good to hear that it was a good meeting.
Fehn Gamin Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:40:00 - [9] Edited by: Fehn Gamin on 26/06/2008 15:40:44 Thanks for the list, Lavista. Edit: and thanks to CCP Xhagen for the blog - nice to be kept in the loop.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:41:00 - [10] Edited by: Razin on 26/06/2008 15:41:51 Thanks for the list LaVista Vista! Originally by: LaVista Vista These are the issues that were discussed: ... 0015 Pilot avatar listing in chat channel ... I guess this is the "nerf the Local intel" subject? ...

Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:48:00 - [11] Originally by: LaVista Vista These are the issues that were discussed: 0001 Skill Queue Functionality 0002 Bombs need a Boost 0003 Problems with Aggression Timer 0004 Black Ops Improvements 0005 CSM should vote for it's own Chairman 0006 Destructable Outposts 0007 Double Click of Pilot name/avatar 0008 Cargo hold size of ships in hangar 0009 Alliances and Faction Warfare 0010 5% Voting issues 0011 Electronic Warfare Icons in the Overview 0012 Minium Size of HUD Elements 0013 Skill page tweaks 0014 Personal Asset HUD Element tweak 0015 Pilot avatar listing in chat channel 0016 Switch ammo for all weapons at once 0017 Discussion on Empire War Dec mechanics 0018 0.0 Sovereignty Issues 0019 Contract Improvements 0020 Public POS Arrays 0021 Assembly Array Issues 0022 Shares, dividends and stock market discussion 0023 Sell Order availability standing, Seller Name Listing 0024 Experimental Industry Issues, Long-Term industry discussion 0025 Game Time Code Concerns 0026 Suicide Ganking 0027 Drone Implants 0028 Forum Issues and fixes The minutes are being worked on. I don't have any ETA on it though. Sorry. just a quick question, is that CCPs priority, the CSMs priority, or is it actualy random or justin the order that items came up?
Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Trojanman190 I'm amazed that they didn't say anything about what was talked about... I hate to say this but that seems to be fairly typical, hell its vitualy a form letter for the "first followup" announcment for any stockholder meeting, bascialy its It started [insert breif timeline]û the idea to [insert Idea] and [insert apropreate buzzworded statment and puncuation] Today, [refer to event in the past with references to goin over the input], it is a time [insert context apropreat name to type of comunication]. In short, [refer to even in the most positive manor possible]. [give pat on the head to outside participants] and [statment of intention to work on the items they brought up]. [insert random prase for both sides implying more prase to non company participants. The next step is to [refer to working on items brought up by stockholders]. [refer to and lightly emphisise the of the ammount of work needed to impliment the ideas without listing the ideas], [refer to the priority indicated by stockholders]. [reemphisize the practicality of any proposal without actualy refering to any proposal while implying subtly that the items brought up were already known to the company]. After some planning, we will proceed to [reference ideas/concerns brought up by the stockholders in a manor that indicates that they will be reviewed, handled, or otherwise acted on] . [indicate that you will make sure that items brought up by the participating stockhlder/participants will be linked to them in a way that implies that they can take some of the credit of they are acted on, or if need be most of the blame] [indicate in a vauge manor that they will work on them, but also vaugly indicate that Frankly were going to do it our way anyway] [insert praise for the participants in a way that indicates that their input was constructive and that things were overall positive] ----------------------------- Sorry but I have gotten too many "Day after followup" letters (and helped prepare some myself) like that from companys BEFORE the stockholder meetings to give them any more thought than its realy worth
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:30:00 - [13] Heh.. interesting.. although that CSM list reminded me of the time Robocop got too many directives. * DIRECTIVE 233 Restrain hostile feelings * DIRECTIVE 234 Promote positive attitude * DIRECTIVE 235 Suppress aggressiveness * DIRECTIVE 236 Promote pro-social values * DIRECTIVE 238 Avoid destructive behavior * DIRECTIVE 239 Be accessible * DIRECTIVE 240 Participate in group activities * DIRECTIVE 241 Avoid interpersonal conflicts * DIRECTIVE 242 Avoid premature value judgments * DIRECTIVE 243 Pool opinions before expressing yourself * DIRECTIVE 244 Discourage feelings of negativity and hostility * DIRECTIVE 245 If you haven't got anything nice to say don't talk * DIRECTIVE 246 Don't rush traffic lights * DIRECTIVE 247 Don't run through puddles and splash pedestrians or other cars * DIRECTIVE 248 Don't say that you are always prompt when you are not * DIRECTIVE 249 Don't be oversensitive to the hostility and negativity of others * DIRECTIVE 250 Don't walk across a ballroom floor swinging your arms * DIRECTIVE 254 Encourage awareness * DIRECTIVE 256 Discourage harsh language * DIRECTIVE 258 Commend sincere efforts * DIRECTIVE 261 Talk things out * DIRECTIVE 262 Avoid Orion meetings * DIRECTIVE 266 Smile * DIRECTIVE 267 Keep an open mind * DIRECTIVE 268 Encourage participation * DIRECTIVE 273 Avoid stereotyping * DIRECTIVE 278 Seek non-violent solutions -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:32:00 - [14] as to why I was a bit sarcastic? One of the leters like that that went out came from a stockholder meeting where the "Stockholder input" section consisted entirely of the following sugestions 1 Retrofitting all of our product piplines with a 3 inch thick lineing sleeve that would self seal in case of a leak(in some cases that would reduce the product pipelin to 3 inches, but whatever) 2) close down any product line that is within 500m of any housing farm or buisness untill we bought it out and reverted it to its natural state. (he also proposed that we move any product pipleline that cosed any river or creak) 3) fire any employee who held stock in a softdrink company or fast food franchise 4) stop working with irresponsible companies like Exxon and work exclusivly with green companies like BP, this, incidenatly was the week before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Refinery_(BP) this
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 26/06/2008 15:41:51 Thanks for the list LaVista Vista! Originally by: LaVista Vista These are the issues that were discussed: ... 0015 Pilot avatar listing in chat channel ... I guess this is the "nerf the Local intel" subject? No, we didn't discuss local nerf, though it might be a hot topic for next CSM meeting in 2 months. The problem at hand is that it's not optional to show avatars in the pilot listing, which takes up large amounts of space. The idea is to make it optional.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Raymon James just a quick question, is that CCPs priority, the CSMs priority, or is it actualy random or justin the order that items came up? No There is a reworked list with priority. But I am not sure if it has been posted yet.
Sha'Uri Dark Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:17:00 - [17] Anything on making kill rights tradeable or a bounty system that works? -------------------------------- As a Freelancer...scratch that Originally by: Shar Tegral Stop projecting your out of game beliefs of what society should be upon the rest of us. said it best.
ThunderGodThor KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:56:00 - [18] Anything bout eve turning into CAPSonline? and the proliferation of titans?
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.26 18:28:00 - [19] Originally by: ThunderGodThor Anything bout eve turning into CAPSonline? and the proliferation of titans? Not yet, we haven't had appropriate ISSUEs coming up for discussion on the Assembly Hall. We've got some things in the pipeline about Minmatar capitals (balance) wise. But there hasn't yet been a good Titan topic, and the Caps Online topic we did have didn't through the CSM voting because it was covering too many specific proposals in one raft. I'd suggest for Titan's we need a good "lets look at the current and future role for titans" (with some imaginative ideas and directions) style topic rather than overly specific nerf this nerf that style proposal. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.26 18:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Sha'Uri Dark Anything on making kill rights tradeable or a bounty system that works? Plenty of talk in the topics. Lots on crime and punishment, and some good proposals on altering the bounty system so it gets paid incrementally on ship losses (at basic insurance level) rather than in one go for the pod. Lots of detail to come but lets wait for the minutes CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!

Serenity Steele	Posted - 2008.06.26 19:50:00 - [21] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 26/06/2008 19:50:59 We performed the prioritisation on the last day after end of the CSM/CCP meetings, so once the minutes are ready CCP will have the prioritisation. One key thing that we learnt during the sessions is that CCP are open to much wider discussion on the future of EVE than many of the detailed balancing issues. Also that technical detail raised in some of the threads is not necessary - if we state the goal of where we as players would like EVE to go (eg. self-policing through transferable kill rights) then CCP are keen to work out the technicalities. It was to be expected that the focus would be on immediate issues, given this is the first chance the Player base got a formal voice into CCP. It would be nice to get the immediate concerns into the pipeline fast enough that we can at least get to the big stuff by the last CSM/CCP issue submission. Earlier is probably unrealistic given the backlog of things the players have pent up for a few years and want in. ≡v≡ Strategic Maps now in Eve-Online Store - Includes Black Rise & Empyrean Age
Manfred Rickenbocker The Elliance Delta.Green	Posted - 2008.06.26 21:10:00 - [22] Lemme be one to say: congrats to the first CSM meeting. Im glad so much stuff was covered. Thank you to LaVista for the topic list, I am curious as to how these topics were presented however and what was discussed. ------------------------ Peace through superior firepower: a guiding principle for uncertain times.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.26 21:19:00 - [23] You know, consulting the big honking database that backs Tranquility would tell you more, more accurately, and with less bias than asking people about hot button issues. This is something that was covered in depth here: Coding Horror: I Repeat: Do Not Listen to Your Users - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Trojanman190 D00M. The Requiem	Posted - 2008.06.26 22:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Xaen You know, consulting the big honking database that backs Tranquility would tell you more, more accurately, and with less bias than asking people about hot button issues. This is something that was covered in depth here: Coding Horror: I Repeat: Do Not Listen to Your Users That was a good read.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.26 22:47:00 - [25] Awesome! so when is the next election? moon thinks there needs to be Future changes and new player experience represented. I didn't see anything about tutorial videos or planary combat for instance. So I'm wondering when I should start campaigning:P
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.26 22:51:00 - [26] Originally by: LaVista Vista These are the issues that were discussed: 0001 Skill Queue Functionality 0002 Bombs need a Boost 0003 Problems with Aggression Timer 0004 Black Ops Improvements 0005 CSM should vote for it's own Chairman 0006 Destructable Outposts 0007 Double Click of Pilot name/avatar 0008 Cargo hold size of ships in hangar 0009 Alliances and Faction Warfare 0010 5% Voting issues 0011 Electronic Warfare Icons in the Overview 0012 Minium Size of HUD Elements 0013 Skill page tweaks 0014 Personal Asset HUD Element tweak 0015 Pilot avatar listing in chat channel 0016 Switch ammo for all weapons at once 0017 Discussion on Empire War Dec mechanics 0018 0.0 Sovereignty Issues 0019 Contract Improvements 0020 Public POS Arrays 0021 Assembly Array Issues 0022 Shares, dividends and stock market discussion 0023 Sell Order availability standing, Seller Name Listing 0024 Experimental Industry Issues, Long-Term industry discussion 0025 Game Time Code Concerns 0026 Suicide Ganking 0027 Drone Implants 0028 Forum Issues and fixes The minutes are being worked on. I don't have any ETA on it though. Sorry. I thought you voted yes on the funky POS changes? you know being able top build towers and bridges connecting the POS modules... no wait, I'm SURE you did.
Mashie Saldana Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.06.26 22:59:00 - [27] Originally by: LaVista Vista These are the issues that were discussed: 0016 Switch ammo for all weapons at once It was a recent dev post on the forum about that which in short stated that it won't happen as it simply will cause too much load on the database. Shame as it would be a very nice feature.
Taedrin Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.26 23:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Xaen You know, consulting the big honking database that backs Tranquility would tell you more, more accurately, and with less bias than asking people about hot button issues. This is something that was covered in depth here: Coding Horror: I Repeat: Do Not Listen to Your Users From that website: Quote: Acting on user feedback alone is questionable. No matter how well intentioned, you're guessing. Why guess when you can take actions based on cold, hard data? Acting on user feedback and detailed usage metrics for your application or website-- that's the gold standard. I highly doubt that CCP will be stupid enough to just simply listen to what the CSM has to say and implement their decisions without consulting the cold, hard data. And to be honest, if CCP didn't listen to the users, the UI would NEVER get fixed. Of course, the UI is still a horrible mess, so perhaps they really aren't listening just like that rule dictates...
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2008.06.26 23:20:00 - [29] Thanks to the CSM members who posted some details on what got talked about. I was astonished and horrified at the complete lack of information in the actual dev blog itself. Pat everybody on the back and say nothing at all, WTF? ------------------ Ironfleet.com
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.27 00:04:00 - [30] Originally by: LaVista Vista These are the issues that were discussed: 0001 Skill Queue Functionality 0002 Bombs need a Boost 0003 Problems with Aggression Timer 0004 Black Ops Improvements 0005 CSM should vote for it's own Chairman 0006 Destructable Outposts 0007 Double Click of Pilot name/avatar 0008 Cargo hold size of ships in hangar 0009 Alliances and Faction Warfare 0010 5% Voting issues 0011 Electronic Warfare Icons in the Overview 0012 Minium Size of HUD Elements 0013 Skill page tweaks 0014 Personal Asset HUD Element tweak 0015 Pilot avatar listing in chat channel 0016 Switch ammo for all weapons at once 0017 Discussion on Empire War Dec mechanics 0018 0.0 Sovereignty Issues 0019 Contract Improvements 0020 Public POS Arrays 0021 Assembly Array Issues 0022 Shares, dividends and stock market discussion 0023 Sell Order availability standing, Seller Name Listing 0024 Experimental Industry Issues, Long-Term industry discussion 0025 Game Time Code Concerns 0026 Suicide Ganking 0027 Drone Implants 0028 Forum Issues and fixes The minutes are being worked on. I don't have any ETA on it though. Sorry. if these are the biggest issues for the playerbase i would say eve dont have to many problems



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