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Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.01 22:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Ayrianna Na***a
Originally by: Kelsin
It seems to me that although CCP prohibited Alliances from joining Faction Militias, they did not think to provide a suitable outlet for Alliances (especially RP alliances who have an interest in Faction Warfare) to affect FW, and so the result is what you are experiencing: Alliances using what tools they have to participate in FW on their terms.
To respond directly to the concerns of the OP - the Player Corp under wardec can always disband and join the NPC Militia corp, can't they?
disband your alliance and join FW.
CCP won't cater to your "we shoot everybody! We are anarchists" playstyle.
This is coming from someone in a NPC corp who suffers the CCP protection of war decs. And despite the protection you tell others to disband their alliance.
CCP has talked about FW for as long as anyone can remember. And while CCP says everyone roleplays and gives people another avenue with FW to continue a developing storyline while seeding lowsec with pvp. Being that this is the first iteration of their plan which was stated we don't know what is coming up. Your best bet is to get a dev response on what their plan is with interactions to alliances. They actually responded. People worried that militias would be a safe haven for corps to avoid war decs.
Factional warfare has been very interesting getting people in fleets of racial ships in numbers unlike other roleplay groups have not been able to achieve. On top of that they have taken parts of lowsec and filled them at the expense of pirates. To say factional warfare is only for noobs is terribly innacurate. Corporations are filled with experienced and new players alike. And some of the seemingly new players are new accounts (yet another boon to CCP), or alts trying it out with experienced players behind them.
Some groups have roleplay identities well known that have difficulties adapting to the framework laid forth at the moment. Groups like CVA, Ushra'Kahn, and The Star Fraction amongst them. All of them have contributed great amounts to the enjoyment to the game and furthered the roleplay aspect of well before factional warfare came out. It seems silly to tell these establashed groups you don't fit our plan and so you can't play. But they still left corps being able to be war decced. And this is the crux of the OP.
You have heard SF pilots say go ahead let us war dec militias, among other things. We are open to change. We are also going to continue advancing our goals. Disbanding our alliance doesn't exactly serve a purpose to be a threat to empires if you have to join them does it? To say practice what you preach is also inane when you don't seem to care for knowing what SF stands for or think abou it with much thought. We did not support a faction for the past two tournaments. Nothing has changed. Could their be change in the future. Who knows. But don't be presumptious to tell others what to do and mislabel people.
We don't shoot everyone. We are NRDS. We shoot people who shoot us and ideological enemies like the empires.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.02 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kovid on 02/07/2008 05:43:35
Focus on the the OP and not SF. You can do that in another thread if you like. It's silly for you to make accusations of war decing a corp as an exploit. As I said before CCP explained before factional warfare came out that corps would be war deccable. But people are lazy and are more inclined to make false accusations and go to the forums over incorrect assumptions.
Originally by: CCP Dionysus
Edited by: CCP Dionysus on 19/05/2008 18:55:13
Originally by: Elaron
Dionysus, with all due respect, why are you being so evasive on the war dec issue? To force us to try it on SiSi (which is closed for the next few days)?
If you could give us a clear and concise answer to the following questions, we won't have to speculate (including assuming the worst due to incomplete responses) and can start to actually plan:
1) Will it be possible for entities (that is, corporations and alliances) who are not part of the formal Factional Warfare mechanic to declare war on the Militia corporations themselves?
2) Will it be possible for entities (that is, corporations and alliances) who are not part of the formal Factional Warfare mechanic to declare war on player corporations that are members of the Militias?
3) Will it be possible for player corporations who are signed up for the factional Militias to issue war declarations on other player entities, signed up or not?
Also, please bear in mind before posting an obfuscated response that if we know how this is supposed to work, we'll be able to create proper bug reports if our tests on SiSi contradict the given answer.
Hokeydokey.
Simple clear responses.
1) No. They are NPC corps, and like any NPC corps you cannot declare war.
2) Yes. They are still normal player corps. They are not technically joining an alliance, and dont gain the "protection" that being in an alliance gives you. You will have to pay normal wardec costs etc though.
3) Similarly to above - yes.
I was being "evasive" as I was giving opinions.
/me puts on flame suit to prepare for the response from vocal players.
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Clearly it's not an exploit. Note militias are not like alliances so solutions tying them to the mechanic don't apply as well. War deccing corps are the same cost as alliances after the recent changes to fees. What matters is incoming and outgoing wars. Also you need alliances to keep numbers of standings over 300, which groups like Star Fraction does by nature of its NRDS ROE.
As Dionysus said, go ahead and wardec out.
As a side note we did war dec a Gallente corp Strix Armaments and Defence. I believe it was left to expire because they are not interested in participating in factional warfare or even much of anything. I won't comment on coincidence of four outgoing caldari militia wars. Now lets stay on op or make another thread complaining about or RP and OOC reasons SF fights since so many seem so interested. Or go to the SF website
Todes and his gang have actually been very good sports. However there is a certain alt might be a disgruntled member not willing to show his face. I applaud First Caldari Regiment for certain aspects of their demeanor, their attitude, and willingness to fight (granted a little less so now.) I hope people realize with CCP response before factional warfare was even release will alieve their concerns and spend their time actually applying themselves to factional warfare instead of banter over incorrect assumptions.
If you believe war decs against militia corps are wrong, don't classify them as exploits and don't compare them as alliance. Take that as a starting point and propose changes there in the features and ideas subforum.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.02 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Kovid on 02/07/2008 16:39:34
I think it's funny that the empires put their guns down. Really they did mostly. War broke out for a flash point and then they go and agree with each other to settle things, they create militias. All while their navies and all their main military personal and equipment sits back on their butts. Meanwhile they get capsuleers to do their dirty work for them. They even limit the contention to areas they already considered dangerous and not patrolled, lowsec.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.02 16:48:00 -
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Also for advantages of miltias.
- They have a built in intelligence network (the militia channel,) thousands men strong. Not many 0.0 alliances have that.
- They can evade people in complexes.
I think the failures of the Caldari militia are a bad example. Look at the successes of the Minmatar militias. They are much more organized and they have some good corporations in it that help it be that way. You don't see Amarr militia whinging as much as the Caldari.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.02 16:54:00 -
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I don't see Jade modding this thread, or muting you. Stop acting like a victim and do something. Oh yeah you are on this thread. It's not someone elses fault you can't hold up a good argument. If you feel there is an issue, go bring it up like Jade said in Assembly Hall.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.02 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nitalya
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Stop being narrow minded Nitalya. Many people exclusively participate in empire wars pre FW. Not everything revolves around 0.0 warfare. If you can't accept that a roleplay corporation operates under roleplay principals you will never understand. If if you don't like it, war dec. It's a beautiful aspect of the single shard. I rather not sit in 0.0 ratting away, then get called up for a blob on POSes and all the other associations that people wrongfully consider eve endgame.
I didn't know you work for CCP and are marketing factional warfare for them. Obviously your single statement is exactly all encompassing of FW is meant to be.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.02 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nitalya
if ccp wanted alliance to take part in FW dont you think they would have bult them into the system. face facts SF your on a fishing expedition in hopes that ccp will see the flaw in there ways(from your POV) and make FW so you guys can do what you want.
and i still didnt see any answers to my questions about hwy your awsome anarcho RP alliance isnt at war with all factions like you claim you want to be but only 4 corps in one faction?
We have set them all militias -10. We don't have the power to wardec militia, nor war dec every militia corp. Be patient we will get to you. Oh wait your not in factional warfare.
As for CCP not wanting alliances to touch factional warfare: READ. How many times does it take to get through to your head? Not on militias, but corps yes.
Originally by: CCP Dionysus
Edited by: CCP Dionysus on 19/05/2008 18:55:13
Originally by: Elaron
1) Will it be possible for entities (that is, corporations and alliances) who are not part of the formal Factional Warfare mechanic to declare war on the Militia corporations themselves?
2) Will it be possible for entities (that is, corporations and alliances) who are not part of the formal Factional Warfare mechanic to declare war on player corporations that are members of the Militias?
3) Will it be possible for player corporations who are signed up for the factional Militias to issue war declarations on other player entities, signed up or not?
1) No. They are NPC corps, and like any NPC corps you cannot declare war.
2) Yes. They are still normal player corps. They are not technically joining an alliance, and dont gain the "protection" that being in an alliance gives you. You will have to pay normal wardec costs etc though.
3) Similarly to above - yes.
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