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Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:17:00 - [1] Where to start? Eve is broke on so many levels that it's hard to know where to begin. Let's start with numbers. 10 million people play WOW and 30 thousand people play Eve According to Eve players this proves that Eve is the best game since sliced bread and everybody that plays Wow is so dumb as to be completely beyond the pale. This kinda proves that in general Eve players are like a shilling short of a 10 bob note. I. E. as thick as 2 short planks. Ok lets get to specifics CCP aren't exactly hot when it comes to game balancing For instance some ships can be pimped to fly at 18km per second At this speed they can outrun ALL Caldari missiles So let's just think about this for a moment Against certain ships the weapon of choice of 1 of Eves races is completely useless. Congratulations CCP on your wonderfully professional game balancing skills Ok 1st suggestion!! If certain ship can be pimped to fly at daft speeds then why not allow Caldari misiles to be pimped to fly at equally daft speeds? THAT'S CALLED GAME BALANCING CCP!!!!! Second suggestion!! When people train recon ships why not allow them to CHOOSE which of the available ship bonuses they chose. When virtually everybody then choses the webifier range bonus then you might realise how singularly useless the recon ship bonuses for the other 3 races are. I only Play Eve atm because I can play it for free(the gtc scheme is another one of CCPs totally daft ideas) and as soon as something else comes along I will jump ship. But please note CCP that people like me who stick around to whine(yep this is as whiney as it gets) aren't the problem. It's the people who play the game for a few days and then quit cos they think the game is a joke that are the problem. There are literally hundreds of thousands of these " I tried Eve and thought it was shit" players as demonstrated by the ridiculously small number of regular Eve players And no you can't have my stuff
Spineker Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Spineker on 05/07/2008 22:22:23 Wow sucks Eve doesn't Wow is a like a cartoon Eve isn't Wow is full of tards Eve ... well mostly not hahah Wow is boring Eve can be Wow or blizzard had millions of followers from the 90s Eve didn't Wow is a kiddie game Eve isn't Oh and Wow is not balanced
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:22:00 - [3] 200k players play eve, 40k do SIMULTANEOUSLY, I have no figures about WoW, but I doubt 10 million players play that game at the same time. And tbh, don't compare eve with WoW, or any other MMO for that matter. PS: your stuff, contract to me. Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Spineker Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:24:00 - [4] Dark Age was 100x better then Wow but didn't have the Zerg following
Eevul Rabbite Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:25:00 - [5] Originally by: Roguehalo Where to start? Eve is broke on so many levels that it's hard to know where to begin. Let's start with numbers. 10 million people play WOW and 30 thousand people play Eve Over 250,000 people play EVE (take away some alts, add some trials). More if you count the Chinese server. 30k is the usual number of concurrent players online, not subscribers. You failed right at the start. As for the rest, can I have your stuff?
Spineker Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:26:00 - [6] I agree Nano's suckass though. Not because they exist but because there is no counterbalance to them like most other ships. UNless you can insta spawn a inty and falcon wingman.
Doc Fury	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Roguehalo Eve is broke Correction: *CCP* is broke after spending everything on bree, aquariums, and flying geeks to Iceland. The beginning was the end (of everything) The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it) Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
Oftherocks Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Roguehalo are like a shilling short of a 10 bob note. I. E. as thick as 2 short planks. This is a great word combo, I'm stealing it.
Wayson Minmatar Trans Nebula Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:28:00 - [9] Hmm. I don't have the statistics on hand but I'm fairly certain more than 30,000 individuals play EVE. 10m people play WoW because it's from a major game developer that can afford to market the hell out of it and leverage its successful history of past games, including major hits like Starcraft, the Warcraft series, and Diablo. CCP doesn't market EVE one iota as much as Blizzard does WoW. Nano***gotry is annoying, I concur! Yes, it's a bit of a balance issue but it's not as if it can't be countered. Neut the nanoship's cap and/or web it, and it's in deep bleep. Missiles aren't solely a Caldari ship province, nor are they the ONLY weapon that the Caldari can use. In case you didn't notice, Caldari ships also get some (mediocre) bonuses to hybrids. Anyways, no one in their right mind uses missiles in fleet combat, while in smaller gang pvp the tackler(s) can (as noted) web down the nanoships, while everyone else can neut them. It's a case of the right tool for the right job. GTC isn't daft, it's clever. Someone somewhere is buying the code, which sends money to CCP. They're not losing money on it; if two subscriptions are bought by one person with one of them being sold to a second person, then it's the same as two people buying one subscription each. ___ Victory smiles upon those who anticipate the changes in the character of war, not upon those who wait to adapt themselves after they occur. ~Guilio Douhet
Eat Bunnies	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:28:00 - [10] This post was very interesting. No really. I always love seeing nano-whine posts. Really, i do.
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Eevul Rabbite Originally by: Roguehalo Where to start? Eve is broke on so many levels that it's hard to know where to begin. Let's start with numbers. 10 million people play WOW and 30 thousand people play Eve Over 250,000 people play EVE (take away some alts, add some trials). More if you count the Chinese server. 30k is the usual number of concurrent players online, not subscribers. You failed right at the start. As for the rest, can I have your stuff? There are actually probably only a few thousand people who play Eve to play the game. But hell your post is demonstrative of the average level of intelligence of Eve players.
Spineker Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Doc Fury Originally by: Roguehalo Eve is broke Correction: *CCP* is broke after spending everything on bree, aquariums, and flying geeks to Iceland. I like aquariums anyway haha
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Roguehalo Originally by: Eevul Rabbite Originally by: Roguehalo Where to start? Eve is broke on so many levels that it's hard to know where to begin. Let's start with numbers. 10 million people play WOW and 30 thousand people play Eve Over 250,000 people play EVE (take away some alts, add some trials). More if you count the Chinese server. 30k is the usual number of concurrent players online, not subscribers. You failed right at the start. As for the rest, can I have your stuff? There are actually probably only a few thousand people who play Eve to play the game. But hell your post is demonstrative of the average level of intelligence of Eve players. Correct, there is exactly 1384 players in Eve and they have 180 accounts each in average. I heard it from very informed WoW player.
Joe Starbreaker AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Roguehalo Let's start with numbers. 10 million people play WOW and 30 thousand people play Eve Yeah, but they're better people. Except for you, it seems.
Kobushi OCForums	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:40:00 - [15] I've never played wow and never will BUT I'll go there and while about(insert controvertial class/race/skill/magic/gear) and actually expect them to listen and change the world because of my personal dislikes. I give this Troll 2/10, he actually managed to roll a niche VS generic fantasy(ok THE generic fantasy) MMO, nanowhine, 5k player shard vs 45K persistant universe, EW whine, Caldari whine, web whine, missile whine, recon whine.
Leora Nomen Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Roguehalo Let's start with numbers. 10 million people play WOW and 30 thousand people play Eve Majority of people also eat junk food, watch a lot of tv, and never graduate college. If a lot of other people pick to do something doesn't mean it is good for you, that it is a quality enterprise that you should also partake in. As for how many people play EVE your numbers are way off. EVE has 230K active subs and about 50K trials. Less than a quarter of the account holders have multiple accounts. This means that about 150-170 thousand different people play EVE at any given point in time. More people out there taking temporary breaks putting the real number of EVE players over 200 thousand for sure. Originally by: Roguehalo According to Eve players this proves that Eve is the best game since sliced bread and everybody that plays Wow is so dumb as to be completely beyond the pale. This kinda proves that in general Eve players are like a shilling short of a 10 bob note. I. E. as thick as 2 short planks. Same goes for every game out there. Go and find me a game that doesn't have its so-called fanbois then whine about this. Originally by: Roguehalo Ok lets get to specifics CCP aren't exactly hot when it comes to game balancing For instance some ships can be pimped to fly at 18km per second ... I see what you did there it is a disguised nano-whine #1829 Originally by: Roguehalo I only Play Eve atm because I can play it for free(the gtc scheme is another one of CCPs totally daft ideas) and as soon as something else comes along I will jump ship. Don't forget to contract me your stuff when the time comes o/ Originally by: Roguehalo But please note CCP that people like me who stick around to whine(yep this is as whiney as it gets) aren't the problem. It's the people who play the game for a few days and then quit cos they think the game is a joke that are the problem. There are literally hundreds of thousands of these " I tried Eve and thought it was shit" players as demonstrated by the ridiculously small number of regular Eve players There is no problem with players quitting EVE, especially forum whiners cos no one is going to miss you guys. The game cannot sustain an explosive growth or 10 million subscribers like WoW. As long as EVE keeps about same numbers or grows slowly it is fine. Explosive growth will kill this game. You do realize this right? guide to game time codes
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:43:00 - [17] By your fancy logic 6000 people play Wow. Caldari use RAILS, caldari and missiles are a later invention. I'm gonna have to quote the Poet on this one You're a few clowns short of a circus. There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius.
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Kobushi I've never played wow and never will BUT I'll go there and while about(insert controvertial class/race/skill/magic/gear) and actually expect them to listen and change the world because of my personal dislikes. I give this Troll 2/10, he actually managed to roll a niche VS generic fantasy(ok THE generic fantasy) MMO, nanowhine, 5k player shard vs 45K persistant universe, EW whine, Caldari whine, web whine, missile whine, recon whine. I give your post 0/10 It didn't actually contain anything
Asestorian Domination. Scorched Earth.	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:51:00 - [19] This thread is terrible. Caldari whine about nanos, great. Nanos are broken, because essentially the speeds that they can get to break the game logic. CCP have admitted this via the CSM. However, I doubt fixing it is particularly easy. Oh and, just so you know, the vast majority of EVE players only have a single account. So yes, while 250,000 active accounts will include alt accounts, there would at least be 200,000 people who play EVE. I'm also pretty sure CCP don't count trial accounts, whereas it has been said Blizzard do. In any case. EVE has a low subscriber rate compared to WoW for multiple reasons, and nanos aren't really one of them. Being a niche sci-fi game is a pretty major factor, and lets not forget that EVE is constantly growing, and has survived longer while continuing this trend than some MMOs last at all. So, in conclusion: Nanos are broken when it comes to the really absurd speeds because the game is not made to handle those speeds, and you're a bit of a whiner who made a terrible, terrible whine thread about nanos and Caldari. --- Quote: EVE is unfair by design.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Roguehalo Where to start? Eve is broke on so many levels that it's hard to know where to begin. Let's start with numbers. 10 million people play WOW and 30 thousand people play Eve According to Eve players this proves that Eve is the best game since sliced bread and everybody that plays Wow is so dumb as to be completely beyond the pale. This kinda proves that in general Eve players are like a shilling short of a 10 bob note. I. E. as thick as 2 short planks. ... It's the people who play the game for a few days and then quit cos they think the game is a joke that are the problem. There are literally hundreds of thousands of these " I tried Eve and thought it was shit" players as demonstrated by the ridiculously small number of regular Eve players We're just the ones left behind, who like it enough to put up with the more annoying drawbacks in return for the unique features on offer. Given the unsharded nature of EVE, which causes problems with scaling, this is probably never going to be a very large number of people. Quote: If certain ship can be pimped to fly at daft speeds then why not allow Caldari misiles to be pimped to fly at equally daft speeds? A pimped recon plus some distinctly ordinary weapons does much the same job already, for a cost of a similar order to making a ship go that fast, and you'd still need one to prevent your speedy target from getting out of disruptor range and warping off even if you had missiles that could catch them. Not much of an idea, really. Some people see the problem slightly differently - i.e. that HACs in particular can almost completely displace interceptors, cruisers, destroyers, frigates & AFs from their intended roles. They can go almost as fast, tank more, and do more dps across the board. Quote: When people train recon ships why not allow them to CHOOSE which of the available ship bonuses they chose. When virtually everybody then choses the webifier range bonus then you might realise how singularly useless the recon ship bonuses for the other 3 races are. This is the best available counter to the current fashion of speed tanking, and as such it's part of the same issue. Going at these ridiculous speeds gives you increased survivability, because it gives you the option to withdraw. This makes it more economical to use a really expensive nano-fit (witness the price of polycarbon rigs as a testament to this) than a cheap web-range fit. The time it takes to sort out a replacement ship can also be a consideration. This makes me wonder whether some new variant of ECM or WCS, the previous two types of fit that gave people the ability to disengage at will, might be worthwhile in order to make other tactics more viable. A module giving a temporary boost to warp core strength and agility requiring some sort of expensive fuel might be interesting. Zzz research towers Direrie NEW: Liekuri 20:1 low-end compression
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Leora Nomen As for how many people play EVE your numbers are way off. EVE has 230K active subs and about 50K trials. Less than a quarter of the account holders have multiple accounts. This means that about 150-170 thousand different people play EVE at any given point in time. More people out there taking temporary breaks putting the real number of EVE players over 200 thousand for sure. Dream on
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Eevul Rabbite Originally by: Roguehalo Where to start? Eve is broke on so many levels that it's hard to know where to begin. Let's start with numbers. 10 million people play WOW and 30 thousand people play Eve Over 250,000 people play EVE (take away some alts, add some trials). More if you count the Chinese server. 30k is the usual number of concurrent players online, not subscribers. You failed right at the start. As for the rest, can I have your stuff? actually trials aren't counted :) also the last figure shows that 700,000 accounts have been sold and wow counts all accounts not just active ones. so by wow standards eve has about 700,000 players. but who cares they get 5000 a server we get 40,000 also wow is NOT balanced.
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:05:00 - [23] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Eevul Rabbite Originally by: Roguehalo Where to start? Eve is broke on so many levels that it's hard to know where to begin. Let's start with numbers. 10 million people play WOW and 30 thousand people play Eve Over 250,000 people play EVE (take away some alts, add some trials). More if you count the Chinese server. 30k is the usual number of concurrent players online, not subscribers. You failed right at the start. As for the rest, can I have your stuff? actually trials aren't counted :) also the last figure shows that 700,000 accounts have been sold and wow counts all accounts not just active ones. so by wow standards eve has about 700,000 players. but who cares they get 5000 a server we get 40,000 also wow is NOT balanced. Dream on
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Roguehalo Originally by: Leora Nomen As for how many people play EVE your numbers are way off. EVE has 230K active subs and about 50K trials. Less than a quarter of the account holders have multiple accounts. This means that about 150-170 thousand different people play EVE at any given point in time. More people out there taking temporary breaks putting the real number of EVE players over 200 thousand for sure. Dream on whata re you going on about??? did you know that only 50,000 people signed up for eve have EVER posted on the forums here? did you know most people never visit a games forums? only 10% of most player bases know the forums are even there for them. on top of that only forum people have multiple accounts which is about half of them. CCP already released the numbers mate, eve now has 274,354 accounts, another 46,000 trial accounts, and a bought 700,000-800,000 accounts. by filters through payment plans they found that only 5% of the player base have more than on account, because most people just play eve and then quit after 3-4 months, which is the normal time for a player to stick to an mmorpg. Plus sorry buddy but those 30,000 people loged into eve a day most stay on for only 4 hours tops, which means 180,000 different accounts log into eve a day on the one server.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Roguehalo Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Eevul Rabbite Originally by: Roguehalo Where to start? Eve is broke on so many levels that it's hard to know where to begin. Let's start with numbers. 10 million people play WOW and 30 thousand people play Eve Over 250,000 people play EVE (take away some alts, add some trials). More if you count the Chinese server. 30k is the usual number of concurrent players online, not subscribers. You failed right at the start. As for the rest, can I have your stuff? actually trials aren't counted :) also the last figure shows that 700,000 accounts have been sold and wow counts all accounts not just active ones. so by wow standards eve has about 700,000 players. but who cares they get 5000 a server we get 40,000 also wow is NOT balanced. Dream on lol you think wow is balanced and has more than 40,000 people on each server. Dream on
Tharukan Desm'ar	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:18:00 - [26] WoW was made to be easier and more mass marketable. EvE is more difficult but more broad in what you can do. Any game has ups and downs in balancing. It happens constantly as games develop. Plus it is a very niche game compared to a lot of MMO's. meaning it will have a high turnover of people realizing this isn't for them and go for more generic grind ladder race. With the people who stay on being steadfast fans. If you don't like it put ideas up in the ideas forum on how to improve the game.
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:22:00 - [27] Edited by: Zinras on 05/07/2008 23:22:53 Originally by: Kobushi I give this Troll 2/10, he actually managed to roll a niche VS generic fantasy(ok THE generic fantasy) MMO, nanowhine, 5k player shard vs 45K persistant universe, EW whine, Caldari whine, web whine, missile whine, recon whine. This. Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend
Kame Malice Minmatar Mitsukashi Holdings Limited	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:25:00 - [28] Stop feeding the troll. if he choses ignorance so be it, we dont have to sink to his level. This is a signature, not some random addition to my reply.
Xorxarle Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:27:00 - [29] Edited by: Xorxarle on 05/07/2008 23:28:56 Originally by: Roguehalo Dream on I know I shouldn't feed the troll but I have to ask. How do you know these figures to be false? Is it pie in the sky wishful thinking? Access to figures that are not released? Were you there when the figures were doctored? Seriously mate your 'dream on' retort has all the makings of someone who just likes to stir up trouble. Regarding your thing about the caldari militia in Tama being useless, most of those 'pirates' are in fact minnie FW players. EDIT: for expansion.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Roguehalo Originally by: Tharukan Desm'ar WoW was made to be easier and more mass marketable. EvE is more difficult but more broad in what you can do. Any game has ups and downs in balancing. It happens constantly as games develop. Plus it is a very niche game compared to a lot of MMO's. meaning it will have a high turnover of people realizing this isn't for them and go for more generic grind ladder race. With the people who stay on being steadfast fans. If you don't like it put ideas up in the ideas forum on how to improve the game. WOW is easier???????? Have you ever even cleared a WOW high end insta? Average Eve pilot wouldnt have a clue when faced with the complex skills involved in playing high end WOW(as evidenced by the problems Caldari Militia is having killing a few pirates in Tama) You are more clueless than I thought. Click me! You know you want to...

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