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ArchAngel Illibrium	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:40:00 - [1] Over the past 6 months, i lost 1.7b in assets to suicide gankers. I did learn and am using a scout to ensure i will not run into an empire suicide gank on a gate. But.......it is getting out of hand. To do 13 jumps with a freighter, moving bs's, Pos fuel and such, i need at least 7 days. CCP!!! please give us the tools to counter these suicide attacks or encrease the amount of damage Concord and sentry guns can inflict in empire. Maybe create a possibility to put a tank on a freighter. (I posted with an alt for safety reasons).
ArchAngel Illibrium	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:40:00 - [2] Over the past 6 months, i lost 1.7b in assets to suicide gankers. I did learn and am using a scout to ensure i will not run into an empire suicide gank on a gate. But.......it is getting out of hand. To do 13 jumps with a freighter, moving bs's, Pos fuel and such, i need at least 7 days. CCP!!! please give us the tools to counter these suicide attacks or encrease the amount of damage Concord and sentry guns can inflict in empire. Maybe create a possibility to put a tank on a freighter. (I posted with an alt for safety reasons).
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:42:00 - [3] Imagine, it takes effort to move billions of ISK worth of assets. - DesuSigs
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:42:00 - [4] Imagine, it takes effort to move billions of ISK worth of assets. - DesuSigs
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:47:00 - [5] Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Over the past 6 months, i lost 1.7b in assets to suicide gankers. I did learn and am using a scout to ensure i will not run into an empire suicide gank on a gate. But.......it is getting out of hand. To do 13 jumps with a freighter, moving bs's, Pos fuel and such, i need at least 7 days. CCP!!! please give us the tools to counter these suicide attacks or encrease the amount of damage Concord and sentry guns can inflict in empire. Maybe create a possibility to put a tank on a freighter. (I posted with an alt for safety reasons). You are lying your ass off. It is not worth ganking a freighter if it has 2 Billion ISK or bellow in the hold. Simple math and game mechanic. Especially now since CCP did boost CONCORD where they jam the hell out of drones as well. So, if you lost 1.7 Billion ISK, it was not in a freighter over "6 months" You were an idiot and hauled stuff in T1 Indies most likely - or better yet, and more sensible reason would be - is that you are trolling, and trying to inflame an issue. It is certainly clear with your 1.7 Billion Lost/6 Months/Freighter deal.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:47:00 - [6] Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Over the past 6 months, i lost 1.7b in assets to suicide gankers. I did learn and am using a scout to ensure i will not run into an empire suicide gank on a gate. But.......it is getting out of hand. To do 13 jumps with a freighter, moving bs's, Pos fuel and such, i need at least 7 days. CCP!!! please give us the tools to counter these suicide attacks or encrease the amount of damage Concord and sentry guns can inflict in empire. Maybe create a possibility to put a tank on a freighter. (I posted with an alt for safety reasons). You are lying your ass off. It is not worth ganking a freighter if it has 2 Billion ISK or bellow in the hold. Simple math and game mechanic. Especially now since CCP did boost CONCORD where they jam the hell out of drones as well. So, if you lost 1.7 Billion ISK, it was not in a freighter over "6 months" You were an idiot and hauled stuff in T1 Indies most likely - or better yet, and more sensible reason would be - is that you are trolling, and trying to inflame an issue. It is certainly clear with your 1.7 Billion Lost/6 Months/Freighter deal.
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:50:00 - [7] FYI even though low-sec is empire you are not protected by concord.
ArchAngel Illibrium	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Crumplecorn Imagine, it takes effort to move billions of ISK worth of assets. True, and i know it takes effort, but it is getting even worse. I am not a trader, i run for my corp and alliance, so i do not gain isk from these activities (in fact losing isk), but still we should be able for some sort of defence against these gankers looking for easy isk.
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:50:00 - [9] FYI even though low-sec is empire you are not protected by concord.
ArchAngel Illibrium	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Crumplecorn Imagine, it takes effort to move billions of ISK worth of assets. True, and i know it takes effort, but it is getting even worse. I am not a trader, i run for my corp and alliance, so i do not gain isk from these activities (in fact losing isk), but still we should be able for some sort of defence against these gankers looking for easy isk.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:52:00 - [11] Edited by: Jinx Barker on 14/07/2008 08:52:20 Originally by: Robert Rosenberg FYI even though low-sec is empire you are not protected by concord. If the OP is talking about Low-Sec losses, than it does not fall under even broadest of "suicide ganking whines." Since there is nothing suicidal about attacking a ship in Low Security Empire, and there is no CONCORD response in the matter.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:52:00 - [12] Edited by: Jinx Barker on 14/07/2008 08:52:20 Originally by: Robert Rosenberg FYI even though low-sec is empire you are not protected by concord. If the OP is talking about Low-Sec losses, than it does not fall under even broadest of "suicide ganking whines." Since there is nothing suicidal about attacking a ship in Low Security Empire, and there is no CONCORD response in the matter.
Jennai The Greater Goon	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Jinx Barker Since there is nothing suicidal about attacking a ship in Low Security Empire, and there is no CONCORD response in the matter. it is when you forget where you are and get your ceptor instapopped by the sentries, but that doesn't really count because it wasn't intended to be a suicide.
Jennai The Greater Goon	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Jinx Barker Since there is nothing suicidal about attacking a ship in Low Security Empire, and there is no CONCORD response in the matter. it is when you forget where you are and get your ceptor instapopped by the sentries, but that doesn't really count because it wasn't intended to be a suicide.
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:56:00 - [15] Some people need to get a real job PEOPLE suicide ganking is not a JOB!!!!! Bein a prostitute in Eve is more of a job than suicide ganking! Tips to avoid suicide gankers Never auto thru known ganking areas and always warp to 0 do not engage that person yeesh same thing happend to a buddy of mine I told him the same damn thing.... He was auto afk which is by all means DUMB!!!! k their said my peace
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:56:00 - [16] Some people need to get a real job PEOPLE suicide ganking is not a JOB!!!!! Bein a prostitute in Eve is more of a job than suicide ganking! Tips to avoid suicide gankers Never auto thru known ganking areas and always warp to 0 do not engage that person yeesh same thing happend to a buddy of mine I told him the same damn thing.... He was auto afk which is by all means DUMB!!!! k their said my peace
ArchAngel Illibrium	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Over the past 6 months, i lost 1.7b in assets to suicide gankers. I did learn and am using a scout to ensure i will not run into an empire suicide gank on a gate. But.......it is getting out of hand. To do 13 jumps with a freighter, moving bs's, Pos fuel and such, i need at least 7 days. CCP!!! please give us the tools to counter these suicide attacks or encrease the amount of damage Concord and sentry guns can inflict in empire. Maybe create a possibility to put a tank on a freighter. (I posted with an alt for safety reasons). You are lying your ass off. It is not worth ganking a freighter if it has 2 Billion ISK or bellow in the hold. Simple math and game mechanic. Especially now since CCP did boost CONCORD where they jam the hell out of drones as well. So, if you lost 1.7 Billion ISK, it was not in a freighter over "6 months" You were an idiot and hauled stuff in T1 Indies most likely - or better yet, and more sensible reason would be - is that you are trolling, and trying to inflame an issue. It is certainly clear with your 1.7 Billion Lost/6 Months/Freighter deal. Hmm did i say i lost a freighter? There is lots of people moving stuff in t1 haulers, thats what they are there for. Also I am not trolling, I just get ****ed of to dock my freighter every 1 jump. Btw Could it be you are 1 of those nice suicide gankers????
Jennai The Greater Goon	Posted - 2008.07.14 08:59:00 - [18] Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Hmm did i say i lost a freighter? There is lots of people moving stuff in t1 haulers, thats what they are there for. Also I am not trolling, I just get ****ed of to dock my freighter every 1 jump. Btw Could it be you are 1 of those nice suicide gankers???? if you keep getting suicided in T1 haulers then maybe you should use a DST or something instead
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:00:00 - [19] Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium True, and i know it takes effort, but it is getting even worse. I am not a trader, i run for my corp and alliance, so i do not gain isk from these activities (in fact losing isk) That you are doing the runs for someone else has no bearing on anything. Except, perhaps, that your corp should find someone else to move its stuff. - DesuSigs
Armoured C Gallente The Aztecs Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:02:00 - [20] what more do you want..... concord have been beefed up before, warp to zero , drone damage nuffified, scouts for alts
Euriti Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:05:00 - [21] I used to suicide gank and if you take certain safety measures then it is nigh impossible to get ganked.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:07:00 - [22] Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Hmm did i say i lost a freighter? There is lots of people moving stuff in t1 haulers, thats what they are there for. Also I am not trolling, I just get ****ed of to dock my freighter every 1 jump. Btw Could it be you are 1 of those nice suicide gankers???? I have been around the block, I have suicided ships, and I have been a target of a "suicide gank" However, when I suicided ships, I spend hours picking a mark, usually good laden shuttles with invention BPCs with Marauders, and my trusty Caracal. When I was a target of a suicide gank I had 3 Billion ISK worth of mods in my ship, and it was tanked, well tanked, I survived. You are obviously have no idea when you are talking about suicide ganking, especially since you seem to be so scared shitless and out of your small mind that you have to dock your damn freighter in EMPIRE of all places every other time. So, I will repeat again: Do not carry more than 2 Billion ISK in your freighter, and you can AFK all you want, because no sensible "suicide ganking camp" will engage a freighter with 2 Billion ISK or less in the hold. There is NO PROFIT IN IT, especially if one takes into account that part of the cargo wont survive. Of course, they could blow you up just for shits and giggles, but it is rare, since everyone here is to make profit. Finally, read your original post, and edit it, if you do not want people to misinterpret you - since you certainly made it sound like you lost 1.7 Billion over 6 months with a freighter, which is plain damn weird.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:11:00 - [23] Edited by: Ralara on 14/07/2008 09:12:12 Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Hmm did i say i lost a freighter? There is lots of people moving stuff in t1 haulers, thats what they are there for. Also I am not trolling, I just get **ed of to dock my freighter every 1 jump. Btw Could it be you are 1 of those nice suicide gankers???? http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341 Quote: Should I not be safe from attacks in high security zones? In the universe of EVE, no space is 100% safe. It is vital for every player to realize this as soon as possible after starting playing the game. Kamikaze attacks Despite the lack of absolute safety, empire space is still relatively safe. The biggest threat to the average player in Empire space is the risk of ôkamikazeö attacks when carrying a cargo of noteworthy value. Just like on modern day earth, the risk of attack rises with the amount of money sticking out of your pockets. If attacking you becomes a lucrative enough option, the best of neighbourhoods may become unsafe for you to walk around in. Some players are willing to lose ships and their good standing with Concord for the hope of quick profit from a juicy loot drop. The ôkamikazeö attackers usually work in pairs or groups. They scan the cargo holds of bypassing pilots flying easily destructable ships until they see something worthy of a ship loss. They then blow up the ship and and while Concord do what they do best, a second character picks up the loot from the shipÆs wreck. This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space.** Tech 1 haulers are NOT meant to be carrying around 1.7 billion isk of stuff in them. Use a Blockade Runner or Deep Space transport or a Freighter. --
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:18:00 - [24] i love ppl carrying lots of expencive stuff in t1 haulers :D stupid ppl get whats coming :D i haul over a billions worth of stuff every week in my t2 transports. have not been ganked yet as they are fast, carry quite abit and also have 2 points of warp immunity. ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Gold Rogers Solitude Empires OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:27:00 - [25] Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium I did learn and am using a scout to ensure i will not run into an empire suicide gank on a gate. Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium I am not a trader, i run for my corp and alliance, so i do not gain isk from these activities (in fact losing isk), but still we should be able for some sort of defence against these gankers looking for easy isk. Since you move stuff for your corp and alliance get them to escort / scout instead of doing it yourself? Or better yet split the load with them, surely you aren't the only one that can move things. ---------
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Gold Rogers Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium I did learn and am using a scout to ensure i will not run into an empire suicide gank on a gate. Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium I am not a trader, i run for my corp and alliance, so i do not gain isk from these activities (in fact losing isk), but still we should be able for some sort of defence against these gankers looking for easy isk. Since you move stuff for your corp and alliance get them to escort / scout instead of doing it yourself? Or better yet split the load with them, surely you aren't the only one that can move things. No just get rid of suicide gankers it's easier that way. --
gavhriel Amarr Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:29:00 - [27] removing insurance in case of death by Concord will sure solve a lot of problems :) tbh i dont even see the logic here....you're breaking the law (as in killing innocent people)...but you get payed by an insurance company while doing it ? :)
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:32:00 - [28] Originally by: gavhriel removing insurance in case of death by Concord will sure solve a lot of problems :) tbh i dont even see the logic here....you're breaking the law (as in killing innocent people)...but you get payed by an insurance company while doing it ? :) Again, Removal of insurance is the sensible thing to do. That is the ONLY solution that should be out there. We should not remove suicide ganking, just make use of common sense when approaching the issue, thats all.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:34:00 - [29] Originally by: gavhriel removing insurance in case of death by Concord will sure solve a lot of problems :) tbh i dont even see the logic here....you're breaking the law (as in killing innocent people)...but you get payed by an insurance company while doing it ? :) I agree, I've said it before, I'll say it again, not that CCP will listen. I have the best idea in Eve for suicide ganking. It wont stop it but it will stop people whinging about insurance. If a ship is destroyed by concord and that ship has destroyed another ship in the last 45 seconds, then they get no insurance payout. If a ship is destroyed by concord and that ship has not destroyed another ship in the last 45 seconds, then they get an insurance payout. Since the AI can't tell what's a suicide gank and what's accidently firing on someone, this solves it. If the ship was destroyed, then it was intended for that ship to die, right? That being the case, no insurance. If the ship wasn't killed, perhaps it was accidental and therefore, insurance. "But failed suicide gankers will get their insurance back!!!!!!!" Yes, yes they will. Since there's no way to tell what's a suicide gank and what isn't, this is the best I can come up with. It wont eliminate suicide ganking at all because you'll still get muppets like the OP who fly around with 1.7 billion isk in a Badger II and it'll be worth the between 20 and 100m isk it costs to outfit a suicide ship. But at least they can't whine about insurance :)) --
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.14 09:37:00 - [30] Edited by: Andrue on 14/07/2008 09:39:26 Originally by: ArchAngel Illibrium Originally by: Crumplecorn Imagine, it takes effort to move billions of ISK worth of assets. True, and i know it takes effort, but it is getting even worse. I am not a trader, i run for my corp and alliance, so i do not gain isk from these activities (in fact losing isk), but still we should be able for some sort of defence against these gankers looking for easy isk. I agree. A corp and/or alliance should be able to organise safe passage for a haulage op. Luckily they can. All they need is intelligence and organisation. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.

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