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jefftradealt	Posted - 2008.07.09 02:27:00 - [1] 3rd day in a god dam row it says 1 hour dt and yet hours later nothing... ccp.....
d3vo The Space BorderLine Diabolic Paradox	Posted - 2008.07.09 03:08:00 - [2] it has been up and down all day http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/server_status.php please read around rather than just making a useless thread __________ -_-
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.07.09 03:16:00 - [3] Originally by: jefftradealt 3rd day in a god dam row it says 1 hour dt and yet hours later nothing... ccp..... Hello McFly, /me rapps on the 3" thick brain pan... For the benifit of the clueless, Sisi is up according to internal test criteria and they are nice enough to let us test on it. Although it is beneficial for them to allow us to test on it, it is by no means required. Some people just take to many things for granted.
jefftradealt	Posted - 2008.07.09 03:24:00 - [4] Originally by: d3vo it has been up and down all day http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/server_status.php please read around rather than just making a useless thread yes you dip shit i allways look at that but it does not explain why it goes down for 10 hours every ****ing downtime and its ben going on for 3 days now and ccp dont say shit

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.07.09 09:32:00 - [5] I'm kind of disappointed jefftradealt, for somebody who obviously needs the service we provide with our Test Server you haven't created even one bug report. And please have the guts to post with our main if you want to troll. __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Arous Drephius Alpha Research Group	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:35:00 - [6] Owned by CCP.
Damned Force Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:49:00 - [7] Originally by: CCP Sputnik I'm kind of disappointed jefftradealt, for somebody who obviously needs the service we provide with our Test Server you haven't created even one bug report. And please have the guts to post with your main if you want to troll. Would be great if CCP answered other, more important threads so fast. Some of them is 7-8 page or longer without any response. So: Originally by: CCP Sputnik Removed because no content!!!

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: CCP Sputnik Removed because no content!!! nice research that's quite a while ago that I've posted that, but I don't agree we in QA trying to get as many people as possible to write bug reports and if somebody trolls about the test server downtime and is just using the testserver as a fitting tool its kind of disappointing for us. Originally by: Damned Force Would be great if CCP answered other, more important threads so fast. Some of them is 7-8 page or longer without any response. Should you talk about the Game Design discussions - look at my (now activated) signature, I'm a QA Engineer not a Game Designer, use the dev-finder and you will see that I answer a lot of threads which are related to technical or QA topics. and now I can quote me: Originally by: CCP Sputnik And please have the guts to post with your main if you want to troll. and not with your carebear alt, additionally no bug report from you too __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Kwa Kaine eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:39:00 - [9] Originally by: CCP Sputnik I'm kind of disappointed jefftradealt, for somebody who obviously needs the service we provide with our Test Server you haven't created even one bug report. Why would he, it's not going to be fixed for a minimum of 3 years and then when it is it'll just break 10 more things because of the fluff patch it comes attached to. EVE Online Customer Support <- It would be nice if this actually existed.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Kwa Kaine Originally by: CCP Sputnik I'm kind of disappointed jefftradealt, for somebody who obviously needs the service we provide with our Test Server you haven't created even one bug report. Why would he, it's not going to be fixed for a minimum of 3 years and then when it is it'll just break 10 more things because of the fluff patch it comes attached to. And just staying silent will result in the bug never being fixed. Yes, I can see the advantage of that

Damned Force Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:53:00 - [11] Edited by: Damned Force on 09/07/2008 12:54:45 Originally by: CCP Sputnik Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: CCP Sputnik Removed because no content!!! nice research that's quite a while ago that I've posted that, but I don't agree we in QA trying to get as many people as possible to write bug reports and if somebody trolls about the test server downtime and is just using the testserver as a fitting tool its kind of disappointing for us. Originally by: Damned Force Would be great if CCP answered other, more important threads so fast. Some of them is 7-8 page or longer without any response. Should you talk about the Game Design discussions - look at my (now activated) signature, I'm a QA Engineer not a Game Designer, use the dev-finder and you will see that I answer a lot of threads which are related to technical or QA topics. and now I can quote me: Originally by: CCP Sputnik And please have the guts to post with your main if you want to troll. and not with your carebear alt, additionally no bug report from you too If u took the time to search my main, i could take the time i was posting bugreports. After my bug was not fixed some months and the only answer i got every time was more info(but more info was not possible) i decided to forget your bugreport system :) But i agree the testserver should be for testing the game mechanics and code, not for fitting, and is down so long as need to be. not important because is not for gaming
Relyen Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.09 13:48:00 - [12] I have to agree people shouldn't be whining about test server stability, downtime, or anything else about it. It's there to test game mechanics and patches before they go live. Not for people to test ship setups and practice fighting, doesn't mean people can't, just not what it is for. However, sadly, I have not submitted a bug report either

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Damned Force If u took the time to search my main, i could take the time i was posting bugreports. After my bug was not fixed some months and the only answer i got every time was more info(but more info was not possible) i decided to forget your bugreport system :) Its for us often not possible to reproduce defects which are related to hardware or the OS, which means that somebody spend a lot of time into the bug you submitted but couldn't reproduce it, lets say because of a minor difference in the configuration of the OS. Lets say everybody who has this bug would just send the logserver log and a DXDiag file and we would end up with enough data to most likely find this minor difference ourselfs and then we could fix the issue. Additionally we have priorities for our defect which means a minor defect of a feature, which is already on the production list for an overhaul, will be fixed with the overhaul soon(TM). Originally by: Damned Force But i agree the testserver should be for testing the game mechanics and code, not for fitting, and is down so long as need to be. not important because is not for gaming THANKS, its nice to see that there are players out there who understand how Software Development is working. Originally by: Damned Force PS: a good game design is a backbone of any quality :) so if the design things are not fixed and the design team is lasy to answer that drops the overall quality and the QA should take care about :) We can say something is wrong and where it is wrong (which is already done by the players in the case of Game Design suggestions), but the responsible Game Designer has to find a fix for it which is especially with most of the topics in the Game Design Forum not easy and needs a lot of brainz and time (if the responsible Producer gives him time to fix it). Unfortunately most of the things are looking easy to fix from the outside, but if you add a production plan and multiple departments and and and its quite different in reality. __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer


CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Relyen However, sadly, I have not submitted a bug report either SHAME ON YOU __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.09 17:46:00 - [15] I submitted a lot but you always say "it's an intended feature" ________________________________________
Alexandros Balfros Caldari Pax Britannia Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2008.07.09 20:12:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Sputnik Random troll bashings CCP Sputnik yeah i know its an off topic reply but you pwn and i owe you a bree if i ever get to fanfest ;) RALLY Against Evil
jefftradealt	Posted - 2008.07.09 21:53:00 - [17] What if i never reported a bug report.. dosent mean anything. Just can you tell the players why the server stays down after the 1 hour downtime.. like just tell us something at least
Darius Shakor Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.07.09 22:06:00 - [18] I can answer that. It Is The TEST Server. You do not pay your sub for the test server. You pay for TQ. The test server is not guaranteed to be up all hours except for DT every day and CCP never claim it as such. It goes down as and when they need it to for internal testing, hot fix application and so on. And when it is ready for public access again, they put it back up because it is what they do while working. And no amount of information on why it is down would change the fact that it is down anyway. If you want to keep track of it being up and down, use one of several regularly posted server status pages that can also be found by entering some basic queries into google. My favourite is here: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/server_status.php ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
doctorstupid2 The Accursed	Posted - 2008.07.09 22:49:00 - [19] Originally by: jefftradealt What if i never reported a bug report.. dosent mean anything. Just can you tell the players why the server stays down after the 1 hour downtime.. like just tell us something at least Maybe they just don't like you? Abusive \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace
Hyperdallas Caldari Last of the Technocracy Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.07.09 22:58:00 - [20] Edited by: Hyperdallas on 09/07/2008 22:58:39 Yarr

Chris Stormrider Gallente IDEON ANDRON	Posted - 2008.07.10 14:57:00 - [21] so, what about the test server? I've filled a few, so what? most of them got filtered or otherwise put aside, one got fixed after a couple of years (drone related) and I can't connect to the test server most of the times I've tried, let alone armageddon day and such. I know that access to the test server is a priviledge not a right, but my time is worth a lot, so that goes both ways. I'm not going into a heated discussion with the devs/gms I'm just saying that I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, that I can't connect or the server is down. The lack of information from ccp regarding the test server (patch notes, etc.) is making everybody lazy. You don't love your test server enough to expect us to love it. anyways, just tell us if the problem is on our side and what we can do to try to fix it and connect. PS. this is my main :p
Phext Gallente Lux Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.10 16:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Chris Stormrider I can't connect to the test server most of the times I've tried, let alone armageddon day and such. I know that access to the test server is a priviledge not a right, but my time is worth a lot, so that goes both ways. If your time is worth a lot, why not just play the game instead of wasting time testing things?...anyway...Sometimes SiSi is down a few hours, in rare cases it may be down a few days. Most of the times I tried (besides armageddon day^^), it was up and running. It has been online this week for sure. I was there, changing a skill... Originally by: Chris Stormrider I'm not going into a heated discussion with the devs/gms I'm just saying that I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, that I can't connect or the server is down. You must be doing something wrong. Others have no problems connecting. Originally by: Chris Stormrider The lack of information from ccp regarding the test server (patch notes, etc.) is making everybody lazy. You don't love your test server enough to expect us to love it. It's a testserver. It's a snapshot of some revision of the codebase they think to be stable enough for players to tryout. It is to timeconsuming to list every fix in a human readable format. Deploying updates and maintaining the infrastructure is enough love for something they give us as a "preview" of what to come. Maybe CCP can arrange "my bugreports" section to reflect if the filed bug has been only "attached to a defect" or "fixed in latest branch". But in the end this wouldn't matter much. If a bug is filed and attached in BTS, I assume it will get fixed soon[tm]. Originally by: Chris Stormrider anyways, just tell us if the problem is on our side and what we can do to try to fix it and connect. Problem must be on your side. Check your shortcut, reinstall your SiSi version or use a network traffic analyzer to find out where packets get lost if necessary.
Chris Stormrider Gallente IDEON ANDRON	Posted - 2008.07.10 17:50:00 - [23] well, too much noise to information ratio for my taste. I'll look around and try some things in case I find my own solution to my problem, so I can help find ccp's problems, for them to find a solution :p what I get of this topic is that everyone is stressed and ready to jump on each other's throat including myself...

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.07.10 18:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Chris Stormrider anyways, just tell us if the problem is on our side and what we can do to try to fix it and connect. PS. this is my main :p There are 5 different possibilities: 1. you start eve and can connect 2. you start eve and it says version incompatible but is starting an automated updated when you try to log in. 3. you start eve and it says version incompatible and no automated updating runs = there is no patch for the version you are running > new copy of TQ install and testserver patch 4. you start eve and its says not accepting connections = a internal test is running and only VIPs can log in 5. you start eve and it cant connect to the server = sisi is down That's it, eve even tells you why it doesn't work. Originally by: Chris Stormrider I'm not going into a heated discussion with the devs/gms I'm just saying that I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, that I can't connect or the server is down. The lack of information from ccp regarding the test server (patch notes, etc.) is making everybody lazy. You don't love your test server enough to expect us to love it. ... so you don't want to change anything because you don't want to convince me that something is wrong by not starting a discussion but after wards you tell me that you don't like the lack of information ... To the patch notes the patch notes for TQ get released when the changes are already applied to SISI ... so the patch notes are fine ... what do you want? (yes there are no "in Testing" patch notes which is kind of sad but do you want us to create patch notes or to find and solve issues? Patch notes for a normal patch need around one working day to get written down and patch notes for a major patch even more.) and yes I love the test server even if I don't have a lot of time to spend on it and additionally if I fly into a battleground on FD- everybody is switching target and shooting at me , but yes I love the testserver. __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer


CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.07.10 18:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Chris Stormrider well, too much noise to information ratio for my taste. I'll look around and try some things in case I find my own solution to my problem, so I can help find ccp's problems, for them to find a solution :p what I get of this topic is that everyone is stressed and ready to jump on each other's throat including myself... I'm not stressed I finished a complex project today and had 2 beers __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Chris Stormrider Gallente IDEON ANDRON	Posted - 2008.07.10 18:56:00 - [26] I get incompatible version, but no auto-update, and I got it right after auto-updating. I'm still in version 5.10.57913 although the auto-updater intended to upgrade it. TQ is running 5.10.58188 so I could copy from TQ or reinstall altogether (and might just do that). Manually patching isn't possible, since on the site it reports the test server as running version 0 (it even links to a patch http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/test/eveclassicpatch58188-0_test.exe and http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/test/evepremiumpatch58188-0_test.exe) all this is on two different machines, one with xp/nvidia the other vista/ati and two different types of connection, adsl and adsm (different providers). I'm sure it's something silly I did and intend on fixing it. ANYWAY, this is in no way personal I'm just another guy, my main protest is that this started as a "what's with the test server" into a completely different thing, maybe because ccp knows there's nothing wrong with the test server, but before letting the rest of us know (those with the question in mind) went into a "if you don't like it, can I have your stuff" topic. So, no you can't have my stuff. But please, have a feature that show the status of the server (then this thread wouldn't have started) and when trying to connect to the server show the expected version. I think I remember this feature existing a while back. This includes TQ and SiSi (tq usually has a message of the day stating when it is down for maintenance, usually). So, reinstalling here I come :p I hope I'll find a 58188-something SiSI patch. PS. I'll be back to read but I'll refrain from answering since I'm getting bad vibes from the replies and sending vibes also, which I shouldn't be doing, in the first place.
Chris Stormrider Gallente IDEON ANDRON	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:09:00 - [27] Originally by: d3vo it has been up and down all day http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/server_status.php please read around rather than just making a useless thread If only I had followed this link, thanx d3vo... sorry for the trouble, people ;)
DaveJ777	Posted - 2008.07.11 03:42:00 - [28] It's amazing that out of all the CCP posts, none of them actually answer the question of WHY it is down. No new patches are being installed, it just seems like the 1 hour downtime turns into 10 hour downtime every single day out of laziness. If this is not the case, please explain. _________________________________________ A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver
Grarr Dexx Amarr Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.11 04:41:00 - [29] They're testing hardware?
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.11 05:32:00 - [30] Sputnik, you got trolled Also, two br in the works. Gimme Siseh!

Jeffreyham	Posted - 2008.07.11 06:30:00 - [31] Originally by: DaveJ777 It's amazing that out of all the CCP posts, none of them actually answer the question of WHY it is down. No new patches are being installed, it just seems like the 1 hour downtime turns into 10 hour downtime every single day out of laziness. If this is not the case, please explain. +1
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.07.11 07:43:00 - [32] Originally by: DaveJ777 It's amazing that out of all the CCP posts, none of them actually answer the question of WHY it is down. No new patches are being installed, it just seems like the 1 hour downtime turns into 10 hour downtime every single day out of laziness. If this is not the case, please explain. You assume that they need to explain, and by the question, you must be a noobie when it comes to the test server. This happens frequently, but not consistenly. Sometimes they post a reason, sometimes they don't. They have always held that they will try to have Sisi up as much as possible, but it is by no means, maintained anyway near Tranq. If someone forgot to push the button before they went home for the Day, too bad. Quit your crying and get over it. You act as if you are paying for this service, you're not. You are paying for Tranq, only. Give someone a little, and they feel they are entitled to a whole lot more.

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.07.11 10:59:00 - [33] Originally by: DaveJ777 It's amazing that out of all the CCP posts, none of them actually answer the question of WHY it is down. No new patches are being installed, it just seems like the 1 hour downtime turns into 10 hour downtime every single day out of laziness. If this is not the case, please explain. There are hundreds of different reasons why the testserver is down over a longer time, starting with simple internal tests or the hardware gets assigned to an other server to run a test etc. (no I don't give you a full list). What I can tell you is that we try to have a much as possible up time, because we appreciated if players spend their time on the test server and help us with the testing. or in Kil'Roy words: Originally by: Kil'Roy You assume that they need to explain, and by the question, you must be a noobie when it comes to the test server. This happens frequently, but not consistenly. Sometimes they post a reason, sometimes they don't. They have always held that they will try to have Sisi up as much as possible, but it is by no means, maintained anyway near Tranq. If someone forgot to push the button before they went home for the Day, too bad. Quit your crying and get over it. and now to you MR. Stormrider ;) Originally by: Chris Stormrider ANYWAY, this is in no way personal I'm just another guy, my main protest is that this started as a "what's with the test server" into a completely different thing, maybe because ccp knows there's nothing wrong with the test server, but before letting the rest of us know (those with the question in mind) went into a "if you don't like it, can I have your stuff" topic. So, no you can't have my stuff. No I don't want to have your stuff and this post went in my eyes from a troll to a "ups ccp answers we all have to post here and don't read what actually happened in this thread" - and the best proof for this is you, 3 post before you realized that the answer you searched for was already in the 2nd post of the thread... cmon guys please read first, I have no problem to explain things to you guys but dont start trolling if you missed to read whats actually going on. (I know its nice to post into a blue marked thread but I'm so sick to defend every word I say on the forums.) But enough of this, you are right the information policy for the testserver the same like for TQ, but does it has to be? Isn't it more important to have the best service possible for the liveserver? And if you really want to get into bughunting etc. : Originally by: Batolemaeus Dude. There is an irc channel where the cool Bughunters and cool players hang out, and where you can always ask both expreienced players, bughunters and devs. and here is even more information If you want to troll please don't post - if you have a question go on I see if I can answer it. __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Chris Stormrider Gallente IDEON ANDRON	Posted - 2008.07.12 00:48:00 - [34] Well, I guess if you want to help with bug hunting etc. you have to look all over for relevant information etc. at least if you want to be any good (or helpful) at it. Still, the info that a third party provides should've been available from ccp, so directly: -do you intend to have a server status feature on your website and a server version on your client? -Will you fix the version 0 on your website where it links to a patch for SiSi? Is it just a temporary thing until a soon-to-come TQ-to-SiSi patch arrives sooner or later? (maybe you could devise another way to handle the case when the test server has the same version as TQ and no patch is needed) -Do you agree that all this can be misleading at times, including the failed patch from my ?version to the current one (which caused all the problems) From all this you choose to only see what you like and call me whatever. At least I have the right attitude and admit it, where I was wrong. So if anyone is trolling around here you know it's you. My bug hunting knowledge or skill is worse than the next guy's, so what? Or maybe you like working at CCP so much you try to give them more credit than is due. In any case, you're right, I'm wrong, end of story.
Wen Jaibao Soul Ripper Consortium	Posted - 2008.07.12 02:10:00 - [35] Originally by: jefftradealt BAWWW I CANT HAVE FREE PVP IN THE FFA BAWWW Fixed.
Ronana	Posted - 2008.07.12 03:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Ronana on 12/07/2008 03:14:20 CCP Sputnik shouldn't you be working on something else? Waving the Pwn3d St1ck must be getting tiring So you guys are using the hardware to run other tests? We don't mind, just simply tell us. This whole 'argh wtf? /sob' mess would have been avoided if one of you guys would have taken 5 minutes to make a thread in here saying the Test Server will be off for a short/long amount of time. Lock the thread and voila done. A lot of us will be much appreciated if we weren't treated like little kids and/or shit. I know things are done differently in Iceland, but I would expect a certain amount of manners (and at least proper business ethics) from everyone, regardless of country, race or gender. Have a nice weekend and thanks for the information Edit: I would post with my main but i would have to eliminate you
Conq Er Sweetrock Mining	Posted - 2008.07.12 17:51:00 - [37] Originally by: Arous Drephius Owned by CCP.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.07.12 18:30:00 - [38] Good, finally some right words from CCP. Those stupid trolls should stay at CAOD with their crap and don't fill the other forums with their **** behaviour. Sputnik's explanation of the 5 different test server conditions and what they mean and how to handle them were good words. And well, if not everyone writes bug reports maybe it means they didn't find any bugs
War Porcika Serenity and Hungarian Operational Team	Posted - 2008.07.12 23:10:00 - [39] Originally by: CCP Sputnik and here is even more information I was wondering, why is this topic not pinned...
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.07.13 00:11:00 - [40] Originally by: CCP Sputnik I'm kind of disappointed jefftradealt, for somebody who obviously needs the service we provide with our Test Server you haven't created even one bug report. And please have the guts to post with your main if you want to troll. pwnt by the dev's. oh, and why isn't test server up Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide


CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.07.14 14:49:00 - [41] Originally by: Chris Stormrider Well, I guess if you want to help with bug hunting etc. you have to look all over for relevant information etc. at least if you want to be any good (or helpful) at it. Its not about reading everything its about starting to search for it and now I show you why I tell you that. Originally by: Chris Stormrider Still, the info that a third party provides should've been available from ccp, so directly: -do you intend to have a server status feature on your website and a server version on your client? -Will you fix the version 0 on your website where it links to a patch for SiSi? Is it just a temporary thing until a soon-to-come TQ-to-SiSi patch arrives sooner or later? (maybe you could devise another way to handle the case when the test server has the same version as TQ and no patch is needed) -Do you agree that all this can be misleading at times, including the failed patch from my ?version to the current one (which caused all the problems) 1. ... where do you think the 3rd party pages get there information from? easiest method to find out the status of the test server and more information if its down is the IRC chat channel #eve-chaos there are a lot of devs, bughunters and testserver veterans in this channel and a simple .sisi typed into this channel is telling you the status and version number of sisi. 2. Yes most likely because it's working for me, maybe I have just looked at the wrong place, but did you write a bug report for it? If yes could you tell me the number if not just check again please and create one. 3. Yes the test server is not as easy to use as the live server and yes you need some additional knowledge to use it, but its so much easier atm than a year ago I basically had to copy my client every time there was a patch not to mention that the automated patching for SISI was introduced since then and yes we will work on it and there will be more information and easier access but it will take its time. Originally by: Chris Stormrider From all this you choose to only see what you like and call me whatever. At least I have the right attitude and admit it, where I was wrong. So if anyone is trolling around here you know it's you. I checked, I didn't call you anything - especially not trolling (I called Jeffreyham's post a troll) - I'm sorry if you think I was to harsh with you but this thread started as a troll do you really think you would get a nice dev conversation in here? and as far as I can see I answered all your questions until now, so just ignore the dev forum speeches and take out of here what you can get. Originally by: Chris Stormrider My bug hunting knowledge or skill is worse than the next guy's, so what? Or maybe you like working at CCP so much you try to give them more credit than is due. In any case, you're right, I'm wrong, end of story. Yes I like to work for CCP and yes not everything is gold if its shiny but cmon get some backbone I just expected more of somebody who can write intelligent forum post like you all the information I've showed you are somewhere hidden in the stickies and additionally the guys at #eve-chaos can help out and yes I try to be there as often as possible and I hereby invite you for a little chat in eve-chaos (I'll maybe need a while to respond but I will no worries). Originally by: Ronana CCP Sputnik shouldn't you be working on something else? Waving the Pwn3d St1ck must be getting tiring Yes I do, had a lot of meetings before the weekend and wanted to use the time between to do some community work ... yeah ended up a little bit messy I know, but at least I've shared additionally a lot of information with you and yes I'll get my Prism Forum Squad membership soon __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer



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