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CCP Gnauton
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:56:00 -
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Hi guys,
Time for another installment in our series of special chronicles. This week's story, "The Better Part of Valor", details a past incident in the life of Tibus Heth, the Caldari State's fearless leader.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.14 16:26:00 -
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The guy in the image, is that Heth?
Also, I dont know if you would be able to answer this, will you be writing storys that reflect the status the war as it is in game? IE if the Gallente bust out and take over alot of the caldari space would that event be reflected in a eve chronicle?
Really liked the story, interesting glimpse as to how the state is changing and what its people feel about the change.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Jacob Mei
The guy in the image, is that Heth?
Also, I dont know if you would be able to answer this, will you be writing storys that reflect the status the war as it is in game? IE if the Gallente bust out and take over alot of the caldari space would that event be reflected in a eve chronicle?
Really liked the story, interesting glimpse as to how the state is changing and what its people feel about the change.
I totally disagree with your assessment that is shows how the State is changing. It shows Heth was a racial bigot a decade plus ago. That is about the only insight into Heth I got from it. I suppose it shows that the corporate employees are just as unsure about what is going on as the long time loyal Caldari pod pilots.
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For the past three Mondays we've published a special series of Chronicles intended to shed some light on the four empires' political minds. We continue today with The Better Part of Valor, a Chronicle focusing on the Caldari State's fearless leader, Tibus Heth.
It fails to shed any additional light on the political mind of Tibus Heth. The last article, "Dark End of Space" shed more light on the Caldari reasoning in my opinion - picking up where the last war left off (or at least that is what I assume is going on).
I am very disappointed in this one compared to the "Paths They Chosen" and "Silent Furies".
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Yann Ephemere
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:13:00 -
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"And then suddenly thereÆs this mad shuffle of movement, and the egger stands up and kind of stumbles back, and the guy he was talking to is just kind of sitting in his chair shaking, and something black and round falls from his hand, under the table."
I'm very curious to hear the community's ideas on this.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:26:00 -
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I think this article reveals somethng that I have suspected since Heth's initial rise to power: Tibus Heth = EVE's Adolph Hitler.
Don't believe me? Take a close look at it, it's all there; Cruelty as a soldier, involvement with labor organizations, pseudo-communist rhetoric, Hyper-Nationalism, Blatant racism and racial scapegoating for internal problems, a willingness to sacrifice others for personal advancement, and a consistent grab for power.
Any one of these things alone would be nothing. Put them together, and you have a recipe for National Socialism/Dictatorship on a Galactic level. Trust me, it will only get worse. Next comes the straightforward nationalizing of industries not currently under Heth's control, and the call for "Caldari Purity" which will lead to pogroms and death camps for Gallente Ex-Pats still living in Caldari space.
Congratulations Caldari, You have just become Intergalactic Space Nazis.
Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:43:00 -
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Dex: I was refering to the comment the guy made, to paraphrase: "What happened to the needs of the many are more important than the needs of the one?" He goes on to say that alot of people seem more happy about the fact that there is a central leader but he feels the state has changed as a result. Another thing to note is towards the end the whole article was scrubbed by orders from higher ups which, if the news reporters reaction is to be taken seriously, is something completely out of the norm for the caldari.
Bish: I mentally was thinking "heil Heth!" at the end. With the persicution of expatriot gallentes and what not thats been going on it really does seem like the caldari are quickly becoming space ****'s. I just hope though, for CCP's sake, we dont get a story that is eeriely similar to ally forces finding consintration camps.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.14 19:19:00 -
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Ah, it's not like the media would have published anyway. None of them have guts these days.
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Isilwen Nightfall
Caldari
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2008.07.14 19:38:00 -
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Indeed, i'm a bit disappointed too.
Maybe i was expecting something a bit more epic, but meh. It's Caldari style.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.14 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Dex: I was refering to the comment the guy made, to paraphrase: "What happened to the needs of the many are more important than the needs of the one?" He goes on to say that alot of people seem more happy about the fact that there is a central leader but he feels the state has changed as a result. Another thing to note is towards the end the whole article was scrubbed by orders from higher ups which, if the news reporters reaction is to be taken seriously, is something completely out of the norm for the caldari.
Good points and thanks for pointing them out. I did need a second glance through it. I am not sure it is a Caldari media corporation that is putting the piece together, but perhaps it is NOH or something else. Agency Central? What organization is that, is that a sub-division of the Caldari Providence Directorate (Provist)?
I would say that whole articles/news pieces can and are scrubbed by higher ups throughout Caldari megacorporations before Heth. If one article paints KK in a bad light, Echelon won't run it but NOH will. The media in the State being an engine to drive sales of corporate products, make your corporation look 'more' Caldari than the other guys, etc. So if it was out of the State, I doubt it was Echelon Entertainment subsidary; EE is pushing the official story since Heth became CEO of KK.
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Bish: I mentally was thinking "heil Heth!" at the end. With the persicution of expatriot gallentes and what not thats been going on it really does seem like the caldari are quickly becoming space ****'s. I just hope though, for CCP's sake, we dont get a story that is eeriely similar to ally forces finding consintration camps.
We were there more than a month ago, we have been watching this coming for a long time. It is a challenge to play a character based more defending/supporting corporate rights (read State rights as in US Civil War), when it seems like there is a push to make the State like late 1930s, early 1940s Germany.
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Rook Highwind
Unnatural Growth
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Posted - 2008.07.14 19:56:00 -
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And now we watch as every previously neutral player joins the French Revolution. Damned Gallente get to play the good guys yet again 
Also adds a new twist to the idea of Caldari being CCP's 'chosen race' 
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Dex: I was refering to the comment the guy made, to paraphrase: "What happened to the needs of the many are more important than the needs of the one?" He goes on to say that alot of people seem more happy about the fact that there is a central leader but he feels the state has changed as a result. Another thing to note is towards the end the whole article was scrubbed by orders from higher ups which, if the news reporters reaction is to be taken seriously, is something completely out of the norm for the caldari.
Good points and thanks for pointing them out. I did need a second glance through it. I am not sure it is a Caldari media corporation that is putting the piece together, but perhaps it is NOH or something else. Agency Central? What organization is that, is that a sub-division of the Caldari Providence Directorate (Provist)?
I would say that whole articles/news pieces can and are scrubbed by higher ups throughout Caldari megacorporations before Heth. If one article paints KK in a bad light, Echelon won't run it but NOH will. The media in the State being an engine to drive sales of corporate products, make your corporation look 'more' Caldari than the other guys, etc. So if it was out of the State, I doubt it was Echelon Entertainment subsidary; EE is pushing the official story since Heth became CEO of KK.
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Bish: I mentally was thinking "heil Heth!" at the end. With the persicution of expatriot gallentes and what not thats been going on it really does seem like the caldari are quickly becoming space ****'s. I just hope though, for CCP's sake, we dont get a story that is eeriely similar to ally forces finding consintration camps.
We were there more than a month ago, we have been watching this coming for a long time. It is a challenge to play a character based more defending/supporting corporate rights (read State rights as in US Civil War), when it seems like there is a push to make the State like late 1930s, early 1940s Germany.
Well my concern is more that if CCP isnt careful they may end up turning EvE into WWII in space and then being accused of being unorginal or something along those lines.
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rook Highwind
And now we watch as every previously neutral player joins the French Revolution. Damned Gallente get to play the good guys yet again
This.
It's really annoying to see the Gallente seem to be chosen to be some ultra-mecca empire while the Amarr are regulated to the Inquisition, the Caldari are ****s, and the Minmatar are either forced slaves or willing slaves (for the Federation).
Plus the Federation's past and present mindset that seems to be very "we bring freedoms and equality, whether you like it or not and it's how we want it".
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Borg9
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Borg9 on 14/07/2008 20:49:44
I liked this story because it explains how the Caldari State really is. I like being apart of a Axis-like powerhouse like the Caldari State. Freedom of speech is bad because ppl say stupid sh*t and you can't kill them after:( Who cares about the hippie-frenchie gal all they want to do is pic flowers,smoke pot, and listen to soft rock. For the Caldari State!!Hile Heth!!!!
Why is a Axis Alliance in WW2 censored? Man I hate this politically-correct world.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Thorradin
Plus the Federation's past and present mindset that seems to be very "we bring freedoms and equality, whether you like it or not and it's how we want it".
We are the Gallente. Lower your sheilds and surrender your ships. we will add your race and technology to our own empire. You will adapt to the Gallente way of life. Resistance is futile.
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Hieder
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2008.07.14 22:19:00 -
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I hope there are more pieces like this written, showing the tensions the TRUE patriots are having with Heth. Then perhaps he will be seen as lowdown political slimeball he truely is.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 23:07:00 -
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Where did the shades of grey go?
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.14 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador
Where did the shades of grey go?
It got thrown out when CCP realized the vast majority of people want heros and villians to fight with/for.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.14 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Well my concern is more that if CCP isnt careful they may end up turning EvE into WWII in space and then being accused of being unorginal or something along those lines.
It has already been done multiple times in multiple locations - I even had an entire post removed because I did a work around of the shortened version of National Socialism (****sm) and the failed Austrian artist (******) to try and explain what I was saying.
Originally by: Borg9
Edited by: Borg9 on 14/07/2008 20:49:44
I liked this story because it explains how the Caldari State really is. I like being apart of a Axis-like powerhouse like the Caldari State. Freedom of speech is bad because ppl say stupid sh*t and you can't kill them after:( Who cares about the hippie-frenchie gal all they want to do is pic flowers,smoke pot, and listen to soft rock. For the Caldari State!!Hile Heth!!!!
Why is a Axis Alliance in WW2 censored? Man I hate this politically-correct world.
But it wasn't like that and that is not how it was described in most of the material before May 2008.
KK had ZERO say in what NOH published and very little in what LD's media outlet published.
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rValdez5987
Amarr
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.15 00:22:00 -
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Getting put on space station guard duty, for these guys, was like being told to cook and eat your own face.
I cant stop laughing. For some reason I found this part HILARIOUS. 
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Hurs Sokira
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2008.07.15 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: Hurs Sokira on 15/07/2008 00:51:46
Edited by: Hurs Sokira on 15/07/2008 00:50:27
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Where did the shades of grey go?
It got thrown out when CCP realized the vast majority of people want heros and villians to fight with/for.
Considering the fact that "vast majority of people" stay in EVE for about seven months, it is very sad to see that CCP is not trying to deepen the storyline to prolong this stay longer.
Instead CCP tries for a cheap trick: "Look! Space-****s!" Once novelty of playing a space-**** in Factional Warfare wears off in about couple of months, CCP expects that people will either move to 0.0 and abandon all attempts at roleplaying or exploring the storyline in any meaningful way, or just quit.
I just really do not understand this. It appears that CCP trying to make storylines and chronicles as formulaic and simplistic as possible. They have explicitly stated that they want to move people to 0.0 as much as possible, so it looks like making unpalatable Empire storylines is the way to achieve it.
Why do it? Can't we have good storylines in Empire AND in 0.0? Can't we have events influencing each other? I simply do not understand the current direction. It alienates long-term RPers who losing interest in staying with the game, newcomers find it hard to engage with shallow "heroes and villains", 0.0 Alliances have no reason to pay any attention to roleplaying. Players lose, CCP loses. Why do it then?
P.S. I find it very ironic that CCP censoring term "****" and Adolph ****** in their forums, yet they feel perfectly OK hinting at both with Tibus Heth and "Gallente concentration camps" and describing "Kristallnacht" in almost perfect details.
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Garion Avarr
Amarr
Zero Zero Traders
YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.07.15 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Thorradin
Originally by: Rook Highwind
And now we watch as every previously neutral player joins the French Revolution. Damned Gallente get to play the good guys yet again
This.
It's really annoying to see the Gallente seem to be chosen to be some ultra-mecca empire while the Amarr are regulated to the Inquisition, the Caldari are ****s, and the Minmatar are either forced slaves or willing slaves (for the Federation).
Plus the Federation's past and present mindset that seems to be very "we bring freedoms and equality, whether you like it or not and it's how we want it".
Well, we haven't had the Amarrian chron yet, maybe CCP will decide to paint them as good guys in it. Besides, I don't see that the Gallente really seem to be particularly an ultra-mecca empire, more an imperialist regime that forces its ideals (which work pretty well for it, even if there are problems, but might not work for everyone else) upon everyone else, willing or unwilling.
Hmm. Well, I won't go farther into the implications of that.
I wasn't sure at first if Heth was going to be Lenin or ******, but . . . it was pretty clear to me at first that it was one of the two, and it quickly became clear which one.
Speaking of which, did anyone else think of the Reichstag Fire when Malkalen happened?
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Hurs Sokira
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2008.07.15 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Hurs Sokira on 15/07/2008 01:09:34
Edited by: Hurs Sokira on 15/07/2008 01:07:28
Originally by: Bish Ounen
I think this article reveals somethng that I have suspected since Heth's initial rise to power: Tibus Heth = EVE's Adolph Hitler.
Well, according to illustration, Tibus Heth = EVE's Race Bannon from "Jonny Quest"
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/logan122800/racebannon.jpg
Here are sneak-peak of alternative illustrations for "Better Part of Valour"
http://www.classicjq.com/art/production/images/DW1963_RaceAndVillain.jpg
http://www.classicjq.com/art/production/images%5CSR_Race.jpg
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Blackjack OMalley
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.15 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Bish: I mentally was thinking "heil Heth!" at the end. With the persicution of expatriot gallentes and what not thats been going on it really does seem like the caldari are quickly becoming space ****'s. I just hope though, for CCP's sake, we dont get a story that is eeriely similar to ally forces finding consintration camps.
Playing a Caldari and member of the militia, I both dread this possibility and find it at this point to be almost inevitable. Thanks, CCP! 
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Sylvain Lemieux
The Trident Institute for Drone Research
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Posted - 2008.07.15 06:08:00 -
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Agree with many of the point raised here.
Bad form CCP. I understand that the writers probably didn't want to present each of these Chrons in the same way but we were promised an in depth look at the mindsets of all the four leaders in the time leading up to the war and this is more a random anecdote from the past of the most mysterious character in this war and we are no closer to understanding his motives/.
Certainly the backstory released has backed up accusations that the Caldari are being made into the bad guys. Something thats not really fair or cool with me. I want depth, not good vs evil and I want a deeper understanding of what is probably the most contrived and unbelievable event of eve history (The hostile Megacorps just giving up their independance to follow one ultranationalist without a shed of doubt).
It's not enough to say 'Read the novel and all would be explained' Faction Warfare has always been promised as the saviour of Roleplay in EVE and it's really starting to do the opposite. The IGS is overrun with repetitive 'My county beats your country' threads, the major roleplay corps/alliances of the Caldari have found it impossible to really support the actions of their nation because they have been so poorly explained and these chronicles are drawing the ideologies in a painfully familiar dichotomy.
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Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.15 06:49:00 -
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Also agree with most points in this thread. Especially with the above poster.
Shades of grey are always way more intersting, especially as the Eve universe is painted as a dark and cruel place mostly.
A little more twists for minmatar and caldari leaders would have been good.
Though I will wait with a full comment until I finished the Empyrean Age novel. Also people almost always forget about the fact that we simply DON'T know most of the things from the book or the chronicles. These are all out of character insights, which really no capsuleer as in-character can know of.
So despite you see lots of RL analogies and stuff (and ofc there are lots because inhabitants of eve are still human after all), your character won't even notice them. Not to mention your char has absolutely no knowledge of history of some weird place called "earth".
I find the different flavours of politics really impressive tbh. It reflects very nicely the situation on our reality on this small planet. And imho ccp always have added lots of shades of grey in the past, and I'm pretty confident that they will continue to do so in the future.
Yes, of course there is always room to do it more epic with even more details and sidestories, but who should pay for all the writers that would be needed. Not to mention of readers that would be willing to read all the stuff.
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Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.15 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Falstaff
The better part of valour is discretion; in the which better part I have saved my life.
Shakespeare, in Henry IV, Part One, 1596
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Brandoe Chung
Gallente
TAO Industuries
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Posted - 2008.07.15 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Brandoe Chung on 15/07/2008 13:14:05
Could be that CCP is counting on us to decide this little war. Maybe they are hoping that if they infuse this kind of rhetoric into the story line, that a lot of the Caldari podders will rise up against Heth. Just because your character in the EVE universe has no idea about events that happened on Earth, doesn't mean you don't. A lot of us had family alive who fought in the last war, from a historical point of view it's still very fresh in the minds of society.
I can't speak for anyone but myself but it would be really hard for me to distance myself from that. I'm glad I'm Gallente, but if I was Caldari after reading this story I would join the Gallente milita right quick.
But you could look at it like this. Take a country like the United States. It has one head of state that all the mega corporations are behind, and it has been indulging in domestic spying and censorship for years, and yes even before 9/11 they have been doing this, maybe not to this extent or with this much publicity. It exists on some level in almost every so called 1st world country right now. No offense to any Americans out there just used it as an example.
So maybe there are more shades of grey than they are letting on. We still don't know the Jovian's motivations in this war.
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Kvander Godalming
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Posted - 2008.07.15 13:26:00 -
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Can't honestly say I approve of it. I mean it was well-written and all, but Jesus.
Foiritan is all tough-minded and "I gave peace a chance and now I'mma kick some ass." Shakor is wise and (wisely) reluctant to assume the mantle of leadership, but puts the needs of his people above his own. And we learn these things first-hand, from watching their interactions with their subordinates.
And what do we Caldari get? A third-person film-noir that makes our guy look like the skinhead from Oz. Great.
Can't wait to see how Sarum turns out. Probably Cruella de Ville meets Torquemada or some shit.
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Tibus Heth = EVE's Adolph ******.
I think they're certainly angling for that, which sucks since the largest plurality of EVE's players are Caldari. The ones who pay attention to the storyline, like me, are suddenly very uncomfortable participating in FW.
To be fair though, Foiritan is not shaping up much better. He's so awful he called himself a monster.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.15 14:07:00 -
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Fellas, it was pretty much expected that some of these leaders would be scumbags. Someone's gotta be the bad guy. I don't know why you're making all these silly germany allusions. I mean sure, there's some inspiration taken from history, but it doesn't mean CCP has ordered all Caldari players to march in goosestep and greet each other with heils.
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DarVellon
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.15 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: DarVellon on 15/07/2008 14:10:49
Kvander Godalming's post says it all 
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