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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.09 19:44:00 -
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The last time I built a computer I was in high school and the high end processors ran at a whopping 733 Mhz So allot has changed...
I was going to buy a new one because I want to run two screens at maximum graphics settings, but it has occurred to me that I might want to build one instead. Whether or not I will do this depends on my effort Vs. reward (in true EVE fashion ) what I get out of it and how much money I save.
So... In this thread build your dream machine so I can pirate your Computer building skills. Your max budget cannot exceed $1,500 The minimum requirements 1. Dual monitors with max graphical settings and 2. non-laggy Incarna
Also...
Are any components that you are using giving you issues when running EVE? Does alienware's costumer service really suck?
ATM... I am pondering This Thread by Akita T and thinking about doing something like this. What do you all think about the set up recommended as her/his Gaming High-end Machine?
Quote:320$(280$ with mail-in temp rebate) MSI GeForce GTX 570 1280MB *** 220$ Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz 130$ GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 Z68 (PCI-E x16,x8,x4) 125$ G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600, 7-8-7-24 timings, 1.6V *** 140$ 300GB WD VelociRaptor 10000RPM, 16MB Cache 75$ 2TB WD Caviar Green, 64MB Cache 120$RAIDMAX 850W SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Active PFC PSU, 2x34A (dual 12V rails) 75$ XCLIO ATX Full Tower (250mm + 360mm + several smaller fans) 20$ DVD writer = 1225 USD (or 1185 USD after rebate)
***-marked components can be doubled -> 1630 USD (1590 USD after rebates) total price with 2x GTX 570 in SLI and 4x4=16 GB RAM. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.09 19:46:00 -
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i've got a better design, i'll PM you it with links to each product WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.09 19:47:00 -
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Already have my dream Eve Gaming Machine
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |
Dichotomi
The Baseborn Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.09 19:52:00 -
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I built a machine that runs great graphics. I purchased most of my components through www.microcenter.com
I spent roughly 700 USD on my machine. Here are the general specs of my machine. These are all placed in a Thermaltake midtower case. Operating System MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 CPU AMD Phenom II X4 84083 -¦F Deneb 45nm Technology RAM 8.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24) Motherboard MSI 870A-G54 (MS-7599) (CPU1)99 -¦F Graphics HP w2007 (1680x1050@60Hz) Compaq Q1859 (1280x1024@60Hz) AMD Radeon HD 6600 Series Hard Drives 977GB Western Digital WDC WD10EALX-009BA0 ATA Device (SATA)106 -¦F Optical Drives HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH20LP20 ATA Device TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653N ATA Device Audio Realtek High Definition Audio
The motherboard and graphics card both offer easy overclocking software utilities taht help me get the best performance in any game. Let me know if you have any questions. |
Adrenaline Reaper
Hard Rock Mining Co. Territorial Claim Unit
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Posted - 2011.09.09 19:53:00 -
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I would swap that velcirator for an SSD, much faster and more responsive, not as big though, but I have no probs as I own an SSD this size, with serveral games incluing 3 eve installs and most programs installed on it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227737
That is one of the fastest on the market, but if you want more capacity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227688
Still faster than the raptor, but not as fast as the other one. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.09 19:54:00 -
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aye - use spinning disks to boot, use an SSD to to store games (like in the design i just PMed)
there is a BIG problem with the design OP posted. That powersupply is insufficient if you put two of those video cards in. grossly insufficient. WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
DrDan21
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.09 19:57:00 -
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Recently built myself a gaming rig for 1.1k runs my favo games (EvE, TF2, L4D, BFBC2) all at max graphics with excellent fps (Eve caps out at 60, TF2 caps out at 121, though that's because I set that 121 the max. Uncapped I've seen it easily hit get 300)
I can give you links to all the parts, I bought it all from newegg
It has 8GB of ram (2 dual channel 4gb sticks) Intel 2500k Sandy Bridge Processor (You can go for the i7 if you want, for me though spending another $100 for like 3% increase in performance didn't make sense though...) ZOTAC ZT-50701-10M GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 (was on sale got it $100 off :D great card)
Links- CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-500-206&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo
I'd also recommend this CPU cooler, works very well, it's a closed loop liquid cooling system, comes pre filled and you don't need to worry about changing the liquid.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181010 |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.09 19:59:00 -
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Dichotomi wrote:I built a machine that runs great graphics. I purchased most of my components through www.microcenter.comI spent roughly 700 USD on my machine. Here are the general specs of my machine. These are all placed in a Thermaltake midtower case. Operating System MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 CPU AMD Phenom II X4 84083 -¦F Deneb 45nm Technology RAM 8.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24) Motherboard MSI 870A-G54 (MS-7599) (CPU1)99 -¦F Graphics HP w2007 (1680x1050@60Hz) Compaq Q1859 (1280x1024@60Hz) AMD Radeon HD 6600 Series Hard Drives 977GB Western Digital WDC WD10EALX-009BA0 ATA Device (SATA)106 -¦F Optical Drives HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH20LP20 ATA Device TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653N ATA Device Audio Realtek High Definition Audio The motherboard and graphics card both offer easy overclocking software utilities taht help me get the best performance in any game. Let me know if you have any questions.
that machine is midrange. but you got it for a midrange price. so its not like you got ripped off.
i think OP is looking more for high end
here is what i PM'ed him My future machine (this design is a WIP and is updated as new tech becomes available) WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.09 20:02:00 -
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there have been build quality problems with closed loop systems like that leading to leaks and dead systems. i'd steer clear of them.
with a good case like the CM HAF 932A you don't really need it.
as much as i'd love to watercool that system i linked for my design (And that case is freaking GREAT for doing water cooling) - thermally speaking i don't really need it.
much to my nerdy displeasure. won't spend $600 on a cooling system i don't need. i'll spend it on other stuff instead :D WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Chester D Molester
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.09 20:06:00 -
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Lots of Cooling. In fact your build should probably include a wind tunnel. |
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Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.09 20:13:00 -
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PS OP - if you want to go with one card the power you have is fine, with two i'd go up to around 1200W
you want your actual power usage on your PSU to be about 80% of it's maximum capability. this is it's "sweet spot" of maximum efficiency, and over 80% draw consistently shortens the lifespan WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Adrenaline Reaper
Hard Rock Mining Co. Territorial Claim Unit
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Posted - 2011.09.09 20:14:00 -
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Denidil wrote:aye - use spinning disks to boot, use an SSD to to store games (like in the design i just PMed)
there is a BIG problem with the design OP posted. That powersupply is insufficient if you put two of those video cards in. grossly insufficient.
The whole advantage of SSDs is boot times, you want it as your OS and most used programs location. Make sure all you files are stored on the HDD. Some like to move he app data folder to HDDs, but i keep it on my SSD with no problems at all.
Also that PSU is fine for two cards, 1200W is overkill for anything but dual CPU and Quad GFx systems. Google for PSU calculator and see for yourself. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.09 20:22:00 -
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Adrenaline Reaper wrote:Denidil wrote:aye - use spinning disks to boot, use an SSD to to store games (like in the design i just PMed)
there is a BIG problem with the design OP posted. That powersupply is insufficient if you put two of those video cards in. grossly insufficient. The whole advantage of SSDs is boot times, you want it as your OS and most used programs location. Make sure all you files are stored on the HDD. Some like to move he app data folder to HDDs, but i keep it on my SSD with no problems at all. Also that PSU is fine for two cards, 1200W is overkill for anything but dual CPU and Quad GFx systems. Google for PSU calculator and see for yourself.
i don't really care about boot time. boot time isn't a big deal. especially when i typically hibernate my system instead of powering off.
so instead just the SSD for game storage. WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Alpheias
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Posted - 2011.09.09 20:47:00 -
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Denidil wrote: i don't really care about boot time. boot time isn't a big deal. especially when i typically hibernate my system instead of powering off.
so instead just the SSD for game storage.
Wait, you don't care about boot time, but you care about that your games load faster that you would want them on a SSD?
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Skex Relbore
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.09 21:57:00 -
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Drop the crap power supply, Go with one of the 80 plus Seasonic, Corsair or a NZXT Halle 90 (the one I got since it was the only one I could pick up locally and rated on par or better than the Corsair and I wasn't patient enough to wait for a Seasonic)
The power supply is one of the most important components in your computer though most people don't realize it.
Be sure to get a good CPU cooler I like my Corsair H50 it's a self contained water cooler there are some better airbased coolers but this one has solid performance and is dead quiet while the air coolers tend to sound like small jet turbines.
Personally I prefer AMD processors since you tend to get better bang for your buck but Intel is the performance leader so what ever you want to go with. Agree with the general consensus get an SSD drive rather than the velociraptor no mechanical drive is going to be able to come close to matching solid state. 8gb ram should be plenty even for multiple clients (I run 5 on 8gb).
As to monitors I'd look around and see if you can find a couple of the I-INC 28 inchers got one of these a couple years back for my primary monitor and it seriously kicks ass. None of that 1080 BS full on 1920X1200 resolution better than HD ;). Good response and big enough to actually read the in game font. Insanely cheap for what you get as well.
One thing I'd experiment with if you get the two 570s is see if your dual clients run better in SLI or non personally i'm running a system with a 460 and a 8800 with one card running each monitor obviously in non-sli, went with this solution because I happened to have a a board that supports multiple PCIE cards but not two matching cards (older AMD board so wouldn't be able to do SLI anyway) but I'm curious which option would offer better performance.
BTW Denidil why are you going with so much nice high end hardware and sticking a **** PS in it? Get a Corsair(good choice) or Seasonic(Best choice) forget Thermaltake they're iffy at best. |
Iluminat
Sharp Dressed Man
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Posted - 2011.09.09 22:05:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: and 2. non-laggy Incarna
oh and my specs: gtx 550 i5 2500k 120 gb SSD vertex 2 8 GB ram Asus P67
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.09 22:11:00 -
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The machine I built at the start of the year still serves me well. It originally had a 2GB HD5870 VaporX Edition, but the card was utter crap so I swapped out for SLI :
Intel Core i7 980x (3.33GHz / 6 Core) @ 5.0GHz Asus Rampage III Extreme x58 Mainboard 24GB 1600MHz Corsair Dominator Triple Channel DDR3 (1600MHz) @ 2100MHz 2x 3GB Palit GTX580 6x 1TB Samsing Spinpoint F3 (Paired in Raid 1 to create 3x 1TB Arrays) Corsair Force F40 SDD 1200w Antec TruePower Modular PSU Three Dell 2407WFP Ultrasharp 24" displays @ 1920x1200 (Portrait mode for 3600x1920 goodness) Antec DarkFleet DF-85 Full Tower ATX Corsair H70 Liquid Cooler Corsair Dominator RAM Cooler
The SSD was bought really just to mess around with and gauge performance. I've dropped a couple of games on it over the time I've had it and in terms of price vs day to day gaming performance I've not been impressed with it at all. I'll stick with mechanical drives until it's actually worth the price buying the larger ones.
In terms of displays, if you have three and they'll sit well in portrait orientation I highly recommend it. Fantastic for gaming.
As for the Corsair closed loop water cooling systems (Hydro H50 and the larger Hydro H70), I've built over a dozen machines for people since the turn of the year, every single one of them has used one of the two. With these around there's literally no point in paying for a high end air cooler. I've not had a single issue with one of them and they're insanely easy to install (we're talking 5-10 minutes on a new build). People saying they're a bad idea don't have a clue what they're talking about, my machine is sat with a 5GHz overclock, and averages about 55-60c on full load.
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.09.09 22:22:00 -
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Dichotomi wrote:I built a machine that runs great graphics. I purchased most of my components through www.microcenter.comI spent roughly 700 USD on my machine. Here are the general specs of my machine. These are all placed in a Thermaltake midtower case. Operating System MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 CPU AMD Phenom II X4 84083 -¦F Deneb 45nm Technology RAM 8.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24) Motherboard MSI 870A-G54 (MS-7599) (CPU1)99 -¦F Graphics HP w2007 (1680x1050@60Hz) Compaq Q1859 (1280x1024@60Hz) AMD Radeon HD 6600 Series Hard Drives 977GB Western Digital WDC WD10EALX-009BA0 ATA Device (SATA)106 -¦F Optical Drives HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH20LP20 ATA Device TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653N ATA Device Audio Realtek High Definition Audio The motherboard and graphics card both offer easy overclocking software utilities taht help me get the best performance in any game. Let me know if you have any questions.
what voltage did u need to bump the ram upto? i cannot get stable ram if i fit all 4 sticks..... any combo of 2 works fine but if i fit all 4 rams it bsod's after a while with a memory pool error. amd phenom II sucks balls.......imo.... horrible memory controller in it.... to OP stick with the intel cpu mate...far less hassle |
Alpheias
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Posted - 2011.09.09 22:33:00 -
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I am curious why you went with a h70 instead of a proper full loop, cooling those 580s as well considering the amount of cash that you have thrown into that build and since you obviously overclock.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Xuse Senna
Crytec Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.09.09 22:49:00 -
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Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Memory: Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 XMS3 i5 Memory Kit CL9
Hard Drive: 1 TB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67PRO REV3.0
Computer Case: CM Storm
Power Supply: Corsair TX 650W V2 PSU
Its also a A/C Unit Since it only blasts out Cold Air :D
Only thing I want to change is Get it to 8Gb Ram ^_^ Great Machine.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.09 22:50:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:I am curious why you went with a h70 instead of a proper full loop, cooling those 580s as well considering the amount of cash that you have thrown into that build and since you obviously overclock.
The 580s were a later edition, only about a month or so ago, the rig was built in February.
I'm considering it to be honest, but at the same time they run great on air, and the H70 does an awesome job.
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |
Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.09.09 23:04:00 -
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I assume you use windows and not linux?
ifso; What version of windows will you be putting on the machine and how much is in the budget for the OS?
And do you use CQ?
And do you OC?
If you OC I wont answer TBH, if you answer the other stuff I can help considerably.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.09 23:44:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Denidil wrote: i don't really care about boot time. boot time isn't a big deal. especially when i typically hibernate my system instead of powering off.
so instead just the SSD for game storage.
Wait, you don't care about boot time, but you care about that your games load faster that you would want them on a SSD?
because SSDs affect texture load times, so they affect how quick you can load everyone on grid. WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.10 01:47:00 -
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Thx all.
I am hearing good things about This Website and may ultimately turn here for items and further advice. Supposedly they have great customer service which is more then can be said for Alienware. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.10 01:53:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Thx all. I am hearing good things about This Website and may ultimately turn here for items and further advice. Supposedly they have great customer service which is more then can be said for Alienware.
alienware is ****. and overpriced.
http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer_Mage_D285
WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.10 04:41:00 -
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Aw, when I glanced at this thread title, I thought you were building some sort of arcade machine to play EvE on. I am disappoint. |
Alpheias
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Posted - 2011.09.10 07:01:00 -
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Verone wrote:Alpheias wrote:I am curious why you went with a h70 instead of a proper full loop, cooling those 580s as well considering the amount of cash that you have thrown into that build and since you obviously overclock. The 580s were a later edition, only about a month or so ago, the rig was built in February. I'm considering it to be honest, but at the same time they run great on air, and the H70 does an awesome job.
Aha. And I think you should because the longer you delay, the more :effort: you will be because it IS a hassle as you have to tear out everything to put in heatsinks (CPU and chipset cooling) and hopefully your 580s come with a reference cooler than something like Asus or Gigabytes.
Denidil wrote:Alpheias wrote:
Wait, you don't care about boot time, but you care about that your games load faster that you would want them on a SSD?
because SSDs affect texture load times, so they affect how quick you can load everyone on grid.
Sure. My EVE client start faster as I have it on a SSD along Windows, but I keep my Steam install on a different drive. Reason why should be obvious.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
HaxTis
Masters of Our Fate Screaming Meercats
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Posted - 2011.09.10 07:58:00 -
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i loled at this thread. let me say it this way i spent 700 on a brand new vaio. it runs 3 clients full graphics no issues. so go ahead and spend all that money on way more then you need. makes lots of sense, but no one said ever players were smart |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.10 11:21:00 -
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HaxTis wrote:i loled at this thread. let me say it this way i spent 700 on a brand new vaio. it runs 3 clients full graphics no issues. so go ahead and spend all that money on way more then you need. makes lots of sense, but no one said ever players were smart
Well thank you for your intelligent and well thought out input, now make sure that you follow the instructions for the medication that your taking. Many medications will do more harm then good if you take to high of a does, or, you come off of them to quickly.
Better to wean yourself off of them over a long period of time then risk the potentially catastrophic side effects. |
Sandrestal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.10 11:52:00 -
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HaxTis wrote:i loled at this thread. let me say it this way i spent 700 on a brand new vaio. it runs 3 clients full graphics no issues. so go ahead and spend all that money on way more then you need. makes lots of sense, but no one said ever players were smart
My 3 year old rig still handles 2 accts. quite well when running missions or ratting. |
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