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Promithius
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Promithius on 09/07/2008 21:12:01
I have noticed a trend of late that the markets for faction mods and ships has been slowing down a lot. Having spoken to people that usually buy these things it has become apparent that the reason people are buying them less is the ease at which there getting suicide ganked in empire. Typically mission runners would be the main buyers of say CNR's and gist stuff , but now they wont buy the stuff for fear of losing them leaving jita (and other trade hubs).
So i looked into it a little further,
i have not run the numbers yet myself but it seems that the cost of suicide ganking say , a cnr is in the low tens of millions, aprox 20 mil.
and ganking freighters as little as 100-200 mil , due to the ships being used to gank them being fully insured.
this has always heppend as long as i have been playing but its getting to the point where its so frequent its damaging the gameplay.
im all for being able to do anything you like , if it was up to me id bring back destructible sentry guns and remove concord spwaning, but perhaps voiding the insurance on a ship if its destroyd for criminal agression would be in order.
After all if i set my own car on fire, my insurance company arnt going to replace it for me.
I am awere there is this pre existing topic
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=815986
but i think that its to flamed and trold, and its opting to remove it compleatly , where as i believe that the mechanic simply needs to be revised. |
Promithius
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Promithius
but now they wont buy the stuff for fear of losing them leaving jita (and other trade hubs)
Originally by: Promithius
trade hubs
Solution located.
Don't get me wrong i cant stand being anywhere near them , but i don't see the game removing them. Also its not just happening around trade hubs , but in the middle of no where along jump routs between empiers , iv jumped between caldar and amarr space and seen 100+ concord spawnblobs enough to know that its not just happening in jita :)
I think its fair to say if your ship dies to concord because of sompthing you did then the insurance should be voided.
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Promithius
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Or people could just learn to use an Inty or something when picking up such mods...
Thats true but it wont make much of a difference, they scan everyone and if they can gank a freighter a haulers just as easy. |
Promithius
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:20:00 -
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Nope, it's not fair at all. I'm gonna crosspost something for ya:
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Why should someone who willingly takes his ship into a warzone (low- nul sec) get insurance? It doesn't make sense.
Why should someone who doesn't see fit to protect himself and his cargo get insurance? It doesn't make sense.
Why should someone who self-destructs his own ship get insurance? It doesn't make sense.
Why should someone who flies around in an empire war get insurance? It doesn't make sense.
Why should someone who flies a ship into a pirate hot-zone (any mission) get insurance? It doesn't make sense.
Why should someone who mines where pirates are known to lurk about (asteroid belts) get insurance? It doesn't make sense.
Why should anyone get insurance? It doesn't make sense.
Now can we please keep this topic to one thread?
While its true that under all conditions the insurance makes no scene at all , im purely suggesting this as a mechanic to reduce the problem , if you have any other ideas then feel free to express them. |
Promithius
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Promithius
Don't get me wrong i cant stand being anywhere near them , but i don't see the game removing them.
Uh, the game isn't responsible for the trade hubs.
feel free to pick apart my words and be pedantic if you like , its plain that what i mean by that is that players wont stop going to jita and rens and amarr ect to sell there stuff ot when they need to buy things.
Therefore it is not reasonable to say that trade hugs are the cause of the problem, the cause is the ease at which it can be done. |
Promithius
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:25:00 -
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Actually I do. My idea, novel as it is, is that there is no suicide ganking problem. That people are starting to think about what they fit to their ships and reduce their risk are good things. Sure, it hurts those who exclusively trade in high-end items, but overall it makes for a better game and better players.
Thats a fair point, and anything that encourages players to think in diferent ways is a good thing, but at the same time there is little that can be done to fit freighters differently. Or to avoid the jump routs between empires. |
Promithius
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:33:00 -
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i agree with you on almost all levels , im not suggesting that it should be 100% safe to do anything, removing risk removes the essence of eve.
what im getting at is that at present there is no risk in suicide ganking. you lose no money to speak of , you make at least 1000% of what you pay, in this respect it should be rebalanced. |
Promithius
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:52:00 -
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thats true of faction items ect.
but there are some things that must flow or eveythign stops (foresees manny dune quotes ahead)
the whole game runs off supply chains, they are ganking freighters full of ice , and t2 construction materials it does not matter , that stuff will still sell, and it will be worth more because less of it is getting through. |
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