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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.07.06 14:45:00 -
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The real problem with nanos imho is not so much that they move so fast and are hard to hit and stuff, but the ease of them disengaging. So maybe this could be fixed by simply not allowing warping with active MWDs? It even makes sense in a way, as you kinda are already (micro)warping. So instead of just hitting warp to something when you notice you bit off more than you can chew, in a nanoship you would now have to turn your MWD off, wait for the current cycle to end, wait for your ship to decelerate to a viable 'enter-warp-velocity' and only then warp to safety, which would give opponents a viable window of opportunity to kill the pesky nano. Allthewhile the zoom zoom stuff that seems to be fun to so many, the ability of ships with very short range to get in close and the speed of travel that to me is the only really good reason to nano up in the first place would remain exactly as they are currently.
Now flame away.
Make suicide ganking more difficult!
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Ctp Hawkeye
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ctp Hawkeye on 06/07/2008 15:22:23
The nano would fly to 400km off the engagment, then slow down and warp, while you were still 350km away from them.
Seriosuly, think it thru.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:53:00 -
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In what situations would this make a difference exactly?
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.06 16:14:00 -
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No thanks. I would like to get that plated thron into warp before dieing of old age.
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Stab Wounds
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.06 16:31:00 -
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best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast.
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Soltueur
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.07.06 17:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Stab Wounds
best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast.
Then everybody would go into remote repped battleships and that would be the new 'grove'.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.06 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds
best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast.
You haven't a clue have you?
Originally by: Soltueur
Originally by: Stab Wounds
best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast.
Then everybody would go into remote repped battleships and that would be the new 'grove'.
RR BS'es already are extremely pwoerful, and no nanogang can beat them 1:1 unless they bring like 50% falcons.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.06 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
RR BS'es already are extremely pwoerful, and no nanogang can beat them 1:1 unless they bring like 50% falcons.
STOP GIVING WAY DE SEKRITS!!
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Stab Wounds
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.06 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Stab Wounds
best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast.
You haven't a clue have you?
Originally by: Soltueur
Originally by: Stab Wounds
best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast.
Then everybody would go into remote repped battleships and that would be the new 'grove'.
RR BS'es already are extremely pwoerful, and no nanogang can beat them 1:1 unless they bring like 50% falcons.
i never see these RR BS gangs just large groups of nano***s.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.06 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds
i never see these RR BS gangs just large groups of nano***s.
Get out more. :)
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Oktacon
Caldari
Exiled.
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.06 21:20:00 -
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Whats so wrong with making it so that MWD gives you its 550% boost and boosts straight line speed. This makes sense because its a warp bubble. Then, the MWD could be really used for things like burning to gates, or getting from point A to point B really quickly
Also they could boost Afterburners a good amount, and making THAT the new choice for normalPVP.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.07.06 21:23:00 -
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Hypothesis:
The only thing wrong with nanos is assault ships.
Seriously, think about it, imagine if you couldn't tackle a cruiser with a frigate.
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Julius Romanus
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Posted - 2008.07.06 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Oktacon
Whats so wrong with making it so that MWD gives you its 550% boost and boosts straight line speed. This makes sense because its a warp bubble. Then, the MWD could be really used for things like burning to gates, or getting from point A to point B really quickly
Also they could boost Afterburners a good amount, and making THAT the new choice for normalPVP.
So perhaps in theory an afterburner using ship could over heat and fly perpendicular to the mwd ship and maybe avoid web range?
I'd play a lot more in that game.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.07.06 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gimpb
Hypothesis:
The only thing wrong with nanos is assault ships.
Seriously, think about it, imagine if you couldn't tackle a cruiser with a frigate.
This. Nothing wrong with the cruisers, just the frigates that should be used against them cant do their job properly.
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Mizear
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.07.06 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Oktacon
Whats so wrong with making it so that MWD gives you its 550% boost and boosts straight line speed. This makes sense because its a warp bubble. Then, the MWD could be really used for things like burning to gates, or getting from point A to point B really quickly
Also they could boost Afterburners a good amount, and making THAT the new choice for normalPVP.
This would require a total rewrite of the physics engine in use.
Currently everything faster is a lot more manouverable (they tried to get this to work back when they where rethinking missiles, that didn't work out and now we have ended up with silly explosion radius and velocity).
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Oktacon
Caldari
Exiled.
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.06 22:31:00 -
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Why would it need a rewrite of the physics system? Keep the MWD the way it is, and make it so that
when the MWD is active, the ship ignores all directional input,
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Raging Knight
Judgement.
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Posted - 2008.07.06 23:11:00 -
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These 'NERF NANAOSZSZ' suggestions are really getting desperate and really you guys havnt thought them through 
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.06 23:42:00 -
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micro WARP DRIVE
Warp Disruptor
Warp Scrambler
see what i'm getting at?
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Word
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Posted - 2008.07.07 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Raging Knight
These 'NERF NANAOSZSZ' suggestions are really getting desperate and really you guys havnt thought them through
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.07 00:33:00 -
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All of the thought through posts go ignored 
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Pilgrim Guide
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.07.07 00:51:00 -
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I would like to take my plain, non-nano Thorax and stab people who say that warp scrams and no turning w/ MWD is a good thing in the face repeatedly. Same goes for any blaster-boat.
JUST BECAUSE IT MAY CHANGE ONE PART OF THE GAME DOESN'T MEAN EFFECTS WON'T APPEAR ELSEWHERE.
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d3vo
The Space BorderLine
Diabolic Paradox
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Posted - 2008.07.07 02:38:00 -
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this defeats the purpose of mwds/abs
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Pheonix Kanan
Caldari
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 03:19:00 -
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To the OP:
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.07 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 07/07/2008 05:43:14
Originally by: Stab Wounds
best nano fix would be to put a speed cap on ships or remove polycarbons, inertia stabilizers, nanofibers and snake implants. game would be balanced then just can't go as fast.
while your add it.. nerf reppers, remote reppers, plates and all sorts of tanking gear.... no ship should tank the other.
Originally by: Stab Wounds
i never see these RR BS gangs just large groups of nano***s.
well.. if you are a carebear mission runner 24/7 who just shot a ibis in faction warfare for the first time.. dont come here telling how pvp should be changed. thats why you havent seen proper RR BS gangs
so stfu and go back running missions... really.
EDIT: i just noticed the OP has a link to a thread "make suicide ganking harder"..... carebears, stop trying to change PvP plz.... im not trying to change your mission running or mining or trading or manufactoring.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
In what situations would this make a difference exactly?
This.
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Forge Lag
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Posted - 2008.07.07 08:57:00 -
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The whole issue is that speed is both offense and defense in same stat. And that devs gave up balancing speed long time ago - and opted for on/off crutches.
Speed needs some decoupling - think tractor beaming enemy or MWD that only warps towards nearby objects and ships.
Also Estamel fit is over the top by design - I mean snakes and polycarbs. Just admit this game does have true epic gear.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
EDIT: i just noticed the OP has a link to a thread "make suicide ganking harder"..... carebears, stop trying to change PvP plz.... im not trying to change your mission running or mining or trading or manufactoring.
Enough said right there.
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Diomidis
Amarr
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:34:00 -
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The game has many powerful ships or powerful combinations of ships that past a number of gang participants using them the game becomes boringly dangerous to their enemies...
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Blobing another gang with nano-ships is very effective...a nicely co-ordinated RR BS fleet can work some magic while blobbing enemy fleets with many-many Falcons is frustrating to the level of abuse! 
It's just that this game has a lot of players willing to sacrifice a lot for a victory - honorable or not: nanoes are the only thing that can help you nothing more than fleeing, cause few options are left when you are blobbed by either a nano-gang, a RR-BS gang or a (agrgrgrrg) multiple falcon supported gang...
They key word is blobbing, as ambushing outnumbered players was and will be the most effective tactic of em all, no matter your or their ships.
No if we are talking small scale engagnements or 1 vs. 1, it's mentioned in 1000+++ posts that there are numerous tactics and modules for someone to fend off or even kill a nano-ship. It's not like a "i-win" button vs. them, just like no nano-ship has an "i-win" button vs. BSs or something. And above all, no fitting can have it all: if you are in a PvE oriented ship, attacked by a ship fitted especially to kill your kind...live with it...stop hammering screws instead of nails...
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
The real problem with nanos imho is not so much that they move so fast and are hard to hit and stuff, but the ease of them disengaging. So maybe this could be fixed by simply not allowing warping with active MWDs?
When you get primaried in a fast ship you don't warp out, you burn out of range, your proposal have no use whatsoever.
Trying to warp out will often get you killed, and actually get many noob interceptor pilot. Your align time is actually longer with the mwd than without because of the mass increase, making you often slow down during alignment just enough so you get popped by "those missiles that never hit nano ships".
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NateX
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:19:00 -
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nano is balanced, nano+implants is not
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