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Murk Loar
The Ex-Patriots
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Posted - 2008.07.03 13:42:00 -
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/signed.
100% behind this proposal.
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Saori Rei
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:47:00 -
[32]
I support this idea
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ssbn732
Soldiers of Misfortune
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:47:00 -
[33]
/Signed
I am not a member of FW, but this sounds like a needed game change regardless.
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Arin Nailin
State Protectorate Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.03 16:32:00 -
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I heartily support the ability to aid my fellow militia members. As a small non-profit corp I think this is extremely important and I think that the emphasis on free or cheap buy-ins would be crucial. |
Mithfindel
Argent Group
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:02:00 -
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Want to fight an Empire? You're welcome. (No offense to Jade.)
Still some mechanic bits, like who's declaring whom, and the mechanics. Likely these new "militia counter-wars" would need to be additionally considered mutual wars, and to be used only against non-mutual incoming wardecs. However, you then again shouldn't be able to use the militia as a freely-joinable alliance to fight deal with a mess you've made yourself, in this case getting wardec'd - but this is again a can of worms, since quite naturally we can't expect all corps to join a militia be not in an incoming war. Though the good sides outnumber the bad ones in this suggestion.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:29:00 -
[36]
 Originally by: nVChicky
Originally by: Dex Nederland
So what happens when Tim's Brigade wardecs Leet Warr!ors, both of them members of the State faction?
Is a third corp in the faction able to wardec both of them for free?
And yes this could matter, especially for some of the RP corporations.
its NOT the ability of FW Corps to War dec! for the last time!!!!
Originally by: nVChicky
Therefore, a simple allowance for FW Corps to aid other FW Corps at war with non-FW Corps free of charge would allow the in game mechanics of EvE for FW Players to again run smoothly.
It sure seems like your proposal is to allow FW Corps to opt into a war another FW Corp is already in, this allows the aiding corp to effectively go to war with whoever declared war on their fellow corp.
My example was a possibly situation in which the 'aiding' corp could be at war with both corps if they are all in the same faction. Reasons for wardeccing within a faction would include things like pirates hiding in the faction.
Lucai understood my example and I think provided a sufficient mechanic to not allow this to happen for corporations within the same militia.
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nVChicky
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: nVChicky
Originally by: Dex Nederland
So what happens when Tim's Brigade wardecs Leet Warr!ors, both of them members of the State faction?
Is a third corp in the faction able to wardec both of them for free?
And yes this could matter, especially for some of the RP corporations.
its NOT the ability of FW Corps to War dec! for the last time!!!!
Originally by: nVChicky
Therefore, a simple allowance for FW Corps to aid other FW Corps at war with non-FW Corps free of charge would allow the in game mechanics of EvE for FW Players to again run smoothly.
It sure seems like your proposal is to allow FW Corps to opt into a war another FW Corp is already in, this allows the aiding corp to effectively go to war with whoever declared war on their fellow corp.
My example was a possibly situation in which the 'aiding' corp could be at war with both corps if they are all in the same faction. Reasons for wardeccing within a faction would include things like pirates hiding in the faction.
Lucai understood my example and I think provided a sufficient mechanic to not allow this to happen for corporations within the same militia.
Sorry If I misunderstood your argument it was quite unclear.
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MrsBlank
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Posted - 2008.07.03 18:44:00 -
[38]
100% support from me
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Robbie Robot
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Posted - 2008.07.03 19:02:00 -
[39]
Free? so, if I want to warmonger, I could sign up to a militia and declare war freely on anyone that is at war with anyone else in my militia? I think free is too far. Perhaps 1/2 cost or something. It isn't like the militia's are that close in relationship. Perhaps the whole war declaration thing should be revamped.
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nVChicky
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Posted - 2008.07.03 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Robbie Robot
Free? so, if I want to warmonger, I could sign up to a militia and declare war freely on anyone that is at war with anyone else in my militia? I think free is too far. Perhaps 1/2 cost or something. It isn't like the militia's are that close in relationship. Perhaps the whole war declaration thing should be revamped.
we aren't saying fw-corps should have ability to war dec for free not at all. Just aid others through corp/ceo's votes to join within a current war between a non-fw and fw corp, like alliances, ok maybe a small fee should occur and standard war procedures met but the option should be 'freely' available
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Lizzy Bordon
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Posted - 2008.07.04 01:57:00 -
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I vote yes, to fellow militias to help out another militia that has been wardec, with a click of a button at no cost for the wardec.
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isAzmodeus
Low Security Military Excurions
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Posted - 2008.07.04 02:36:00 -
[42]
Yes
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The Seven- Blowing up someone near you. |
Trabber Shir
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Posted - 2008.07.04 03:30:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Trabber Shir on 04/07/2008 06:16:42
I agree with the basic suggestion but think that as proposed it would be abused in several ways like high sec corps joining FW for easy and cheap protection.
It would probably be best to limit the number of corps that can sign up to help. Make it a function of the victim corp's militia standing or some such (and then require the victim to approve joins so they don't get get stuck with a bunch of 2 person corps). I think this would limit the abuse potential because only active corps could get real help from it.
Just my .02 ISK, but I definitely support the OP's suggestion over the current system that makes FW membership such a liability.
Edit: Then again, the entire problem wouldn't exist if the fleet member of war target = war target thing hadn't changed. It seems like that change has caused a lot of problems and undoing it might be a better fix (would also fix the non FW remote reppers we can't shoot, which is just cowardice).
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
Fruit Fellatio
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Posted - 2008.07.04 07:55:00 -
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No. FW =/= alliance.
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Originally by: Torfi
There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:25:00 -
[45]
Well its going to get more people involved in wardecs in empire and thats got to be a good thing 
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:46:00 -
[46]
Am intending to bring this one up next week.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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ConstanceFay
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:02:00 -
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something else that needs to be address and in the case that i missed the topic somewhere else... miltia members should not be allowed to wardeck other militia members of the same militia... It should be some sort of crime against the faction/militia. It causes way to many problems.....now memebers not of the militia wanting to wardec memebers of the militia is another story on to its self and if that happens they should become enemies of that faction and militia..
and sorry if this is posted in the wrong forums area.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: ConstanceFay
something else that needs to be address and in the case that i missed the topic somewhere else... miltia members should not be allowed to wardeck other militia members of the same militia... It should be some sort of crime against the faction/militia. It causes way to many problems.....now memebers not of the militia wanting to wardec memebers of the militia is another story on to its self and if that happens they should become enemies of that faction and militia..
and sorry if this is posted in the wrong forums area.
I disagree with that one. Too exploitable. A militia is not an Alliance and doesn't function the same way where wardecs are concerned. I can definitely see reasons why 2 corporations within the same militia might want to wardec each other.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:07:00 -
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This is ridiculous. A corp is a corp. Corps can be wardecced. Are we going to allow corps to join militias to dodge decs now? If you get wardecced, deal with it. There should be no easy button to earn you allies.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.22 15:01:00 -
[50]
I raised this one to the CSM but it was rejected. Discussion notes here
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.07.22 15:59:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Mister Xerox on 22/07/2008 16:00:58
Wardeccing a FW corp should have one result: You've wardecced the entire Malitia, end of story. The only advantage is that you can jump into the Militia's space without the NPC's jumping all over you.
If two corps within a milita choose to wardec each other both should be removed from the milita until their wars are concluded whereupon they can rejoin without any negative standing.
Civil disagreements between members of a military command are not uncommon and 'taking it outside' [the milita] is a logical and acceptable response.
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Hilder
G.E.A.R.
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Posted - 2008.07.22 16:56:00 -
[52]
I like it
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Deldrac
Bat Country
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.22 22:55:00 -
[53]
I'd support this if it was just a request to treat militias as alliances, so to declare war on you, I have to declare war on the alliance as a whole.
Or alternatively just set members of the matar militia to sec status -10. That's an in-character solution that pretty much solves all current FW problems.
Anyway, the OP solution looks unecessarily complex, and may have odd consequences when FW corps are inevitably allowed into alliances.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 10:57:00 -
[54]
I'm unclear on how this would work in practice.
What we don't want is for an FW corp to declare war on an neutral corp or alliance and in doing so pass the war on to the whole of the faction.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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snotvomit
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Posted - 2008.08.20 18:21:00 -
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Yeah.
I think something needs to be done. It's a bit messed up at the moment. I have been in fleets forming up, and a corp jumps in and wipes out a couple of the fleet. The rest of us can't do anything or we get CONCORDed.
It makes FW less attractive in general, which is a shame, because FW gives people a chance for great fights, without all the bullshit that goes with being in a player alliance. |
Barstander
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.20 18:38:00 -
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At a minimum, I'd like the mechanics looked at as well. |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.20 22:08:00 -
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This issue has been heard by the council and rejected 1-8 (as I recall) - for the record I was the "1". The other CSM delegates didn't feel there is an issue with this.
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Barstander
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.20 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Barstander on 20/08/2008 22:24:16
Originally by: Jade Constantine
This issue has been heard by the council and rejected 1-8 (as I recall) - for the record I was the "1". The other CSM delegates didn't feel there is an issue with this.
Well, that sucks. So it goes I guess.
If I may ask, can you refer me to the discussion on the issue? I feel my search-fu is weak and I cannot locate it. |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.20 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/08/2008 22:29:39
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I raised this one to the CSM but it was rejected. Discussion notes here
Quoting my response at the time. There you go. [ 2008.07.20 16:58:44 ] onwards.
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Veaon
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Posted - 2008.08.21 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Veaon on 21/08/2008 03:54:07
[edit:] Oh dear, I read the topic and posted my support instnantly.
Thats bad news.
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Sounds like a good solution to me |
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