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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
Apocalypse Ponies
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Posted - 2008.07.03 22:27:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.
because ****ing morons like you off is CCP's guilty pleasure :)
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prsr
Gallente
JuBa Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.07.03 22:44:00 -
[62]
There is no downtime, there's just mandatory training on the testserver everyday.
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.03 22:52:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Tysheara
Originally by: Borg9
b/c I'm at work during d/t so it doesn't bother me. Daily d/t are fine, stop whining, CCP gives you FREE expansions/patches.
Agree. Beside Eve is ran on a TRS80 with cassette tape drive they need to power cycle it once a day, the poor thing cant handle being left on for more then 24 hours.
Now this is funny.
What would be scary is if you were telling the truth
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
So, it's all my fault. 
Originally by: CCP Prism X
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Faekurias
Black Legion Command
Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.03 22:53:00 -
[64]
gb2gaia
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.03 23:14:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Ruhige Schmerz
Originally by: James Lyrus
Actually, if you're running an IT services, there are good and valid reasons to do exactly that - a scheduled change/maintenance window, every day, where it's 'expected' that people will get off your cluster so you can do housekeeping, upgrades, fixes, backups etc. So even if you _don't_ have a need to do anything much one day, it's worth taking it down anyway, simply because then you don't get complaints about unscheduled outages.
I do exactly that (run IT services. Sysadmin for a pretty large networking tools company.) and we have no scheduled maintenence. When we need downtime, we schedule it, and we have failover systems in place to minimize the impact to our customers (no new purchases if the DB is offline is about it).
That's the proper way to do it. Not simply turning off production systems regularly for no reason to force people to get used to it.
You're both right. I think the biggest part of the problem comes from Eve being constantly updated, and single shard.
The single shard effectively means that they're running a single database server for all of you monkeys. As a data warehouser myself, I can tell you that's no mean feat (especially on MSSQL Server....)!
There's several things that I imagine need cleaned up/done every day:
- Commit all transactions. Eve uses isolation level READ UNCOMMITTED, presumably for speed. I know this has bit them once for sure in a custom function that they wrote for sov calculations.
- Apply code/schema changes across the distributed system
- Nightly backups
- Restart the servers to clean up any lingering memory leaks
- Restart the database and database server (It's running Windows afterall...)
- Restart the nodes (they're also running Windows)
- Security patches to the OS
I'm sure that there's more that's I'm not considering right now. Now, I mentioned that I'm in the data warehousing business. I know for sure that we take our master databases down, and push all of our web requests onto replica/standbys when we have scheduled (or unscheduled!) maintenance.
That wouldn't really work in a real time database situation - the data is too volatile. I suspect that even applying the WAL to a standby would barely begin to solve their data redundancy problems (and wouldn't address activating the standby for periods of the day!)
No, I doubt very much that there are many ways around the nightly downtime in an unsharded MMO server.
-Liang
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Batchie
Minmatar
NOTI Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.03 23:22:00 -
[66]
If the servers went down once a week there'd be a point in the week, about two days after the DT. Where there are no asteroids left in the entire universe.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.03 23:24:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Batchie
If the servers went down once a week there'd be a point in the week, about two days after the DT. Where there are no asteroids left in the entire universe.
It's fairly trivial to put such things on a timer to respawn.
-Liang
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BackseatShortbus
Can't Tie My Shoes
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Posted - 2008.07.03 23:34:00 -
[68]
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.
I dont think I could cope with 6 continuous days of no sleep, gotta get that hour in at least
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Darkwolf
Caldari
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.04 00:32:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Darkwolf on 04/07/2008 00:34:09
Originally by: Winterblink
Sure, I'm all for a super long downtime that happens once per week and totally blows away the Aussie timezone's ability to play for a whole evening. :)
Disclaimer: I'm Australian, I work full-time and I'm married.
I would much rather have one evening a week totally gone with a downtime, than have every evening chopped in half by a downtime right in the middle of my available playtime.
As it stands, I get on before DT, and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, DT's coming in an hour". And after DT I get on and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, I gotta hit the sack in an hour".
See an issue here?
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TekGriffon
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Posted - 2008.07.04 07:08:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Bleeshtar
Originally by: Bleeshtar
Huh... =V= has down times?
Never noticed really.
Me either. 
rofl
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.04 07:12:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Darkwolf
Edited by: Darkwolf on 04/07/2008 00:34:09
Originally by: Winterblink
Sure, I'm all for a super long downtime that happens once per week and totally blows away the Aussie timezone's ability to play for a whole evening. :)
Disclaimer: I'm Australian, I work full-time and I'm married.
I would much rather have one evening a week totally gone with a downtime, than have every evening chopped in half by a downtime right in the middle of my available playtime.
As it stands, I get on before DT, and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, DT's coming in an hour". And after DT I get on and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, I gotta hit the sack in an hour".
See an issue here?
Yeah, you're in a small* country on the other side of the planet and you want everyone else in the world to suffer for your convenience.
*As in: population not area.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.07.04 07:33:00 -
[72]
Actually it is obvious if you look at Server stats thne you can see that they only have a downtime where there are no players on the server - so it is the players that make the down time not ccp.
It's a sandbox see 
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.04 07:47:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Darkwolf
Originally by: Winterblink
Sure, I'm all for a super long downtime that happens once per week and totally blows away the Aussie timezone's ability to play for a whole evening. :)
Disclaimer: I'm Australian, I work full-time and I'm married.
I would much rather have one evening a week totally gone with a downtime, than have every evening chopped in half by a downtime right in the middle of my available playtime.
As it stands, I get on before DT, and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, DT's coming in an hour". And after DT I get on and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, I gotta hit the sack in an hour".
See an issue here?
I think there's a pretty good chance you missed the sarcasm in my post. :)
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.07.04 08:06:00 -
[74]
Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.
I agree with the op
sock puppetry level 1 has failed to complete.
EVE>most other mmos (fpsmmo is win but if we are talking just rpgs then Eve>mmorpg)
explosions > fairies waving magic "wands"
flushing everytime you drop a load >flushing every other day.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.07.04 08:10:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Darkwolf
Edited by: Darkwolf on 04/07/2008 00:34:09
Originally by: Winterblink
Sure, I'm all for a super long downtime that happens once per week and totally blows away the Aussie timezone's ability to play for a whole evening. :)
Disclaimer: I'm Australian, I work full-time and I'm married.
I would much rather have one evening a week totally gone with a downtime, than have every evening chopped in half by a downtime right in the middle of my available playtime.
As it stands, I get on before DT, and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, DT's coming in an hour". And after DT I get on and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, I gotta hit the sack in an hour".
See an issue here?
Duddeeee, you should be getting some "downtime" from the wife while eve is down. if not at least spend it with the wife to reduce aggro against eve
07 Toggies
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Poldarn Joaq
Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.07.04 10:42:00 -
[76]
I use the down time to sleep and to change the tubes that allow me to play EvE 23/7.
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Darkwolf
Caldari
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.04 10:52:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Malcanis
Yeah, you're in a small* country on the other side of the planet and you want everyone else in the world to suffer for your convenience.
Actually, no - I want those people who believe minorities should be inconvenienced just because of what or where they are to suffer. Very, very painfully.
See what I did there?
No, I expect you didn't.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.04 10:55:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Darkwolf
Originally by: Malcanis
Yeah, you're in a small* country on the other side of the planet and you want everyone else in the world to suffer for your convenience.
Actually, no - I want those people who believe minorities should be inconvenienced just because of what or where they are to suffer. Very, very painfully.
See what I did there?
No, I expect you didn't.
yeah I did. You tried to pretend that the undeniable physical fact of your timezone being 12 hours out of phase with the server's was irrelevant and made a "NO U" post to gloss over your terrible whine.
Well anyway have fun.
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Zinras
Caldari
Order of draugr
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Posted - 2008.07.04 11:33:00 -
[79]
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.
Hamster break. Won't somebody please think of the hamsters?
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
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Gelan Blackburn
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Posted - 2008.07.04 11:52:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
No other game on or off the market has 40k players on ONE server at peak. WoW servers can handle 1/10th of this number and has a kindergarten market/item system to boot (much less database work required).
Hmm i hate to break it to you. But there are games out there with way more then 40k on a single server.. Just take Second Life easily have 60k+ during prime time :P
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LordSwift
New Eden Regimental Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.04 12:02:00 -
[81]
Edited by: LordSwift on 04/07/2008 12:02:08
Originally by: Gelan Blackburn
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
No other game on or off the market has 40k players on ONE server at peak. WoW servers can handle 1/10th of this number and has a kindergarten market/item system to boot (much less database work required).
Hmm i hate to break it to you. But there are games out there with way more then 40k on a single server.. Just take Second Life easily have 60k+ during prime time :P
Second life sucks anyway. you cant compare that game to the complex game that is Eve.
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Rock'mar Khan
Minmatar
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2008.07.04 12:36:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Rock''mar Khan on 04/07/2008 12:38:01
Originally by: Tysheara
Quote:
Agree. Beside Eve is ran on a TRS80 with cassette tape drive they need to power cycle it once a day, the poor thing cant handle being left on for more then 24 hours.
Actually, the power cycling only takes about 5 minutes - but then they have to press play on the cassette drive, and wait for a few while the tape plays past all the other random stuff - cause if you try and fast forward those things, the game won't load half the time.
An hour per day (which happens when I sleep), FREE Expansions, dynamic universe, lots of players online, and a staff that actually interacts with it's playerbase? I'll take it...
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Huurtney Gurdsen
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Posted - 2008.07.04 13:30:00 -
[83]
There. Is. A. Downtime. Every. Day.
Get used to it.
It will be ever thus.
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ZephyrLexx
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Posted - 2008.07.04 13:31:00 -
[84]
take WoW for example, wow has a downtime each week, but each individual WoW server has what, 3k players? EVE has 30-40k players, and has maintenance once a day, makes sense doesnt it?
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.07.04 14:45:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Pwett
if EVE's downtime bothers you, move to California. It happens at 4 in the morning there, you'll never notice :)
QFT. :)
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Cyne Spurr
MacroIntel
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:00:00 -
[86]
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.
Other mmos only have 1 dt a week?
That kinda sucks, good job its not one of the 6 or 7 I have played
Personaly I woulf of thought all mmos should have a DT every day...
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:40:00 -
[87]
No other MMO works on the same scale as Eve. Yes DT hits right into my prime playing time, but if you look at the reasons for the DT you can see there's no real way around it.
What we really need is the DT kept on time, or made as fast as possible. You can't eliminate a process that does so many different things that are essential to the smooth running of the Eve-universe. The only way you could get rid of it would be a complete and total re-write of the entire Eve server code from scratch.
Many other games that have a weekly downtime, also have it as a very long weekly downtime, it takes them 6-7 hours to do what CCP manage to do in what is usually an hour, every day. And they're doing it for a sever with a few hundred people on at once calling itself an 'MMO' in comparison to Eve most MMO's are just 'large' multiplayer games.
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Big Al
Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:47:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Esmenet
Because its not like most mmos?
Becoming 'more inline with the industry standard' only applies when they can jack up the price, amirite?
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Heinkel facility
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:49:00 -
[89]
Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.
I agree with the op
So fail!!
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:52:00 -
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because then you wouldnt be able to fly into 0.0 at downtimes except for that one day a week
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