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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:47:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where having your personal cruise missile in your garden wont put you in trouble, but showing your boobs on the beach will send your ass in jail!
fixed for truth
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:52:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Jas Dor on 08/07/2008 17:52:13
For the statute in question http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1030.html
Quote:
(2) intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtainsù
(A) information contained in a financial record of a financial institution, or of a card issuer as defined in section 1602 (n) of title 15, or contained in a file of a consumer reporting agency on a consumer, as such terms are defined in the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. 1681 et seq.);
(B) information from any department or agency of the United States; or
(C) information from any protected computer if the conduct involved an interstate or foreign communication;
CCP might want to take a look at their terms of service. Might be some way to word the games TOS to include acts on third party websites so as to make spying explicitly part of the game.
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:00:00 -
[33]
Regardless of how important the issue is to (American) net community, and how many important background points the OP chose to omit from his abstract: Wrong forum.
-Lasse
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:14:00 -
[34]
omeega sucks
C.E.O.
Go Hard, or go Home.
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Maus Bailey
International House of PWNCakes
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:19:00 -
[35]
Meh.
Now if it had been jihadi swarm character names being added to the 'no fly list' that at least would have been funny and/or interesting. |
Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:23:00 -
[36]
What was not said in either of those articles is that this is the same case that resulted in a young girl committing suicide after believing what was said on the page.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24652422/
If you use the internet to cause real world harm, yes it is a crime, as it should be. I would imagine it would be in the UK, Australia and Canada as well, the UK especially due to stringent defamation of character laws. On the civil side, I would expect the UK to actually have stronger laws than the US. I don't know about the rest of Europe or Russia.
Why do you all hate America anyway. You are just jealous of their freedom right?
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:24:00 -
[37]
Should probably be in General Discussion or Out of Pod
That said, yes you could argue that USA law prohibits such attacks. However the computer hosting said site would most likely have to be within the confines of the United States or her territories.
Furthermore you would have to establish that you suffered a quantitative loss in regards to the hacking. This is difficult to prove when a site's sole purpose is for a gathering place for a game. It probably would be hard to meet this requirement.
To Jas Dor, EVE's TOS and the EULA cannot make legal what is illegal. That's why so many EULA are thrown out not only in US Court but EU courts as well.
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E Vile
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:25:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
WTF kinda raciest statement is this.
Not sure what garbage your reading to form this opinion, but I ask you to pull your head out of your own arse.
In Your country they shoot millions of THEIR OWN people in times of war. So I wouldn't throw stones when living in a red glass house.
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:28:00 -
[39]
Originally by: E Vile
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
WTF kinda raciest statement is this.
Not sure what garbage your reading to form this opinion, but I ask you to pull your head out of your own arse.
In Your country they shoot millions of THEIR OWN people in times of war. So I wouldn't throw stones when living in a red glass house.
Omeega is Chechen so cut him some slack. Also, read the above post I made, this whole thread is based on stupidity and people who don't know what they are talking about.
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:30:00 -
[40]
America 
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Harley Dare
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:34:00 -
[41]
The rest of the world
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:35:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Moon Kitten
America
You hate freedom, I can tell.
Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation |
Kalmanaka
Caldari
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:42:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Moon Kitten
America
You hate freedom, I can tell.
No, goons love freedom. They just confuse "freedom" with "free from the consequences of your actions" too often.
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E Vile
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:46:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Moon Kitten
America
You hate freedom, I can tell.
Personally I think citizens everywhere are fools for letting the propaganda puppet masters keep us seperate in our Countries hating other races, Countries and cultures. It's designed to keep people seperate and controlled under the disguise of patriotism.
I'll be the first to admit my Government is hyjacked by criminals, but so is everyone elses. A few rich white guys around the world control the many debt slaves we are.
Now back to our regular schedualed programming
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:46:00 -
[45]
So the U.S. is going to start punishing people for using fake information to get access to worthless websites.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah. No, seriously, good luck with that. I cant wait for more tax payer money to be wasted.
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:49:00 -
[46]
Since this thread is still going, can we talk about Ron Paul?
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maarud
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:49:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Omeega
Holy shit
Dev spotted, someone by passed the word filter!
Maarud. 
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E Vile
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:51:00 -
[48]
Edited by: E Vile on 08/07/2008 18:52:54
Originally by: Yorda
Edited by: Yorda on 08/07/2008 18:47:27
So the U.S. is going to start punishing people for using fake information to get access to worthless websites.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah. No, seriously, good luck with that. I cant wait for more tax payer money to be wasted.
P.S. Omeega just trolled the shit out of all of you.
That's just the start. Wait till they call you a internet terrorist.
ad to Astasia Cheers to Ron Paul. He is waking up millions. Campaignforliberty.com
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:52:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/07/2008 18:55:08
Originally by: lilrascal sinq
Originally by: Haradgrim
And my point is that as citizens of the world, it is our duty to point out the flaws and inadequecies of all justice systems in the hope that one day true justice may prevail..... remind me again why the US would not commit to joining the U.N.'s International Criminal Court?
Citizens of the world? Come on now, that is stretching it a little far IMO. Altruism FTW.
I agree its altruistic, but what else do you call the people belonging to the member nations of the U.N.?
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Haradgrim
Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/07/2008 16:51:52
Originally by: Rehmes
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Laws are man-made so they are not perfect in nature. The U.S. may have some very idiotic laws, but before you go spewing nonsense about things you don't understand do try and look at your own country's amazing justice system.
While I wouldn't be using Russia as an example of justice being done, the US certainly doesn't have much integrity in that regard considering the politcal nature of their highest court (which has supreme authority over everything in the country).
When a democratic president appoints a judge that is anti-roe v. wade or a republican appoints one that's pro, I'll shut up, but until then; the only thing America can say is that it's good at hiding the biased nature of its justice system (how does a registered democrat feel about having a case tried by judge who was elected as a republican representitive?)
Not to nitpick, but I think David Souter and probably Anthony Kennedy are both judges who have upheld Roe vs Wade despite being appointed by the Old Bush and Reagan respectively. And former Justice Sandra Day O'Conner was also appointed by Reagan and I think she supported Roe vs Wade as well.
Actually I have to admit that I spaced and thought Clinton had appointed O'Conner, but nonetheless I was talking about contemporary and future apointements (if you read what I wrote), and my point still stands: those judges may have been part of "pro" or "anti" decisions (there was a time or NY times article recently where supreme court justices admitted to 'politicking' on the bench) but in terms of their views (which they openly state during the confirmation process) given the current political climate; it is unlikely you will see a suprising appointment regardless of who wins the upcoming election.
And if you think that John Roberts was appointed as a pro-Roe v. Wade judge then Yes I'll shut up because the discussion would be lost on the ignorant.....
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Gaylord Demian
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:55:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Gaylord Demian on 08/07/2008 18:56:58
Originally by: E Vile
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
stuff
WTF kinda raciest statement is this.
Not sure what garbage your reading to form this opinion, but I ask you to pull your head out of your own arse.
<b>In Your country they shoot millions of THEIR OWN people in times of war.</b> So I wouldn't throw stones when living in a red glass house.
In your coutry you are openly practising acts of torture, you shoot Millions of civilians in other countrys in time of war/peace/peace keeping. Oh and many many Blues too.
America is listed as one of the worst human rights offenders in the world, The Greed of the American finacial moguls have driven the world to a recession and (if your a american) Its <b>Your</b> fault for allowing Bush too stay in power.
But regardless of that, I fear the monster the USA is turning into and its quasi facist supporters that jump on anyone who makes negative comments about it.
I just pray that Obama saves you/me before some eastern nutcase decides they have had enough of you guys and starts WW3.
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Damon Blood
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:55:00 -
[51]
I play eve to forget RL, can we get back to cheast beating and trolling about internet spaceships please? kthnxs
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IronGoldenEagle
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:56:00 -
[52]
According to FoxNews we are about to go to war with Russia over that missile treaty. Well RA it was nice knowing ya! Can I have yalls stuff?
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:01:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Yorda
Edited by: Yorda on 08/07/2008 18:47:27
So the U.S. is going to start punishing people for using fake information to get access to worthless websites.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah. No, seriously, good luck with that. I cant wait for more tax payer money to be wasted.
P.S. Omeega just trolled the shit out of all of you.
Read the whole thread before you post. I already posted that this spoofing incident ended in the suicide of a young girl who was devastated by what she saw. Thats what this case is about, its not just about internet flame wars, its about RL harm.
P.S. You just trolled the shit out of yourself.
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Death4free
Caldari
Privateers
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:04:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kalmanaka
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Moon Kitten
America
You hate freedom, I can tell.
No, goons love freedom. They just confuse "freedom" with "free from the consequences of your actions" too often.
free to do what exactly....sit on ur arses and get fat?
Eve information kiosk
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:08:00 -
[55]
Originally by: El'Niaga
Should probably be in General Discussion or Out of Pod
That said, yes you could argue that USA law prohibits such attacks. However the computer hosting said site would most likely have to be within the confines of the United States or her territories.
Furthermore you would have to establish that you suffered a quantitative loss in regards to the hacking. This is difficult to prove when a site's sole purpose is for a gathering place for a game. It probably would be hard to meet this requirement.
To Jas Dor, EVE's TOS and the EULA cannot make legal what is illegal. That's why so many EULA are thrown out not only in US Court but EU courts as well.
Quote:
(A) except as provided in subparagraph (B), a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in the case of an offense under subsection (a)(2), (a)(3), (a)(5)(A)(iii), or (a)(6) of this section which does not occur after a conviction for another offense under this section, or an attempt to commit an offense punishable under this subparagraph;
(B) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or both, in the case of an offense under subsection (a)(2), or an attempt to commit an offense punishable under this subparagraph, ifù
(i) the offense was committed for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;
(ii) the offense was committed in furtherance of any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State; or
(iii) the value of the information obtained exceeds $5,000; and
(C) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than ten years, or both, in the case of an offense under subsection (a)(2), (a)(3) or (a)(6) of this section which occurs after a conviction for another offense under this section, or an attempt to commit an offense punishable under this subparagraph;
So it's still a crime if there isn't a monetary loss, you just do one year not ten.
Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU! |
Epofhis
The Singularity Amalgamation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:11:00 -
[56]
Internet spaceships ftw.
Myspace ftl.
Just thought I'd get that in here before this thread gets locked.
there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!! |
E Vile
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:12:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Gaylord Demian
Edited by: Gaylord Demian on 08/07/2008 18:56:58
Originally by: E Vile
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
stuff
WTF kinda raciest statement is this.
Not sure what garbage your reading to form this opinion, but I ask you to pull your head out of your own arse.
<b>In Your country they shoot millions of THEIR OWN people in times of war.</b> So I wouldn't throw stones when living in a red glass house.
In your coutry you are openly practising acts of torture, you shoot Millions of civilians in other countrys in time of war/peace/peace keeping. Oh and many many Blues too.
America is listed as one of the worst human rights offenders in the world, The Greed of the American finacial moguls have driven the world to a recession and (if your a american) Its <b>Your</b> fault for allowing Bush too stay in power.
But regardless of that, I fear the monster the USA is turning into and its quasi facist supporters that jump on anyone who makes negative comments about it.
I just pray that Obama saves you/me before some eastern nutcase decides they have had enough of you guys and starts WW3.
I agree America is moving into facism with the criminals who have our country hyjacked, but
Obama is far from any answer. He is Bush AND Cheneys COUSIN. He is just a pretty puppet of the CFR and Rockafeller criminal regime that will continue down the path of constant war for profit, and erode the rest of what's left of our Constitution.
We however have MILLIONS waking up to what Ron Paul and his movement have been teaching. The return to our Constitution.
I am willing to bet in just about all of your Countries there is a Ron Paul meetup group. Freedom is becoming popular. Anyone who has not heard Paul speak, really should listen to what he has to say.
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