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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:23:00 -
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OMG NO I HAET UUUUU (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Shadow XII
Black Matte
11
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:30:00 -
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tomd741 wrote:[quote=FloppieTheBanjoClown][quote=Amun Khonsu]This isn't a bunch of no-risk PVPers whining because we're having a harder time shooting stuff on Jita 4-4. We're looking for honest fights. rofl. yes., cause "honest fights" are getting new players into your corp and ganking them, suiciding miners, killing incursions ppl,griefing, etc. Yeah right
^. Griefing is not PvP. Griefing is a self-compensation effort made by lonely neckbeards with a superiority complex. The OP post is a testament to this, the rage about one's ability to be a schoolyard bully taken away and the resulting power trip at gathering support and funding for a 'crime spree'.
And don't say you're looking for honest fights. Ever. Honest, fair fights do not exist, from high-sec ganks to 0.0 fleets, fair fights have never and will never exist. At least the OP post has the balls to say "I am a griefer." instead of making up some lunatic self-justification about looking for 'fair fights'. You're not; stop saying it.
That said, I don't agree with griefing being nerfed. I don't like how mercanaries have been forced to shut down, and I don't like how lying, cheating, stealing and murdering has become more and more difficult, because that's just not fair. You can't wave your hand in the real world and just disable crime and dishonesty.
So, have fun. It doesn't affect me either way but that's my two cents - I think you're dickheads and losers but you should be allowed to do be dickheads and losers without the devs stepping in and locking down what you enjoy paying them to do. |
Sai Nunnie
Dagger Brigade Pirate Coalition
3
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:36:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:You seem to be confusing ganks and fights. We want both those things, but ganking mission runners is just that, ganks.
We don't confuse the two, and neither should you.
Our man Slimy Worm, for instance. Great ganker, mediocre fighter.
This ^^^, I have recently started ramping up my lifestyle of crime and popped a few in high sec. Moving permanently to low sec very soon. And there is a huge difference between ganks and PVP, I got home from work and decided I wanted to waste a couple Nado's I had laying around (Bad Day at work and hopeing for some tears), so I warped to a few belts found a hulk, and popped the hulk and his pod no ryme or reason.
I could care less about the isk as It was a stress reliever for me, now I will try and go to low sec and kill till I start blinking.....I am a very mediocore PVP'er but I like sploding peeps with my $15 a month.
Ganks are just that ganks, some do it for kicks (Me) some for profit, some meh not sure. High sec has been getting safer and safer and with Dec shield, Neaut RR ect. ect. good, real fights in high sec are far and few between in a game that (On the tin) advertises free game play and most of all PVP. When we try and War dec to get good fights yall run to the dec shield or corp hop and/or neaut RR to death. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
2
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:21:00 -
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To me, all the nerf's are not necessary. It is making Hi sec a lazy community. Not having to learn anything about safety in space. This is a bad thing for EVE lovers, but a great thing for WoW refugees.
I think the problems lies in how easy it is to kill Indy's. Not in how they are killed. Not having a chance to get out or fight back is not PVP. Give Indy's a fighting chance to survive. Giving them an abilty to insta warp through a module hi or low slot. this has several effects. it gives them survivability at the cost of profit. They have to work to survive still. and you dont need to nerf everything. The indy pilot has the choice and his choice effects the outcome. If he loses his ship then it was his fault
We have a policy in our corp and I know a lot of corps have it. When we are WD we do not fly indy's. Flying indy's while WD should be punished. Not given the abilty to remove the WD so you can fly them. 1 week of WD is not going to hurt your income. CCP should be making INDY's part of the community. Forcing them to make decisions. not holding their hand.
If i decide to fly my Frieghter with 20 bill worth of goodies. I should be able to be punished for doing it. but also give me the abilty to survive a gank too.
tl:dr give Indy's something to fight bk with |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
146
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:14:00 -
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If you want to fight back, I've seen some hilarious Battle Badgers and Battle Itties.
But what you're really asking for is the ability to survive at the expense of cargo space. You have it! An Iteron V has *eight* lowslots. Mashing some tank in there will make you much harder to gank.
Or grab a blockade runner. Those little bastards can be tough! Most suicide gankers, unless they're set up for large targets, won't even bother. Especially if it's got some tank on it. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:16:00 -
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rareden wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:WTB:Risk free pvp. Read my post from earlier today. WTB: PVP that can't be rolled over by a roaming blob interupting a good fight. Also WTB: Fixes to neutral RR and other such nonsense that makes highsec PVP far more stupid than it needs to be. WTB agro timer for logi and if you want to buy risk free pvp jake, go roll in some 20 man blobs killing ratters Sigh,I really don't know what to say to that. You know what I meant right? |
ElCholo
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
80
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:27:00 -
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Hey Monk,
I'm glad to see that someone is trying to bring attention to what the roid whores and mission whores have been spreading their legs for to CCP. I say this, because it seems like CCP keeps meeting their demands like they are married to them. Yet, the rest of us are just their bitches on the side, to be bent over and f*cked each chance that they get.
Sincerely, Cholo
PS. I have a free faction battleship ship of your choice (no, not the super rare silly expensive ones, the ones that are around 1B or so) to hand out to the winner of whatever mean action sounds fun and you chose. I'll bug you on your TS Tuesday about it. |
ElCholo
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
80
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:40:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote: tl:dr give Indy's something to fight bk with
The visual I have here is this, a over the road truck driver is driving along. Say, in Syria, where it's not really safe. What's he going to do to defend himself? Hire mercs to ride convoy with him to defend himself. This is what I see as low sec.
Now, imaging high sec being... oh, let's say Canada. You're driving your rig, and just in case, you have a shotgun for protection (the one high slot on the badger) and a bad guy rolls up (not in a tank, not really feasible in Canada I guess) and he has six buddies with him, all toting sub-machine guns. They shoot out your tires (warp scram?) and want your haul.... nuff said... high sec.
Police are there to help you (concord), however, they aren't going to let you carry a RPG just because they can't be there every minnute to hold your hand. :)
Can you tell I'm on pain killers? lol I like that story. :D |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:41:00 -
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ElCholo wrote:Hey Monk,
I'm glad to see that someone is trying to bring attention to what the roid whores and mission whores have been spreading their legs for to CCP. I say this, because it seems like CCP keeps meeting their demands like they are married to them. Yet, the rest of us are just their bitches on the side, to be bent over and f*cked each chance that they get.
Sincerely, Cholo
PS. I have a free faction battleship ship of your choice (no, not the super rare silly expensive ones, the ones that are around 1B or so) to hand out to the winner of whatever mean action sounds fun and you chose. I'll bug you on your TS Tuesday about it.
Yo dude! I'm real happy for you and mma let you finish... But Goons have one the best hisec interdictions of all time! One the best hisec interdictions of all time! |
ElCholo
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
80
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:51:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Yo dude! I'm real happy for you and mma let you finish... But Goons have one the best hisec interdictions of all time! One the best hisec interdictions of all time!
I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say... |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:53:00 -
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You don't see Goons posting about how hard it is to do things 'their' way. They just go out and do it. |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
146
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Posted - 2012.03.20 05:41:00 -
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Goons aren't coming up with clever grief. They're using the same old tools of... mostly just suicide ganks.
I mean, they're one of the largest alliances in the game, so they do it to incredible effect, but it's not exactly high-powered Kung Fu they're using to do it.
I would even go so far as to say that they havn't had any really clever grief since Kartoon was running the Jihad.
Believe me, if they were actually coming up with interesting **** and having it slapped down by CCP, the CSM campaigns would have a very different focus.
tl;dr Goons have jumped the shark. |
Dorn Val
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
25
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Posted - 2012.03.20 07:20:00 -
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It's funny: I don't play any other game but this one because I like the risks. At the same time I'm not in the game to prey on the weak. Complaining about changes that make it harder for you to suicide gank or can flip someone is like... well...
Complaining that someone held you back from beating up a cripple...
The solution, the one that probably won't be implemented because it would take too much work, is to change the mechanics for PVE and PVP so that ships for both activities are fitted the same.
As for small gang PVP: Get into W space. It's null sec without all the bullshit politics. You get to use all the gear with no restrictions, shoot anything that lands on grid without GCC, and there are limits on how much mass can pass through a worm hole (so no blobs). As an extra added bonus you'll actually be shooting at people that have the skills and fitting knowledge to fight back -no more beating up the crippled kids... Just like there is no I in Team there is no Fair in Eve... |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2012.03.20 08:09:00 -
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Point taken,Monk. |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.20 13:52:00 -
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I agree with the OP. As someone who has never pirated, griefed, ganked, scammed or even smack talked in local I think the nerfing of the criminal lifestyle in Eve is getting out of hand. One of the reasons I like Eve is that even in high security space it's not really safe. If CCP continues to make it difficult and unattractive for the scumbags (no offense C&P) to operate all that will be left is the rather sterile and monotonous PVE content. There will be no point in playing any more.
I generally prefer to play games in a friendly, cooperative manner and be nice to other people until they cross me first, but CCP is starting to make me want to go ganking. |
Kynig Parapoyos
The Phylaxis Group
0
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Posted - 2012.03.20 13:54:00 -
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lol, scumbags donating isk to kill the bears!
You're sure, you still have the donations and that someone hasn't run off with it yet! |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1127
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:04:00 -
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Dorn Val wrote:As for small gang PVP: Get into W space.
We're living in w-space right now. It's boring, too. I prowl any connecting wormholes we get and sometimes go 2-3 layers deep looking for targets and find very little.
Oh, well. At least I'm making decent money without having to put up with incursioners. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:16:00 -
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Quote:Highsec has been getting safer and safer. Every time one of us thinks up some clever way to visit violence upon carebears, we get nerfed. We keep thinking up more interesting stuff, but it only lasts so long before it gets nerfed.
That tends to happen when you exploit game mechanics. D'oh! o\ |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1332
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:24:00 -
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Sugar Von MurdererTits wrote:I agree with the OP. As someone who has never pirated, griefed, ganked, scammed or even smack talked in local I think the nerfing of the criminal lifestyle in Eve is getting out of hand. One of the reasons I like Eve is that even in high security space it's not really safe. If CCP continues to make it difficult and unattractive for the scumbags (no offense C&P) to operate all that will be left is the rather sterile and monotonous PVE content. There will be no point in playing any more.
I generally prefer to play games in a friendly, cooperative manner and be nice to other people until they cross me first, but CCP is starting to make me want to go ganking.
Your name is probably one of the best I have ever seen.
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Andrea Griffin
186
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:30:00 -
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You know those people who go "BAW!" all over local and the forums, and we ask for their stuff before they go? Yeah, they never give their stuff away. Selfish bastards! So to compensate for this horrible crime against humanity, I will provide a hauler full of Stuff (tm). I'll contract this to the producer of the Best Tears at the end of the competition, as judged by Psychotic Monk.
Normally I provide this prize during Hulkageddon, but since Helicity bailed on us I still have my Stuff (tm). This competition seems like the proper place to put it to good use.
Mr. Monk, please feel free to toss me an EveMail when the competition is over and I'll contract the Stuff (tm) to the winner. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1132
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:51:00 -
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Ever notice how when it's yours it's "stuff" but when it's someone else's, it's "sh*t"?
-Carlin It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Andrea Griffin
186
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:57:00 -
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Hey now, don't dis my Stuff (tm)! It's usually worth between 100-150m or so. : > CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1874
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:01:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:You know those people who go "BAW!" all over local and the forums, and we ask for their stuff before they go? Yeah, they never give their stuff away. Selfish bastards!
On the contrary someone made a ragequit thread and I chatted to him in-game and he gave me about 2.5b ISK and contracted me some shiny ships too.
Zedrik Cayne did the same when he quit but the bugger came back and I gave him most of it back
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Judeau Antara
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:24:00 -
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Although I don't support the idea of snuffing out piracy (I absolutely love the fact that there is the risk of pirates anywhere in EVE) I do find it hilarious that this thread is filled with pirate tears. Griefers crying about not being able to grief enough
Either way, here is to hoping they don't carebear up the game too much. |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
163
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:40:00 -
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Updated the OP to reflect some of the donations! Go check it out! |
Andrea Griffin
187
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:14:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:On the contrary someone made a ragequit thread and I chatted to him in-game and he gave me about 2.5b ISK and contracted me some shiny ships too. Zedrik Cayne did the same when he quit but the bugger came back and I gave him most of it back I'm totally jealous. I would have given Zed his stuff back too though. He's exceptionally entertaining! CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
JusFooling Around
JusFooling Around Corp
41
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:59:00 -
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Such whiners!
Beginning with the OP - whine this, whine that - woe is us - CCP is so against us!
TIme to lay face down - kick and scream.
You guys are hopeless... No wonder I couldn't stand being around so many whiners... why I waited so long to put your sarry asses in my rear view mirror, I'll never know. Somehow, I kept thinking the average IQ would get above idiot and when I left, I know I set it way back toward zero.
You guys are jokes |
Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
40
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:16:00 -
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JusFooling Around wrote:Such whiners!
Beginning with the OP - whine this, whine that - woe is us - CCP is so against us!
TIme to lay face down - kick and scream. "I got ganked again, NERF THEM!!" = whine "I got nerfed again, GANK THEM!!" = not whine Learn the difference. Post with your monkey. |
JusFooling Around
JusFooling Around Corp
41
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Posted - 2012.03.21 03:36:00 -
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After a few years in a Goon corp, I know your silly games; so I don't need a new idiot trying to explain it to me.
Whining is whining - but somehow you think no one from null can ever whine, when all you do is whine.
You are useless and just don't know it yet
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
219
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Posted - 2012.03.21 05:51:00 -
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Eh, I suppose its predictable that CCP would leap to the carebears' defense yet again. If simply warping out after a gank is considered an exploit, what's next? Multiple volleys aside, realistically, its a sound strategy to avoid having your 'blue' wreck looted by strangers - or your -10 alt podded - especially now that you are prohibited from ejecting and making a quick escape from the crime scene before the explosion.
But CCP will do what it does best, suck up to the whining carebear population at our expense. I'll wait and see what happens, but it appears they have planted their flag long ago, and complaining about it is pointless.
But, no, I'm not going to quit.
Instead, I'll take a page from Patton.... ....I will simply refocus my efforts and resources into making OTHER people quit. Its the only way. Hit CCP where it hurts: subscriptions. How?
-No more expending energy targeting or reporting/petitioning obvious mining bots. While smashing and reporting them is entertaining (and for now, profitable) - they do FAR more damage to your typical miner's income than I ever could. They give no tears, they will not stop - they just autodock until the Russian RMT puppetmaster resets their macro. Let them breed and depress the income of the 'real' miners.
-Exclusively target the vulnerable. Not day old noobs, fool, they don't even OWN anything. Fresh young miners, 2-3 months old. Sitting in their first Exhumer that they toiled for days or weeks to buy. Read the bios, read the employment history. They are just as easy to identify as the botting fleets.
-Make it PERSONAL. Use a random scouting "ratting" alt, chat with them, find out a little about them. Ask questions about mining, "Wow, how long did it take to buy your Hulk? How much ISK u make?" While in mid conversation, proceed to the next step....
-Gank them, addressbook them, locate them, and gank them again. Again, personalize the conflict. Make them feel they have no way out. Keep them in your addressbook. You'll notice that many of them eventually become discouraged and quit the game. You'll know - when their smiling faces forever cease being lit up in your addressbook.
-Remember, the key is depth, not breadth. Rather than ganking every miner in the belt ONCE, leave the bots and gank a lucky few repeatedly over a longer period of time. Spreading your efforts amonst hundreds of targets makes for an impressive killboard, but if you want to cost CCP subscriptions - you have to pick your targets and diligently insure that their Eve experience is one of loss and futility.
Seems the TEARS Alliance "repeat-customer" ganking board and associated bounty prizes will be undergoing some revision...soon. |
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