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Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.11 23:57:00 -
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So far I'm the only one of my friends to experience this, but I get it without fail, every time I play eve now.
I launch eve, and while I'm in dock I am fine. I undock, play around (mission or just fly around) and then dock again. The instant I go to dock again I am hit by crazy lag that causes EVE to go extremely slow (it stutters doing anything). The lag affects my entire computer (Windows Vista x64 Ultimate). I've never had this before and I have no idea why it just started after the latest patch.
My system runs a core 2 duo at 2.6ghz, 4gb of ram, plenty of hdd space (sata 2) and an nvidia 8600gts. I have premium gfx and AA enabled but I've run this gfx setup for a while now with no problems until now (so I know the gfx settings aren't causing the lag).
Once I've docked and got the lag (and my entire system is affected), undocking or anything won't fix it. Sometimes undocking and staying in space does fix it, but if I dock again the lag is back (while in dock).
Anyone else experiencing this? Anyone know how to fix this or what's causing it?
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nutbar
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.12 20:40:00 -
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Nope, not hard drive related. The system runs just peachy and I've performed scandisks to check for any minor problems. EVE doesn't really write much data except for the game logs anyways, and if it were having problems I'd notice system errors (of which there aren't any for that).
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Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.13 03:56:00 -
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Further checking shows that when docked and experiencing this lag, EVE is using about 50%+ CPU and is around 650MB of ram on my system.
I think this is a graphical problem - but it only started since the hotfix for having the cache setting actually work (which was a few patches ago). I've submitted a bug report (submitted another one before which I didn't know was related to this one, but it's exactly the same thing) - just wondering if I'm the only one with this or what...
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nutbar
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:38:00 -
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Babo, you described pretty much *exactly* what I'm experiencing. I've cleared the cache a few times, tried messing with gfx settings here and there (I have AA to 16x though and I have not tried tuning that down yet - that's my next step).
I have filed a bug report and got a response from a BH saying they can't reproduce it and need more info. I have tried reproducing it a few times and so far I haven't been able to when the logserver is running which sucks.
Babo - the CPU spike is exactly what I notice too. When you're docked and you get the unbelievable lag (I'm not sure what my FPS is, but 7fps sounds about right) the CPU runs around 50% or more. Right now I have my cache set to high and it uses about 650-700MB of ram when I see this bug happening. As you say, tried changing the cache levels and it doesn't make a difference (restarted client too to make sure it took effect).
If anyone who gets this problem can capture logs showing the problem, we might get closer to a fix for it - however I'm certain it's something that was introduced after patch 56866 (it first started when one of the two hotfixes were applied, and has been apparent since then).
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Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:41:00 -
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 Originally by: CCP Mindstar
What is your cache size setting? (Check this by pressing Esc and look in the Display and Graphics tab)
If you change this setting, does it have any effect on the problem you are experiencing?
No, this doesn't seem to make a difference, however the first hotfix that tried to make that setting actually work is when this problem first became apparent. Perhaps there's a problem with the "fix" that makes that setting work now?
I'm more than willing to try and get you any logs you need to help fix this problem - it really sucks having to quit every time you dock just to get rid of the lag.
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Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.18 02:09:00 -
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No, this is running just one client and I'm getting this problem, however the two problems sound very, very similar - I wouldn't doubt if they are somehow related.
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nutbar
Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.24 03:18:00 -
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One common thing between us all appears to be the nVidia graphics cards 8000 series. Perhaps it's something to do with that... I've been trying to run the logserver and catch EVE with this bug but no luck yet since I'm having a tougher time reproducing it now that I removed the latest hotfix patch.
If we could get a Dev to look in to this issue more it would be VERY helpful, since there is certainly a problem here!
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nutbar
Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.24 20:38:00 -
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It's not the tracking IR thing - that's disabled for me and I've never enabled it.
I don't believe it's related to that "video card killer" thread - my system has no overheating problems and the first sign of a video card being overworked (as the OP describes) is that it would overheat.
The problem is completely solved by restarting the client, and usually by just undocking and going in to space (oddly enough with way more things to draw and such). It doesn't seem to be directly related to video card issues at all. It seems like EVE is somehow flooding the *CPU* instead, which indirectly causes lag visually because the CPU pre-renders some data apparently (so if the CPU is flooded with other requests, video will lag since it can't pre-render some video data before the GPU gets it). That's my take on it anyways - there's a setting in the nVidia CPL that says how many frames are pre-rendered by the CPU before the GPU gets them (and says setting it higher makes low FPS games smoother - I have it set to the default of 3) which is where I'm coming up with this assumption.
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Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dominique Vasilkovsky
I have had a similar issue with my 8800 + vista 64. The fix is simple, just alt-tab out of eve and back in again. Graphics lag be gone.
I play in windowed mode - alt tabbing is being done all the time (well, not actually alt-tabbing, but I swap to different apps constantly). Doesn't fix this particular problem.
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nutbar
Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:37:00 -
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I have read somewhere as to what that present interval setting does - it's apparently for vsync. Setting it to default is whatever your video card defaults to, immediate is vsync off, and the other setting is vsync enabled... so yes, setting it to something other than immediate will probably drop your FPS since vsync tends to do that.
I have no vsync enabled though - I've tried interval default and immediate and since they're already what I use, no change in FPS or this bug. Thankfully I have recently experienced the bug while running the logserver so CCP now has some logfiles to rummage through with this bug hopefully logged in the events.
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Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 05:33:00 -
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Another update - I have tried disabling the "load station environment" setting in the client, and it apparently makes no difference in the CPU usage when encountering this bug, so it's certainly not visual GPU lag or anything... it's something with CPU specifically.
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Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.30 17:59:00 -
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I've potentially found a fix!
I don't know about the rest of you, but I run EVE in windowed mode. I experienced the bug again today and tried various gfx setting changes in EVE, and setting EVE to fullscreen mode fixed it!
My FPS was 17 in dock, and CPU usage was at 42% avg. Once I went to fullscreen my FPS went to 66 and my CPU usage dropped down to the usual 2%. Seems like it's something relating to that specific setting for me - hopefully this fixes it for others too.
BTW - after flipping to fullscreen I went back to windowed mode and the bug was still "fixed". So, if you get this problem, flip to fullscreen and then out again and it should be OK - no more need to restart EVE.
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Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 03:10:00 -
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HDR is an advanced graphic setting, and enabling it will make your video card work a lot harder (it makes surfaces appear to be much more "shiny" and the reflections appear more realistic).
Personally I do not use HDR, so not sure if that makes our problems different or not (esp since you mention you run in fullscreen all the time).
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Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kalmanaka
This is related to the whiteout bug. Whenever your fps drops or you get whiteout then use the fix in the OP, or you can lock your desktop then when you return it will be fixed.
This is a very old bug that doesn't affect enough people to be a priority so just do the lock desktop trick whenever it happens. Every once in a while eve will crash though, so don't do it if you absolutely cannot crash. Wait till you're safe.
What some people may think they're experiencing is just lag, thus they may just ***** to themselves/others in game and not report anything. The number of people who actually experience problems in the game and report them may also be very low - people may not know what the problem is or how to report it properly, or may not even read the forums.
You can't say that just because only a handfull have reported a problem that it's a small problem. An issue such as this one, which may be tied in with the core graphics systems in the game should be dealt with as if it were a normal graphical engine problem. Some memory leaks may take days to be noticable - doesn't mean they're any less of a problem as a huge memory leak. A leak is a leak, and they should all be fixed regardless of size. It's not the size of the bug that should dictate it's priority, it's WHERE the bug happens in the program that should dictate it's priority. This is coming from a programmer and debugger. |
nutbar
Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.29 12:57:00 -
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Just an update to let anyone who's affected by this problem know that the bughunters have officially filtered my bug report for the last time. I can't give them any more information on this bug that I haven't already given them. If anyone else has 100% reproducable steps, please provide them so I can re-open my bug report.
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Caldari
Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.01 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aprudena Gist
This happens because eve doesn't even try to limit the number of fps the station is rendering and makes you computer go all nuts turn off in station rendering or turn on vsyc from an external thing like your nvida control panel since there is no in game option to turn on vsync.
Incorrect. This problem was never apparent for the past 2 or so years I have been playing eve with vsync off. I have always played games without vsync (used to find gameplay smoother without vsync). I have since turned on vsync for EVE and yet still have this problem, so it is unrelated to vsync being enabled or disabled.
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