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Yoo Sak	Posted - 2008.06.28 18:59:00 - [1] Just heard from a friend that CCP took one of his ships without giving him any money for it, claiming it was built with minerals mined by bots. Thing is, he bought the ship on the MARKET. He petitioned it, got a response that they would not give him anything sent it back and got the same answer. HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE? So if we buy something from market we have no guarantee that we will be allowed to keep the things? And how are we supposed to know what ships to buy and what ships not to buy? There is no way anyone can be able to tell where the minerals the ship was built of came from. If this is a policy that CCP intend to keep up the whole market system will become very strange.
Xparky Passaddhi	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:03:00 - [2] When you buy a dreadnought for 5 isk from an isk seller it's kinda obvious what you're doing....
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:03:00 - [3] Your friend. He bought isks. He lied to you about it. That's how it's even possible.
Eran Laude Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:04:00 - [4] Sounds to me like a macro miner, probably just had 100 bil stripped from him, being all whiny[TM] and having a cheap parting shot at CCP. Kthxbai.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Tamia Clant on 28/06/2008 19:05:19 Another of these threads, awesome! Let me give you a summary of what's going to happen: 1 - A bunch of people are going to come here and tell you your "friend" bought ISK 2 - Your friend will then attempt to refute those claims, and accuse CCP of scamming him 3 - A GM will then post in this thread, showing proof that your friend has in fact been involved in activities that violate the EULA 4 - Your friend will stop posting 5 - ??? 6 - Profit! EDIT: Damn, I was too late, part 1 has begun already.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:06:00 - [6] Edited by: Amastat on 28/06/2008 19:06:30 Yea - that is unfortunate. CCP doesn't really... to put it simply, give a crap - if your friend was unaware of what he was buying. You can't really tell unfortunately, no way to see it coming... it needs to be worked on, it's simply not fair that this keeps happening to people, and they have no way to avoid it - it just comes out of nowhere. The core blame is the damned RMT'ers, but the policy CCP has on it is real bogus too. CCP did a investigation I am sure, they tracked the transaction of the illegal ISK, and found out where the ISK went - and removed it from the game. Unfortunately, people like your friend, are considered collateral damage, under CCP's policy on this. Or your friend is just lying to you about it - that happens just as often with these stories. Though, lying about it wouldn't do any good - it won't change anything.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Tamia Clant Edited by: Tamia Clant on 28/06/2008 19:05:19 Another of these threads, awesome! Let me give you a summary of what's going to happen: 1 - A bunch of people are going to come here and tell you your "friend" bought ISK 2 - Your friend will then attempt to refute those claims, and accuse CCP of scamming him 3 - A GM will then post in this thread, showing proof that your friend has in fact been involved in activities that violate the EULA 4 - Your friend will stop posting 5 - ??? 6 - Profit! EDIT: Damn, I was too late, part 1 has begun already. How dou you knoe before hapend?
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire How dou you knoe before hapend? History repeats itself because people never learn....
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:34:00 - [9] I saw ...
Pardack Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Tamia Clant Edited by: Tamia Clant on 28/06/2008 19:05:19 Another of these threads, awesome! Let me give you a summary of what's going to happen: 1 - A bunch of people are going to come here and tell you your "friend" bought ISK 2 - Your friend will then attempt to refute those claims, and accuse CCP of scamming him 3 - A GM will then post in this thread, showing proof that your friend has in fact been involved in activities that violate the EULA 4 - Your friend will stop posting 5 - ??? 6 - Profit! EDIT: Damn, I was too late, part 1 has begun already. How dou you knoe before hapend? I'll take either of Jenny's previous incarnations over this driveling pile of excrement anyday. I also semi-agree with what Tamia is saying, there's lots of complaining going on and a majority of the time it's the player's fault. The GMs on the other hand don't exactly have the best record with regards to consistency or thoroughness. It could go either way BUT judging from the tone and nature of the OP, I do agree with the former explanation.
Yoo Sak	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:41:00 - [11] Edited by: Yoo Sak on 28/06/2008 19:42:31 No, the point is. He bought a BS off of MARKET, then CCP took it. All this crap about your friend did this and that is beside the point. You can have as many theories as you want, but what happened is that. Nothing else. He bought it from the market, CCP took his ship, and refuses to give him anything for it. How is that even possible? And don't say it isn't, because it happened. Edit: It was a Battleship, and the amount was not like 5 isk or anything. It was about the same amount as all the other ships, so there was no way of telling..
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Yoo Sak Edited by: Yoo Sak on 28/06/2008 19:42:31 No, the point is. He bought a BS off of MARKET, then CCP took it. All this crap about your friend did this and that is beside the point. You can have as many theories as you want, but what happened is that. Nothing else. He bought it from the market, CCP took his ship, and refuses to give him anything for it. How is that even possible? And don't say it isn't, because it happened. Edit: It was a Battleship, and the amount was not like 5 isk or anything. It was about the same amount as all the other ships, so there was no way of telling.. And why should I belive you?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:46:00 - [13] posting in an obvious whine alt thread It'a hilarious how its always the "friend" that comes to the forum to whine with an anonymus alt and of course this alts name is pronounced "you suck" so it is kind of a dead give away
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Yoo Sak No, the point is. He bought a BS off of MARKET, then CCP took it. All this crap about your friend did this and that is beside the point. You can have as many theories as you want, but what happened is that. Nothing else. He bought it from the market, CCP took his ship, and refuses to give him anything for it. How is that even possible? And don't say it isn't, because it happened. Edit: It was a Battleship, and the amount was not like 5 isk or anything. It was about the same amount as all the other ships, so there was no way of telling.. Really, you're not doing yourself or your friend any favour by taking this to the forums. I've never heard of a GM removing a ship for such a reason, I'm pretty sure they only remove isk. Anyway, I'll say just two things: 1) Your friend most likely is lying to you. 2) Your friend should ask for his petition to be escalated.
Doonoo Boonoo	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:48:00 - [15] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 28/06/2008 19:48:38 nm
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Yoo Sak No, the point is. He bought a BS off of MARKET, then CCP took it. At what price? If it was way lower than going price it can easily be an attempt to clean isk. Or he wasp paying with isk from macroed minerals as your first post seem to hint. Originally by: Yoo Sak All this crap about your friend did this and that is beside the point. You can have as many theories as you want, but what happened is that. Nothing else. He bought it from the market, CCP took his ship, and refuses to give him anything for it. How is that even possible? And don't say it isn't, because it happened. Edit: It was a Battleship, and the amount was not like 5 isk or anything. It was about the same amount as all the other ships, so there was no way of telling.. The point is: how the isk he used were generated? If all his kosher he can escalate the petition and get the ship back. There is a limited tendency by GM to delete all items linked to macro activity, but if the friend (why it is always a friend posting and almost never the actual person? Because for the friend is more easy to deny knowing some key point?) has got the isk legitimatly and the ship had a reasonable price he will get it back.
Caina Staras Caldari Caldari Interstellar Mining and Shipping	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:48:00 - [17] CCP is far from reasonable in many of these cases, in all honesty. Its highly likely that your friend is lying and bought isk or something of this nature and is just attempting to get back at CCP. However on the same side CCP nowhere in the EULA (as far as i know i havent read it lately and may have changed in recent patches) in no part states that they have the right to reclaim property in this manner and state the sole punishment for violation of the EULA as banning. They also in no form state the requirements for determining said violation or if they have any requirements at all. For all its known they can simply decide you bought isk with no evidnece at all and take action. I guess this could be covered under the parts that state all of your isk etc is the property of CCP, and they can do what they want with it but that hardly makes it any less dodgy imo. I assume this is the only way they can enforce isk selling etc however as it would require them to actualy obtain credit card statements proving you actualy spent real money for the transfer of isk. The entire system is flawed simply because the legal system that its built upon is flawed. So basicaly CCP can pretty much do whatever the hell they want and get away with it. the majority of laws are created to protect corporations not the common citizen or consumer. There are countless examples of large corporations bending laws and getting away with it simply because no one who cares has the money to engage in the long legal battles required to do anything about it.
Caldreean Dawnwalkers	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:48:00 - [18] The problem here is that most times people are going on the words of their friend - turns out their friend lied to them. So until said friend wants to come here himself and speak, nothing you say matters.
Yoo Sak	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:50:00 - [19] There is no whining at all. I have nothing to gain from whining here, since I am not the one who lost the ship. And wether you believe me or not doesnt matter... All I¦m saying is that this is what happened, and I cant imagine that anyone here thinks it is fair. Or am I mistaken? And yes, it is an alt.. And yes, the name is Yoo Sak, which is gonna be so much fun when I know that being called primary is gonna sound great on the enemys TS.. But that is also beside the point.. :)
Tyrantus Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:53:00 - [20] So why doesn't your 'friend' come and say something? Last time I checked CCP doesn't cut off your forum posting rights for buying isk just your wallet.
Ko Shimin Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:53:00 - [21] Let me tell you a little story. I once got anice loot from a plex. A Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field II. Needed the cash asap and sold it to a contractor in Jita. At that time it went for 350-450 mil. I sold it for 300m. Some 4-5 months later I found my wallet 300m poorer on the account that the isk came from a known isk seller.. I petitioned and got back nothing. From my point of view, CCP is greedy and their anti isk seller policy has changed into paranoia. I am pretty confident that the isk sellers, using mining bots and other ways of making isk to sell count for a significat part of our population. Banning them would not be profitable. But removing isk from buyers, not removing, reversing the trade, is a slap on the buyers hand, forcing him into gtc trade (that is no more an option since the 30 days gtc removal), while keeping the farmers ingame. The farmers get their isk back and probably sell it to another sucker, knowing that the isk will come back to them. Out of curiousity, I went to several isk selling sites, and contacted them asking how my isk will be delivered if I purchase. All answered: wallet. Told them that by that method the GMs would remove it for sure from my wallet, and asked if Im put a contract, selling some crap item for 1bil, they would accept the contract? Answer was: wallet only. This only confirms to me that the isk sellers have no interest in delivering "safely" to you, as in the end, they will remain with their isk and your $$$. And one more question i have for ccp: what are the GMs for? cause the only petitions they positively answer to are when stuck. From all my petitions, only the stuck related ones got a positive answer. You should change their job from GM to Economic Police.. EVE is a great game, but CCP greed and poor support/abusive GMs will ruin it slowly and surely..
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Yoo Sak Just heard from a friend that CCP took one of his ships without giving him any money for it, claiming it was built with minerals mined by bots. Thing is, he bought the ship on the MARKET. He petitioned it, got a response that they would not give him anything sent it back and got the same answer. HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE? So if we buy something from market we have no guarantee that we will be allowed to keep the things? And how are we supposed to know what ships to buy and what ships not to buy? There is no way anyone can be able to tell where the minerals the ship was built of came from. If this is a policy that CCP intend to keep up the whole market system will become very strange. Quoting for posterity. And LOL. Always a "friend" and always "evil CCP." Your "friend" lied, and "evil CCP" do not take stuff away bought from the market, unless it is a blatant thing, like Cruise Missile sold for 5 Billion ISK.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:58:00 - [23] Get your friend to post here. It's always the firend (of a friend of a friend...) that had those encounters and some no name alt posting the threads. 1.) Friend buys BS from RMT site. 2.) RMTer tells friend to buy ship from the market at a certain station. 3.) RMTer gives back ISK 4.) GMs investigate, detect the laundry and delete the ship. This is how something like your 'case' can happen. But most likely you are just another troll being bored out of its mind, what's left of it anyways.... -------- Ideas for: Mining
Ko Shimin Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Yoo Sak Just heard from a friend that CCP took one of his ships without giving him any money for it, claiming it was built with minerals mined by bots. Thing is, he bought the ship on the MARKET. He petitioned it, got a response that they would not give him anything sent it back and got the same answer. HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE? So if we buy something from market we have no guarantee that we will be allowed to keep the things? And how are we supposed to know what ships to buy and what ships not to buy? There is no way anyone can be able to tell where the minerals the ship was built of came from. If this is a policy that CCP intend to keep up the whole market system will become very strange. Quoting for posterity. And LOL. Always a "friend" and always "evil CCP." Your "friend" lied, and "evil CCP" do not take stuff away bought from the market, unless it is a blatant thing, like Cruise Missile sold for 5 Billion ISK. Well, CCP gives s**t about scammers, that's why we see so many scam contracts all around us. I agree that in most cases CCP is right and isk selling/buying is involved, but I am also confident that there is also collateral damage. I was one of such collateral damage..
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:02:00 - [25] Edited by: Shintai on 28/06/2008 20:05:18 Yoo Sak, Jin Mei line. member of federal navy academy for 6 months and 12 days. Never done standing or tutorial. And sec status 0.0 Frequent GTC trader: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=803081&page=1#2 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=803054&page=1#1 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=785311&page=1#2 Lets face it, buying isk for you aint a new thing. Have a nice day... -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Ko Shimin Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Yoo Sak Just heard from a friend that CCP took one of his ships without giving him any money for it, claiming it was built with minerals mined by bots. Thing is, he bought the ship on the MARKET. He petitioned it, got a response that they would not give him anything sent it back and got the same answer. HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE? So if we buy something from market we have no guarantee that we will be allowed to keep the things? And how are we supposed to know what ships to buy and what ships not to buy? There is no way anyone can be able to tell where the minerals the ship was built of came from. If this is a policy that CCP intend to keep up the whole market system will become very strange. Quoting for posterity. And LOL. Always a "friend" and always "evil CCP." Your "friend" lied, and "evil CCP" do not take stuff away bought from the market, unless it is a blatant thing, like Cruise Missile sold for 5 Billion ISK. Well, CCP gives s**t about scammers, that's why we see so many scam contracts all around us. I agree that in most cases CCP is right and isk selling/buying is involved, but I am also confident that there is also collateral damage. I was one of such collateral damage.. Possible, have you tried escalating, giving wallet shots if available? GM are humans so errors and collateral damage are possible, even if pretty rare. Reversing the trade (you got your moduel back, BTW? that will explain why the isk were deleted) will not get back the isk to the isk seller, as the account is banned with all his isk.
Ko Shimin Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:09:00 - [27] Edited by: Ko Shimin on 28/06/2008 20:10:57 I escalated to get the same answer.. Actually I escalated all my petitions, and all apart from the stuck ones did not end positive to me. I am playing this game as I have no other option in this game genere. But as soon as another space mmo will appear, CCP will lose a great deal of subscribers.
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire How dou you knoe before hapend? WANT OLD JENNY BACK Also, I call bull**** on the OP. GMs stated somewhere that they do not take items involved in RMT, they take the ISK.
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:15:00 - [29] Your "friend" is a liar and you are being naive. The GMs do not work in the manner described by the OP.
Ko Shimin Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:22:00 - [30] I think that if CCP would like to solve the problem of isk selling, a good solution would be to sell the isk themselves in Account Services. But they don't want that do they? Cause that would probably force a few hundred isk farmer subscribers to quit..

GM Krymus Game Masters	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:25:00 - [31] I would suggest that there is a possible miscommunication here; we do not take any sort of action such as this.

Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Yoo Sak There is no whining at all. I have nothing to gain from whining here, since I am not the one who lost the ship. And wether you believe me or not doesnt matter... All I¦m saying is that this is what happened, and I cant imagine that anyone here thinks it is fair. Or am I mistaken? And yes, it is an alt.. And yes, the name is Yoo Sak, which is gonna be so much fun when I know that being called primary is gonna sound great on the enemys TS.. But that is also beside the point.. :) Then please do not post! The general EVE forum History is against you in the waay that the last 5-10 posters who have come to the forums complaining about just the same as you have had a new butthole made by CCP when they voided their rights publically. All ended up posting after that btw when they saw they got absolutely and totally exposed by evidence! The fact is: its easier to believe CCP who have a firm honest reputation, who have brought evidence to the forums in the cases where players voided their rights! Then unknown players who for some reason always have a friend who got banned by CCP, which mtw is truly unfair! I dont know in your situation. I dont really care aither! If you have something to complain about you should have your friend to escalate the case to a GM supervisor and to have them go through your friends entire record! BTW: This can backfire on your friend if he have bought ISK at earlier points since these will then be revealed, and he might even get a solid dent in his wallet. Conculsion: For the forum masses these posts are all laughing matters. Posters will be believed to be ISK byers. Second: this is CCP material not Forum material hence point one. About fairness: most players will believe CCP to be right rather then a unknown anonymous person who can lie till they turn blue without any repercusion. CCP on the other hand have everything to loose from lying. Hence we will believe CCP before you! Contact CCP. thats all you can do. On forums: you will be laughed at and believed to be a ISK buyer. Sorry Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Tassadar Beta Amarr BIG Advanced Assault	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:28:00 - [33] Originally by: GM Krymus I would suggest that there is a possible miscommunication here; we do not take any sort of action such as this. See everyone this is why you shouldn't buy ISK.
Aslann Gallente Win and God	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:29:00 - [34] His 'friend' prolly got his ship blown up because he didnt know how to fly it (thats what you get for ISK buying) and is now blaming 'CCP' for 'taking away' his ship. ______________________
Arkios Odymei Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:34:00 - [35] Originally by: Tamia Clant Let me give you a summary of what's going to happen: 1 - A bunch of people are going to come here and tell you your "friend" bought ISK 2 - Your friend will then attempt to refute those claims, and accuse CCP of scamming him 3 - A GM will then post in this thread, showing proof that your friend has in fact been involved in activities that violate the EULA 4 - Your friend will stop posting 5 - ??? 6 - Profit! 1: check. 2: check. 3: Halfway there... Originally by: GM Krymus I would suggest that there is a possible miscommunication here; we do not take any sort of action such as this. ------------------------------------------------------------------
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:36:00 - [36] If the 'friend' never even starts posting, does that cover 4-6? Zzz research towers Direrie NEW: Liekuri 20:1 low-end compression
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.28 21:33:00 - [37] Originally by: James Lyrus Your friend. He bought isks. He lied to you about it. That's how it's even possible. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.28 21:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Shintai Edited by: Shintai on 28/06/2008 20:05:18 Yoo Sak, Jin Mei line. member of federal navy academy for 6 months and 12 days. Never done standing or tutorial. And sec status 0.0 Frequent GTC trader: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=803081&page=1#2 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=803054&page=1#1 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=785311&page=1#2 Lets face it, buying isk for you aint a new thing. Have a nice day... </thread> CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Azzma Amarr TalCorp Enterprises Einherjar Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.28 22:38:00 - [39] Edited by: Azzma on 28/06/2008 22:38:29 I have personal experience with this kind of incident. Good job bringing it to the forums. If all you do is talk to CCP, they will just ignore you. Ignore all these people that automatically do not believe you. You are innocent until proven guilty.
MASSIVEMURDERMACHINE GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.06.28 22:46:00 - [40] Originally by: GM Krymus I would suggest that there is a possible miscommunication here; we do not take any sort of action such as this. I would suggest that there is a possible miscommunication here, you(CCP) have committed errors and mistakes. If you need an example just look at the t20 scandal.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.28 22:48:00 - [41] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/06/2008 22:49:30 Could you clarify exactly the situation? CCP are human so its possible they made a mistake, but upto now, every single accusation had turned out to be 1. Somebody buying isk 2. Some friend/family members buying isk to give to the player as a gift (e.g birthday etc). 3. Somebody selling a item but does not use market or contracts or direct trade. i.e A Donation to the persons wallet. E.G Guy sells Core-X item. Ebayer gives the guy isk as a donation, and guy freely trades this Core-X for 0 isk afterwards. CCP remove the isk since it is ebayed, so the guy selling the Core-X item feels ripped off. GM's can aparently trace items so a pettition returns the isk in this case. 4. Market. I remember GM's saying that market transactions never get reversed. So how exactly did your "Friend" lose his isk/ships? What is the step by step process your friend did? Did he do contracts? Did he get a donation? Did he trash the ship?
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2008.06.28 22:52:00 - [42] Edited by: KISOGOKU on 28/06/2008 22:53:24 Something is wrong , if someone buys isk CCP remove it from wallet dont take ship/modules iirc but Yoo is telling CCP took ship.Are you sure Yoo ? Originally by: James Lyrus Your friend. He bought isks. He lied to you about it. That's how it's even possible. Edit .spelling
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment	Posted - 2008.06.28 23:06:00 - [43] Dont believe everything your friends tell you. He probably did something ********.
Khemul Zula Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.06.28 23:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Azzma Edited by: Azzma on 28/06/2008 22:38:29 I have personal experience with this kind of incident. Good job bringing it to the forums. If all you do is talk to CCP, they will just ignore you. Ignore all these people that automatically do not believe you. You are innocent until proven guilty. Where'd you get a idea like that from? Rather silly considering this is the internet where anyone can make any wild claim they want. "Everytime you mine Veldspar God kills a kitten."
Felizardo Caldari Imperial House Ordos	Posted - 2008.06.28 23:39:00 - [45] if there¦s a macro involved, ban
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2008.06.29 00:21:00 - [46] # 1 IF you have nothing to hide post with your ****ing main # 2 What's with "the friend" BS .. sounds like it was you. Just another anti CCP propaganda thread and I am not the biggest Fan of CCP or GMs, but every week same threads like this .. You care so much for your internet friend so much, you come here to cry about it Sounds like aload-of-bollox to me
Heinkel facility	Posted - 2008.06.29 00:44:00 - [47] I allways wonder how come MY friend dosen't get his ships taken away by CCP
Trathen Minmatar	Posted - 2008.06.29 00:46:00 - [48] Lets play Mad Libs! Hey guys, I know _______ who knows ________ who gave ________ to ________. When he logged in _______ later, GM's took _____________, _____________, then _____________. Isn't this ___________?
Plumbumber	Posted - 2008.06.29 01:11:00 - [49] Originally by: Trathen Lets play Mad Libs! Hey guys, I know _______ who knows ________ who gave ________ to ________. When he logged in _______ later, GM's took _____________, _____________, then _____________. Isn't this ___________? Hey guys, I know a friend, who knows Bill Clinton, who gave a cigar to monica lewinski. When he logged in four years later, GM's took his pride, his credibility, then his presidency. Isn't this being blown out of proportion?
Tyrantus Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.29 01:15:00 - [50] Originally by: Plumbumber Originally by: Trathen Lets play Mad Libs! Hey guys, I know _______ who knows ________ who gave ________ to ________. When he logged in _______ later, GM's took _____________, _____________, then _____________. Isn't this ___________? Hey guys, I know a friend, who knows Bill Clinton, who gave a cigar to monica lewinski. When he logged in four years later, GM's took his pride, his credibility, then his presidency. Isn't this being blown out of proportion?
laurazine First Caldari Regiment	Posted - 2008.06.29 01:48:00 - [51] A BOB member posting in a thread with this topic is kind of funny and yet lame at the same time.

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