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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:01:00 -
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A lot of this article is irrelevant to EvE http://www.secureworks.com/research/falsepositive.php with more discussion here Linkagehttp://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/07/07/1824228.shtml. The high points though somebody is being prosecuted in US Federal Court for using a fake identity to get access to a non-financial website (in this case a fake Myspace profile). Old story bad facts make for bad law but if you're running a major corp or an alliance you're going to want to follow this (as the eventual outcome might include the question, is spying on somebodies EvE forum a violation of federal law).
Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU! |
Helen
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:08:00 -
[2]
lolmerica
also ibtl
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Omeega
UA Industry
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:10:00 -
[3]
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Omeega
UA Industry
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:12:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Helen
lolmerica
Holy shit
I was writing my post and didn't see yours, that's pretty good actualy, convo me ingame so I can save your gaming experience.
(Good luck with that I forgot my account password!)
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:15:00 -
[5]
You are broadcasting an ip address.
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Boom ChickaBoom
Caldari
Friendly Pod Poppers
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:18:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Your an idiot. Calling and african american a Ni**er will get you jail time let alone shooting one.
Lets point out some fine laws from the econimic power house mother russia
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Gilmoore
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:19:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
ITT people make stupid remarks.
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touchvill
The Pikey Rebellion II
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:20:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Gilmoore
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
ITT people make stupid remarks.
ITT sensitive americans!
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Rehmes
Minmatar
RillaCorp
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:27:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Laws are man-made so they are not perfect in nature. The U.S. may have some very idiotic laws, but before you go spewing nonsense about things you don't understand do try and look at your own country's amazing justice system.
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:30:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Rehmes
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Laws are man-made so they are not perfect in nature. The U.S. may have some very idiotic laws, but before you go spewing nonsense about things you don't understand do try and look at your own country's amazing justice system.
More sensitive americans.
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Rehmes
Minmatar
RillaCorp
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:36:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Nick Curso
Originally by: Rehmes
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Laws are man-made so they are not perfect in nature. The U.S. may have some very idiotic laws, but before you go spewing nonsense about things you don't understand do try and look at your own country's amazing justice system.
More sensitive americans.
I do live in the U.S. but i am not a citizen. I am Cuban. TBH its not a matter of sensitivity but more of an issue with people making comments based on ignorance. While Americans tend to be the 1st ones to make ignorant comments about just everything beyond their borders it doesn't make it better for anyone else to do so as well.
I try to take an impartial view no matter what the situation. Either case this thread is soon-if it hasn't already-going to turn into a nationalist chest beating fest which I don't plan to be part of.
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Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:43:00 -
[12]
Edited by: Straight Chillen on 08/07/2008 16:44:20
i think you guys are missing KEY elements of this story. This case isnt simply about using false identification. This woman iirc, set up a false account in some one elses name whom, she had a personal vendetta against. She used pictures of the victim and posted all kinds of slanderous things.
This has to do with fraud and slander. Signing up for someone internets spaceship forum does not entail the same thing as making a fake myspace page for you neighbor, filling it out with her info and pictures, and saying she likes group sex and BDSM or some crazy shit.
Also, part of the Terms & Agreements for signing up a myspace profile, specifically says that fraudulent use will be prosecuted. If you put something like this in a clause in the T&A for your forums, then you would have a way to legally prosecute some one for spying. Highly doubt it would be worth even pursuing tho, Cuz really youd just look like a jack ass on CNN
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:44:00 -
[13]
ITT a Russian tries to opine on the rule of law?
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:46:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Rehmes
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Laws are man-made so they are not perfect in nature. The U.S. may have some very idiotic laws, but before you go spewing nonsense about things you don't understand do try and look at your own country's amazing justice system.
While I wouldn't be using Russia as an example of justice being done, the US certainly doesn't have much integrity in that regard considering the politcal nature of their highest court (which has supreme authority over everything in the country).
When a democratic president appoints a judge anit-roe v. wade or a republican appoints one that's pro, I'll shut up, but until then; the only thing America can say is that it's good at hiding the biased nature of its justice system (how does a registered democrat feel about having a case tried by judge who was elected as a republican representitive?)
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Rajere
No Trademark
The OSS
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:47:00 -
[15]
You cannot commit libel against an e-thugging internets persona/spaceship avatar. So hacking someone's forum and posing as that character has no relevance to hacking someone's myspace and posing as that person.
NOTR
How to Fail at Eve
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:51:00 -
[16]
Is this all cos of that woman who metagamed a girl into suicide by posing as an eboyfriend and telling her she was fat or something?
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Rehmes
Minmatar
RillaCorp
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:54:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Haradgrim
Originally by: Rehmes
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Laws are man-made so they are not perfect in nature. The U.S. may have some very idiotic laws, but before you go spewing nonsense about things you don't understand do try and look at your own country's amazing justice system.
While I wouldn't be using Russia as an example of justice being done, the US certainly doesn't have much integrity in that regard considering the politcal nature of their highest court (which has supreme authority over everything in the country).
When a democratic president appoints a judge anit-roe v. wade or a republican appoints one that's pro, I'll shut up, but until then; the only thing America can say is that it's good at hiding the biased nature of its justice system (how does a registered democrat feel about having a case tried by judge who was elected as a republican representitive?)
Believe me i know, I study Law for a living. The U.S. is by no means the best example for the perfect Justice system. What i was merely pointing out was that before one goes out of their way to bash a foreign country's Justice system make sure you know more of your own and hope it is in any way more fair.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:57:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Rajere
You cannot commit libel against an e-thugging internets persona/spaceship avatar. So hacking someone's forum and posing as that character has no relevance to hacking someone's myspace and posing as that person.
So if someone were to start a web-page that earned revenue via advertising and relied on their character's in-game reputation in order for people to trust their service (and thus provide them with the traffic needed for advertising revenue), it wouldn't be libel if someone somehow impersonated them for the purpose of assasinating their reputation and by doing so cause irreprible harm to their business?
I'm not saying it would, but its probably enough to land the person who committed the offense in a civil court if not a criminal one. 
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Lorna Loot
Caldari
Nox Eternus
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:58:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Your an idiot. Calling and african american a Ni**er will get you jail time let alone shooting one.
Lets point out some fine laws from the econimic power house mother russia
Wrong, they would shoot you before you get to jail.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.08 16:59:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Rehmes
Originally by: Haradgrim
Originally by: Rehmes
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Laws are man-made so they are not perfect in nature. The U.S. may have some very idiotic laws, but before you go spewing nonsense about things you don't understand do try and look at your own country's amazing justice system.
While I wouldn't be using Russia as an example of justice being done, the US certainly doesn't have much integrity in that regard considering the politcal nature of their highest court (which has supreme authority over everything in the country).
When a democratic president appoints a judge anit-roe v. wade or a republican appoints one that's pro, I'll shut up, but until then; the only thing America can say is that it's good at hiding the biased nature of its justice system (how does a registered democrat feel about having a case tried by judge who was elected as a republican representitive?)
Believe me i know, I study Law for a living. The U.S. is by no means the best example for the perfect Justice system. What i was merely pointing out was that before one goes out of their way to bash a foreign country's Justice system make sure you know more of your own and hope it is in any way more fair.
And my point is that as citizens of the world, it is our duty to point out the flaws and inadequecies of all justice systems in the hope that one day true justice may prevail..... remind me again why the US would not commit to joining the U.N.'s International Criminal Court?
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Derilus
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:04:00 -
[21]
200+ year old real democratic government ftw!!!
cheer on chaps...
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Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:05:00 -
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After a search i found a little more detail. This woman Lori, The defendant, Fradulently signed up a myspace account with the intent to cause emotional harm to the victim (megan). She incited many vulger lies about this young girl. And eventually it go to the point where Lori posted "The World Would be a better place with out you"
After that message the girl Hung her self.
I think ALL of you are missing the bigger point.
This isnt about bull shit government laws, This is about some 46 year old ***** who felt it was neccessary to drive a 13 year old girl to Suicide, for her own twisted pleasure
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/05/16/1210765091402.html
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
Evolving Paradigms
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:05:00 -
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(how does a registered democrat feel about having a case tried by judge who was elected as a republican representitive?)
Seriously? Never.
As someone who's spent a good time in court as a defendant in my past, I can promise you this NEVER crossed my mind. Things that DID cross my mind were: Is he a jerk by nature? Is he in a bad mood? Is my lawyer and idiot? Is my lawyer in a good mood? How much of a ***** is this PA? How many of the people in this room are deciding the fate of my future, and are total idiots?
Their political affiliations rarely are taken into account at any time other than the Supreme Court. But thats a moot point, as most laws are originally made by...hold on, this is the amazing part: Democrats and Republicans.
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lilrascal sinq
Dirty Denizens
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:06:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Haradgrim
And my point is that as citizens of the world, it is our duty to point out the flaws and inadequecies of all justice systems in the hope that one day true justice may prevail..... remind me again why the US would not commit to joining the U.N.'s International Criminal Court?
Citizens of the world? Come on now, that is stretching it a little far IMO. Altruism FTW.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:07:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Haradgrim
Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/07/2008 16:51:52
Originally by: Rehmes
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Laws are man-made so they are not perfect in nature. The U.S. may have some very idiotic laws, but before you go spewing nonsense about things you don't understand do try and look at your own country's amazing justice system.
While I wouldn't be using Russia as an example of justice being done, the US certainly doesn't have much integrity in that regard considering the politcal nature of their highest court (which has supreme authority over everything in the country).
When a democratic president appoints a judge that is anti-roe v. wade or a republican appoints one that's pro, I'll shut up, but until then; the only thing America can say is that it's good at hiding the biased nature of its justice system (how does a registered democrat feel about having a case tried by judge who was elected as a republican representitive?)
Not to nitpick, but I think David Souter and probably Anthony Kennedy are both judges who have upheld Roe vs Wade despite being appointed by the Old Bush and Reagan respectively. And former Justice Sandra Day O'Conner was also appointed by Reagan and I think she supported Roe vs Wade as well.
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Kalmanaka
Caldari
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kalmanaka on 08/07/2008 17:09:41
FUD ftl.
For a very long time it has been a crime to use a false identity for the purpose of committing a crime. The OP would have you believe that this could effect everyone in Eve which is simply not true. The purpose of your fake identity would have to be to commit a crime, and no pirating does not count.
If you create a fake identity for the purpose of playing a game, and then LATER commit a crime with it, this does not apply to you either.
This is what happens when you blindly believe the crap you read on the internet. OP is full of FAIL.
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Viqtoria
Caldari
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:17:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
russian human rights.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:18:00 -
[28]
so which goonie is going to take one for the team and blame it on bob?
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Harley Dare
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:20:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Haradgrim
Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/07/2008 16:51:52
Originally by: Rehmes
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Laws are man-made so they are not perfect in nature. The U.S. may have some very idiotic laws, but before you go spewing nonsense about things you don't understand do try and look at your own country's amazing justice system.
While I wouldn't be using Russia as an example of justice being done, the US certainly doesn't have much integrity in that regard considering the politcal nature of their highest court (which has supreme authority over everything in the country).
When a democratic president appoints a judge that is anti-roe v. wade or a republican appoints one that's pro, I'll shut up, but until then; the only thing America can say is that it's good at hiding the biased nature of its justice system (how does a registered democrat feel about having a case tried by judge who was elected as a republican representitive?)
Not to nitpick, but I think David Souter and probably Anthony Kennedy are both judges who have upheld Roe vs Wade despite being appointed by the Old Bush and Reagan respectively. And former Justice Sandra Day O'Conner was also appointed by Reagan and I think she supported Roe vs Wade as well.
And another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Roberts and that one from Georgie Jr. himself. Your silence is appreciated Haradgrim ;).
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Jordan Musgrat
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:24:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
ok I'll admit, this was good. Put a smile on my face.
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:47:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where having your personal cruise missile in your garden wont put you in trouble, but showing your boobs on the beach will send your ass in jail!
fixed for truth
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:52:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Jas Dor on 08/07/2008 17:52:13
For the statute in question http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1030.html
Quote:
(2) intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtainsù
(A) information contained in a financial record of a financial institution, or of a card issuer as defined in section 1602 (n) of title 15, or contained in a file of a consumer reporting agency on a consumer, as such terms are defined in the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. 1681 et seq.);
(B) information from any department or agency of the United States; or
(C) information from any protected computer if the conduct involved an interstate or foreign communication;
CCP might want to take a look at their terms of service. Might be some way to word the games TOS to include acts on third party websites so as to make spying explicitly part of the game.
Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU! |
Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:00:00 -
[33]
Regardless of how important the issue is to (American) net community, and how many important background points the OP chose to omit from his abstract: Wrong forum.
-Lasse
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:14:00 -
[34]
omeega sucks
C.E.O.
Go Hard, or go Home.
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Maus Bailey
International House of PWNCakes
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:19:00 -
[35]
Meh.
Now if it had been jihadi swarm character names being added to the 'no fly list' that at least would have been funny and/or interesting. |
Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:23:00 -
[36]
What was not said in either of those articles is that this is the same case that resulted in a young girl committing suicide after believing what was said on the page.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24652422/
If you use the internet to cause real world harm, yes it is a crime, as it should be. I would imagine it would be in the UK, Australia and Canada as well, the UK especially due to stringent defamation of character laws. On the civil side, I would expect the UK to actually have stronger laws than the US. I don't know about the rest of Europe or Russia.
Why do you all hate America anyway. You are just jealous of their freedom right?
Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation |
El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:24:00 -
[37]
Should probably be in General Discussion or Out of Pod
That said, yes you could argue that USA law prohibits such attacks. However the computer hosting said site would most likely have to be within the confines of the United States or her territories.
Furthermore you would have to establish that you suffered a quantitative loss in regards to the hacking. This is difficult to prove when a site's sole purpose is for a gathering place for a game. It probably would be hard to meet this requirement.
To Jas Dor, EVE's TOS and the EULA cannot make legal what is illegal. That's why so many EULA are thrown out not only in US Court but EU courts as well.
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E Vile
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:25:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
WTF kinda raciest statement is this.
Not sure what garbage your reading to form this opinion, but I ask you to pull your head out of your own arse.
In Your country they shoot millions of THEIR OWN people in times of war. So I wouldn't throw stones when living in a red glass house.
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:28:00 -
[39]
Originally by: E Vile
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
WTF kinda raciest statement is this.
Not sure what garbage your reading to form this opinion, but I ask you to pull your head out of your own arse.
In Your country they shoot millions of THEIR OWN people in times of war. So I wouldn't throw stones when living in a red glass house.
Omeega is Chechen so cut him some slack. Also, read the above post I made, this whole thread is based on stupidity and people who don't know what they are talking about.
Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation |
Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:30:00 -
[40]
America 
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Harley Dare
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:34:00 -
[41]
The rest of the world
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:35:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Moon Kitten
America
You hate freedom, I can tell.
Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation |
Kalmanaka
Caldari
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:42:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Moon Kitten
America
You hate freedom, I can tell.
No, goons love freedom. They just confuse "freedom" with "free from the consequences of your actions" too often.
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E Vile
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:46:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Moon Kitten
America
You hate freedom, I can tell.
Personally I think citizens everywhere are fools for letting the propaganda puppet masters keep us seperate in our Countries hating other races, Countries and cultures. It's designed to keep people seperate and controlled under the disguise of patriotism.
I'll be the first to admit my Government is hyjacked by criminals, but so is everyone elses. A few rich white guys around the world control the many debt slaves we are.
Now back to our regular schedualed programming
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:46:00 -
[45]
So the U.S. is going to start punishing people for using fake information to get access to worthless websites.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah. No, seriously, good luck with that. I cant wait for more tax payer money to be wasted.
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:49:00 -
[46]
Since this thread is still going, can we talk about Ron Paul?
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maarud
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:49:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Omeega
Holy shit
Dev spotted, someone by passed the word filter!
Maarud. 
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E Vile
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:51:00 -
[48]
Edited by: E Vile on 08/07/2008 18:52:54
Originally by: Yorda
Edited by: Yorda on 08/07/2008 18:47:27
So the U.S. is going to start punishing people for using fake information to get access to worthless websites.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah. No, seriously, good luck with that. I cant wait for more tax payer money to be wasted.
P.S. Omeega just trolled the shit out of all of you.
That's just the start. Wait till they call you a internet terrorist.
ad to Astasia Cheers to Ron Paul. He is waking up millions. Campaignforliberty.com
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:52:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/07/2008 18:55:08
Originally by: lilrascal sinq
Originally by: Haradgrim
And my point is that as citizens of the world, it is our duty to point out the flaws and inadequecies of all justice systems in the hope that one day true justice may prevail..... remind me again why the US would not commit to joining the U.N.'s International Criminal Court?
Citizens of the world? Come on now, that is stretching it a little far IMO. Altruism FTW.
I agree its altruistic, but what else do you call the people belonging to the member nations of the U.N.?
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Haradgrim
Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/07/2008 16:51:52
Originally by: Rehmes
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
Where shooting afro-americans won't get you trouble, but using a fake identity to get access to a "fake myspace profile" will send your ass in jail!
Laws are man-made so they are not perfect in nature. The U.S. may have some very idiotic laws, but before you go spewing nonsense about things you don't understand do try and look at your own country's amazing justice system.
While I wouldn't be using Russia as an example of justice being done, the US certainly doesn't have much integrity in that regard considering the politcal nature of their highest court (which has supreme authority over everything in the country).
When a democratic president appoints a judge that is anti-roe v. wade or a republican appoints one that's pro, I'll shut up, but until then; the only thing America can say is that it's good at hiding the biased nature of its justice system (how does a registered democrat feel about having a case tried by judge who was elected as a republican representitive?)
Not to nitpick, but I think David Souter and probably Anthony Kennedy are both judges who have upheld Roe vs Wade despite being appointed by the Old Bush and Reagan respectively. And former Justice Sandra Day O'Conner was also appointed by Reagan and I think she supported Roe vs Wade as well.
Actually I have to admit that I spaced and thought Clinton had appointed O'Conner, but nonetheless I was talking about contemporary and future apointements (if you read what I wrote), and my point still stands: those judges may have been part of "pro" or "anti" decisions (there was a time or NY times article recently where supreme court justices admitted to 'politicking' on the bench) but in terms of their views (which they openly state during the confirmation process) given the current political climate; it is unlikely you will see a suprising appointment regardless of who wins the upcoming election.
And if you think that John Roberts was appointed as a pro-Roe v. Wade judge then Yes I'll shut up because the discussion would be lost on the ignorant.....
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
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Gaylord Demian
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Gaylord Demian on 08/07/2008 18:56:58
Originally by: E Vile
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
stuff
WTF kinda raciest statement is this.
Not sure what garbage your reading to form this opinion, but I ask you to pull your head out of your own arse.
<b>In Your country they shoot millions of THEIR OWN people in times of war.</b> So I wouldn't throw stones when living in a red glass house.
In your coutry you are openly practising acts of torture, you shoot Millions of civilians in other countrys in time of war/peace/peace keeping. Oh and many many Blues too.
America is listed as one of the worst human rights offenders in the world, The Greed of the American finacial moguls have driven the world to a recession and (if your a american) Its <b>Your</b> fault for allowing Bush too stay in power.
But regardless of that, I fear the monster the USA is turning into and its quasi facist supporters that jump on anyone who makes negative comments about it.
I just pray that Obama saves you/me before some eastern nutcase decides they have had enough of you guys and starts WW3.
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Damon Blood
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:55:00 -
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I play eve to forget RL, can we get back to cheast beating and trolling about internet spaceships please? kthnxs
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IronGoldenEagle
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:56:00 -
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According to FoxNews we are about to go to war with Russia over that missile treaty. Well RA it was nice knowing ya! Can I have yalls stuff?
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda
Edited by: Yorda on 08/07/2008 18:47:27
So the U.S. is going to start punishing people for using fake information to get access to worthless websites.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah. No, seriously, good luck with that. I cant wait for more tax payer money to be wasted.
P.S. Omeega just trolled the shit out of all of you.
Read the whole thread before you post. I already posted that this spoofing incident ended in the suicide of a young girl who was devastated by what she saw. Thats what this case is about, its not just about internet flame wars, its about RL harm.
P.S. You just trolled the shit out of yourself.
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Death4free
Caldari
Privateers
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kalmanaka
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Moon Kitten
America
You hate freedom, I can tell.
No, goons love freedom. They just confuse "freedom" with "free from the consequences of your actions" too often.
free to do what exactly....sit on ur arses and get fat?
Eve information kiosk
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Should probably be in General Discussion or Out of Pod
That said, yes you could argue that USA law prohibits such attacks. However the computer hosting said site would most likely have to be within the confines of the United States or her territories.
Furthermore you would have to establish that you suffered a quantitative loss in regards to the hacking. This is difficult to prove when a site's sole purpose is for a gathering place for a game. It probably would be hard to meet this requirement.
To Jas Dor, EVE's TOS and the EULA cannot make legal what is illegal. That's why so many EULA are thrown out not only in US Court but EU courts as well.
Quote:
(A) except as provided in subparagraph (B), a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in the case of an offense under subsection (a)(2), (a)(3), (a)(5)(A)(iii), or (a)(6) of this section which does not occur after a conviction for another offense under this section, or an attempt to commit an offense punishable under this subparagraph;
(B) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or both, in the case of an offense under subsection (a)(2), or an attempt to commit an offense punishable under this subparagraph, ifù
(i) the offense was committed for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;
(ii) the offense was committed in furtherance of any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State; or
(iii) the value of the information obtained exceeds $5,000; and
(C) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than ten years, or both, in the case of an offense under subsection (a)(2), (a)(3) or (a)(6) of this section which occurs after a conviction for another offense under this section, or an attempt to commit an offense punishable under this subparagraph;
So it's still a crime if there isn't a monetary loss, you just do one year not ten.
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Epofhis
The Singularity Amalgamation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:11:00 -
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Internet spaceships ftw.
Myspace ftl.
Just thought I'd get that in here before this thread gets locked.
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E Vile
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gaylord Demian
Edited by: Gaylord Demian on 08/07/2008 18:56:58
Originally by: E Vile
Originally by: Omeega
United States of lolerica.
stuff
WTF kinda raciest statement is this.
Not sure what garbage your reading to form this opinion, but I ask you to pull your head out of your own arse.
<b>In Your country they shoot millions of THEIR OWN people in times of war.</b> So I wouldn't throw stones when living in a red glass house.
In your coutry you are openly practising acts of torture, you shoot Millions of civilians in other countrys in time of war/peace/peace keeping. Oh and many many Blues too.
America is listed as one of the worst human rights offenders in the world, The Greed of the American finacial moguls have driven the world to a recession and (if your a american) Its <b>Your</b> fault for allowing Bush too stay in power.
But regardless of that, I fear the monster the USA is turning into and its quasi facist supporters that jump on anyone who makes negative comments about it.
I just pray that Obama saves you/me before some eastern nutcase decides they have had enough of you guys and starts WW3.
I agree America is moving into facism with the criminals who have our country hyjacked, but
Obama is far from any answer. He is Bush AND Cheneys COUSIN. He is just a pretty puppet of the CFR and Rockafeller criminal regime that will continue down the path of constant war for profit, and erode the rest of what's left of our Constitution.
We however have MILLIONS waking up to what Ron Paul and his movement have been teaching. The return to our Constitution.
I am willing to bet in just about all of your Countries there is a Ron Paul meetup group. Freedom is becoming popular. Anyone who has not heard Paul speak, really should listen to what he has to say.
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