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Ademaro Imre
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 09/07/2008 15:14:04
Climate Change Delusion
Hopefully a cure will be found and given to Al Gore.
The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it. |
Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:35:00 -
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When us coastal dwellers are all waist-deep in water, my only comfort will be tracking down the people I know IRL who believe that climate change is unfounded nonsense. I'll track them down and say "I told you so." I doubt if it will give me much pleasure, but it'll be something to do while the gangs of feral youths raid the remains of the supermarkets.
(You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion of the evidence, such as it is. And my friends are welcome to do the same to me should the climate be pretty much the same as it is now in 50 years time.)
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:37:00 -
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That's why I live on a mountain
 Originally by: Calvin Firenze
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:38:00 -
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meh, I'm part of those half-assed guys that believe that the situation is not THAT bad, but people should do something ASAP before it's too late.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
That's why I live on a mountain
A slight diversion: the UK government agency dealing with flooding (Environment Agency?) has an interactive website showing flood risks on a map of your area. The FAQs crack me up. One of them goes something like this (quoting from memory):
Q. Your map shows a flood risk of up to 3m in my area, but I live in a second floor flat. Will I be affected?
A. Don't forget that you may have to leave your flat to go to work, or buy food. You will not be able to do this if the ground floor is flooded.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
meh, I'm part of those half-assed guys that believe that the situation is not THAT bad, but people should do something ASAP before it's too late.
Other people not you, it'll happen, someone will come and solve it for you, it'll work itself out...
Finally us doomsayers will have our day! I'm going to be here right up till the end saying 'told you so' repeatedly till being beaten to death by a mob weilding car keys. 
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:52:00 -
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Hate to break it to you coastal dwellers, but the coasts are always moving. :)
Word to the wise: NEVER live near flowing water. Water can not be contained - it's nature's best solvent.
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Arvald
Caldari
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:00:00 -
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i dotn deny that a climate change is happening, i just think that it is happening for a different reason, natural climate change as we are way overdue for another ice age
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett
Hate to break it to you coastal dwellers, but the coasts are always moving. :)
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 09/07/2008 15:14:04
Climate Change Delusion
Hopefully a cure will be found and given to Al Gore.
The guy they describe is just plain crazy. So he latched on to global warming. If he never heard of that it'd be meteor strikes or pesticides or government black helicopters or something.
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Kye Kenshin
Martial.
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:07:00 -
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I feel sorry for the kid, the extremists made him feel too guilty to drink water. :(
As for climate change, of course it exists, it always has. But its nothing apocalyptic.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:10:00 -
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OK lets do a little poll cause now I'm curious. What do you guys think will happen first:
1. Global warming/cooling/climate change. The caps melt and 90% of the earths land mass turns into ocean floor. People start growing gills and wear ski boots as a fashion statement.
2. Catastrophic Volcanic Activity. Yellowstone erupts, I'm obliviated, and the worlds food supply is utterly destroyed.
3. 2012. The mysterious and invisible planet X, A brown dwarf (which is actually a sun), comes into contact with earth. If by some miracle the sun... I mean planets gravitational force doesn't tear our little planet to pieces the aliens of planet X come over and we accept them as our new overlords.
4. Nuclear holocaust. We all go live in vault 13 for a while.
5. Global warming/cooling/climate change. We move into a new ice age and prices for space heaters sky rocket.
6. The magnetic poles re-align. Chaos ensues as electronics go haywire and we see mass riots where people loot stores for their now non-functional tv's.
7. Nothing. We live the rest of our short lives in paranoia and let the next generation carry on.
Originally by: Calvin Firenze
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
OK lets do a little poll cause now I'm curious. What do you guys think will happen first:
1. Global warming/cooling/climate change. The caps melt and 90% of the earths land mass turns into ocean floor. People start growing gills and wear ski boots as a fashion statement.
2. Catastrophic Volcanic Activity. Yellowstone erupts, I'm obliviated, and the worlds food supply is utterly destroyed.
3. 2012. The mysterious and invisible planet X, A brown dwarf (which is actually a sun), comes into contact with earth. If by some miracle the sun... I mean planets gravitational force doesn't tear our little planet to pieces the aliens of planet X come over and we accept them as our new overlords.
4. Nuclear holocaust. We all go live in vault 13 for a while.
5. Global warming/cooling/climate change. We move into a new ice age and prices for space heaters sky rocket.
6. The magnetic poles re-align. Chaos ensues as electronics go haywire and we see mass riots where people loot stores for their now non-functional tv's.
7. Nothing. We live the rest of our short lives in paranoia and let the next generation carry on.
Oceans die from overfishing and other abuse, we suffocate shortly after.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett
Hate to break it to you coastal dwellers, but the coasts are always moving. :)
Word to the wise: NEVER live near flowing water. Water can not be contained - it's nature's best solvent.
The southern part of the British Isle is sinking, while Scotland in the North is rising due to the release of pressure since the glaciers of the last ice age retreated.
Sea levels will rise for us, but why its flooding in July is a different point.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/07/2008 16:25:11
Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
That's why I live on a mountain
A slight diversion: the UK government agency dealing with flooding (Environment Agency?) has an interactive website showing flood risks on a map of your area. The FAQs crack me up. One of them goes something like this (quoting from memory):
Q. Your map shows a flood risk of up to 3m in my area, but I live in a second floor flat. Will I be affected?
A. Don't forget that you may have to leave your flat to go to work, or buy food. You will not be able to do this if the ground floor is flooded.
After watching Jaywalking, I think it may not be such a bad idea to have such instructions... 
Also they should mention that water is wet.
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:26:00 -
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So the OP finds an opinion piece by the Aussie O'Reilly about some kid with paranoid schizophrenia who took it on climate change instead of secret messages from Satan encoded in the newspaper's stock market reports.
And this is supposed to somehow support the idea that climate change is a delusion.
*yawn*
This is so pathetic its not even worth discussing.
Ooops!
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan
So the OP finds an opinion piece by the Aussie O'Reilly about some kid with paranoid schizophrenia who took it on climate change instead of secret messages from Satan encoded in the newspaper's stock market reports.
And this is supposed to somehow support the idea that climate change is a delusion.
*yawn*
This is so pathetic its not even worth discussing.
Ooops!
Classic defense mechanism at work, you go with your bad self.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Arvald
Caldari
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 09/07/2008 16:32:24
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
OK lets do a little poll cause now I'm curious. What do you guys think will happen first:
1. Global warming/cooling/climate change. The caps melt and 90% of the earths land mass turns into ocean floor. People start growing gills and wear ski boots as a fashion statement.
2. Catastrophic Volcanic Activity. Yellowstone erupts, I'm obliviated, and the worlds food supply is utterly destroyed.
3. 2012. The mysterious and invisible planet X, A brown dwarf (which is actually a sun), comes into contact with earth. If by some miracle the sun... I mean planets gravitational force doesn't tear our little planet to pieces the aliens of planet X come over and we accept them as our new overlords.
4. Nuclear holocaust. We all go live in vault 13 for a while.
5. Global warming/cooling/climate change. We move into a new ice age and prices for space heaters sky rocket.
6. The magnetic poles re-align. Chaos ensues as electronics go haywire and we see mass riots where people loot stores for their now non-functional tv's.
7. Nothing. We live the rest of our short lives in paranoia and let the next generation carry on.
im voting for 5
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Fraszoid
Caldari
ULTRA VEGA
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
4. Nuclear holocaust. We all go live in vault 13 for a while.
Number 4 obviously, if we are living in isolation then none of the others can affect us. Lets just hope we have enough water chips. Besides natural sunlight and air are over rated anyway.
On the topic of the crazy kid, it was bound to happen. He just has to look at the source of where the water is coming from. If its a river, its all flowing away anyway, so drinking from it isn't hurting anything as its not going to stick around like a lake would.
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Caldari
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
7. Nothing. We live the rest of our short lives in paranoia and let the next generation carry on.
I do intend to live to 150 and laugh on the graves of all doomsayers and fearmongers. Ergo, my life will be neither "short lived" nor spent "in paranoia". But I digress -- 7.
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:39:00 -
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Well to say that the climate is not changing is also wrong. The Polar Ice cap is shrinking, but at the same time the South Pole is showing an increase in the size of its area coverage with ice. This is not soley due to what man has done, but to say that man has not contributed somewhat to the situation is also short sightedness.
The main issues here is that all this cold water is flowing into the ocean decreasing salinity of the ocean from the north pole down to the south pole. There are theories about how all this cold freash water could affect the currents through the oceans, thus affecting the jet stream. This could cause an increase in the volatility of weather systems around the world. Is this bad? Who knows, but I know for a fact that winters where I live have not been like they were when I was a kid and that was many years ago. Could be a natural flux, but looking at the natural progression of the past climate changes, we are in an accelerated polar meltdown, for a fact.
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lilrascal sinq
Dirty Denizens
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: lilrascal sinq on 09/07/2008 18:01:30
Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
When us coastal dwellers are all waist-deep in water, my only comfort will be tracking down the people I know IRL who believe that climate change is unfounded nonsense. I'll track them down and say "I told you so." I doubt if it will give me much pleasure, but it'll be something to do while the gangs of feral youths raid the remains of the supermarkets.
(You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion of the evidence, such as it is. And my friends are welcome to do the same to me should the climate be pretty much the same as it is now in 50 years time.)
So are you one of the guys that cries to have his house rebuit in Florida after a hurricane comes through?
Just curious because IMO both are equaly out of our control.
Edit - I am still waiting on the acid rain I was promised in the 80s.
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Fabien Aldric
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.09 18:54:00 -
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I couldn't care any less about the whole global warming. If it's wrong, I get to laugh in everyone's faces in 20 years (but I won't, because they'll probably have new excuses why we're not all drowning by then), and if it isn't wrong, this frozen piece of crap might be a tropical resort one day and I'll get to shoot the immigrants that will no doubt be arriving here en masse for invading my property. It's a win-win!
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 09/07/2008 19:08:34
Originally by: Isiskhan
So the OP finds an opinion piece by the Aussie O'Reilly about some kid with paranoid schizophrenia who took it on climate change instead of secret messages from Satan encoded in the newspaper's stock market reports.
And this is supposed to somehow support the idea that climate change is a delusion.
*yawn*
This is so pathetic its not even worth discussing.
Ooops!
So, science journals are opinion pieces now? And the Royal ChildrenĘs Hospital are mouhtpieces of O'Reilly?
You should read the actual links. Fear mongering of climate change has pushed someone into being frightened of drinking water.
World figures like Al Gore do not tell people that Satan is communicating with secret messages in stock reports. However, people like Al Gore are proclaiming the world will be sent into an irreversible tailspin into catastrophe within, according to Al Gore, less than 7 years, and 7 months. Children's websites in Australia have been telling children that they will die because of their living habits within a few years. There is definite fear mongering.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:15:00 -
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sounds like your average raving lunatic to me
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
2. Catastrophic Volcanic Activity. Yellowstone erupts, I'm obliviated, and the worlds food supply is utterly destroyed.
Oooh Yellowstone specifically - that one is so overdue!
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 09/07/2008 19:35:02
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
OK lets do a little poll cause now I'm curious. What do you guys think will happen first:
1. Global warming/cooling/climate change. The caps melt and 90% of the earths land mass turns into ocean floor. People start growing gills and wear ski boots as a fashion statement.
2. Catastrophic Volcanic Activity. Yellowstone erupts, I'm obliviated, and the worlds food supply is utterly destroyed.
3. 2012. The mysterious and invisible planet X, A brown dwarf (which is actually a sun), comes into contact with earth. If by some miracle the sun... I mean planets gravitational force doesn't tear our little planet to pieces the aliens of planet X come over and we accept them as our new overlords.
4. Nuclear holocaust. We all go live in vault 13 for a while.
5. Global warming/cooling/climate change. We move into a new ice age and prices for space heaters sky rocket.
6. The magnetic poles re-align. Chaos ensues as electronics go haywire and we see mass riots where people loot stores for their now non-functional tv's.
7. Nothing. We live the rest of our short lives in paranoia and let the next generation carry on.
Pretty much choice Seven, minus the paranoia stuff.
Face it kids; Earth's climate has been yo-yoing all over the place for several BILLION years now, way longer than we puny earthlings have been around. What kind of arrogance is it that anyone thinks that we can not only ALTER our Planet's climate, but do anything at all to stop a naturally occurring climate pattern that cycles over the course of millions of years?
Our money would be far better spent looking for ways to ADAPT to any natural change that comes along, rather than this "Chicken Little" crap we have going on now. In life, as in EVE, Adapt or Die.
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Isiskhan on 09/07/2008 20:09:23
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
So, science journals are opinion pieces now? And the Royal ChildrenĘs Hospital are mouhtpieces of O'Reilly?
Are you really that thick, or is it one of your weird hobbies to pretend so?
It would really help if you pulled your head out of O'Reilly's ass for change and breathed in some clean air, but just in case I'll make it simple for you: the opinion piece is what you linked to, and the O'Reilly reference was regarding the author of the piece: Andrew Bolt, a conservative pundit for the Herald Sun (another of Rupert Murdoch's properties, just like Fox).
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
You should read the actual links. Fear mongering of climate change has pushed someone into being frightened of drinking water.
Awww, poor kid! It's all Al Gores fault!!
Read up on paranoid schizophrenia. If that doesn't clear up things for you, seriously: breathing something else than O'Reilly's vile rectal fumes will do wonders.
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
World figures like Al Gore do not tell people that Satan is communicating with secret messages in stock reports. However, people like Al Gore are proclaiming the world will be sent into an irreversible tailspin into catastrophe within, according to Al Gore, less than 7 years, and 7 months. Children's websites in Australia have been telling children that they will die because of their living habits within a few years. There is definite fear mongering.
Just like you and Mr. Andrew Bolt are fear mongering now regarding climate change discussions turning kids into raving lunatics.
Anyway, Al Gore is a politician, not a scientist. And cherry-picking on the most alarmist and exaggerated voices in an attempt to discredit the backed-up arguments the vast majority of the worldwide scientific community has presented regarding climate change, is as dishonest as the fear mongering you both are so adamant to denounce.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan
It would really help if you pulled your head out of O'Reilly's ass for change and breathed in some clean air, but just in case I'll make it simple for you: the opinion piece is what you linked to, and the O'Reilly reference was regarding the author of the piece: Andrew Bolt, a conservative pundit for the Herald Sun (another of Rupert Murdoch's properties, just like Fox).
Oddly enough, the piece written for a medical journal by two physicians at a hospital was written for a science journal. He quoted from their article.
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
You should read the actual links. Fear mongering of climate change has pushed someone into being frightened of drinking water.
Awww, poor kid! It's all Al Gores fault!!
Originally by: Isiskhan
Read up on paranoid schizophrenia. If that doesn't clear up things for you, seriously: breathing something else than O'Reilly's vile rectal fumes will do wonders.
It seems like you have an unhealthy obsession with Bill O'Reilly, who has nothing to do with the child, or the physicians. Check yourself in, maybe as those physicians treat you, they can discuss the case with you.
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
World figures like Al Gore do not tell people that Satan is communicating with secret messages in stock reports. However, people like Al Gore are proclaiming the world will be sent into an irreversible tailspin into catastrophe within, according to Al Gore, less than 7 years, and 7 months. Children's websites in Australia have been telling children that they will die because of their living habits within a few years. There is definite fear mongering.
Originally by: Isiskhan
Just like you and Mr. Andrew Bolt are fear mongering now regarding climate change discussions turning kids into raving lunatics.
At least you are admitting to that, and confirming the physicians position in their published article.
Originally by: Isiskhan
Anyway, Al Gore is a politician, not a scientist. And cherry-picking on the most alarmist and exaggerated voices in an attempt to discredit the backed-up arguments the vast majority of the worldwide scientific community has presented regarding climate change, is as dishonest as the fear mongering you both are so adamant to denounce.
When was the last date that you had a glass of water?
The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
OK lets do a little poll cause now I'm curious. What do you guys think will happen first:
1. Global warming/cooling/climate change. The caps melt and 90% of the earths land mass turns into ocean floor. People start growing gills and wear ski boots as a fashion statement.
2. Catastrophic Volcanic Activity. Yellowstone erupts, I'm obliviated, and the worlds food supply is utterly destroyed.
3. 2012. The mysterious and invisible planet X, A brown dwarf (which is actually a sun), comes into contact with earth. If by some miracle the sun... I mean planets gravitational force doesn't tear our little planet to pieces the aliens of planet X come over and we accept them as our new overlords.
4. Nuclear holocaust. We all go live in vault 13 for a while.
5. Global warming/cooling/climate change. We move into a new ice age and prices for space heaters sky rocket.
6. The magnetic poles re-align. Chaos ensues as electronics go haywire and we see mass riots where people loot stores for their now non-functional tv's.
7. Nothing. We live the rest of our short lives in paranoia and let the next generation carry on.
Undecided. Nuclear holocaust seems quite likely with the raging ******s of current politics. Climate change is a bit longer term but has roughly the sae results.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Undecided. Nuclear holocaust seems quite likely with the raging ******s of current politics. Climate change is a bit longer term but has roughly the sae results.
Hmmmm... Looks like I'll have to add an option 8. Check the original list for the edit.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 09/07/2008 23:37:27
Originally by: Isiskhan
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Oddly enough, the piece written for a medical journal by two physicians at a hospital was written for a science journal. He quoted from their article.
Read again carefully that quote from that medical article (the full text being unavailable).
Now, try to find the part where it says that climate change fear-mongering pushed that kid into lunacy. If you're having a hard time with this simple task, here's a tip: it may be because it is not there.
That premise - ie: "The warming preachers truly are driving people mad with fear" - is an opinion Andrew Bolt pulled out from his nether regions.
Oh, you're right. It is impossible for the weekly news reports of global warming, political debates in every nation, science debates, intentional forms of fear mongering, and statements from world leaders, and the boy's own political leader describing a future of little water, to manifest themselves into the minds of of people who may be mentally effected.
The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it. |
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Face it kids; Earth's climate has been yo-yoing all over the place for several BILLION years now, way longer than we puny earthlings have been around. What kind of arrogance is it that anyone thinks that we can not only ALTER our Planet's climate, but do anything at all to stop a naturally occurring climate pattern that cycles over the course of millions of years?
Bingo 
Just in the past 150 years, we have had FOUR trends : first it was "oh no ice age is coming", then "no, wait, global warming gaaaah", then again the "damn upcoming ice age" and now we're back to "we're all going to boil" nonsense.
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.07.10 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Oh, you're right. It is impossible for the weekly news reports of global warming, political debates in every nation, science debates, intentional forms of fear mongering, and statements from world leaders, and the boy's own political leader describing a future of little water, to manifest themselves into the minds of of people who may be mentally effected.
Ah, but you see, that's precisely neither the explicit premise of that opinion piece ("climate change discussion is making kids go crazy"), nor the implicit one ("climate change is a delusion").
Mentally ill patients will pick on whatever it is, be it climate change or stock market reports or Hello Kitty, and create some deranged fantasy in their heads based on it. Such as that his drinking of water will cause millions to die within days, or that Hello Kitty will force him into a gay marriage run by Al-Qaeda.
Go find any climate change literature (not written by a certified lunatic, that is) and show me anything that remotely implies that drinking water will cause millions to die within days.
The irony of course is that you and Andrew Bolt claim to be fighting fear-mongering and bullsh*t by spouting out more fear-mongering and bullsh*t.
But then again, this is the sort of blatant demagoguery you'd expect from someone who has to resort to fallaciously identify the climate change discussion with Al Gore (another demagogue) to debase it.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.10 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Oh, you're right. It is impossible for the weekly news reports of global warming, political debates in every nation, science debates, intentional forms of fear mongering, and statements from world leaders, and the boy's own political leader describing a future of little water, to manifest themselves into the minds of of people who may be mentally effected.
Ah, but you see, that's precisely neither the explicit premise of that opinion piece ("climate change discussion is making kids go crazy"), nor the implicit one ("climate change is a delusion").
Mentally ill patients will pick on whatever it is, be it climate change or stock market reports or Hello Kitty, and create some deranged fantasy in their heads based on it. Such as that his drinking of water will cause millions to die within days, or that Hello Kitty will force him into a gay marriage run by Al-Qaeda.
Go find any climate change literature (not written by a certified lunatic, that is) and show me anything that remotely implies that drinking water will cause millions to die within days.
The irony of course is that you and Andrew Bolt claim to be fighting fear-mongering and bullsh*t by spouting out more fear-mongering and bullsh*t.
But then again, this is the sort of blatant demagoguery you'd expect from someone who has to resort to fallaciously identify the climate change discussion with Al Gore (another demagogue) to debase it.
You should try making your argument against the physicians who named his delusion, Climate Change Delusion.
Oh no - associating proponents of anthropogenic global warming with the man who shared a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE for trying to create a consensus of global warming! Someone may go nuts because of that. The award went 50% Al Gore, 50% IPCC.
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Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.07.10 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
You should try making your argument against the physicians who named his delusion, Climate Change Delusion.
"We describe a patient with climate change delusion... The patient had also developed the belief that, due to climate change, his own water consumption could lead within days to the deaths of 'millions of people' through exhaustion of water supplies".
And if they happen to describe a schizophrenic patient who believes that everytime he inhales tobacco smoke Chutulu arises from his sleep and proceeds to devour the entire population of a random city in the American midwest, as having the "tobacco smoke" delusion, would that also mean the harms of tobacco smoke are also a delusion?
Of course not. But so far you seem to be too thick to grasp this simple concept.
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Oh no - associating proponents of anthropogenic global warming with the man who shared a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE for trying to create a consensus of global warming! Someone may go nuts because of that. The award went 50% Al Gore, 50% IPCC.
And yet, when nation leaders from all over the world discuss the measures to be taken to help curb climate change - including none other that George Bush himself - they don't do so based on "An Inconvenient Truth", do they? They do so based on what their own scientists - yes, including those employed by the White House - and what the IPCC scientists are saying.
"An Incovenient Truth", even with its flaws (playing with emotion, cherry-picking worst case scenarios, etc...) contributed to "disseminating the greater knowledge of man-made climate change", and that's what the Nobel price recognized. But Al Gore had as much of a role contributing to the scientific research behind climate change that is used today by policy makers, as I did in penning any of the Pixies' albums, no matter how much I may appreciate and proselytize those.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
2. Catastrophic Volcanic Activity. Yellowstone erupts, I'm obliviated, and the worlds food supply is utterly destroyed.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:16:00 -
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Oh, just poke at the disaster people with a simple fact. The climate has been changing since before there was even life on Earth, what made them think it would stop? :P
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Isiskhan on 10/07/2008 02:33:27
Originally by: Aloriana Jacques
Oh, just poke at the disaster people with a simple fact. The climate has been changing since before there was even life on Earth, what made them think it would stop? :P
Here's a wild new concept for you: AND.
For instance take the following two statements:
A: Climate has always been changing of its own and will always continue to do so.
B: Our research shows that the crap we keep pouring into the atmosphere and oceans is affecting and causing changes in climate.
Without the magic of AND, one would arrive at your conclusion.
But once we incorporate that word into our vernacular we have:
C: Climate has always been changing of its own and will always continue to do so AND our research shows that the crap we keep pouring into the atmosphere and oceans is affecting and causing additional changes on climate.
That wasn't hard, was it? We can't really do anything about A, but we certainly can do something about B.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Reiisha on 10/07/2008 02:56:52
Edited by: Reiisha on 10/07/2008 02:46:33
Originally by: Pwett
Hate to break it to you coastal dwellers, but the coasts are always moving. :)
Word to the wise: NEVER live near flowing water. Water can not be contained - it's nature's best solvent.
The Netherlands seems to have done quite well for the last 500 years? Except that one teeny bit in Zeeland... But at least that was taken care of :)
Oh, and OT:
If something happens, it happens. There's nothing we can do about such global scale events.
And for the doomsayers:
All those events have happened before. They will happen again. There's absolutely no point in worrying over something like this. If you're really that worried, try and use the time you think you have constructively instead of acting like a crazy beggar with a cardboard sign saying "DA WURLD IZ DOOMD".
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.10 04:14:00 -
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/me rolls an 8-sided die, that one!
and all the CO2 released from burning stuff came out of the atmosphere at some point... thats kinda what plants do.
that and the seem to find fossils on mountains.
earth is a lovely and dynamic place
/me invests in real estate about 100 miles inland, beach front here we come!!!
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.10 14:03:00 -
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Not this shit again. Here's a fact: BOTH SIDES ARE INCREDIBLY BIASED. when it comes to climate change and all that stuff.
It's true that CO2 values are off the roof because of us, but it's the freaking water-vapour that makes up for most of the whatever heating effect is called. Earth has gotten warmer -> cooler -> repeat and is right now on a -> warmer period, so it's pretty much expected that it will get hotter.
If you're so incredibly ALL OVER this BS: since you're reading this on a forum for internet space ship games it means that you're wasting power and just making it workse. Why don't you just sell all your posessions and go become a hermit in some cave instead? That'd certainly help.
If there's any problem then it's the people that's the problem - there's simply too many of them. Can't we have a WW3 or reprocess useless people into biomass for food or fertilizer instead? You know these ******ed people on wheelchairs with brain malfuctions or the people in a vegatable state? I'd certainly eat meatballs made from them.
While we're already on about world disasters, I've got high expectations on the large hardon collider. I hope something hilarious happens.
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There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.10 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 10/07/2008 19:14:33
I saw a documentary on The Discovery channel. They went the history of earth there have been multiple volcanic eruptions that were followed by distinctly colder years.
I can not find a graph that showed what they were looking at, but they had one that somehow showed the levels of CO2 and other "green house" gasses were in the atmosphere. This graph had a massive spike in the timeline post the industrial revolution. I do not fall into the doomsayers, but I find it hard to believe that human consumption of fossil fuels and other things has not had an effect on current climate changes.
NASA posts an increase in CO2 in our atmosphere as high as 25% since the 1800's. That is no small change people.
San Diego State University - Volcanic Eruptions and their effect on climate
volcano.und.edu-
Carbon Dioxide
Present-day carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from subaerial and submarine volcanoes are uncertain at the present time. Gerlach (1991) estimated a total global release of 3-4 x 10E12 mol/yr from volcanoes. This is a conservative estimate. Man-made (anthropogenic) CO2 emissions overwhelm this estimate by at least 150 times.
When you see these types of numbers and you can look at the fossil records and see drops in global temperature when historicall large volcanic eruptions it is hard to say that we are causing global warming, but I also find it hard to belive that we are not having an effect of sometype. If we are releasing massive amounts of chemicals in the air it has to be doing something.
To those that say oh we are humans, there is no way we can be responsible for these types of things because we are insignificant when it comes to the life of the earth, you are not opening eyes very wide. If what you say is true then sewage would have never caused problems for environments and chemical dumping into streams and rivers would have not caused ecological disasters. We are humans and we have an impact on our environment. Now how you handle yourself in this light is up to you. I prersonally limit waste as much as I can, I use my vehicle as little as possible, and I do many of the little things that have been suggested, but I do not go all freaky about it.
Slade
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.10 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite
stuff
I see the next Expansion:
EVE: The Freegan Four
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Pwett
CEO, Founder, & Executor
<Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Mathias Mineros
Terran Resurrection
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Posted - 2008.07.10 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Stuff
Colder temperatures after volcanic eruptions are not caused by increased CO2 it is because of volcanic dust in the atmosphere block more of the sunlight than usual. Read here about 1816 also known as the Year Without a Summer
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.10 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mathias Mineros
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Stuff
Colder temperatures after volcanic eruptions are not caused by increased CO2 it is because of volcanic dust in the atmosphere block more of the sunlight than usual. Read here about 1816 also known as the Year Without a Summer
Your are correct, I got all jumbled up while at work and new I should not have posted all that stuff when I started to get all jumbled. The main point is that we are throwing a bunch of stuff into our atmosphere which measures more then the dust and the sulphur containing gases that are emitted with large volcanic eruptions. If those eruptions caused the problems that they did, is it not reasonable to realize that all the stuff we are throwing into the atmosphere is, at the best eventually, going to have detrimental effects?
P.S. I am no global warming chest thumper. I just think that things have gotten out of hand in the past and some things need reconciling
Slade
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