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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai seems that you fail to admit that some things need change too...
Got your gank on? ;)
I look forward to the day that gankers have their risk raised... No insurance for Concord reactions to criminal events. It has been a long time coming.
Doubt that'll ever happen. CCP aren't dumbasses. They're just tired of whines. They're gonna throw the whiners a bone and shut them up for a month.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 10/07/2008 17:09:26 I would guess there's not more than one person on the CSM that has ever suicide ganked for a profit. I would also guess that not more than 3 people who have posted in this thread have ever suicide ganked at all.
How you think a fair solution can be achieved by people that have no idea what suicide ganking is like is beyond me, but that seems to be a perpetual theme of the CSM.
Live in empire your entire life? You're qualified to talk about PvP balance issues and Titans! Never manage a POS in your life? I know I want you to speak for the community as to how POS mechanics can me reworked to be more fun! Don't Do Factional Warfare? I can't wait to hear how you think it can be improved. ---
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Lurana Lay
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:13:00 -
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Glad they are finally commenting on this but, barring possible Insurance payout changes, I don't see much changing as the game is riddled with endless alts.
Yeah, yeah I know recycling alts is against the EULA. But like that matters to anyone that suicide-ganks.
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Blydchyld
Caldari Galactic Extensive Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 10/07/2008 17:09:26 I would guess there's not more than one person on the CSM that has ever suicide ganked for a profit. I would also guess that not more than 3 people who have posted in this thread have ever suicide ganked at all.
How you think a fair solution can be achieved by people that have no idea what suicide ganking is like is beyond me, but that seems to be a perpetual theme of the CSM.
Live in empire your entire life? You're qualified to talk about PvP balance issues and Titans! Never manage a POS in your life? I know I want you to speak for the community as to how POS mechanics can me reworked to be more fun! Don't Do Factional Warfare? I can't wait to hear how you think it can be improved.
I'm sorry, but you may as well close this thread now, there is NOTHING else that can be said that has not been covered above.
epic post!
I LIKE ARK!
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KHEN
IGNITION.
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Posted - 2008.07.10 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: KHEN on 10/07/2008 18:00:42 lowsec : no more miners, a place where pirates fight each other in various sized gangs nullsec : the facebook place : "- hello, do you recognize me ? - oh yes, you are blue, am I blue to you ? - Yes M8, fly safe, oohhh wait this shuttle is neutral let's blob it !". Nullsec IS kitty online, a safe place where peeps grant autorizations to each other and sometimes show their muscle on forums highsec : the last place where to have fun : suicide ganking seems fun but shouldn't all these mighty pvp'ers be doing something more...courageous ? everywhere : no more solo pvp ?
I'm not a good pvper and haven't really played EVE for more than 8 months now. But if I had time to do some PvP, I'd choose hisec piracy because it seems that there ain't much fun elsewhere in EVE nowadays. Poor EVE
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.10 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi
Originally by: Ki An ... Some useless Pro-Piewrat drivel ...
All you've stated is that you think the Piewrat style should rule over other playstyles. People wishing to leech off of others can easily take their playstyle to low-sec or 0.0 - oh, but wait: Someone might actually fight back there. Meanwhile, the CareBears have no where else to go but Empire.
If the Piewrats insist on invading Empire space and have found a game mechanic that allows them Reward without any Risk then that game mechanic needs to be changed. Not eliminated, just adjusted so that Risk vs. Reward is properly balanced.
Your argument is anologous to someone who says "I'm going to be a big-game hunter and help rid the world of these ferocious man-eating beasts!"
Then they load up an Uzi and head to the Zoo.
Quoted For Truth
Having said that, even if all the purposed changes make it in, suicide ganking will not go away entirely, NOR SHOULD IT. Hopefully it will return the balanced in high Sec to what it was a year or two ago before the massive grown in suicide ganking.
And for those who disagree that there has been massive growth, CCP has the data, and they say its become a problem that it did NOT used be.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.07.10 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Please join the Caldari Militia with your main's corp and I'll be happy to show you how much "a carbear" this CSM rep is
Hey Jade, Did I miss something? I thought that you all were Equal opportunity anarchists...you know we don't care who we only only target Corps that seem effective regardless of faction (or words to that effect) So now your admitting that you all are targeting only Caldari FW and not every FW corps in general or did I miss something? ---------------------------------------- Happiness is a Wet Pod
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Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.10 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
So, this is CCP telling us that piracy is a less valid playstyle than endless mission running, and that mission runners, on top of high income, low risk and high standings, should be tougher to gank.
GG.
please contract me your tears. tyia.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.10 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 10/07/2008 17:09:26 I would guess there's not more than one person on the CSM that has ever suicide ganked for a profit. I would also guess that not more than 3 people who have posted in this thread have ever suicide ganked at all.
How you think a fair solution can be achieved by people that have no idea what suicide ganking is like is beyond me, but that seems to be a perpetual theme of the CSM.
Live in empire your entire life? You're qualified to talk about PvP balance issues and Titans! Never manage a POS in your life? I know I want you to speak for the community as to how POS mechanics can me reworked to be more fun! Don't Do Factional Warfare? I can't wait to hear how you think it can be improved.
The CSM is made up of elected officials. It's not our fault that those who are pro-suicide ganking aren't a large enough demographic to get a candidate elected that supports them. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.07.10 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Ki An
So, this is CCP telling us that piracy is a less valid playstyle than endless mission running, and that mission runners, on top of high income, low risk and high standings, should be tougher to gank.
GG.
please contract me your tears. tyia.
It's funny, the tears of "gankbears" should be something I savour. As much as the opposite crowd professes their love of "carebear tears", that should give legitimacy to such glee on my part as well.
But no, I am incapable of enjoying anyones tears, even when I feel it would be justified, and even when they are long overdue.
Funny, that. As in peculiar, of course.
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Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.07.10 19:27:00 -
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Bring on trade able killrights. And make some kind of system-wide market mechanism for the actual trading. 24-hour delay on taking effect, of course, to prevent surprise ganking.
It's overdue for bounty hunting to get wheels and a motor.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.07.10 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gort Bring on trade able killrights. And make some kind of system-wide market mechanism for the actual trading. 24-hour delay on taking effect, of course, to prevent surprise ganking.
It's overdue for bounty hunting to get wheels and a motor.
G
I agree that this part of the proposal actually has some merit, and it would improve the game in many ways. However, this is like an piece of chocolate in a pile of crap. The chocolate might taste nice, but it's still covered in crap.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.10 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 10/07/2008 17:09:26 I would guess there's not more than one person on the CSM that has ever suicide ganked for a profit. I would also guess that not more than 3 people who have posted in this thread have ever suicide ganked at all.
How you think a fair solution can be achieved by people that have no idea what suicide ganking is like is beyond me, but that seems to be a perpetual theme of the CSM.
Live in empire your entire life? You're qualified to talk about PvP balance issues and Titans! Never manage a POS in your life? I know I want you to speak for the community as to how POS mechanics can me reworked to be more fun! Don't Do Factional Warfare? I can't wait to hear how you think it can be improved.
The CSM is made up of elected officials. It's not our fault that those who are pro-suicide ganking aren't a large enough demographic to get a candidate elected that supports them.
Since only a small minority actually voted they only represent the minority. But still it doesnt have anything to do with what Dungar Loghoth was saying.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.07.10 23:56:00 -
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What a joke.
It's only possible to get suicide ganked if you make a mistake.
It's like a tax for being stupid.
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Aphoticus
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:00:00 -
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I think CCP is looking at it from a live universe, role-playing bent and not what would please one person or another.
We should concider what is being brought to the table from a perspective of role-play, much like a game master, and ask ourselves, leaving the selfish reasoning out of it, do these changes make role-playing sense?
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Noelle Fay don't nerf it. bigger sec hit maybe, but leave it at that.
seriously, this is not hello kitty online.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 10/07/2008 17:09:26 I would guess there's not more than one person on the CSM that has ever suicide ganked for a profit. I would also guess that not more than 3 people who have posted in this thread have ever suicide ganked at all.
How you think a fair solution can be achieved by people that have no idea what suicide ganking is like is beyond me, but that seems to be a perpetual theme of the CSM.
Live in empire your entire life? You're qualified to talk about PvP balance issues and Titans! Never manage a POS in your life? I know I want you to speak for the community as to how POS mechanics can me reworked to be more fun! Don't Do Factional Warfare? I can't wait to hear how you think it can be improved.
The CSM is made up of elected officials. It's not our fault that those who are pro-suicide ganking aren't a large enough demographic to get a candidate elected that supports them.
Since only a small minority actually voted they only represent the minority. But still it doesnt have anything to do with what Dungar Loghoth was saying.
Those elected represent those that took the effort to vote, and CCP did their best to let everyone in the game know that it was going on short of modal popup windows. If the pro-suicide ganking crowd is ****ed that the anti-suicide ganking crowd has more influence, it's because that they didn't care enough to put forward or support the candidates of their choice. How is that anyone else's fault? It's certainly not the current CSM membership's. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:27:00 -
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In my opinion, without having read the entire thread, the bulk of the issue comes from where the resources come from for the suicide gankers. Without much effort to point out, this is the null sec areas.
As has been stated, mining in null sec is not only lucrative, but essential for the alliances there, not only that, as pointed out, there are rats down there that by killing them brings ones rep up within a matter of several days.
The issue isnt that there arnt enough deturrets, but that resources are too readily available in certain areas of the game. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 10/07/2008 17:09:26 I would guess there's not more than one person on the CSM that has ever suicide ganked for a profit. I would also guess that not more than 3 people who have posted in this thread have ever suicide ganked at all.
How you think a fair solution can be achieved by people that have no idea what suicide ganking is like is beyond me, but that seems to be a perpetual theme of the CSM.
Live in empire your entire life? You're qualified to talk about PvP balance issues and Titans! Never manage a POS in your life? I know I want you to speak for the community as to how POS mechanics can me reworked to be more fun! Don't Do Factional Warfare? I can't wait to hear how you think it can be improved.
The CSM is made up of elected officials. It's not our fault that those who are pro-suicide ganking aren't a large enough demographic to get a candidate elected that supports them.
Since only a small minority actually voted they only represent the minority. But still it doesnt have anything to do with what Dungar Loghoth was saying.
Those elected represent those that took the effort to vote, and CCP did their best to let everyone in the game know that it was going on short of modal popup windows. If the pro-suicide ganking crowd is ****ed that the anti-suicide ganking crowd has more influence, it's because that they didn't care enough to put forward or support the candidates of their choice. How is that anyone else's fault? It's certainly not the current CSM membership's.
You apparently missed the real issue again.
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Exlegion
New Light Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet Since only a small minority actually voted they only represent the minority. But still it doesnt have anything to do with what Dungar Loghoth was saying.
And who's fault is that? How do you make sense of your own "logic"?
And before you come in with the "I didn't like any of the candidates" crap you can always enter yourself and run for CSM. And before you come in with "the whole CSM idea is stupid" and go a full circle with your "logic" then stop posting on "stupid CSM threads" and do go on with your life. You have no one but yourself to blame so please stop it with these ridiculous excuses.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet You apparently missed the real issue again.
By all means, enlighten me. There is another point based on ignorance of how representative democracy works, but I didn't think it terribly important to address it. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Khrillian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:55:00 -
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Let's all just go and play some Hello Kitty Online
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Star Chief
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.11 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet Since only a small minority actually voted they only represent the minority.
In a true democracy, yes (Switzerland?). In a representative democracy, no (United States). In 1992, Bill Clinton won with less than 50% of the sliver of the population that even bothered to vote. Didn't stop him from getting stuff done (and other things).
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.11 01:13:00 -
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suicide ganking is kinda weak imo, but its eve. eat or be eaten.
so, how do we make it NOT weak and a more fair and acceptable profession? like the man said earlier, dont nerf stuff to crap and make it impossible for ppl to gank... MAKE Bounty hunting a real and obtainable profession. and do it in a way that it can be a good recourse for the suicide gank (among many many other things including "hey, i just dont like this guy")
Something contingent on a track record. in example: bounty hunter can nail anyone using current pvp mechanics in lowsec/0.0 , bounty hunter has likelihood / odds / whatever of concord 'looking the other way' when they hunt a high profile multiple offender in high sec.
its eve. dont nerf ganking, just fight fire w/ fire
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Zinras
Caldari Order of draugr
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Posted - 2008.07.11 01:26:00 -
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Edited by: Zinras on 11/07/2008 01:26:09 While I do find the amount of ganker crying funny, considering their normal forum behavior, I don't think CCP should nerf it into oblivion.
Tradeable killrights + low insurance payouts if CONCORDed while taking part in a kill could be a couple of simple solutions without breaking it for innocents that accidentally shoot someone or is tricked into it by auto targetting etc.
It could start some bounty hunter corps up or at the very least provide great work for current merc corps at a cheaper rate, since the mercs won't have to suicide their ships.
/0.02 ISK
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.11 01:29:00 -
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Tradeable kill rights = cool Sec loss for every ganker particpating for ship kill = fine Sec loss depending on sec status of target = fine Criminals out of NPC corps = whatever Insurance payouts modified for suicide ganking = WTF???
If you intend to modify insurance or NPC corps, you ned to look at the ENTIRE mechanic and not just one small aspect.
I am very disappointed in the CSM for bringing up this topic, suicide ganking is extremely rare in EVE and really only matters to dumb carebears who want to autopilot in high sec with billions of isk in cargo making isk without any competition or even being at their computer. Lame.
However I fully expect CCP to change mechanics the right way. Hi-sec being safer, not safe is a key game mechanic CCP loves to have and suicide ganking is pretty much the main thing keeping hi-sec being safer and not 100% safe. No way will CCP completely take out insurance for suiciding ships. --
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.07.11 01:30:00 -
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Locked.
Please don't cross-post, getting your view across to the devs is much easier for all concerned if you stay in the designated thread, linked in the original post.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang |
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