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Jadrut	Posted - 2004.05.23 08:21:00 - [31] Edited by: Jadrut on 23/05/2004 08:23:57 woah gentlemen i think we all need a chillpill and a chat whilst sober. now for the sake of argument lets say rev0l are being treated like dirt, this doesnt make a change to the way they have been treated in the past in my eyes, but im sure theyve had enough of it. from the pa point of view this could drag a whole NAST vs NFA thing out (unless there is a war and im mistaken) but it doesnt justify you engaging them in 0.0 free space unless they were pirating and suddenly fall under he nast protectorate rules, although this was brought up by cdi who admittedly may i add acted wrongly in what they did. I suggest you lot talk calmly later on. A dont forget the rubber ducky powa EDIT: NFA sorry
Tbone	Posted - 2004.05.23 08:24:00 - [32] All I want is Ex-Rev0l Members ( LMM) Treated with respect. This is BS that they cannot dock in a free zone in D7 and cannot get their stuff out. If this is what the PA wants, then so be it. But halseth get with me. We might be able to work this out before i renounce the FU Flag. ----------------------------------------------- Unholy Killboard
Matrix Aran	Posted - 2004.05.23 09:05:00 - [33] I just love that PA logo. Just screams: important guy talking here lol.
Presidio	Posted - 2004.05.23 09:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Tbone All I want is Ex-Rev0l Members ( LMM) Treated with respect. Hmm.. LMM first shoots at PA Haulers, than they declare war on PA. And now they want to be treated with respect. That's not the way things work where I'm from. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Tbone	Posted - 2004.05.23 09:12:00 - [35] Well when they were just chillin in Tribute like we were. They had docking rights. Now no docking rihgts. HMMM. Take docking rights away when they have stuff there, might make a man shoot. So no more responses til halseth gets with me. PA, please, if u think of us as an ally, respect my wish, if not, be treated like an advisary. Not a threat, or a view of the FU, just of Tbone, not even of Rev0l atm. ----------------------------------------------- Unholy Killboard
Beryllium Dragon	Posted - 2004.05.23 09:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Darken Two Edited by: Darken Two on 23/05/2004 01:41:21 Originally by: DREAMWORKS Originally by: Halseth Originally by: Cpt Pugwash It is with regret that after my attempts at a diplomatic resolution I have heard no response from PA. The deadline of Downtime Saturday 22nd May has passed and no communication has been recieved, A state of war now exists between LMM and PA We will also be breaking off relations with Revolution and FU and removing them from our diplomatic channels, I cannot help but feel they have been using us as a pawn to gain credability for an attack on PA. LMM does not consider this the action of allies and as such withdraw our application to join FU. http://www.newvenal.org/TPAGraphics/OfficialStatement.gif I must admit I feel somewhat left out. It appears that a corporation that I have no knowlege of has a problem with the PA. What that problem is, I can't tell from this thread. Cpt. Pugwash, If you want to discuss an issue you have with the PA, Lodge a formal complaint HERE.. If there has been a miscommunication where your complaint has been overlooked, I appologise. However, as clearly stated in this thread, avenues for contacting us have openly published. Libertas MilesMilitis now have 24 hours to withdraw their pre-mature war declaration on the PA. I can't fail to notice he just did a wardeclare upon your alliance due to not responding to his request to solve this problem diplomatic, so now it should be YOU who would contact him instead of pointing him into a bureaucratic windmill. He expressed that he made several attempts to solve this problem adequate, however you guys did not and therefor he makes an official warattempt. If you so much care to prevent an war i would suggest YOU to contact him to solve it, instead of pointing him into another dead bush he allready walked into. DREAMWORKS the PA has on many previous occasions stated that talking to random members of the alliance does not constitute a formal complaint. The PA has also more than adequately advertised its forums and explained the procedure for lodging complaints. To expect an entire alliance consisting of many corps to act on a complainat within microseconds or to think that a single corp can put deadlines to the PA is not within reason. We have dealt with complaints before and yes t takes time but we deal with it. LMM did not complain on our official forums and noone has ever heard of their deadline. So as far as we are concerned no such complaint exists and any aggressive action against any of our members will be met with similarly deadly force. Let ther be no doubt on that. I didn't know mining lasers were considered "deadly force". image tags removed cause of stretching -Eris Discordia XXXII There was the Door to which I found no Key; There was the Veil through which I might not see: Some little talk awhile of Me and Thee There was--and then no more of Thee and Me. ~Omar Khayyam, The Rubaiyat
Koval	Posted - 2004.05.23 09:29:00 - [37] Edited by: Koval on 23/05/2004 09:31:02 Originally by: Tbone All I want is Ex-Rev0l Members ( LMM) Treated with respect The first time i heard about LMM was when cpt. pugwash came to venal and ganked some PA ships, you call it respect ? PA showed you respect by ceasing fire since you're member of FU, but you're still flaming, so stop talking crap about respect if all you want is to kill those who are on the top of your list
Tbone	Posted - 2004.05.23 09:44:00 - [38] Trust me, top of my list, no way. FA, well XAN is still top of my list, PA just is there. ----------------------------------------------- Unholy Killboard
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.05.23 10:31:00 - [39] Don't worry about rev0l declaring war on you, they are just a big paper tiger.
Tbone	Posted - 2004.05.23 11:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Walking Contradiction Don't worry about rev0l declaring war on you, they are just a big paper tiger. Im still trying to figure who u are. U always get into Rev0l posts, so u must be XAN alt or just some noob. Otherwise, since we have never declared war on u, wouldnt matter, so STFU and suck some veldspar. ----------------------------------------------- Unholy Killboard
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.05.23 11:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Tbone Originally by: Walking Contradiction Don't worry about rev0l declaring war on you, they are just a big paper tiger. Im still trying to figure who u are. U always get into Rev0l posts, so u must be XAN alt or just some noob. Otherwise, since we have never declared war on u, wouldnt matter, so STFU and suck some veldspar. Yeah I'm an alt...
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.05.23 12:05:00 - [42] Edited by: Darken Two on 23/05/2004 13:20:46 Originally by: Beryllium Dragon Originally by: Darken Two Edited by: Darken Two on 23/05/2004 01:41:21 Originally by: DREAMWORKS Originally by: Halseth Originally by: Cpt Pugwash It is with regret that after my attempts at a diplomatic resolution I have heard no response from PA. The deadline of Downtime Saturday 22nd May has passed and no communication has been recieved, A state of war now exists between LMM and PA We will also be breaking off relations with Revolution and FU and removing them from our diplomatic channels, I cannot help but feel they have been using us as a pawn to gain credability for an attack on PA. LMM does not consider this the action of allies and as such withdraw our application to join FU. http://www.newvenal.org/TPAGraphics/OfficialStatement.gif I must admit I feel somewhat left out. It appears that a corporation that I have no knowlege of has a problem with the PA. What that problem is, I can't tell from this thread. Cpt. Pugwash, If you want to discuss an issue you have with the PA, Lodge a formal complaint HERE.. If there has been a miscommunication where your complaint has been overlooked, I appologise. However, as clearly stated in this thread, avenues for contacting us have openly published. Libertas MilesMilitis now have 24 hours to withdraw their pre-mature war declaration on the PA. I can't fail to notice he just did a wardeclare upon your alliance due to not responding to his request to solve this problem diplomatic, so now it should be YOU who would contact him instead of pointing him into a bureaucratic windmill. He expressed that he made several attempts to solve this problem adequate, however you guys did not and therefor he makes an official warattempt. If you so much care to prevent an war i would suggest YOU to contact him to solve it, instead of pointing him into another dead bush he allready walked into. DREAMWORKS the PA has on many previous occasions stated that talking to random members of the alliance does not constitute a formal complaint. The PA has also more than adequately advertised its forums and explained the procedure for lodging complaints. To expect an entire alliance consisting of many corps to act on a complainat within microseconds or to think that a single corp can put deadlines to the PA is not within reason. We have dealt with complaints before and yes t takes time but we deal with it. LMM did not complain on our official forums and noone has ever heard of their deadline. So as far as we are concerned no such complaint exists and any aggressive action against any of our members will be met with similarly deadly force. Let ther be no doubt on that. I didn't know mining lasers were considered "deadly force". image tags removed cause of stretching -Eris Discordia Oh no you really hit me where it hurts. I think I'm gonna go home and cry. Grow up dude. And yea who are you. If you are so l337 bring it. Tbone do not talk about respect when you show none. And yea sure threatning us with war is the way to get into one of the NAST owned stations. Ps. Tbone why dont you overthrow FA first before you decide to overthrow NAST. after all the forum posts and stuff I thought you guys would actually shoot at the FA. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Halseth	Posted - 2004.05.23 17:59:00 - [43] Well, since no one seems interested in giving me an un-biased recollection of what has transpired so far (in chronological order), I will try to piece it together from bits of information that has filtered to me. IF I AM WRONG, please calmly point out the error, and eventualy a solution will be found. Revol leaves the FA-> Revol pilot "Kakalot" pirates 200mil in minerals from PA corp "20th Legion" from deep inside Venal-> Revol kicks Kakalot from thier corp 4 days after a protest is submitted, but refuses to pay reparations-> This sours relations from the start between Revol and PA-> (not sure what happens next) LMM splits from Revol and attempt to use the NAST refine station in D7-ZAC, but cant dock-> LMM trys to contact the PA to get docking rights via local chat but gets no response-> LMM is frustrated with no response, so it gives PA an ultimatum via local chat "access or war" and decides that killing a few ships in Venal will get our attention-> LMM untimatum is not met (or heard) so a formal declaration is declared on the entire PA. This what I see as having happened. I could be wrong because I have not been involved with these issues until very recently. T-Bone, if you really want to resolve this, please bring all written communication to the NAST forum here. That way, we can discuss matters in private without destructive comments from those without knowlege or investment in these particular issues.
Cpt Pugwash	Posted - 2004.05.23 18:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Halseth Well, since no one seems interested in giving me an un-biased recollection of what has transpired so far (in chronological order), I will try to piece it together from bits of information that has filtered to me. IF I AM WRONG, please calmly point out the error, and eventualy a solution will be found. Revol leaves the FA-> Revol pilot "Kakalot" pirates 200mil in minerals from PA corp "20th Legion" from deep inside Venal-> Revol kicks Kakalot from thier corp 4 days after a protest is submitted, but refuses to pay reparations-> This sours relations from the start between Revol and PA-> (not sure what happens next) LMM splits from Revol and attempt to use the NAST refine station in D7-ZAC, but cant dock-> LMM trys to contact the PA to get docking rights via local chat but gets no response-> LMM is frustrated with no response, so it gives PA an ultimatum via local chat "access or war" and decides that killing a few ships in Venal will get our attention-> LMM untimatum is not met (or heard) so a formal declaration is declared on the entire PA. This what I see as having happened. I could be wrong because I have not been involved with these issues until very recently. T-Bone, if you really want to resolve this, please bring all written communication to the NAST forum here. That way, we can discuss matters in private without destructive comments from those without knowlege or investment in these particular issues. I should add After **Revol pilot "Kakalot" pirates 200mil in minerals from PA corp "20th Legion" from deep inside Venal-> ** LMM Left Revol within 12 hours in protest of the Piracy committed by Kakalot LMM used the D7 station whilst it was controlled first by RKK and then LOD, Including defending the Station against Paladins of the Red Skull. 2 PA corps set Standings with LMM to -10 one of which later takes the D7 station Leaving LMM with ships and items they cannot access. PA decieve Revol into going pirate hunting with them, gang Remo Williams, warp to him and destroy his ship.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.05.23 18:22:00 - [45] Ahem. Go CA Go! (CA always does better when its enemy's fight eachother, c'mon Hal, cause some more discord within the ranks! ) Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.23 18:37:00 - [46] Considering the disagreement (docking rights) I expect this matter will be resolved rather quickly as long as both parties maintain a sense of scale. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.05.23 20:34:00 - [47] Originally by: Propehcy Ahem. Go CA Go! (CA always does better when its enemy's fight eachother, c'mon Hal, cause some more discord within the ranks! ) Hey look everybody its the CA official spokesperson being a troll again. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Aerick Dawn	Posted - 2004.05.23 21:15:00 - [48] Hopefully this turns out for the better.. My sense of better may be different than yours. ______________________ What Aerick has been up to lately..
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.05.23 23:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Aerick Dawn Hopefully this turns out for the better.. My sense of better may be different than yours. Is that what you told the FA as well before you stopped your revolution? Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Aerick Dawn	Posted - 2004.05.23 23:52:00 - [50] Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 23/05/2004 23:53:50 Hey Darken, Who are you and why does my give-a-****-ometer not register anything with you? ______________________ What Aerick has been up to lately..
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.05.24 01:34:00 - [51] Originally by: Aerick Dawn Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 23/05/2004 23:53:50 Hey Darken, Who are you and why does my give-a-****-ometer not register anything with you? Ouch you've hurt my delicate feelings. I think I'm gonna sulk for a while. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Aerick Dawn	Posted - 2004.05.24 04:25:00 - [52] That isnt really out of character now is it corpus poddus imminentius? ______________________ What Aerick has been up to lately..
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.05.24 05:26:00 - [53] Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.05.24 05:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Propehcy Ahem. Go CA Go! (CA always does better when its enemy's fight eachother, c'mon Hal, cause some more discord within the ranks! ) Hey look everybody its the CA official spokesperson being a troll again. Ya? I have opinions that may differ from CA's, I'm CA's voice when I say I am. I'm not some fktard press release alt. So if it's CA's stance or opinion, i'll tell you as such. Besides all that, I really don't see how stating facts is trolling. CA does benefit when enemy's are fighting each other. Ever read any sort of battle strategies? Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.05.24 06:10:00 - [55] Originally by: Laika Minirva Edited by: Laika Minirva on 23/05/2004 02:40:55 NAST, C4/CA... so many alliances and treaty's being formed these days that soon it will just be empire space and.. PLAYER-RUN EMPIRE SPACE! Hopefully greed and boredom (mankinds 2 greatest qualities) will break some of the bigger alliances up.. 'no go zones' and warzones are just more fun, than all out peace. A good example of that would be Stain.So much more lively and joyfull now that SA have moved to Yulai, or Lineage2, or joined CA or where ever they went. Alts... Wussie alts.... Gotta love them.. Grow a pair, plz! - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Lord Wimbishi	Posted - 2004.05.24 08:56:00 - [56] For info hehe one corp being around 200 + members is way different then Pug's corp. they are based near or around Obe. dude I really hope you are knowing what you are doing. the PA has some of the most feared combat professionals in the game and the audacity of choosing to fire first and ask questions later with us is very short sighted. It was you all that started the ganking in our home area and knowing it is off limits towards corps like yours and still you invade our area and hunt our ships. The other day I know we podded ya after you tried to get away sorry shouldn't have been up here.
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.05.24 11:00:00 - [57] Originally by: Aerick Dawn That isnt really out of character now is it corpus poddus imminentius? Huh? Yea sure dude bring it. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Lunaticdie04	Posted - 2004.05.26 15:50:00 - [58] Quote: Not a threat, or a view of the FU, just of Tbone, not even of Rev0l atm. So lemme get this straight. It's LMM and Tbone vs PA. Oh ok then. I guess we'll see you out there.
crice	Posted - 2004.05.26 16:34:00 - [59] Originally by: Reverend Necrona NAST? o.O Agreed. Who?
Notferr	Posted - 2004.05.26 16:53:00 - [60] Crice, Do you have ANY other drum to beat? - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.

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