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gavhriel
Amarr Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.14 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: gavhriel removing insurance in case of death by Concord will sure solve a lot of problems :)
tbh i dont even see the logic here....you're breaking the law (as in killing innocent people)...but you get payed by an insurance company while doing it ? :)
Again, Removal of insurance is the sensible thing to do. That is the ONLY solution that should be out there. We should not remove suicide ganking, just make use of common sense when approaching the issue, thats all.
very true.
suicide ganking adds realism to the game ... and fun.
but when you can suicide a deadspace fitted marauder in 0.5 with only 5 or 6 battleships and your entire gang only loses about 200 mil isk ....
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Guillight BLue
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.14 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gold Rogers
Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium I did learn and am using a scout to ensure i will not run into an empire suicide gank on a gate.
Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium I am not a trader, i run for my corp and alliance, so i do not gain isk from these activities (in fact losing isk), but still we should be able for some sort of defence against these gankers looking for easy isk.
Since you move stuff for your corp and alliance get them to escort / scout instead of doing it yourself? Or better yet split the load with them, surely you aren't the only one that can move things.
The whole problem in this matter is, that the whole suicide ganking is one-way favoring. Favoring towards the gankers!
As victim you are completely helpless and can't do a thing about it. You can't defend yourself, you can't retaliate and escorts are completely useless as even if they blow up your hauler, the escort ships can only watch see it happen as they cannot intervine and pop the suicide ganker, without getting popped by CONCORD yourself and suffer a hit on your sec status!
Thats why the whole Suicide Ganking can be seen as a lame abuse of game mechanics.
Just removing Insurance payout isn't gonna help a thing. As suicide gankers use T1 ships anyway and those are cheap. The little insurance payout they get and thus removing it won't stop them at all.
A good solution against Suicide gankers to me is the following:
A hauler / transporter forms a gang with escort buddies and the moment a suicide ganker takes a lock on the hauler and starts firing, EVERYONE in the hauler's gang gets permission to attack the Suicide ganker without getting flagged by CONCORD and taking a sec hit.
I personally think that everyone that commits a hostile act on an innocent in High Sec should be insta PVP flagged, so everyone is allowed to attack him/her!
See it as performing a civil duty in favor of CONCORD by aiding them in High Sec space.
As why would (for example) a suicide ganker commiting a crime being any different than the average rat operating in High Sec space?
Cheers
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Ralara
Caldari Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.07.14 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Guillight BLue
A hauler / transporter forms a gang with escort buddies and the moment a suicide ganker takes a lock on the hauler and starts firing, EVERYONE in the hauler's gang gets permission to attack the Suicide ganker without getting flagged by CONCORD and taking a sec hit.
Yes and then in missions youc ould have an Ibis come to someone's wreck, steal from it, the faction CNR kills the ibis and as it's doing that, 15 ships warp in with kill rights on the raven --
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Armoured C
Gallente The Aztecs Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.14 10:50:00 -
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they can defend themselves
once you hit f1-f8 to suidie gank then they are globally flagged
it just you own bloody fault if you going by yourself in a freighter
humm they see if you had say BC squad with a onerios for a obelisk
if you donlt value you cargo enough to protect it then you deserve to loose it
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Nathvas
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Posted - 2008.07.14 10:56:00 -
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actually they can. fly the cheap logicistical crusiers like the gallente exoquor or other ones. There is no concord for armor reping or sheid reping some one. at least not to my knowledge.
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Plave Okice
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:00:00 -
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Insurance won't have any impact, I stopped kamikaze robberies (my preferred term for it, suicide gank sounds so ugly ) quite simply because I made so much isk from it I'll never need any more.
I wouldn't have cared if insurance payouts were removed, I would have done every single hit again, whether losing my brutix cost me 7 mill after insurance or 30 mill with insurance wouldn't have made a difference, in fact, I would have actually ganked more people to make up the extra isk. All removing insurance will do is penalise genuine noobs, it won't stop or lessen kamikazes.
It has got tougher to do, because people have become more aware how to counter it (it's so easy to counter if you have a brain it's pathetic, those who get ganked are the lazy, nothing more).
CCP have stated on numerous occasions they feel it's a valid part of the gameplay, going so far as to say so even in their meagre documentation.
Personally I'll just stay amused at the victims periodically appearing to whine about it, you don't need to change the game to avoid it, you just need to not be so lazy. It's your own fault.
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Djana Libra
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Over the past 6 months, i lost 1.7b in assets to suicide gankers. I did learn and am using a scout to ensure i will not run into an empire suicide gank on a gate. But.......it is getting out of hand. To do 13 jumps with a freighter, moving bs's, Pos fuel and such, i need at least 7 days. CCP!!! please give us the tools to counter these suicide attacks or encrease the amount of damage Concord and sentry guns can inflict in empire. Maybe create a possibility to put a tank on a freighter. (I posted with an alt for safety reasons).
How about you stop moving everything at the same time and just move it bits and pieces so they cant make money off ya. CCP doesnt have to make counters, theres enough things youc an do.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Hmm did i say i lost a freighter? There is lots of people moving stuff in t1 haulers, thats what they are there for. Also I am not trolling, I just get ****ed of to dock my freighter every 1 jump. Btw Could it be you are 1 of those nice suicide gankers????
You're an idiot if the first time didn't make you realize you did something _wrong_.
Smart people don't get suicide ganked, except for griefing. Why? ... Because we fit _tank_ and fly _appropriate ships_ for what we carry.
So my losses are only in low-sec and 0.0 even though I carry valuable cargo regularly.
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Xen Mind
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Mind on 14/07/2008 11:11:55 This is all i have to say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I
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Ambien Torca
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:19:00 -
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"Just removing Insurance payout isn't gonna help a thing. As suicide gankers use T1 ships anyway and those are cheap. The little insurance payout they get and thus removing it won't stop them at all."
Actually it will help quite a bit but it wonŠt stop people shooting profitable targets. People using say geddons (50+5/10m to fit) to gank a freighter will take a lot bigger isk penalty than with current platinum insurance scheme where cost of the ship is negligible (IŠve found BS:ses on market that when insured amount to more or less 0 isk loss besides equipment). So the cost of trying goes up 50 x 20 to 30 = 1 to 1.5 billion isk.
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Elis Verone
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:30:00 -
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a nice solution would be to make people loose sec like if u kill a persons ship in 05. you get the penalty wich is as today plus 1. and if u do it in 1.0 u become -5 instantly... SIMPLe.. and FAIR.. u kill someone in concord space and are seen as a pirat.. so u get -5 :)))
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Guillight BLue
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C they can defend themselves
once you hit f1-f8 to suidie gank then they are globally flagged
it just you own bloody fault if you going by yourself in a freighter
humm they see if you had say BC squad with a onerios for a obelisk
if you donlt value you cargo enough to protect it then you deserve to loose it
Aren't you getting globaly flagged ONLY when your sec status hits below a sertain mark?
As long as the Sec standing is high enough on the Suicide Ganker only CONCORD will be able to take on him!
I have seen players getting blown up by CONCORD, but they weren't flashy red when CONCORD attacked?
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Xen Mind
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Mind on 14/07/2008 11:42:14
Originally by: Elis Verone a nice solution would be to make people loose sec like if u kill a persons ship in 05. you get the penalty wich is as today plus 1. and if u do it in 1.0 u become -5 instantly... SIMPLe.. and FAIR.. u kill someone in concord space and are seen as a pirat.. so u get -5 :)))
yeah soo simple we can see, did you think of the first time people play this game the toturial actually tells you to shoot "innocent" players so by your logic your closing the game for new players .... nice one i think ccp will really go for this.....
and for insurance .... did any off you think about the mission runners who uses an out of corp alt, then accidently blows up the alt can instead of tractoring?
Im sure ccp is open for suggestions but this will not be the change
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ArchAngel Illibrium
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Posted - 2008.07.14 13:33:00 -
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Besides the peeps who gave me "nice compliments", I would like to thank for the advice and ideas generated. The best idea and doable for me is to skipp my scout and use a shieldrepping basilisk as an escort and therefore giving an extra buffer and increasing survivability. It will reduce the amount of time needed on the known suicide-ganking routes dramatically. In case of empire afk hauling a speed fitted blockade runner could be the answer.....gonna test it on SG server.
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Ralara
Caldari Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.07.14 13:35:00 -
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why not just... ya know... not afk haul? --
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Ralara
Caldari Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.07.14 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Guillight BLue
Originally by: Armoured C they can defend themselves
once you hit f1-f8 to suidie gank then they are globally flagged
it just you own bloody fault if you going by yourself in a freighter
humm they see if you had say BC squad with a onerios for a obelisk
if you donlt value you cargo enough to protect it then you deserve to loose it
Aren't you getting globaly flagged ONLY when your sec status hits below a sertain mark?
As long as the Sec standing is high enough on the Suicide Ganker only CONCORD will be able to take on him!
I have seen players getting blown up by CONCORD, but they weren't flashy red when CONCORD attacked?
Sure they get flagged, they probably just died faster than you could see :p
It's like in low sec, open up firing on someone and the gate guns activate - you're flashing red to everyone around you. High sec is exactly the same except Concord tend to blow you up rather shortly. --
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.14 13:50:00 -
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Fit a webber to your scout ship.
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.14 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Dear CCP.........Empire suicide gankers: It's getting out of hand.
funny...these whines are also getting out of hand. This only makes thread #4399812019 on the topic...search the forums, quit your whining. You aren't save in empire. SAFER, yes, TOTALLY IMMUNE, no.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Guillight BLue
Aren't you getting globaly flagged ONLY when your sec status hits below a sertain mark?
As long as the Sec standing is high enough on the Suicide Ganker only CONCORD will be able to take on him!
No you always get a global flag for 15 minutes when attacking without permission from concord.
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Tenacha Khan
E-Thugz
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Mind Edited by: Xen Mind on 14/07/2008 11:42:14
Originally by: Elis Verone a nice solution would be to make people loose sec like if u kill a persons ship in 05. you get the penalty wich is as today plus 1. and if u do it in 1.0 u become -5 instantly... SIMPLe.. and FAIR.. u kill someone in concord space and are seen as a pirat.. so u get -5 :)))
yeah soo simple we can see, did you think of the first time people play this game the toturial actually tells you to shoot "innocent" players so by your logic your closing the game for new players .... nice one i think ccp will really go for this.....
and for insurance .... did any off you think about the mission runners who uses an out of corp alt, then accidently blows up the alt can instead of tractoring?
Im sure ccp is open for suggestions but this will not be the change
lol, you cannot accidently blow up your alt in hi-sec, you get a warning pop up and if you go ahead and click ok anyway then your an idiot and deserve to die.
Insureance should be removed, and fines put in place depending on what ship you blew up and the value of that ship. Also think that insurance should be removed from the game all together, or even just 0.0 and pirates below -5.0.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Over the past 6 months, i lost 1.7b in assets to suicide gankers. I did learn and am using a scout to ensure i will not run into an empire suicide gank on a gate. But.......it is getting out of hand. To do 13 jumps with a freighter, moving bs's, Pos fuel and such, i need at least 7 days. CCP!!! please give us the tools to counter these suicide attacks or encrease the amount of damage Concord and sentry guns can inflict in empire. Maybe create a possibility to put a tank on a freighter. (I posted with an alt for safety reasons).
You are lying your ass off. It is not worth ganking a freighter if it has 2 Billion ISK or bellow in the hold. Simple math and game mechanic. Especially now since CCP did boost CONCORD where they jam the hell out of drones as well.
So, if you lost 1.7 Billion ISK, it was not in a freighter over "6 months" You were an idiot and hauled stuff in T1 Indies most likely - or better yet, and more sensible reason would be - is that you are trolling, and trying to inflame an issue. It is certainly clear with your 1.7 Billion Lost/6 Months/Freighter deal.
Hmm did i say i lost a freighter? There is lots of people moving stuff in t1 haulers, thats what they are there for. Also I am not trolling, I just get ****ed of to dock my freighter every 1 jump. Btw Could it be you are 1 of those nice suicide gankers????
Frieghters lack module slots for a reason.
Sounds like your corp and alliance mates need to get off their asses and escort you with a stack of blackbirds. Jammed gankers simply die.
The problem isn't suicide ganking. The problem is you're hauling in a manner inconsistent (solo) with the stuff (volume/quantity/ownership) you're hauling.
It would be like me going on a solo pvp op with a sniper battleship. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 14/07/2008 14:33:21 A BS would do a better job of remoterepping a freighter then a Logistics. Just mwd into range of the cloaked freighter before it decloaks. Easy 680hp/s for armor, or at least 600hp/s for shields, though more may be possible. Not counting drones for both, of course. Don't think Logistics can do this.
Originally by: Xen Mind Edited by: Xen Mind on 14/07/2008 11:11:55 This is all i have to say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I
Either you fail at linking or you've got some odd reason why you want a null link. If it's the former, it's fitting, I guess.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Mind Edited by: Xen Mind on 14/07/2008 11:11:55 This is all i have to say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I
Failed linking
try this -=^=-
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.07.14 16:01:00 -
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Sometimes I imagine this whole carebear conspiracy where they send one guy to make an outrageous whine-post on Eve-O. Then the rest come in and call the OP a carebear and start plugging for the removal of insurance for losses to Concord. That would then make that solution seem like a good compromise.
It isn't.
It's a stupid suggestion made by stupid people.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Aria Seniste
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Posted - 2008.07.14 16:03:00 -
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So. You're hauling for an alliance, but they can't spare a couple ships with shield transfers to stop your freighter from getting ganked by the ebil empire piwates?
Theres too many people around, and you think they're all out to get you?
Maybe move to lowsec/0.0 where you can at least tell who your enemies are.
Otherwise, cry more, carebear hurrah of "NERF INSURANCE OMG", etc. Because CONCORD and the Insurance company are one and the same.
Face it: Just because someone finds a clever way to break the law, does not make it an exploit. Theres no reason you can't counter them. Or haul less. But effectively, the request to end suicide ganking comes down to this:
Originally by: Carebears I don't want to be suicide ganked. FIX IT CCP! These are the conditions we need: 1. I should not get ganked in highsec. 2. I should not have to scout to ensure this. 3. I should not have to be at my keyboard to ensure this. 4. I should not have to take any precautions to ensure my safety. 5. I cannot be expected to defend myself or retaliate against those who endanger me. 6. Suicide ganking is profit without risk! The ganks can't fail! Our missions and mining result in a lost ship much more often. We should remove the only risk to traders so that they, too, have almost as little risk/reward as suicide gankers! 7. WTG CCP, why should I have to PVP in a PVP game?
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.14 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Guillight BLue Aren't you getting globaly flagged ONLY when your sec status hits below a sertain mark?
From the KB article on criminal flagging: Quote: Attacking an innocent
Player A attacks Player B who is considered innocent towards Player A = Player A gets aggression flagged towards everyone.
Aiding a player who is aggression flagged towards everyone
Player A aids Player B who is aggression flagged towards everyone = Player A gets aggression flagged towards everyone.
Aiding an outlaw
Player A aids Player B who has security status of -5.0 or lower = Player A gets aggression flagged towards everyone.
Note the highlights.
If you ever think you're going to engage in combat in high-sec, read that KB article. Then read it again. And again. And again…
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.14 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Over the past 6 months, i lost 1.7b in assets to suicide gankers
Over the past 40 months I lost 0 isk to suicide gankers.
Go figure.
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Aildari
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Aildari on 14/07/2008 17:11:22
Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Over the past 6 months, i lost 1.7b in assets to suicide gankers
Over the past 40 months I lost 0 isk to suicide gankers.
Go figure.
Same here, no losses.
To the OP, is it really that hard to warp to 0, and split up the load so valueable stuff is mixed with cheap stuff (brings down the value of each load).
Don't whine for CCP to change the game for you, you need to learn to play the game that you chose to play. Too many games are wow'ified and died a slow death (UO is a good example here).. don't make this one go down that road.
Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Besides the peeps who gave me "nice compliments", I would like to thank for the advice and ideas generated. The best idea and doable for me is to skipp my scout and use a shieldrepping basilisk as an escort and therefore giving an extra buffer and increasing survivability. It will reduce the amount of time needed on the known suicide-ganking routes dramatically. In case of empire afk hauling a speed fitted blockade runner could be the answer.....gonna test it on SG server.
OMFG this guy dosen't learn. I guess its time to find the locater agent and make a ganker alt.
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Kery Syander
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:34:00 -
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GUYS! I just came back to my computer after a 40minute afk session expecting to find my shiney new hoarder and the 600mil in mods I put in it in jita, but when I look at the screen, I'm in a POD! WTF?!?! I was in highsec, I'm allowed to be completely ignorant of any and all game mechanics in highsec, right?
It is pretty hard to catch ANY ship that isn't strolling along on autopilot, but believe it or not there are thousands of morons just like the op who absolutely refuse to learn the first thing about eve or how to actually do something to protect themselves. Of course it's CCP's responsibility dear op to ensure that you can safely be a moron anywhere in highsec.
My last suicide gank I was convoed by the guy I ganked (who was pretty new to eve). He actually had a good attitude and wanted to learn how to avoid things like this in the future (IMAGINE THIS SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T IMMEDIATELY RUN TO THE FORUMS ASKING FOR DADDY CCP TO HALP BEFORE USING HIS BRAIN!?!?!?!). I told him the biggest best kept secret to avoid gankers. DONT FUKKEN AUTOPILOT THROUGH EMPIRE WITH VALUBABLE CARGO. IF YOU HAVE TO CARRY VALUBLES, THEN DO IT IN A SHIP DESIGNED FOR IT.
MORON. -----
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:12:00 -
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As always, T2 BPOs in a T1 hauler "should" be an appropriate suicide gank target.
But a Freighter with less than several billion should NOT be. Two or three Billion in a Freighter should not even begin to be worth killing.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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