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WiseJoeyD	Posted - 2008.07.03 15:59:00 - [1] Minmatar is a pretty cool guy, he blobs all day and doesn't afraid of anything. ./discuss
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.07.03 16:07:00 - [2] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 03/07/2008 18:18:20 When the people who are running the militia finally learn that it's stupid forcing people to use Vent or TS instead of EVE-Voice, maybe then some people will join. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Asestorian Domination. Scorched Earth.	Posted - 2008.07.03 16:39:00 - [3] At least it wasn't me who completely missed it this time. --- Quote: EVE is unfair by design.
WiseJoeyD	Posted - 2008.07.03 16:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist When the people who are running the militia finally learn that forcing people to use Vent or TS instead of EVE-Voice is stupid, maybe then some people will join. oh noes, we have to download something to help coordinate better!?!?! AHHH IT'S TOO HARD TO DO! vent / TS > eve voice.
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.07.03 16:52:00 - [5] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 03/07/2008 16:53:09 Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 03/07/2008 16:52:36 Originally by: WiseJoeyD Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist When the people who are running the militia finally learn that forcing people to use Vent or TS instead of EVE-Voice is stupid, maybe then some people will join. oh noes, we have to download something to help coordinate better!?!?! AHHH IT'S TOO HARD TO DO! vent / TS > eve voice. Actually, I'm not feeding the troll. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
WiseJoeyD	Posted - 2008.07.03 16:59:00 - [6] Whether or not im a troll doesn't matter, the point is amarr have turned into the underdogs, our numbers cannot match the minmatar blobs that are constantly on patrol. we have the highest VP per pilot than any other faction though (which means jack when the real objective is system sovereignty).
Winters Chill Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.03 16:59:00 - [7] Edited by: Winters Chill on 03/07/2008 17:00:32 Originally by: WiseJoeyD Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist When the people who are running the militia finally learn that forcing people to use Vent or TS instead of EVE-Voice is stupid, maybe then some people will join. oh noes, we have to download something to help coordinate better!?!?! AHHH IT'S TOO HARD TO DO! vent / TS > eve voice. Ohh noes I'll have to use eve voice!!!! I can't!!! Imma scared of change waahhhh. Seriously though, you would think when asking some players to click "join audio" so hard you had asked them to finish thier brussle sprouts or they won't get pudding. You can practically see them try to hold back the bile. And if your really lucky they go on a massive monolog about why eve voice "sucks". The best one is it can't be used at downtime, at which point I look at the handy eve clock and see downtime is 14 hours away... I've literally seen people lie about eve voice because they are so terrified of change. "doesn't work...I have vent though" "yes lets get 30 people to download vent because you turn your nose up at adaquate ingame voice program..." Eve voice is perfect for faction warfare. Don't like it, leave and join a proper alliance and use a proper voice program I'm sure you'll get a few boyfriends that way. Edit: I however will happily feed the troll, here trolly trolly.
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:06:00 - [8] eve vice is the pwn in FW... ppl dont have to set up vent or TS and it works perfect (as much as i have used it) + you can set it up to show who is speaking or spoke last... so no confusion :) ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:10:00 - [9] I love vent, however I also find eve-voice rather easy to use and PERFECT for FW fleets. If you make your people go OOG and install a third party ap over right clicking and hitting "join audio", no wonder you're getting creamed. Nobody wants to waste time doing that stuff, use the in game voice, it's easier, works with broadcast windows, and everyone already should have it. ________ Originally by: Tarminic I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
Gharr Rhinn	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Riho eve vice is the pwn in FW... ppl dont have to set up vent or TS and it works perfect (as much as i have used it) + you can set it up to show who is speaking or spoke last... so no confusion :) Indeed, Eve voice is awesome for FW. In the time it would take to get an entire fleet onto Vent or TS, you could already have a fleet up and talking with Eve Voice. Plus it just seems more secure, then giving a bunch of ransom people access to your vent/ts server. Not to mention the integration into the UI. Pretty slick. The sound quality is pretty impressive as well.
JonnyKay Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:15:00 - [11] Edited by: JonnyKay on 03/07/2008 17:18:23 gotta love the hijack on this thread. its gone from the OP stating that minny severely outnumber amarr to discussing which voice programs to use. The 2nd poster claims that amarr have literally half the number of pilots that minny have because of the choice of voice program used in most fleets? 10/10 for hijack I dont hear anyone complaining in militia chat or fleets about the use of vent or ts, and i wasn't aware of any problem. Mayby people should speak up more ingame? ;S But yeh, eve voice is suprisingly good.
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:18:00 - [12] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 03/07/2008 17:18:07 Originally by: JonnyKay gotta love the hijack on this thread. its gone from the OP stating that minny severely outnumber amarr to discussing which voice programs to use. The 2nd poster claims that amarr have literally half the number of pilots that minny have because of the choice of voice program used in most fleets? 10/10 for hijack I dont hear anyone complaining in militia chat or fleets about the use of vent or ts, and i quite frankly wasn't aware of any problem. Mayby people should speak up more ingame? ;S Recheck my post I never even mentioned a number let alone half. While you're right it was a slight derailment, it's one of the reasons why Amarr can't get their act together. It's the main reason why I left. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Andraine Coded Arms Corp	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:20:00 - [13] Eve voice sucks bad and totally works different on everyone's clients. It crashes a lot of peoples EVE, plus if you do crash for what ever reason, you're totally cut off from your gang. At least on TS you're still on comms if the client crashes. TS/vent gangs probably cut down on spies also. And as for "you don't need comms".... LOL yeh right....ok....but understand that 99% of those compitant gang pvpers wont be in your gangs without comms. It doesn't even take much effort, so try it. Hud
JonnyKay Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:21:00 - [14] Edited by: JonnyKay on 03/07/2008 17:22:11 (to Slanty McGarglefist) - sorry, i may have put a few words into ur mouth, but im sure we both know amarr have half the number of minny.
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:23:00 - [15] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 03/07/2008 17:23:12 Originally by: JonnyKay (to Slanty McGarglefist) - sorry, i may have put a few words into ur mouth, but im sure we both know amarr have half the number of minny. It's okay, not a problem. 300 was typically the norm that was online at any given time. Not sure if that means anything overall though as I haven't joined the other factions. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:32:00 - [16] so this is basically about you leaving your FW brothers to certain doom because your too cowardly to fight on in the face of superior numbers and cant adapt to a new voice program? evolution = adapt or be extinct, damn some people dont even make it to the front lines before being dropped
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:36:00 - [17] I hope Amarr get what they deserve for trying to ram a certain playstyle down all the other players' throats... No one likes being told what to do, especially not in a videogame. I doubt anyone who lives in empire and loves the freedom of an NPC corp is going to give a shit about your orders.
Hudsonn A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Asuka Smith I hope Amarr get what they deserve for trying to ram a certain playstyle down all the other players' throats... No one likes being told what to do, especially not in a videogame. I doubt anyone who lives in empire and loves the freedom of an NPC corp is going to give a shit about your orders. That's fine, totally fine. If they dont wanna Join in, it's up to them. What else would they do though? Fly around blindly, getting ganked at every turn? Sounds awesome yeh ___________________________ Minmatar Rebel
Karok Vilneram State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:47:00 - [19] The Amarr militia that keep trying to defend TS/Vent, and force people to use it, and then wonder why no one joins them, reminds me of the felon that keeps breaking the law and trying to figure out how he keeps ending up in jail.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist When the people who are running the militia finally learn that forcing people to use Vent or TS instead of EVE-Voice is stupid, maybe then some people will join. OMG no kidding! The Amarr people refuse to use EVE-voice. Half the fleet can't talk to one another, no wonder they're losing so bad.
Skogen Gump	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Andraine Eve voice sucks bad and totally works different on everyone's clients. It crashes a lot of peoples EVE, plus if you do crash for what ever reason, you're totally cut off from your gang. At least on TS you're still on comms if the client crashes. TS/vent gangs probably cut down on spies also. And as for "you don't need comms".... LOL yeh right....ok....but understand that 99% of those compitant gang pvpers wont be in your gangs without comms. It doesn't even take much effort, so try it. Hud I suggest these people send in petitions then; I've had nothing but success with EVE Voice, especially in some large minnie FW fleets. Perhaps people should try it again after this weeks Patch ?
Hudsonn A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Karok Vilneram The Amarr militia that keep trying to defend TS/Vent, and force people to use it, and then wonder why no one joins them, reminds me of the felon that keeps breaking the law and trying to figure out how he keeps ending up in jail. You can't "force" anyone to do anything. Tbh we get very good sized gangs in TS, and it's been effective. It's also good for the, god fobid, "social" side of the game. ___________________________ Minmatar Rebel
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:54:00 - [23] Originally by: JonnyKay I dont hear anyone complaining in militia chat or fleets about the use of vent or ts, and i wasn't aware of any problem. Mayby people should speak up more ingame? They are speaking up in-game. You're not listening though, because you're using third party out-of-game voice chat.
Hudsonn A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Skogen Gump Originally by: Andraine Eve voice sucks bad and totally works different on everyone's clients. It crashes a lot of peoples EVE, plus if you do crash for what ever reason, you're totally cut off from your gang. At least on TS you're still on comms if the client crashes. TS/vent gangs probably cut down on spies also. And as for "you don't need comms".... LOL yeh right....ok....but understand that 99% of those compitant gang pvpers wont be in your gangs without comms. It doesn't even take much effort, so try it. Hud I suggest these people send in petitions then; I've had nothing but success with EVE Voice, especially in some large minnie FW fleets. Perhaps people should try it again after this weeks Patch ? Yup, there has been petitions. Doesn't matter anyway tbh, TS/vent is superior is other ways as well. it's not really a big deal, i dunno why people get so upset about it. if you dont wanna use TS, don't use TS. Simple. Don't cry about it. ___________________________ Minmatar Rebel
Hudsonn A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: JonnyKay I dont hear anyone complaining in militia chat or fleets about the use of vent or ts, and i wasn't aware of any problem. Mayby people should speak up more ingame? They are speaking up in-game. You're not listening though, because you're using third party out-of-game voice chat. Nope, its seems they complain about it on the forum instead. Way to go! ___________________________ Minmatar Rebel
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:07:00 - [26] Originally by: Hudsonn Originally by: Skogen Gump Originally by: Andraine Eve voice sucks bad and totally works different on everyone's clients. It crashes a lot of peoples EVE, plus if you do crash for what ever reason, you're totally cut off from your gang. At least on TS you're still on comms if the client crashes. TS/vent gangs probably cut down on spies also. And as for "you don't need comms".... LOL yeh right....ok....but understand that 99% of those compitant gang pvpers wont be in your gangs without comms. It doesn't even take much effort, so try it. Hud I suggest these people send in petitions then; I've had nothing but success with EVE Voice, especially in some large minnie FW fleets. Perhaps people should try it again after this weeks Patch ? Yup, there has been petitions. Doesn't matter anyway tbh, TS/vent is superior is other ways as well. it's not really a big deal, i dunno why people get so upset about it. if you dont wanna use TS, don't use TS. Simple. Don't cry about it. Well it kinda is a big deal in a way since if you split up the militia, you're effectively crippling your strategies. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Hudsonn Nope, its seems they complain about it on the forum instead. Way to go! That's because they got sick of the militia and quit. Amarr militia has a problem of too many would-be emperors and too few team players. Half the players in any fleet declare themselves fleet commander and they all insist that you use their personal TS or Vent server. Do the other militias have this problem?
Karok Vilneram State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:16:00 - [28] I use Vent when I was in a corp. It is awesome and I love it. But it was an organized group of people that are pretty much the same most of the time. Not a rag tag group of people that you have to get to DL a program and install it and then give them the server info and password and then the possibility they could be a spy. I use Voice in FW and its awesome I love it. Plus I like how it tells me who is speaking right in game. It has a lot of great functinoality and it SUPER easy to get ANYONE in on your chat. And it is more secure as you don't have to tell anyone your vent password. Just realize that Voice is the choice for FW fleets.
Hudsonn A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Originally by: Hudsonn Originally by: Skogen Gump Originally by: Andraine Eve voice sucks bad and totally works different on everyone's clients. It crashes a lot of peoples EVE, plus if you do crash for what ever reason, you're totally cut off from your gang. At least on TS you're still on comms if the client crashes. TS/vent gangs probably cut down on spies also. And as for "you don't need comms".... LOL yeh right....ok....but understand that 99% of those compitant gang pvpers wont be in your gangs without comms. It doesn't even take much effort, so try it. Hud I suggest these people send in petitions then; I've had nothing but success with EVE Voice, especially in some large minnie FW fleets. Perhaps people should try it again after this weeks Patch ? Yup, there has been petitions. Doesn't matter anyway tbh, TS/vent is superior is other ways as well. it's not really a big deal, i dunno why people get so upset about it. if you dont wanna use TS, don't use TS. Simple. Don't cry about it. Well it kinda is a big deal in a way since if you split up the militia, you're effectively crippling your strategies. That's pretty much rubbish as half the militia dont know what their doing anyway. ___________________________ Minmatar Rebel
Hudsonn A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: Hudsonn Nope, its seems they complain about it on the forum instead. Way to go! That's because they got sick of the militia and quit. Amarr militia has a problem of too many would-be emperors and too few team players. Half the players in any fleet declare themselves fleet commander and they all insist that you use their personal TS or Vent server. Do the other militias have this problem? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Someone needs to step and lead gangs, people who know hat they're doing. If everyone was running around doing what they wanted, the amarr milita would be a lot worse than it is now. It just so happens, these people who know what they're doing (how to organize and move fleets , tactics etc) some from experienced player bases where the common form of comms is TS/Vent servers. There's no one person in charge of these milita's, but you have to be as organized as possible.......even more so becasue amarr have the smallest milita. ___________________________ Minmatar Rebel
Grath Telkin Amarr Evolving Paradigms	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:46:00 - [31] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Well it kinda is a big deal in a way since if you split up the militia, you're effectively crippling your strategies. see, while all the arm chair jockey's are up here passing verdict on the "leaders" of the amarr militia (laughable, there are none thanks), the ACTUAL FC's have already taken steps to adjust. See, EVE voice works like crap on some peoples CPU, Vent is not viable for some, and some hate TS, so we've begun Simulcasting to all of them whenever possible. At least I have. Someone said here that were "forcing" a game play style down your throat by insisting on 3rd party voice comms, but thats ok for you to do with EVE V. Great, it works perfect for you, but for others, thats not the case. As soon as we started the simulcasting, we did in fact get some new faces in the nightly fleets. Although the loyalist's have still been somewhat aloof, insisting only on Vent, I've even gotten a few of those guys to come on ops. SO for all the 'nobodies' that came here to smash us for 'forcing' things on you...isn't that what your doing, forcing eve voice on people?
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:52:00 - [32] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 03/07/2008 18:53:37 Originally by: Grath Telkin Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Well it kinda is a big deal in a way since if you split up the militia, you're effectively crippling your strategies. see, while all the arm chair jockey's are up here passing verdict on the "leaders" of the amarr militia (laughable, there are none thanks), the ACTUAL FC's have already taken steps to adjust. See, EVE voice works like crap on some peoples CPU, Vent is not viable for some, and some hate TS, so we've begun Simulcasting to all of them whenever possible. At least I have. Someone said here that were "forcing" a game play style down your throat by insisting on 3rd party voice comms, but thats ok for you to do with EVE V. Great, it works perfect for you, but for others, thats not the case. As soon as we started the simulcasting, we did in fact get some new faces in the nightly fleets. Although the loyalist's have still been somewhat aloof, insisting only on Vent, I've even gotten a few of those guys to come on ops. SO for all the 'nobodies' that came here to smash us for 'forcing' things on you...isn't that what your doing, forcing eve voice on people? Indeed, it is a double-edged sword, but due to the latest patch, EVE voice is a lot more stable than previous incarnations. Nobody ever said, me included, that using multiple voice-comm progs are causing the downfall of the Amarrian miltia, it's just one of the reasons. EV is just easier to use, it's in the game, don't have to minimize and you can see who's talking. Regrettably, some people are still having issues with it, but i hope the latest patch has alleviated some of these concerns. I also hope people aren't shooting from the hip due to previous poor encounters with it. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Ron Bacardi Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.03 19:01:00 - [33] My Eve Voice has been broken since the EA patch. Don't know why, don't know what is causing it and I have used it before. I have petitioned, followed up, and bug reported to no avail, besides getting a reply of "We are aware of the problem and we're working on it". I have tried all recomended firewall, port and router settings, including talking with my ISP. I have included logserver and diagnostic reports with my petitions. I have deleted every possible eve setting, cache and reinstalled the client numerous times. (If i have to do my overview settings again I'm going to kill a small animal). Vent and TS work. Always. I'll never join another corp that doesn't use either Vent or TS.
Grath Telkin Amarr Evolving Paradigms	Posted - 2008.07.03 20:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist EV is just easier to use, it's in the game, don't have to minimize and you can see who's talking. Regrettably, some people are still having issues with it, but i hope the latest patch has alleviated some of these concerns. I also hope people aren't shooting from the hip due to previous poor encounters with it. everything you said here is true, for some users. I know that one of our FC's cpu crashes EVERYTIME he tries to join audio. So no, they are not shooting from the hip. But, like I said, I am attempting to cross multiple platforms by simply broadcasting across as many channels as I can, and it has in fact picked up our participation, something we sorely needed. Our nightly (us tz) ops have had higher success rates, as we've changed up tactics a bit, and the bleeding off of Amarr systems has at least been stifled at this point, though taking them back still remains a task. Again, I'm seeing a lot of angry Caldari pilots who operated under the few FC's who were working in the FIRST WEEK of FW. Things change in EVE with time, and the continual bashing of the entire faction over the actions of a few people who really don't FC much anymore is just silly. Perhaps if you came down and flew with us again, you would see some changes, AND learn how to kill nanno boats at the same time. Ask "piak" and his 11km/s Vaga (Gist mwd and snakes) that he USED TO FLY, but was taken down by t1 cruisers.
Ulfgar Rumnarn	Posted - 2008.07.03 20:55:00 - [35] Excuses... no one else is having this many problems as the amarr are having with using EV.
Trind2222 Amarr Soliders Of Eve Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.03 21:02:00 - [36] I can see the amarr milita fc point of view. If I was fc I will make my own team and give them different jobs I quite demanding I want action I will make my own book marks cheer whit the others then delete them next day then make new ect. But I lack leadership ability so it won't happen I am sure there are some good amarr fc out there some where in eve.
Karl Luckner	Posted - 2008.07.03 23:01:00 - [37] Well, I think it's much easier. Amarr got the lowest playerbase of all races. Hence they got the smallest militia. Most probably, many people don't like playing religious fanatics. Their ships are fine, but I wouldn't mind if the Minmatar kill all of them.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.07.03 23:04:00 - [38] The point is not that nobody should play a leadership role, it's that the Amarr are full of people constantly declaring themselves The Leader and calling their op The Official Fleet and telling everybody else The Rules and The Official Chat Channel and The TS Server they have to use. It's a load of BS. Maybe for the Caldari who have thousands of people online at once, these little entrepreneurs don't hurt anything. But when you split 25 Amarr militia off into a private clique, that may be half of the Amarrians playing FW at the moment. It's no wonder the Minmatars are doing so well. Here are the steps: 1. Form fleets. 2. Seek victories. 3. Earn respect. 4. Become recognized as a leader. The Amarr militia is full of people trying to do #4 before #1 and #2, and ignoring #3.
Faekurias Black Legion Command Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.03 23:06:00 - [39] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker The point is not that nobody should play a leadership role, it's that the Amarr are full of people constantly declaring themselves The Leader and calling their op The Official Fleet and telling everybody else The Rules and The Official Chat Channel and The TS Server they have to use. It's a load of BS. Maybe for the Caldari who have thousands of people online at once, these little entrepreneurs don't hurt anything. But when you split 25 Amarr militia off into a private clique, that may be half of the Amarrians playing FW at the moment. It's no wonder the Minmatars are doing so well. Here are the steps: 1. Form fleets. 2. Seek victories. 3. Earn respect. 4. Become recognized as a leader. The Amarr militia is full of people trying to do #4 before #1 and #2, and ignoring #3. I r amarr militia, bow me. Great worriro -----------------------------------
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.03 23:13:00 - [40] Originally by: WiseJoeyD Whether or not im a troll doesn't matter, the point is amarr have turned into the underdogs, our numbers cannot match the minmatar blobs that are constantly on patrol. we have the highest VP per pilot than any other faction though (which means jack when the real objective is system sovereignty). NO IT DOES - WE DEMAND TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE A TROLL SKUNK
Doctor Mabuse	Posted - 2008.07.03 23:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Hudsonn Someone needs to step and lead gangs, people who know hat they're doing. If everyone was running around doing what they wanted, the amarr milita would be a lot worse than it is now. ? but this is exactly how the Minmater militia is currently running... Who's trip-trapping on my bridge?
Nessa Aldeen Caldari First Among Equals	Posted - 2008.07.04 11:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker The point is not that nobody should play a leadership role, it's that the Amarr are full of people constantly declaring themselves The Leader and calling their op The Official Fleet and telling everybody else The Rules and The Official Chat Channel and The TS Server they have to use. It's a load of BS. Maybe for the Caldari who have thousands of people online at once, these little entrepreneurs don't hurt anything. But when you split 25 Amarr militia off into a private clique, that may be half of the Amarrians playing FW at the moment. It's no wonder the Minmatars are doing so well. Here are the steps: 1. Form fleets. 2. Seek victories. 3. Earn respect. 4. Become recognized as a leader. The Amarr militia is full of people trying to do #4 before #1 and #2, and ignoring #3. This person is absolutely correct. I was in Amarr Militia for 2 weeks. Some idiots tried blocking a gang that wasn't APPROVED by some noob who declared he was leader, so ended up in us being accused as spies. The Holier than Thou approach "...i dont know you.. everyone in militia please ignore the X..." was very dumb.And these were ppl who wanted to take the lead mind u. Also Amarr Militia only care about the capture points mostly.. meaning they were mostly in crap ships and issuing punishers. And they continue to say they are winning (even though they have lost 8 systems already-only 20 left) and they are doing FW the right way by flying crap. I think AM are seriously delusional people who think they can win the systems by merely capping (badly I might add otherwise they would have recaptured). They also start yelling abt how not to post intel etc. in militia channel. So we ended up in some 3 extra channels that was said to be the secure but in the end got flooded by a ton of minmatar pilots. LOLZ. Which makes the point of having the channels that they claim to be secure absolutely MOOT. So they barred the channels and forced ppl of it. Then started yelling again abt how not to post and how you need to REQUEST an invite to the channel. But let me ask you all, are ANY channels secure in FW? The main corp is an NPC corp doh.. buy a clue. Finally, the TS/VENT issue was another ****ed issue. Screaming and yelling about how there are spies in channel, and how eve voice sucks (so far in other gangs i.e. caldari - more than 60 in it - no one complained abt it) and basically saying if ur not in TS u wont get invites to the gang .. that was the last straw. There are some good corps in Amarr Militia but they are staying completely off the Miltia .. just go in and do their job. So to the self proclaimed leaders in Amarr militia i hope you get ganked over and over again . p.s. the channel finally ended up in a ***ing contest that was very entertaining to read like a bad Mexican soap opera.,,every day until the day my corp quit .. Thank god.
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.04 11:35:00 - [43] Originally by: WiseJoeyD Whether or not im a troll doesn't matter, the point is amarr have turned into the underdogs, our numbers cannot match the minmatar blobs that are constantly on patrol. we have the highest VP per pilot than any other faction though (which means jack when the real objective is system sovereignty). Yeah, because who wants to be a slaver and religious nut? :D --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Horizon Taker Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.07.04 11:35:00 - [44] Nessa, trolling you would be too easy so I refrained. Thank you for quitting Amarr Militia.
Karina Harington A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.07.04 13:12:00 - [45] Heh, I never realised my militia was so full of cry-babies. Simple fact: EVE Voice doesn't work for everyone and is problematic for a surprisingly large number of people. Therefore, we use something that works for pretty much everybody and is remarkably stable.
Tyrantus Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.04 13:37:00 - [46] Heh. Well every new expansion seems to spark some never before 'discussed' issue and Eymp Age looks to have brought us 'The Great Voice-Coms Controversy'. I seem to dimly remember that just before the expansion hit wasn't the forum consensus generally of the opinion that Eve voice sucked donkey balls and why would you ever need to use anything but TS/Vent? Originally by: Tzujeih Quick, somebody other than myself, make my decisions for me!
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.04 14:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Karina Harington Heh, I never realised my militia was so full of cry-babies. Simple fact: EVE Voice doesn't work for everyone and is problematic for a surprisingly large number of people. Therefore, we use something that works for pretty much everybody and is remarkably stable. I realy wonder how so many amarr are having problems. In all of the caldari ops I have taken part in the only people who had issues with eve voice were the ones who didnt turn it on in the options or got the input settings wrong and sounded like a megaphone stuck in a sandstorm. Its easy to connect, better quality than alot of TS/Vent severs I have joined, very secure and most importantly is very fast to connect to.
Steve Celeste	Posted - 2008.07.04 15:19:00 - [48] Originally by: baltec1 I realy wonder how so many amarr are having problems. They are just trying to blame outside sources, when in fact it is their own incompetence that is to be blamed. This type of behaviour is usually found in people with low self-esteem.
Karina Harington A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.07.04 15:26:00 - [49] The quality of EVE voice is very good, but the compatibility really isn't up to snuff. Teamspeak may have low quality these days, but it works on pretty much every computer you want to put it on.

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