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Aria Seniste
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:52:00 -
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You mentioned that you have people with BCs trained.
BCs are exceptional against HACs. They aren't great at catching/tackling them, but they can certainly chase them off. Fit a tracking computer or two and you'll hit them even when they're orbiting you. If they come into web range, it's suicide. ((For the myrmidon, drone nav computers are your tracking CPUs. Or precision missles in a drake. Maybe assault? I'm not good with missile knowledge.))
Also, a t1 / cheap named fitted BC can be a near-complete insurance fraud. You're looking at a near break even or only a couple million lost on some of them. It's a large-ish "investment" for a new player, but you'll be able to buy a new one every time one dies.
Tech1 cruisers will suit you well for DPS for your pilots that can't use BCs yet. Blackbirds for EWar.
Also, a few frigates / swarm of frigates fitted for speed with scrams + webs. Undock / warp in / jump through a gate (wherever you're engaging), swarm the frigates on one of the HACs so it's going nowhere, then jump on it with everything else. They melt surprisingly fast. Most likely, they'll try to run at this point, if you have them outnumbered. If they keep fighting, rinse, repeat, kill another. When you lose a ship you lose a couple million. They're losing 100 million or so.
Also, tracking disruptors with optimal scripts will make any turret HAC have to come into web range to fire effectively. And when a nano comes into web range... 
You'll probably lose more ships than you kill, but warfare is about isk lost/destroyed, not ships lost/destroyed.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:54:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Terrus Valkin
Our big plans for training and such have kind of been interrupted by this. The talk was of being highly combat-effective a month from now, not forming a ragtag fleet of unpracticed pilots flying cheapy ships.
This is going to take more figuring out. Still, I'll listen to advice.
Wel tbh now you got an opportunity to learn, and if your corp can stand together it will be much stronger for it. Cheap ships is one of the most effective strategies when fighting such an opponent. A fully insured t1 frig or cruiser with cheap modules on is practically free. While a HAC costs at least 100-150 mill or more, and you get only peanuts back from insurance. So even if you lose 10 t1 cruisers but manage to kill one HAC you win.
But perhaps the most important thing your corp can learn is how to stay safe with hostiles around. Learn to work together, learn to use local, to use scouts, stay aligned, fleet movements etc.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.16 00:07:00 -
[33]
To answer your question directly, OP:
This is the proper response to a war dec
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DesuSigs |
Aria Seniste
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Posted - 2008.07.16 00:10:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
To answer your question directly, OP:
This is the proper response to a war dec
Yes.
If only there was an option to kick diplomats into the hole of death in EVE...
Or at least pod them in a dramatic and amusing manner.
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.16 00:10:00 -
[35]
Fight the corp the best you can... If they soundly defeat you, contact the CEO to begin negotiations to cease hostilities.
When negotiating, everything is up for consideration, you may be able to set up a payment "tribute" plan to have them set you blue. If this is the route it goes down, take advantage of the situation and ask them how you could have better defended yourself. You're a new group, and from what you said, they are more experienced - you've got a chance here to earn a PvP groups respect and possible friendship.
If you dump and run, you've made a bad choice - you learn nothing, you lose members, and lose familiarity with your surrounding systems.
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Nexus Kinnon
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.16 00:27:00 -
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Most corps will actually honour their blackmails, so if everything goes to shit then you can always consider that as an option. Otherwise, what other people have said in this thread, a few griffins, some rifters etc actually make a fairly decent PvP force.
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.16 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
Our big plans for training and such have kind of been interrupted by this. The talk was of being highly combat-effective a month from now, not forming a ragtag fleet of unpracticed pilots flying cheapy ships.
This is going to take more figuring out. Still, I'll listen to advice.
Ok as far as your training. this is it. And the cheapest and most effective way to catapult you and your group to the next level. Cheapy ships are whats best. DO NOT RUSH INTO BATTLE THINKING YOU HAVE THE BIGGEST BEST. big mistake. Most of your PVP guys cut there teeth on trash ships and learn to kill bigger and better targets.
Do not give them satisfaction of looting your wrecks that would give them anything worth a damn.
Try to fight an ISK war. He is paying for the war. Make it much more expensive by popping at least one or two t2 ships. Oh and yes, a group of frigates can take down a BS.
Get your gang together and roam, and take the fight to him. Get away from the station log out in space and not in the station. Find a spot where you can do this fairly safely. You are empire getting supplies and new ships should not be a problem.
It does not matter how many SP's or what kind of fancy ship they fly. If you wolf-pack you will kill a few of them.
And you can not lose by the way. Because one you gain respect to fight even if you get your arse handed to you. And if you do cause some damage, well then that is just icing on the cake.
Do not run, because it will be come a habit, especially if you are teaching your guys to fight and become some kind of force in the future.
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Riley Kendrik
Caldari
Magnadyne
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Posted - 2008.07.16 01:24:00 -
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10 SIMPLE STEPS TO TAKE AFTER YOU'VE BEEN WAR DECC'D
1) Suspend industrial operations and mining. You will just be giving them targets that cannot fight back. Penalize members who lose industrial ships.
2) Visit their killboard and gather intel on who their pilots are, who are the best, what ships they fly and when they are most active. Post this intel in your forums and corp mail.
3) Use their killboard to see what other corps they've been harassing recently. You are probably not the first. Contact the CEOs of those corps for additional intel. Find out how long hostilities lasted, if they are still ongoing, what tactics that corp used. If any corps are still at war with your enemy, suggest banding together with them to increase your numbers.
4) Add enemy pilots to your buddy list to see when they come on.
5) Fly T1 ships to tackle and T1 cruisers for DPS. Blackbirds are freaking awesome as well. You can lose 10 ships to your enemy's 1 and still kick their asses in efficiency. One Ishtar is more expensive than 30 Blackbirds and the insurance on T2 ships sucks. They will end hostilities once you start hurting their killboard efficiency, even if they are taking down way more of your ships.
6) Camp common mission running systems around their space. Combat pilots make a lot of their ISK running missions. Keep 1 scout in that system and the rest of your fleet one system over. Mission runners rarely use scouts, even when they're at war and are more likely to be alone or with just one other ship. Also, mission fits will be easier for you to kill. Practice using your scanner, lock him down and kill him.
7) Find out how else they make money. I have chatted up pirates in local and gained much intel, for example. (Who knew that pirates mined?) Then attack them at their industrial base.
8) Start an alt character and try to infiltrate their corp. And suspend recruiting efforts yourself.
9) Schedule regular ops against your enemy. Nothing hurts pilot morale worse than logging on and not being able to do anything because you have to stay docked up. Most people don't mind dying as long as they can at least get into the fight. Give your guys a chance, as often as possible.
10) Post in C&P and ask for merc assistance. Hiring the right help can send your enemy running in no time and remember, EVE is multi-dimensional. There are many many ways to PvP and ship-to-ship combat is just one of them. Outspending your opponent by hiring elite mercenaries is certainly acceptable.
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Ozmodan
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.07.16 01:33:00 -
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Some of you crack me up. You tell the guy not to use the word griefer, yet this pirate corp is using hacs against new players. If that does not fit the definition of a griefer I don't know what does. Sure what they are doing is legal, griefing is allowed in Eve, but it certainly does not remove the griefer moniker one bit.
Use the cheapest ships you can find with the cheapest equipment and fight them. Not sure what they are trying to get out of this, but make sure it is costly for them.
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
Apocalypse Ponies
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Posted - 2008.07.16 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sniper Wolf18 on 16/07/2008 01:45:33
HAHA
he poasted about me!!!
im famous now!
BTW is it just me, or are the forums actually being helpful for once? SHAME ON YOU FORUMS...shame on you!
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar
AA Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.16 02:44:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Ashen Angel on 16/07/2008 02:44:21
Well for fighting, hiring experienced mercs to help boost your numbers and provide an experienced backbone helps too
You may also find some bored souls that will join to do just that for free.
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.16 02:51:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Ozmodan
Some of you crack me up. You tell the guy not to use the word griefer, yet this pirate corp is using hacs against new players. If that does not fit the definition of a griefer I don't know what does. Sure what they are doing is legal, griefing is allowed in Eve, but it certainly does not remove the griefer moniker one bit.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar
AA Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.16 02:53:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Ozmodan
Some of you crack me up. You tell the guy not to use the word griefer, yet this pirate corp is using hacs against new players. If that does not fit the definition of a griefer I don't know what does. Sure what they are doing is legal, griefing is allowed in Eve, but it certainly does not remove the griefer moniker one bit.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
He's referring to intent.
If your intent is to cause grief then you are a griefer regardless of how the game rules apply
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Napro
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.16 02:58:00 -
[44]
I wouldn't fight. They're bored, they want to fight.
Just have everyone drop the corp as mentioned above and stick with the NPC or form a new corp for a while
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:03:00 -
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Actually, I know exactly what caused them to wardec us. For one, Wolf would love any excuse to kill newbies, and for two one of my members denied a duel with him and stole from his can (what a load of drama to go through for 3 antimatter charges). Perfect opportunity to find out about us.
By the way, the description is to make an impression of professional conduct and organization. The unfortunate downside of that description is that sometimes it's seen by the wrong people.
But... since when did this thread become the "woe is me" thread? I never asked why he would wardec us. I asked for solutions.
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:07:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 16/07/2008 03:11:25
Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 16/07/2008 03:08:33
Originally by: Crumplecorn
To answer your question directly, OP:
This is the proper response to a war dec
Man, I love you for that...
Oh, hey, Wolf showed up. That's wonderful. Now he knows the ships we use and such... etc... Oh well. The situation's already ****ed, why not **** it up some more.
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:14:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Ashen Angel
He's referring to intent.
If your intent is to cause grief then you are a griefer regardless of how the game rules apply
Intent is subjective. Until he declares his intent then he is just palying the game as intended. However if continually harasses the Corp then his Intent is defined and the rules of greifing applies.
To the OP, there are a few posts here with advice you can gleam from. Everything from folding and NPC it for a while until your resources are better. hibernating and not giving him targets to fighting him head on.
Now it is up to you. There is not magic pill or solution. Your guys have declared support. You have a corp that seems from here starting to gel. You can take this opportunity to build your corp from here. This will build part of your history and story line of your corp.
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:20:00 -
[48]
You realize he's actually been in the thread, right? And that any advice that I've taken is now moot?
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
Apocalypse Ponies
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:21:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Sniper Wolf18 on 16/07/2008 03:22:22
Originally by: Terrus Valkin
Actually, I know exactly what caused them to wardec us. For one, Wolf would love any excuse to kill newbies, and for two one of my members denied a duel with him and stole from his can (what a load of drama to go through for 3 antimatter charges). Perfect opportunity to find out about us.
By the way, the description is to make an impression of professional conduct and organization. The unfortunate downside of that description is that sometimes it's seen by the wrong people.
But... since when did this thread become the "woe is me" thread? I never asked why he would wardec us. I asked for solutions.
Actually it was a combination of your members locking me for no reason
Your merc corp description (with nothing to back it up)
The fact that one of your members agrees to 1v1 me, so i drop out a can, about 3 other guys show up then about 30 mins of drama ensues involving you guys locking and orbiting me. You wasted my time, so now i shall waste yours
Your foul odor
And YOUR face
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
You realize he's actually been in the thread, right? And that any advice that I've taken is now moot?
You realize that you posted this on a PUBLIC forum and any advice that was given was probably used for the laughs of the general public of eve?
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:25:00 -
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god i'm glad I don't live in empire 
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
Apocalypse Ponies
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:27:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Haradgrim
god i'm glad I don't live in empire
lol
this should probably be moved to CAOD as it has quickly devolved into a flame eachother post
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:27:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 16/07/2008 03:28:35
Lol, I'm not going to be brought into a verbal fight with you - mostly because I already have the actual fight to worry about. But hey, you said it yourself, to my face - you wardec'd us to extort money. I'm not paying. Tah dah! :D
There's no point talking here anymore, and it's pretty much obvious why.
/thread
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
You realize he's actually been in the thread, right? And that any advice that I've taken is now moot?
Who cares. there is only so many options you can take and he knows it. You do not have to listen to what he says. He is trying to make you take the path he wants you to take. Take the path you will take for your corp and your self.
Look dude even if this is a pretty open ended game, there is only so many options one can take. Just play the hand, and play it your way. Get you guys involved and get a direction and then go with it.
I personally would have fun with it.
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Sarizah
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:30:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Terrus Valkin
You realize he's actually been in the thread, right? And that any advice that I've taken is now moot?
you're silly ... he read your thread so now you can give up and die
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:30:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 16/07/2008 03:30:22
I never said that I was giving up or anything like that. I'm pointing out that discussion in this thread is no longer useful... so it'd be wiser not to bother with it anymore.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 16/07/2008 03:30:55
Originally by: Farrqua
Who cares. there is only so many options you can take and he knows it. You do not have to listen to what he says. He is trying to make you take the path he wants you to take. Take the path you will take for your corp and your self.
Look dude even if this is a pretty open ended game, there is only so many options one can take. Just play the hand, and play it your way. Get you guys involved and get a direction and then go with it.
I personally would have fun with it.
This is good advice. Not just for this situation but for EVE as a whole. We give you advice but the path you take is yours and yours alone.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:31:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
Originally by: Haradgrim
god i'm glad I don't live in empire
lol
this should probably be moved to CAOD as it has quickly devolved into a flame eachother post
just for shiggs and gittles, wanna 1 v 1 wolf? 
Eve-mail me if you do.
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Gruxella
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:43:00 -
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Edited by: Gruxella on 16/07/2008 03:44:01
t1 cruisers or even frigates if you can't afford a t1 fit cruiser can do a lot of damage. For less than 10 mil (then you get insurance) you can fit a t1 cruiser that does a decent amount of damage with a decent tank. Get 15 of those and start killing those hacs. Each hac you kill is probably worth at least 10 of those cruisers if not more.
Just please don't use implants. Or, learn to spam warp on a celestial object as your ship goes deep into structure.
edit: Expect to die.
Eventually you will learn just what your ships can do. Until then, keep getting blown up until ya figure out something epic :)
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Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2008.07.16 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
I never said that I was giving up or anything like that. I'm pointing out that discussion in this thread is no longer useful... so it'd be wiser not to bother with it anymore.
Acquiring knowledge is always useful. The more you learn or can be inspired by the advices here, the better. It is a good bet your enemy don't learn anything new by reading the advices in this thread, so you can only win by learning. :)
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Terrus Valkin
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Posted - 2008.07.16 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 16/07/2008 04:44:39
Edited by: Terrus Valkin on 16/07/2008 04:42:09
This isn't so bad. I'm not bored, let's put it that way. And now I don't have to bother finding a target and conducting a big op on my own - the enemy came to us. Win or lose it should be fun.
Call me suicidal but if this turns out to be as anticlimactic as I think it might be, then I'm going to be really annoyed. I'd rather fight. Methinks it's time to test the ole' corp description against the real experience. Tell me, Sniper, do you have any other wardecs issues? We could use some allies. 
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