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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.08.21 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: procurement specialist on 21/08/2008 16:03:44
i propose 2 teirs.
tier 1 has maybe 5km3 cargo and enough ship maintenance to haul any rigged sub cap ship. because moving a rigged ship around in empire if you can't fly it is near impossible.
teir 2 has bonus to fitting cap tractor beam and 1 high slot. you can cloak or tractor not both. give it 4-5 lows and a base of 30km3 OR 2 lows and a base of 80km3 and say cargo rigs can't work on it. enough mids for about 200k ehp. might be too much but should take prolly 2-3 bs to gank in highsec.
they should be able to work with cans because otherwise it is still a jump from a hauler to 1.5 bil rorq which takes more isk in skillbooks to train than a freighter as well.
edit and both should be teir 1 to help with insurance. losing that much cargo is already enough hurt.
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W3370Pi4
Caldari
Lords Of Kaos
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Posted - 2008.08.27 00:53:00 -
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i hope we will be able to take benefits from the transport skill
Capital mining ship idea
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AndzX11
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:51:00 -
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Give it 150`000m3 capacity, 6 high slots with 4 tractor beam hard-points.
Maybe some sort of salvage range bonus or something like that too. Something useful. Or perhaps give them a bonus to agility and I mean 10% so that they warp 2x faster than the large freighters(150m3 and 1 million m3 hence the better agility).
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:02:00 -
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I would like the ship to have a ship maintenance bay, large enough for cruiser and battlecruiser.
This would ferrying rigged T2 ships much easier in Empire and give the new Hauler a unique role.
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Pliauga
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.28 09:59:00 -
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Signed.
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telxkiskisrowr
The Greater Goon
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.09 16:27:00 -
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would be very nice for the smaller people out here. even if you are in a big alliance much of your efforts are from personal supplies.
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Jorroo
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.09.09 17:50:00 -
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Give it 50kM3 agility of a frieghter and 5 low slots required skill is Trainsport Ship V
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.09.09 18:42:00 -
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it should be t1 so no t2 requirements here. also no non-t2 ship requires a l5 in teh previous to fly. that is like saying you should need caldari frigate and crusier V before you can even train caldari bs 1.
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TimMc
Gallente
SolaR KillerS
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Posted - 2008.09.09 21:33:00 -
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Something inbetween industrial and freighter would be nice, but its not really necessary.
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.09.10 16:23:00 -
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 Originally by: TimMc
Something inbetween industrial and freighter would be nice, but its not really necessary.
the enitre point of this thread is that a 100m rigged uninsurable ittyV with 38km3 (18km3 unrigged and 5m tops) and a 750km3 freighter costing 900m-1bil is too big a jump.
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Rob Buie
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: procurement specialist
tier 1 has maybe 5km3 cargo and enough ship maintenance to haul any rigged sub cap ship. because moving a rigged ship around in empire if you can't fly it is near impossible.
You realise that a km^3 is 1000m * 1000m * 1000m, thats 1,000,000,000 m^3. What unit could you possibly mean? 5000m^3 is obviously an industrial, and something that can just manage to squeeze in an unpackaged battleship (sub cap) is already in place, its the Freighter. |
procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.09.10 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: procurement specialist on 10/09/2008 21:03:56
Originally by: Rob Buie
Originally by: procurement specialist
tier 1 has maybe 5km3 cargo and enough ship maintenance to haul any rigged sub cap ship. because moving a rigged ship around in empire if you can't fly it is near impossible.
You realise that a km^3 is 1000m * 1000m * 1000m, thats 1,000,000,000 m^3. What unit could you possibly mean? 5000m^3 is obviously an industrial, and something that can just manage to squeeze in an unpackaged battleship (sub cap) is already in place, its the Freighter.
A rigged ship MUST be assembled. only packaged, non-assembled ships can be put into cargo. packaging a rigged ship destroys the rigs. assembled ships can only go into a sma ship maintenance array.
the 5km3 is for fittings to move with your ship.
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TordenSkiold
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Posted - 2008.09.10 23:18:00 -
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Supported.
But this ship type should not be able to carry ore or containers containing ore (that function is already spoken for).
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Khanid MMVIII
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Posted - 2008.09.11 09:44:00 -
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First, i do not think this is a great idea of bringing in another ship that can transport large amounts of cargo.
Lets first focus ourselves on fixing the JF:
1. Give THAT ship a possibility to fit rigs or a cap.tractor beam.
2. Give it low or med slots to fit something of a tank. Flying a 4 billion isk ship with NO slots is scary. I know there is some logic behind this, so flame me for that :P
3. If you are really going through with this: first boost the JF with first 2 points :P
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.09.12 00:20:00 -
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a non-rigged itty V gets 18km3. a max rigged ittyV gets 38km3. the smallest freighter is 750km3. there needs to be something in between there man. that doesn't cost nearly a billion and is insurable.
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2008.10.04 08:19:00 -
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No, no and NO.
I fly a Freighter myself and fly the T2 Amarr Indys and I say NO to this. If you make a ship bigger than the Impel, you will easily nerf the Freighter. I can't state the reasons until I see the actual stats, but it most likely nerf the Freighter and especially the Jump Freighter. Leave it be CCP.
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Col Callahan
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.04 10:56:00 -
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Signed/
I support the implementation of a ship type that has 400k space in its haul and can use cans, capital tractor beams would be a plus but cost has to be half of a normal freighter, like 450mill.
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Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.10.04 11:33:00 -
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Could start off by giving the Caldari & Amarr an Industrial that is competitive with the Iteron V and then something 'in between'.
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Kyritu
Septum et Trigentium L.L.C.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Penchance
It seems the thread is divided roughly into those who want a slightly bigger industrial ship and those who want a slightly bigger industrial ship will all the tractor bells and jump whistles attached.
I propose a new class: Heavy Industrial
Its T1 incarnation would just be a miniature freighter with enough cargo space to hold a couple of General Freight Containers.
It would then have two T2 options: Deep Space Logistics or Jumpbridge Transport
Deep Space Logistics would allow interaction with cans, mounting of Capital Tractor Beams and other equipment (e.g. for tanking). The trade-off being that the additional power grid and CPU requirements means that cargo capacity is cut by perhaps half.
Jumpbridge Transport would be analogous to an Airbridge and - as the name suggests - would install a jump drive into the ship to allow it to pass through blockades. Again, cargo space would be halved to account for the increased systems requirement.
Skill-wise, there's no reason why Freighters should have anything to do with this. Heavy Industrial could (or should be) a skill dependent on Industrial, perhaps requiring Industrial 4 but Advanced Spaceship Command 1.
The T1 variant is just a big ship so we should be forgiving when it comes to skills but the T2 variants should require quite a few level fives besides Heavy Industrial 5 (obviously).
Sounds like an awesome idea to me. My alt would still fly a freighter when needed but this gives more fun options and avoids some risks of losing such a huge investment.
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Slab Drinklots
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Posted - 2008.10.10 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Slab Drinklots on 10/10/2008 13:31:44
Why complicate things, just make a BS sized hauler class.
Just like a normal hauler, price around 50-150M isk etc. A simple stepping stone towards the freighters.
If you want to do fancy jumping cloaking omghax ships, make a T2 variant.
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.10.13 02:34:00 -
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was there a prayer of this making it out in the december industrial patch?
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.10.13 05:03:00 -
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-Tier 3 transport? Would be ideal I think. Currently there's like no reason to train transport above 1.
-no cloak option so it isnt used to get through blockade of any kind.
-use of cans would be reasonable.
-tractor beam single would be best.
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:17:00 -
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why does everyone want to make it a friggin t2 ship?
on second thought just give me whatever ships rats can fly that drops a 20m trit load and can loot.
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loki gallach
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:34:00 -
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You had the perfect ship for the job. And you put it in low sec only. Where it now sits at a pos, compressing ore. Or used as a hauler. What a sad end for a great idea. Used in empire it would have been the centerpiece of mining operations, And provided a way for meduim sized corps to dip their toes in low sec. With out the Full blown (TIME) commitmant of a pos. also would have been used for exploration I.E grav sites
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:23:00 -
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well the orca is going to be a cap ship. likely like the freighter that can use gates because i don't see what purpose a second a second jump capable ore capital would serve but meh.
here's to having to go spend the billion isk on cap ship skill books still. it was a significant part of the barrier to entry. i really hope these mini-freighters don't take more than 500m in books.
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:09:00 -
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I'd really like to see more specialized transport ships.
Strontium Haulers, Race specific isotope haulers, mineral haulers and so forth. Would make hauling a bit more interesting without destroying logistical difficulties even more (like JBs and JFs have).
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