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Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2008.07.06 14:45:00 - [1] The real problem with nanos imho is not so much that they move so fast and are hard to hit and stuff, but the ease of them disengaging. So maybe this could be fixed by simply not allowing warping with active MWDs? It even makes sense in a way, as you kinda are already (micro)warping. So instead of just hitting warp to something when you notice you bit off more than you can chew, in a nanoship you would now have to turn your MWD off, wait for the current cycle to end, wait for your ship to decelerate to a viable 'enter-warp-velocity' and only then warp to safety, which would give opponents a viable window of opportunity to kill the pesky nano. Allthewhile the zoom zoom stuff that seems to be fun to so many, the ability of ships with very short range to get in close and the speed of travel that to me is the only really good reason to nano up in the first place would remain exactly as they are currently. Now flame away. Make suicide ganking more difficult!
Ctp Hawkeye	Posted - 2008.07.06 15:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Ctp Hawkeye on 06/07/2008 15:22:23 The nano would fly to 400km off the engagment, then slow down and warp, while you were still 350km away from them. Seriosuly, think it thru. -------------------------------------------------- Now accepting ISK for my rattlesnake fund --------------------------------------------------
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba The Requiem	Posted - 2008.07.06 15:53:00 - [3] In what situations would this make a difference exactly? I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:14:00 - [4] No thanks. I would like to get that plated thron into warp before dieing of old age.
Stab Wounds Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.06 16:31:00 - [5] best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast.
Soltueur Gallente Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.06 17:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Stab Wounds best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast. Then everybody would go into remote repped battleships and that would be the new 'grove'. ---------------------------------------- "It is only by fate that any life ends, and only by chance that it is yours... not mine" New vid
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba The Requiem	Posted - 2008.07.06 20:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Stab Wounds best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast. You haven't a clue have you? Originally by: Soltueur Originally by: Stab Wounds best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast. Then everybody would go into remote repped battleships and that would be the new 'grove'. RR BS'es already are extremely pwoerful, and no nanogang can beat them 1:1 unless they bring like 50% falcons. I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.06 20:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Sokratesz RR BS'es already are extremely pwoerful, and no nanogang can beat them 1:1 unless they bring like 50% falcons. STOP GIVING WAY DE SEKRITS!! -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Stab Wounds Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.06 21:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Stab Wounds best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast. You haven't a clue have you? Originally by: Soltueur Originally by: Stab Wounds best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast. Then everybody would go into remote repped battleships and that would be the new 'grove'. RR BS'es already are extremely pwoerful, and no nanogang can beat them 1:1 unless they bring like 50% falcons. i never see these RR BS gangs just large groups of nano***s.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.06 21:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Stab Wounds i never see these RR BS gangs just large groups of nano***s. Get out more. :) -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Oktacon Caldari Exiled. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.06 21:20:00 - [11] Whats so wrong with making it so that MWD gives you its 550% boost and boosts straight line speed. This makes sense because its a warp bubble. Then, the MWD could be really used for things like burning to gates, or getting from point A to point B really quickly Also they could boost Afterburners a good amount, and making THAT the new choice for normalPVP.
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.07.06 21:23:00 - [12] Hypothesis: The only thing wrong with nanos is assault ships. Seriously, think about it, imagine if you couldn't tackle a cruiser with a frigate.
Julius Romanus	Posted - 2008.07.06 21:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Oktacon Whats so wrong with making it so that MWD gives you its 550% boost and boosts straight line speed. This makes sense because its a warp bubble. Then, the MWD could be really used for things like burning to gates, or getting from point A to point B really quickly Also they could boost Afterburners a good amount, and making THAT the new choice for normalPVP. So perhaps in theory an afterburner using ship could over heat and fly perpendicular to the mwd ship and maybe avoid web range? I'd play a lot more in that game. ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.07.06 22:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Gimpb Hypothesis: The only thing wrong with nanos is assault ships. Seriously, think about it, imagine if you couldn't tackle a cruiser with a frigate. This. Nothing wrong with the cruisers, just the frigates that should be used against them cant do their job properly.
Mizear Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.07.06 22:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Oktacon Whats so wrong with making it so that MWD gives you its 550% boost and boosts straight line speed. This makes sense because its a warp bubble. Then, the MWD could be really used for things like burning to gates, or getting from point A to point B really quickly Also they could boost Afterburners a good amount, and making THAT the new choice for normalPVP. This would require a total rewrite of the physics engine in use. Currently everything faster is a lot more manouverable (they tried to get this to work back when they where rethinking missiles, that didn't work out and now we have ended up with silly explosion radius and velocity).
Oktacon Caldari Exiled. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.06 22:31:00 - [16] Why would it need a rewrite of the physics system? Keep the MWD the way it is, and make it so that when the MWD is active, the ship ignores all directional input,
Raging Knight Judgement.	Posted - 2008.07.06 23:11:00 - [17] These 'NERF NANAOSZSZ' suggestions are really getting desperate and really you guys havnt thought them through
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.07.06 23:42:00 - [18] micro WARP DRIVE Warp Disruptor Warp Scrambler see what i'm getting at? Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Word	Posted - 2008.07.07 00:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Raging Knight These 'NERF NANAOSZSZ' suggestions are really getting desperate and really you guys havnt thought them through //signed//
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.07.07 00:33:00 - [20] All of the thought through posts go ignored Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Ezekiel Sulastin Central Research Nexus	Posted - 2008.07.07 00:51:00 - [21] I would like to take my plain, non-nano Thorax and stab people who say that warp scrams and no turning w/ MWD is a good thing in the face repeatedly. Same goes for any blaster-boat. JUST BECAUSE IT MAY CHANGE ONE PART OF THE GAME DOESN'T MEAN EFFECTS WON'T APPEAR ELSEWHERE. ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO
d3vo The Space BorderLine Diabolic Paradox	Posted - 2008.07.07 02:38:00 - [22] this defeats the purpose of mwds/abs FAIL __________ -_-
Pheonix Kanan Caldari D00M.	Posted - 2008.07.07 03:19:00 - [23] To the OP: -----
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.07 05:41:00 - [24] Edited by: Riho on 07/07/2008 05:43:14 Originally by: Stab Wounds best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast. while your add it.. nerf reppers, remote reppers, plates and all sorts of tanking gear.... no ship should tank the other. Originally by: Stab Wounds i never see these RR BS gangs just large groups of nano*s. well.. if you are a carebear mission runner 24/7 who just shot a ibis in faction warfare for the first time.. dont come here telling how pvp should be changed. thats why you havent seen proper RR BS gangs so stfu and go back running missions... really. EDIT: i just noticed the OP has a link to a thread "make suicide ganking harder"..... carebears, stop trying to change PvP plz.... im not trying to change your mission running or mining or trading or manufactoring. ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7** Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Bellum Eternus Gallente D00M.	Posted - 2008.07.07 06:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Sokratesz In what situations would this make a difference exactly? This. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Forge Lag	Posted - 2008.07.07 08:57:00 - [26] The whole issue is that speed is both offense and defense in same stat. And that devs gave up balancing speed long time ago - and opted for on/off crutches. Speed needs some decoupling - think tractor beaming enemy or MWD that only warps towards nearby objects and ships. Also Estamel fit is over the top by design - I mean snakes and polycarbs. Just admit this game does have true epic gear.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse The Requiem	Posted - 2008.07.07 09:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Riho EDIT: i just noticed the OP has a link to a thread "make suicide ganking harder"..... carebears, stop trying to change PvP plz.... im not trying to change your mission running or mining or trading or manufactoring. Enough said right there. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.07 09:34:00 - [28] The game has many powerful ships or powerful combinations of ships that past a number of gang participants using them the game becomes boringly dangerous to their enemies... st Blobing another gang with nano-ships is very effective...a nicely co-ordinated RR BS fleet can work some magic while blobbing enemy fleets with many-many Falcons is frustrating to the level of abuse! It's just that this game has a lot of players willing to sacrifice a lot for a victory - honorable or not: nanoes are the only thing that can help you nothing more than fleeing, cause few options are left when you are blobbed by either a nano-gang, a RR-BS gang or a (agrgrgrrg) multiple falcon supported gang... They key word is blobbing, as ambushing outnumbered players was and will be the most effective tactic of em all, no matter your or their ships. No if we are talking small scale engagnements or 1 vs. 1, it's mentioned in 1000+++ posts that there are numerous tactics and modules for someone to fend off or even kill a nano-ship. It's not like a "i-win" button vs. them, just like no nano-ship has an "i-win" button vs. BSs or something. And above all, no fitting can have it all: if you are in a PvE oriented ship, attacked by a ship fitted especially to kill your kind...live with it...stop hammering screws instead of nails... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.07.07 11:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Leandro Salazar The real problem with nanos imho is not so much that they move so fast and are hard to hit and stuff, but the ease of them disengaging. So maybe this could be fixed by simply not allowing warping with active MWDs? When you get primaried in a fast ship you don't warp out, you burn out of range, your proposal have no use whatsoever. Trying to warp out will often get you killed, and actually get many noob interceptor pilot. Your align time is actually longer with the mwd than without because of the mass increase, making you often slow down during alignment just enough so you get popped by "those missiles that never hit nano ships". -- Coming to you, Assault Ships fix, by the people saying that the Gallente Recons are fine.
NateX The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:19:00 - [30] nano is balanced, nano+implants is not
Reialis	Posted - 2008.07.08 15:12:00 - [31] One 'fix' could be to introduce a deadspace bubble generator similar to interdiction spheres that reduce an MWDs effectiveness/shut it down completely. But if CCP introduce sub-system targetting in can see nanos becoming old news very quickly.
Caffeine Junkie 2 Guys In Motherships	Posted - 2008.07.08 15:38:00 - [32] Why is so hard for people to just fly a Rapier? Nothing special, not big or clever, just 20 fighters and one hell of a tank....
super bomberman	Posted - 2008.07.08 17:15:00 - [33] Originally by: NateX nano is balanced, nano+implants is not NERF SHIELD BOOST AMPS AND CRYSTAL IMPLANTS NERF PLATES AND SLAVE IMPLANTS NERF NEUTS AND TALISMAN IMPLANTS NERF MINING UPGRADES AND THOSE IMPLANTS I CANT REMEMBER THE NAME OF infact what i think is that all implants should be taken out all together maybe all the ships and skills to, just leave 1 ship that everybody can fly with a standard ccp fit that needs no trainning for and is not changable so evreybody has to use the same ship + fitting and perfect 'balance' is brought to the game sounds awsome right?
Horizon Taker Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.07.08 18:03:00 - [34] Originally by: NateX nano is balanced, nano+implants is not Implants can be imba for anything, what about a full rack of cystals on a faction fit raven?
Horizon Taker Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.07.08 18:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Caffeine Junkie Why is so hard for people to just fly a Rapier? Why is it so hard to fit a couple of neuts?
Pheonix Kanan Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:52:00 - [36] Originally by: Horizon Taker Originally by: Caffeine Junkie Why is so hard for people to just fly a Rapier? Why is it so hard to fit a couple of neuts? Eve Players don't want to think, they want CCP to do the work for them so they can continue to live in a circle of ignorance and stupidity. -----
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.07.09 13:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Pheonix Kanan Originally by: Horizon Taker Originally by: Caffeine Junkie Why is so hard for people to just fly a Rapier? Why is it so hard to fit a couple of neuts? Eve Players don't want to think, they want CCP to do the work for them so they can continue to live in a circle of ignorance and stupidity. Ding Ding. .What he said^^
Yohanes Flame Burning Sky Labs	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:41:00 - [38] Fit a Huggin/Rapier in Fleet 2 slot. ____________________________ Point Zero Corp
Pax Empyrean	Posted - 2008.07.09 19:37:00 - [39] Saying "fly a Rapier" isn't showing any more thought than someone who doesn't want to fly one. When there is only one specific ship that gives you a chance of killing a nanoship that wants to get away, it's not rocket science that you should be using that ship. Whether or not this is a desirable situation is what these "mindless" people are complaining about. I don't think the OP's suggestion is very good, but something ought to be done about the necessity of MWD use in combat. I think MWDs in general are too good; the module that allows you to pick your fights shouldn't be the same module that most effectively allows you to avoid enemy fire. It seems to me that afterburners should be better for maneuvering around and making yourself hard to hit, and MWDs should be better for getting in and out of combat. They'd both be useful that way and you'd fit your ship according to what you wanted to do with it, but right now MWD are better at everything and afterburners just suck. I think that ought to be addressed before nanos specifically start getting messed with. I'd suggest increasing the sig radius penalty of MWDs and increasing the speed bonus that afterburners give. I couldn't even begin to give an informed opinion on what numbers would be balanced, but that's the sort of change I would like to see.

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