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TruthMachine
Justice to Scammers
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:06:00 -
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I am a former member of ka-tet, for reasons that will soon become obvious I am forced to convey this message to you via an alt.
A couple of weeks ago several TE-KA alliance (Ka-Tet's renter alliance) were scammed out of an unknown amount of isk, the official story goes as follows.
Jonny 101, a Cruel Intentions Diplomat reached agreement with Raven Kahn, then leader of Ka-tet to help their renters, now having to move from the drone regions due to RA aggression, get new space to ply their trades in.
However, about a week after this begins, Jonny 101 is revealed as a scammer and a general warning is issued not to deal with him, further debate on this incident is quelled and the incident is played down by the leadership.
However, given what I had already learned about KA-TET and especially Raven Kahn I decided to look in to it more closely.
First off, Raven Kahn brokered an agreement with what appears at first glance to be a respectable 0.0 diplomat, anyone with a clue will know this is wrong.
If you do a few eve-searches on the character "Jonny 101" you will soon discover that he is the alt of "Kublai" one of the most wanted players in eve, a KNOWN scammer and pirate, Kublai has proven connections to everything from contract scams for a few hundred million isk to a Hulk BPO theft, it took me ten minutes on eve-search, this establishes the following, if Raven Kahn was acting in good faith, he was at best a completely incompetent fool.
However, since the first TE-KA corporation was scammed and the last (known) case there were FIVE DAYS.
For five days Kublai was scamming one TE-KA corporation after the other using Raven Kahn as a voucher, he convinced people to pay up to a months rent up front (never below the billion) and offered to help move corporations assets to fountain, after having tooted his connection to Raven Kahn, who had told these CEO's to message jonny (jonny didn't actually contact anyone on his own, Raven Kahn was spamming mails etc for people to get in touch with him), some corporations contracted nearly EVERY asset they had to Kublai, yes that's right, his famous scammer main, and yet while te-ka corporations are now getting scammed left and right Raven Kahn does nothing, in fact a few days into the scam Raven Kahn begins advertising that Jonny/Kublai is selling high end moons in fountain for a few billion a pop, far less than market value.
This is another giant question mark, what kind of alliance SELLS their high end moons for a mere months income on them?
I'm not sure how much isk and assets are lost over this, I spoke to some who said their corporations lost 1-3 bill, not much in the grand scheme of things but these were small corporations populated mainly by new players just trying to catch a break in eve.
Funny enough this all happens just before Ka-Tet officially disbands and Raven Kahn leaves the alliance, nice timing for getting scammed eh Raven?
It is no secret to those in TE-KA or KA-TET that Raven Kahn and other alliance leaders have been leeching the alliance dry for some time, and with the alliance disbanding a great deal of assets seems to mysteriously have "vanished".
With leaders like these, who the hell is suprised the alliance died?
I am no longer in ka-tet, I don't want to get near Raven Kahn or any of the former leaders, this just once again goes to show that the big boys in eve abuse the small and enslave newbies in 0.0 it's disgusting.
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Dihania
Gallente
Mucho Dolor
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:12:00 -
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roger 10.4
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EVE: "The Hand-holding Age".
I need isk!Accepting donations.
Renting sig space.Taking various jobs. |
Sinc
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:13:00 -
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welcome to eve 
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Kyley
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kyley on 03/07/2008 15:14:51
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General StarScream
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:15:00 -
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Hey its your own falt, i told you this, when that idiot told everyone i was a corp scammer, wich i am not, and they kicked me out, and trapped my assets and wasted my time, for tottal bs, and blamed me for shit. i said i was gona destory you, and make you cry.
NOw HAHA BURN. Next time you mess with someone make sure it aint me.
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Ju Vark
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:15:00 -
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Humm, Strange that I don't remember any of that.
Ka-Tet failed because it was weak and we were rebuilding. Its just the Russians being the untrustworthy people they are got greedy and wanted the moons. It also sets them up with good staging grounds for attacking Mostly Harmless.
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Dominixa
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Ju Vark
Humm, Strange that I don't remember any of that.
Ka-Tet failed because it was weak and we were rebuilding. Its just the Russians being the untrustworthy people they are got greedy and wanted the moons. It also sets them up with good staging grounds for attacking Mostly Harmless.
I heard that attack was coming soon... Wonder how Razor and friends will respond.
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Rick Rothsar
Ghosts of Ragnarok
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:41:00 -
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thread delivers
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Ayeson
Bears Inc
Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:44:00 -
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where is THE INTERNET, this could get amusing...
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Ju Vark
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dominixa
I heard that attack was coming soon... Wonder how Razor and friends will respond.
Well they have failed to assist their current allies who were attack so I don't think there will be much of a reaction.
They will gladly call on the Northern coalition when their space is threatened though. (Anyone notice that?)
What you also have to remember is the Northern Coalition are surrounded from each side now. RA on the left, Goons in Center and XDeath and Solar on right.
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.03 16:18:00 -
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check out this funny screenshot
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0807/temp.jpg
the second most incriminating thing about it is the color scheme, sweet jesus 
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Ripcha Headov
Redeye Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.03 16:19:00 -
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LOL. its always fun to hear about the exploits of the genius who is kublai/jonny 101 
Keep up the good work jonny!
o7 until i fly with you again under the banner of a-war 
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lost packet
Nightmare Inc.
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.07.03 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ayeson
where is THE INTERNET, this could get amusing...
ssshhhhh... you'll wake them up.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.03 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dominixa
Originally by: Ju Vark
Humm, Strange that I don't remember any of that.
Ka-Tet failed because it was weak and we were rebuilding. Its just the Russians being the untrustworthy people they are got greedy and wanted the moons. It also sets them up with good staging grounds for attacking Mostly Harmless.
I heard that attack was coming soon... Wonder how Razor and friends will respond.
Calling it here: RZR will defend someone else's moons with FULL NNC MIGHT.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:06:00 -
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I knew one day I would be able to add Kublai to my Thieves list below. 
Services I Provide:
Caldari Factional Standing Increase ò Alliance Creation ò The Thieves Of EvE ò My Links
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kublai
Caldari
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:11:00 -
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Sigh, newbies.
I wasn't going to post anything this but, since it's out here I might as well give the story.
The profits aren't anywhere near post worthy, but if I do say so myself, the actual story behind it isn't too bad and sure gave a few of my friends a little smile, so gather round children, auntie Kublai has a story.
It all began one day when I was bored, I hadn't really done any gigs for a while so I thought to myself, let's try something new.
I pondered a bit and in the end I popped by caod and the alliance map and made a little list of what alliances were dying at the moment, KA-TET stuck out as the perfect mark, losing their space out of stupidity and greed is the perfect combiniation, the best place to find your sucker.
I contacted Raven Kahn as the OP says, I did the old charm thing one thing leads to another when I felt I had gotten some trust I weer things over to doing a little job together, and you're right, you would have to be a blithering idiot not to know i'm a scammer, in fact it was my profitable track record as a scammer that got him hooked in the first place (the hulk bpo story is a magnet to greedy idiots).
For a cut of the proceeds raven would play the poor innocent victim, getting played by a seemingly legitimate space holding diplomat.
With Raven's voucher it was pretty simple, he got people to contact me and supplied me with a list of names I could approach myself, the scam wasn't monumental or anything, I scammed a few corporations for a few billion isk each, at least one of them claimed they would have to disband, one month rent up front, i'll help haul your stuff etc using raven to calm their fears of getting scammed they were readily contracting their stuff and sending their isk my way.
I guess in total I took TE-KA for 6.5b, I have no doubt I could have taken more but...well to be honest i'm lazy and i'm not greedy, by the end it was becoming a full time job keeping Raven from being found out, and if people started talking about the scam in TE-KA/KA-TET according to the plan Raven would blow the whistle and we'd make it look like he was the hero of the day for stopping me, while I sendt 50% to an alt of his.
Now as you may have guessed, Raven never got his cut, I never intended to pay him jack.
If you're ready to sell out your own for so little you're of no future value to me, so theres no real need to treat you right is there.
I wasn't planning on outing you like this but, given the OP I might as well just tell you what really happened.
Speaking of the OP, welcome to eve, blizzard -> that way, see we have a food chain in this game, it's not about SP or age, it's about something you don't seem to get, enjoy the bottom of the food chain, you'll be staying there.
I don't for a second believe I had any impact on KA-TET's death, as I said I choose them because they were dying, and we all know alliance ceo's can get tempted to get sticky fingers around those times 
As for you General Starscream, in my opinion you're a loud mouth amature and you certainly had -nothing- to do with this scam, so stop mouthing off.
To summarize: I scammed some noobs for enough isk to keep me in ships for a little while forward, it was funny, ka-tet leadership are greedy and exploit their members and renters (wow, thats a shock for a two bit 0.0 alliance) and alt posters are wimps.
Enjoy the show and remember to invest in my upcoming IPO!
This has been a "League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen" press release, now with 10% more democracy!
Methods of Torture - Latrocinium |
kublai
Caldari
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
I knew one day I would be able to add Kublai to my Thieves list below.
Services I Provide:
Caldari Factional Standing Increase ò Alliance Creation ò The Thieves Of EvE ò My Links
Dude didn't I post in your thread -telling- you to add me when you made it?  damn efficient aren't we.
Methods of Torture - Latrocinium |
Viqtoria
Caldari
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:15:00 -
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i think the op is kublai's alt tbhtbhtbh
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Scatim Helicon on 03/07/2008 17:20:03
Originally by: Dominixa
I heard that attack was coming soon... Wonder how Razor and friends will respond.
Any time now they're coming to save you.
Edit: Oh wait no they're not.
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kublai
Caldari
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Originally by: Dominixa
I heard that attack was coming soon... Wonder how Razor and friends will respond.
Any time now they're coming to save you.
I'm selling goon-repellant and invasion insurance btw, just hit me up in game.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Scatim Helicon on 03/07/2008 17:19:44
lol reply is not edit
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Bladen Kerst
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Bladen Kerst on 03/07/2008 17:35:57
o_O scammer who is a fame-whor*.
Now I have seen it all
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2008.07.03 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: kublai
Dude didn't I post in your thread -telling- you to add me when you made it? damn efficient aren't we.
Yes you did... but I couldn't find any real proof.
So... thanks!
(If anyone knows of her other alts please let me know)
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Spacer X
Xpress Yourself
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Posted - 2008.07.03 18:13:00 -
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If you wish to speak with Jonny 101, goto Eve University's pub chat and you'll find him there talking himself up 23/7. Nice patron you allow in your chat eve uni.
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King Leopold
Congo Free State
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Posted - 2008.07.03 18:24:00 -
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Brilliant...
can u help me get some more Minmatar slaves for my rubber plantation?
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Read my Blog - Congo Free State
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Viqtoria
Caldari
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.03 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Spacer X
If you wish to speak with Jonny 101, goto Eve University's pub chat and you'll find him there talking himself up 23/7. Nice patron you allow in your chat eve uni.
this is true. god knows why they spend all their time there threatening to have anyone who disagrees with them griefed from the game and being a general arse 
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Funkcikle
Gallente
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.07.03 18:29:00 -
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kublai Sir, u r made exclusivly of w1n
/me Doffs cap, " well played, well played indeed"
@ te-ka-ta-tit or whatever, you really only have urselves 2 blame here
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.03 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Princess Jodi on 03/07/2008 19:12:24
Originally by: Ju Vark
Originally by: Dominixa
I heard that attack was coming soon... Wonder how Razor and friends will respond.
Well they have failed to assist their current allies who were attack so I don't think there will be much of a reaction.
They will gladly call on the Northern coalition when their space is threatened though. (Anyone notice that?)
What you also have to remember is the Northern Coalition are surrounded from each side now. RA on the left, Goons in Center and XDeath and Solar on right.
God...so much BS in only one post. Must be a new record. 
If you're referring to Smash and Roadkill as 'current allies' then you're sadly mistaken. They WOULD have been considered as allies if they helped in the South, but their perfomance was sporatic at best. They were 'friends' for quite some time, but 'current allies' is pushing way too far.
As far as 'being surrounded', well I guess you got that right. I guess our mistake was destroying Tri, Insurgency, Destiny and the other enemies we had and taking their space. Now there is nothing nearby that is hostile. Man, without you pointing it out I might have been led to believe that we achieved a great victory. Now that I see that taking another 3-4 regions was actually a trap.
Which leads me back to your first point: You seem to be implying that Goons and RA are going to attack the Northern Coalition. While certainly possible, it sure looks like the ones 'surrounded' are Bob, while those opposed to Bob now constitute 3/4 of the 0.0 map.
Edit: 'Friends', not 'Fiends'. lol...Freudian Slip? I donno.
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TornSoul
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.07.03 19:03:00 -
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Karma's a ***** huh Raven.
This post intended for a select audience.
They know who they are.
"Told you so"
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Pamangkin
Notneir Industry LLC
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Posted - 2008.07.03 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
check out this funny screenshot
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0807/temp.jpg
the second most incriminating thing about it is the color scheme, sweet jesus
Is jonny 101 a girl? Just wondering.
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