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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:07:00 -
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This is actually my very first post on these forums, so pardon me if this is the wrong forum for such a thread.
I have a story that you've probably heard a million times: My starter corporation has been wardec'd by a griefer and his few followers (don't know if I'm allowed to single out names here). We have superior numbers but they have superior ships, PvP experience, and skills, which obviously means a hell of a lot more than a minor advantage of numbers.
I've got a few options to consider that I know of: 1. Flee the area with my corpmates in tow and hope that they aren't dedicated enough to follow us across space, 2. try and fight them any way we can (a.k.a. honorable suicide), or 3. Do something external to affect matters, such as petition CCP (who I'm willing to bet wouldn't give a rat's ass) or join an alliance (which I'm told dramatically increases the wardec cost).
Bear in mind that I've only been playing a month or two. Does anyone have any advice for a dude who isn't ready to fight a war against griefers
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Amarrian Cougar
Amarr
TalCorp Enterprises
Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:10:00 -
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Sure am glad I'm not you right now.
Have fun with your war because there isn't anything you can do about it.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Terrus Valkin
griefer
No. Originally by: Terrus Valkin
petition
No.
This is valid gameplay. Your basic options are fight and flight. Advice from people more knowledgeable on the subject will probably be forthcoming momentarily.
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar
AA Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:12:00 -
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You can leave an alt (create a gal, got trade - leadership for a quick effective one) running the corp and drop to the npc corporations for the duration (using a private chat channel to work together)
You can hire mercs
You can dock and use alts for a bit leaving them no targets.
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:13:00 -
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I already know that petitioning CCP will give me a 99.99% chance of absolutely nothing getting done. Also, I'm not just calling the guy a griefer... according to my definition of "griefer," he is one and has been since long before I met him and he wardec'd us.
So yes... hopefully better advice will be forthcoming.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:13:00 -
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Your options:
1 - Try to fight back (and possibly fail)
2 - Disband the corp
3 - Join an alliance so they have to pay 50m/week (don't look at me, I don't accept corps at war)
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:16:00 -
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This sucks. What sucks more is that it will likely not be the last time something like this happens.
My first response is to fight. He told me himself that his plan was to simply extort money from us - I'll pay all of my money into killing him if needs be, and if I'm out of cash, out of a ship, and still haven't killed him... Then too bad. But I'm not giving him a dime.
Considering that my corp was intented to be anti-pirate eventually, this could be considered an opportunity. The only profit this guy will make off of me is what he can pull off of my wreckage.
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Lurana Lay
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Lurana Lay on 15/07/2008 22:24:41
Ist off I'd say, never pay any ransom if demanded.
Oh, and stop all Hauling/Mining/Missioning endeavors immediately, put the enemy Corps guys on your friends list and then you'll see when they log-on.
Your other options are limited tbh. Those you mentioned, and either just taking a break from eve for a week or getting everyone to roll up an alt on the same account and do soemthing else for a few days.
It's perfectly valid to post the name of the looser Corp that's annoying you here and you never know, some rich bear might get a chuckle from deccing or mercing them...
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Wascal
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:18:00 -
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Name names... someone might war dec him just for the fun of it.
He is a 'bully' picking the only fight he can likely win, against noobs. Funny how 'bullies' run when someone who can pvp enters the picture.
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Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
This is actually my very first post on these forums, so pardon me if this is the wrong forum for such a thread.
I have a story that you've probably heard a million times: My starter corporation has been wardec'd by a griefer and his few followers (don't know if I'm allowed to single out names here). We have superior numbers but they have superior ships, PvP experience, and skills, which obviously means a hell of a lot more than a minor advantage of numbers.
I've got a few options to consider that I know of: 1. Flee the area with my corpmates in tow and hope that they aren't dedicated enough to follow us across space, 2. try and fight them any way we can (a.k.a. honorable suicide), or 3. Do something external to affect matters, such as petition CCP (who I'm willing to bet wouldn't give a rat's ass) or join an alliance (which I'm told dramatically increases the wardec cost).
Bear in mind that I've only been playing a month or two. Does anyone have any advice for a dude who isn't ready to fight a war against griefers
There is no such thing as a "griefer" in this game. You need to lose that mindset immediately. People declaring war on you for no reason and killing you just for fun is not a petition able offense. It is part of the game. Once you leave the noob corp and join a real player corp or start your own, all bets are off.
Things you can do:
1) Hire a merc corp to declare war against the corp that decced yours.
2) Start recruiting more PvPers into your corp and create a pvp wing for this sort of situation.
3) Let them dec you and bore them by evading them. Stay docked in stations when you see war targets come into local. Eventually, they will give up and pick on someone else instead.
4) Maybe try to contact the CEO of the corp that Decced you and ask why. Be polite and just find out if he had a real reason that can be avoided in the future or patched up now.
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:22:00 -
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Somehow I managed to give you guys the impression that I believe "griefing" is against the rules and that I think a petition would work... don't operate under that delusion. I know that anything that doesn't **** off CONCORD goes. I know a petition would fall on its face and I know that what I call griefing is a legitimate part of the game. I guess your definition of griefing includes said actions being against the rules.
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Ivar Strahm
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:22:00 -
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It's just my opinion, but I'd look at this more like an opportunity to get that "PvP experience" you profess to lack. I don't know how much free ISK you guys have, but a bunch of cheap t1 frigs can be surprisingly effective (just ask the goons). Unless you are just dead-set against fighting, or flat broke, I'd say go out and have some fun pew-pewing.
You'll likely get hammered, but you might take a few of them with you. :)
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:27:00 -
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Fight or flight are your only real options.
Fight...
This depends on how motivated your corp members are and how willing they are to try learn some valuable pvp skills (not just setups and combat strategy but survival tactics too). This route is the toughest but if you ever want your corp to really grow and make progress down the road you'll have to be able to deal with these sorts of situations.
The main thing to remember is that loses themselves really aren't that big a deal and you should expect plenty of them. Find out what works, what doesn't and do some reading on possible pvp tactics - (you should read up on EW as it can be a powerful tool in equalising the battlefield when facing superior ships).
It may also be worth your time checking to see if there are any other corps who have been dec'd by this corp and if there are, try to contact with them. Sharing intel and grouping up can certainly work in your favour.
Flight...
Unless you've given the warring corp a real reason to have a go at you personally, relocating to some quiet systems out of the way is your best bet. If they follow you simply have your members spread out to other systems and try to avoid the major hubs for now, it's perfectly possible to get by comfortably without them.
It'll be a somewhat boring and frustrating experience but sooner or later the warring corp will give up and go away if they aren't getting kills (they have to pay the fees to keep the war going so if you deny them kills you're making them waste their own isk).
It's best to avoid any sort of verbal contact with them (local chat, convos etc) as it you may encourage them to keep going for you or try and attempt to blackmail isk from you (a common practice). Just get on with business whichever choice you make.
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 15/07/2008 22:29:03
I plan on it. I've told my members that we're going to fight and they're behind me.
By the way, frigates aren't exactly amazingly effective when you've only got 18 members and they've got 10 flying HACs and such. Best we have are BCs... I guess we'll be taking up the old "divide and conquer" strategy.
Anyway... if anyone's interested in helping somehow like that other guy said, you can private message me (hopefully they have that feature here, heh). Maybe it's the time I've spent seeing the rule of "no singling people out" being enforced in the Bungie.net forums, but I'd rather not just throw the name out there.
If that's not available then I'll just tell you guys. Give me a heads-up.
To battle and whatnot.
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Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
Somehow I managed to give you guys the impression that I believe "griefing" is against the rules and that I think a petition would work... don't operate under that delusion. I know that anything that doesn't **** off CONCORD goes. I know a petition would fall on its face and I know that what I call griefing is a legitimate part of the game. I guess your definition of griefing includes said actions being against the rules.
Well in your OP, you threatened to petition CCP about it so why do YOU think we are getting that impression? 
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:30:00 -
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How was that a threat? I listed it as an option and said that here was a 99.99% chance that it wouldn't do any good anyway... So I ask again, how is it that you guys think that I consider a petition to be effective?
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Lieutenant Isis
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:33:00 -
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You can run and hide, though be aware that they could use the so called "locator agents" to find your position, so spread out. Or you could fight with cheep ships.
If you chose to fight you should just get into a bunch of frigs and see if you can isolate one or two from the group. Vary your setups and mount scrams: you'd be surprised what a crowd of frigs could do to even HACs and such...if you have enough.
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Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
How was that a threat? I listed it as an option and said that here was a 99.99% chance that it wouldn't do any good anyway... So I ask again, how is it that you guys think that I consider a petition to be effective?
Because you just listing it as an option tells me that you believe that it could work and the corp that war deced you is somehow breaking game rules.
Anyway whatever. I am not posting here to give you a hard time. I was just trying to help. Good luck.
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Diarrhea Aguilera
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:33:00 -
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Well - that's why multiple accounts are usefull - just keep logging on to your wardecced account to change skills and check if the wardec is over, but just never undock. Play one of your other accounts instead.
Bore them to death...
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:45:00 -
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I checked and couldn't find a PM service here... so the corp name is Apocalypse Ponies, led by Sniper Wolf18.
Now all I have to do is wait for the fact that I told you guys to backfire on me somehow...
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 15/07/2008 22:48:40
Originally by: Terrus Valkin
My first response is to fight. He told me himself that his plan was to simply extort money from us - I'll pay all of my money into killing him if needs be, and if I'm out of cash, out of a ship, and still haven't killed him... Then too bad. But I'm not giving him a dime.
*thumbs up*
Just stop saying griefer and you're sorted.
Originally by: Terrus Valkin
I checked and couldn't find a PM service here...
These forums are very primitive.
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:53:00 -
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Ok then. ^^
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:57:00 -
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Fight when you have the numbers to overpower them. Hide/run when you don't. That and try to trick them into the fights they can't win while avoiding their tricks. This is what PVP in EVE is REALLY about. Not this honorable 1 v 1 crap some people think it is.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:59:00 -
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I'm glad you've decided to fight, personally my advice would be to make the most of it, get a laugh out of it, use it to help train yourself and your corp members in the arts of pvp, you will more than likely learn something and have fun doing so.
Its legal gameplay petitioning CCP would get you nowhere, docking and hiding would get you nowhere and would simply ruin your fun for the duration and running would potentially make you lose ships and be hounded across the galaxy for little tangible benefit.
You can however as I said make it a fun experience, get yourself and your corp 20-30 T1 frigs or Ewar frigs for only a couple of mil each fitted and try to catch some of his guys, you lose very little, even if he loots your ships he gains very little of value and its taking his time, plus killing one of his HAC's more than equals you losing your entire fleet.
I'll happily provide some fitting/tactical advice to see you on your way to pvping if you give me a shout in game.
Good luck, and remember to have fun and don't take it personally.
Alternatively you could emoragequit, but thats kinda sad don't ya think?
Proud member of the Caldari Death Squad
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Reiner Tharan
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:59:00 -
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Dont forget the Tea and Biscuits
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:00:00 -
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Frigate gangs; you may not win every fight (you wont, in fact), but the ones you do will be extra sweet.
And loosing ships wont break the bank.
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Blitz'Krieg
Caldari
Demon Theory
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:05:00 -
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an insured arbitrator costs about 1 mil when it dies. T1 fit it for another 1 mil or so. Get everyone to base out of 1 station and set their clones there and get at least 30 ships per member in your corp, diff races obviously diff ships. Only fight when you outnumber your opponent at least 2 - 1 in ship class, 4 to 1 in its t2 variant (i.e. 4 of your cruisers to 1 of their t2 hac's) and make liberal use of ecm / tracking disrupts and damps. They will kill some of you, you will kill some of them and it will be a cheap endeavor for you and an expensive one for them.
Tbh tho your a pvp corp for hire and should know this.
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:07:00 -
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Our big plans for training and such have kind of been interrupted by this. The talk was of being highly combat-effective a month from now, not forming a ragtag fleet of unpracticed pilots flying cheapy ships.
This is going to take more figuring out. Still, I'll listen to advice.
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Ka Nitsua
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:33:00 -
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Honestly, it sounds like you jumped the shark a bit by advertising yourselves as a PVP-for-hire corp. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what attracted the attention of the attacking corp.
But no matter... just look at this as the perfect way to get some practice! Sure, they probably have more money and more experience, but if you can get good fighting in cheapo frigs, then you'll be ready for anything, haha.
The key is going to be out-smarting them, not out-muscling them. Look at it as a chance to work on your coordination, teamwork, and cunning. These things are all important in battle.
Of course, don't take my word for it... I have very limited PvP experience... 
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
Our big plans for training and such have kind of been interrupted by this. The talk was of being highly combat-effective a month from now, not forming a ragtag fleet of unpracticed pilots flying cheapy ships.
This is going to take more figuring out. Still, I'll listen to advice.
Then go on the test server and practise.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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