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Xanos Blackpaw Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:39:00 - [1] whats the max dps you can get from a ship in this game? this is pure theory...isk dont mather and nothing else exept the dps...what ship and fittings should you use for max theoretical dps?
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:41:00 - [2] I'll bite: DDD?
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:42:00 - [3] Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw whats the max dps you can get from a ship in this game? this is pure theory...isk dont mather and nothing else exept the dps...what ship and fittings should you use for max theoretical dps? id assume an insanely pimped moros with t2 sentries..
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:43:00 - [4] Originally by: Haradgrim I'll bite: DDD? actually thats not quite true..dd's fire so slowly that their only effective due to area of effect dmg. if we look at dps in a 1v1 role, dd wldnt be highest ;)
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Haradgrim I'll bite: DDD? DDD is low Damage Per Second - it's, what, about 50 DPS or something? I can't quite remember. Highest DPS you can realistically get on a ship (i.e. not jsut Eve Fit Megathron with 7 MFS etc) is about 1200-1300 - that's with maxed skills, faction/deadspace equipment and so forth.
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Ralara DDD is low Damage Per Second - it's, what, about 50 DPS or something? I can't quite remember. Highest DPS you can realistically get on a ship (i.e. not jsut Eve Fit Megathron with 7 MFS etc) is about 1200-1300 - that's with maxed skills, faction/deadspace equipment and so forth. i still think that a moros in siege mode with t2 sentries at optimal with full set of t2 rigs and mag stabs in the lows will beat 1300dps ;) poudly annoying fc's since 2007
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Haradgrim I'll bite: DDD? DDD is low Damage Per Second - it's, what, about 50 DPS or something? I can't quite remember. Highest DPS you can realistically get on a ship (i.e. not jsut Eve Fit Megathron with 7 MFS etc) is about 1200-1300 - that's with maxed skills, faction/deadspace equipment and so forth. Uh, pretty sure you can get around that with your run of the mill blasterthron. You can overheat a kronos to get around 1800 or something... I'll try and recreate.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Haradgrim on 16/07/2008 15:53:48 Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Haradgrim I'll bite: DDD? actually thats not quite true..dd's fire so slowly that their only effective due to area of effect dmg. if we look at dps in a 1v1 role, dd wldnt be highest ;) But it has an AoE damage effect, so the damage to all ships must be measured and since that makes it theorectically infinity (since there is technically no hard limit to the amount of ships on a grid).....amirite? -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:54:00 - [9] No EFT atm but highest dps will be a moros, my theoretical fitting for when I buy a moros will be shield tanked so it can fit more mag stabs and that reaches around 6.6k dps w/o faction ammo or any faction mods, all T1 or capital (and sporting a 5k dps tank)
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:56:00 - [10] So far, Moros wins hands down. [Moros, New Setup 1] Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II Tobias' Modified Warp Disruptor Tobias' Modified Stasis Webifier Draclira's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge XL Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge XL Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge XL Siege Module I Sentry Damage Augmentor I Sentry Damage Augmentor I [empty rig slot] Garde II x5 8603 DPS, 9705 overheated.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:58:00 - [11] Well, DDD has a theoretical infinite damage, the only practical limit is to how many ships you catch in a grid. Same goes for regular smartbombs too, but it's a much lower practical limit on how many people you can get in range. 1.2k targetted DPS is nothing to write home about either, as max-skills T2 gank fits with faction ammo and T2 sentry drones and drone damage rigs plus a damage/rof implant push that envelope on many ships already... and let's not even start about overheating on a megapulse Paladin or torp Golem, for instance. Hell, dreads in siege mode go above 3k DPS, motherships can reach over 2.5k fighter DPS, again, theoretically, against some types of targets. Moros out of siege has an impressive drone damage alone too. And so on and so forth. But eventually, the OP's question is pointless - if ISK is not a factor, why do you even care ? _ *The mineral/moonstuff balance \|\| THE* nanofix**
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Wil Smithx No EFT atm but highest dps will be a moros, my theoretical fitting for when I buy a moros will be shield tanked so it can fit more mag stabs and that reaches around 6.6k dps w/o faction ammo or any faction mods, all T1 or capital (and sporting a 5k dps tank) You're doing to die a horrible death. Originally by: Akita T Well, DDD has a theoretical infinite damage, the only practical limit is to how many ships you catch in a grid. Because ships can not overlap, there is a limit to how many ships can be hit by a DDD My favorite part was the skill remark. That made my day
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Akita T Well, DDD has a theoretical infinite damage, the only practical limit is to how many ships you catch in a grid. Because ships can not overlap, there is a limit to how many ships can be hit by a DDD Server would croak long before that limit is reached _ *The mineral/moonstuff balance \|\| THE* nanofix**
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:06:00 - [14] Originally by: Haradgrim Edited by: Haradgrim on 16/07/2008 15:53:48 Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Haradgrim I'll bite: DDD? actually thats not quite true..dd's fire so slowly that their only effective due to area of effect dmg. if we look at dps in a 1v1 role, dd wldnt be highest ;) But it has an AoE damage effect, so the damage to all ships must be measured and since that makes it theorectically infinity (since there is technically no hard limit to the amount of ships on a grid).....amirite? shhhhhhh ull break eft but its easier to measure it in 1v1 as then it can be a uniform test on all ships poudly annoying fc's since 2007
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:11:00 - [15] u know i think a phoenix may give a moros a run for its moenny. assume max sp (remember armageddon day :D) if a phoenix uses t2 sentries (they take up the same room as heavies right? correct me if wrong) and has 3 citadel torp launchers that hit for round 20k a pop. if the phoenix was 0 m from target, flighttime cld not reduce dps, and it cld simply have parked sentries at optiaml earlier on.. it cld beat the moros :o poudly annoying fc's since 2007
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:12:00 - [16] Edited by: Wil Smithx on 16/07/2008 16:12:27 Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Wil Smithx No EFT atm but highest dps will be a moros, my theoretical fitting for when I buy a moros will be shield tanked so it can fit more mag stabs and that reaches around 6.6k dps w/o faction ammo or any faction mods, all T1 or capital (and sporting a 5k dps tank) You're doing to die a horrible death. Yea I meant all T2 or capital, damn lol, T1 fit dread... I would cry. If your saying I will die horribly because of the shield tank and fact I'm using mag stab, I plan to use this ship for pos killing (admittedly I'll have to use longer range ammo which will hurt damage a little) and thus the only way a pos can kill me is if it has neut towers, and you need some MAJOR cap stability to not get screwed by those (since they drain 100 cap per second a piece)(also I can drop mag stabs for cap flux if need be)
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Haradgrim I'll bite: DDD? normal BS should out dps a DDD whit a breeze DDD has sick alpha but very low dps (damage per second) highest dps should be some dread whit officer mods in siege probably(i dunno.. just quessing) moros whit all lvl 5 ion capital blasters + faction AM + ogre 2 in siege whit 4x officer Mag stabs = 8100+ DPS little eft warrioring :D ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:26:00 - [18] Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 16/07/2008 16:26:17 Originally by: Wil Smithx Yea I meant all T2 or capital, damn lol, T1 fit dread... I would cry. If your saying I will die horribly because of the shield tank and fact I'm using mag stab, I plan to use this ship for pos killing (admittedly I'll have to use longer range ammo which will hurt damage a little) and thus the only way a pos can kill me is if it has neut towers, and you need some MAJOR cap stability to not get screwed by those (since they drain 100 cap per second a piece)(also I can drop mag stabs for cap flux if need be) I will admit, my EFT whoring abilities failed me, overall tanked DPS is extremely low (4k at best, 3k if you use 4 damage mods, which is what you'll need to get near your dps figure while using 5 heavies, which also can't be used on the pos itself). A manned pos will break a 4k sustained tank before the 10 minutes are up easily, 'specially with such awful resists. You might get away with specially tanking for a single pos gun type, but that'll just leave you open when the hot drop happens. My favorite part was the skill remark. That made my day
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 16/07/2008 16:26:17 Originally by: Wil Smithx Yea I meant all T2 or capital, damn lol, T1 fit dread... I would cry. If your saying I will die horribly because of the shield tank and fact I'm using mag stab, I plan to use this ship for pos killing (admittedly I'll have to use longer range ammo which will hurt damage a little) and thus the only way a pos can kill me is if it has neut towers, and you need some MAJOR cap stability to not get screwed by those (since they drain 100 cap per second a piece)(also I can drop mag stabs for cap flux if need be) I will admit, my EFT whoring abilities failed me, overall tanked DPS is extremely low (4k at best, 3k if you use 4 damage mods, which is what you'll need to get near your dps figure while using 5 heavies, which also can't be used on the pos itself). A manned pos will break a 4k sustained tank before the 10 minutes are up easily, 'specially with such awful resists. You might get away with specially tanking for a single pos gun type, but that'll just leave you open when the hot drop happens. Can't contradict you atm since I'm at work with no EFT but I managed a fitting that did do 6.6k dps while maintaining a decent tank, I'm pretty sure it was over 5km, def over 4, though that was before the res nerf so who knows, out now so cant really reply lol
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Wil Smithx Can't contradict you atm since I'm at work with no EFT but I managed a fitting that did do 6.6k dps while maintaining a decent tank, I'm pretty sure it was over 5km, def over 4, though that was before the res nerf so who knows, out now so cant really reply lol I'd say go armor tank; if anything, just to avoid the total "lols" from the enemy alliance if you manage to die. My favorite part was the skill remark. That made my day
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:44:00 - [21] An Ibis shooting a fuel canister makes for nice dps.
P'uck	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:47:00 - [22] i don't know if it has been mentioned, but let me just nitpick: DDD damage, like smartbomb damage, is actually mainly dependant on the thing it hits. so if your grid is full of ships, DDD can probably reach a VERY high theoretical dps :) sure you have to divide the damage a single blast does by 3600, but then again, you have to multiply it by the things you hit (well not really, since most targets dont take the full hit before they pop )
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:53:00 - [23] I imagine for most of us, the max DPS will come from an overheated torp raven/cnr. IIRC, a regular Raven can put out 1300, and a CNR 1600+. The usual disclaimers about explo radius and explo velocity apply. -Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Derek Sigres on 16/07/2008 18:15:26 Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw whats the max dps you can get from a ship in this game? this is pure theory...isk dont mather and nothing else exept the dps...what ship and fittings should you use for max theoretical dps? Max DPS probably comes from a seiged dred with faction/officer weapon mods and weapon rigs, overheating their guns/launchers. The number would probably be a LOT but for giggles a phoenix with an impossibe fit (full lows of estamiel BCS) and implants AND heat yields 6800 DPS. Caveats include: Tank? Also, shooting anything smaller than a stationary cap ship. *edit - forgot that Phoenix has 25% damage bonus to Kinetic
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw whats the max dps you can get from a ship in this game? this is pure theory...isk dont mather and nothing else exept the dps...what ship and fittings should you use for max theoretical dps? Max DPS probably comes from a seiged dred with faction/officer weapon mods and weapon rigs, overheating their guns/launchers. The number would probably be a LOT but for giggles a phoenix with an impossibe fit (full lows of estamiel BCS) and implants AND heat yields 5500 DPS. Caveats include: Tank? Also, shooting anything smaller than a stationary cap ship. Pssst, check the moros setup above.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:23:00 - [26] Originally by: AstroPhobic Pssst, check the moros setup above. TBFH, that Moros is pretty weak. I was always a fan of the Rev during the "siege-infinite-dps" bug a while back. Apparently there was a way to make the Rev's ROF 0. -Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: AstroPhobic Pssst, check the moros setup above. TBFH, that Moros is pretty weak. I was always a fan of the Rev during the "siege-infinite-dps" bug a while back. Apparently there was a way to make the Rev's ROF 0. -Liang Do want. Well, nobody's topped my EFT-DPS figure yet. I'm pretty sure your ravens would get curbstomped by a kronos, though.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:33:00 - [28] Originally by: AstroPhobic I'm pretty sure your ravens would get curbstomped by a kronos, though. I'm pretty sure my Raven has 5 light ECM drones in the drone bay to take care of that Kronos. ;-) -Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Lanu	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:36:00 - [29] Moros Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer x 7 Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge XL x 3 overloaded Siege Module I Hybrid Burst Aerator II Hybrid Burst Aerator II Ogre II x5 5% xl hybrid turret damage implant 5% all turret damage implant 11 738 DPS 60 042 damage alpha strike
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Lanu Moros Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer x 7 Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge XL x 3 overloaded Siege Module I Hybrid Burst Aerator II Hybrid Burst Aerator II Ogre II x5 5% xl hybrid turret damage implant 5% all turret damage implant 11 738 DPS 60 042 damage alpha strike edit- cant fit 2 of those t2 rigs, with t1 rigs its 10 769 dps What happens if you replace Ogres for Garde II's and replace an Aerator with a SDA? -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Lanu	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:43:00 - [31] Originally by: Liang Nuren What happens if you replace Ogres for Garde II's and replace an Aerator with a SDA? 10815 dps & 60048 alpha Highest for a titan so far is around 8.8k dps
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.16 19:04:00 - [32] Edited by: baltec1 on 16/07/2008 19:04:44 Its possible to get a nightmare up to 1607 DPS and with tracking so crazy not even an 11km/s inti can escape
El'Tar Caldari Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.07.16 19:09:00 - [33] Originally by: baltec1 Edited by: baltec1 on 16/07/2008 19:04:44 Its possible to get a nightmare up to 1607 DPS and with tracking so crazy not even an 11km/s inti can escape posible shmoshible,i dnt give a flyin fibb wot sum ships "can" do, cos it not practical, or summat ________________________________________________ MY BIG BROTHER BEING JESUS CHRIST IN HIS BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.16 19:26:00 - [34] Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: baltec1 Edited by: baltec1 on 16/07/2008 19:04:44 Its possible to get a nightmare up to 1607 DPS and with tracking so crazy not even an 11km/s inti can escape posible shmoshible,i dnt give a flyin fibb wot sum ships "can" do, cos it not practical, or summat bah, who needs a tank anyway for a 50 billion ship!
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.16 19:37:00 - [35] Edited by: Ralara on 16/07/2008 19:37:51 Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Ralara DDD is low Damage Per Second - it's, what, about 50 DPS or something? I can't quite remember. Highest DPS you can realistically get on a ship (i.e. not jsut Eve Fit Megathron with 7 MFS etc) is about 1200-1300 - that's with maxed skills, faction/deadspace equipment and so forth. i still think that a moros in siege mode with t2 sentries at optimal with full set of t2 rigs and mag stabs in the lows will beat 1300dps ;) Yes a Moros will probably beat that but not a lot of people fly them and I think the OP was on about sub-capitals. As for someone who said they can get 1800 DPS out of their Kronos, I'm not seeing it - I can get about 1300-1350 with maxed skills using a tech 2 setup here, I don't see where the other 500 DPS is coming from, and that's with 3 Mag Stabs. One thing to consider with the Kronos though is it's designed for an Active tank and also unfortunately has a very low sensor strength. --
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.16 19:42:00 - [36] Originally by: Ralara As for someone who said they can get 1800 DPS out of their Kronos, I'm not seeing it - I can get about 1300-1350 with maxed skills using a tech 2 setup here, I don't see where the other 500 DPS is coming from, and that's with 3 Mag Stabs. One thing to consider with the Kronos though is it's designed for an Active tank and also unfortunately has a very low sensor strength. See the last post on the first page.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.16 19:50:00 - [37] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Ralara As for someone who said they can get 1800 DPS out of their Kronos, I'm not seeing it - I can get about 1300-1350 with maxed skills using a tech 2 setup here, I don't see where the other 500 DPS is coming from, and that's with 3 Mag Stabs. One thing to consider with the Kronos though is it's designed for an Active tank and also unfortunately has a very low sensor strength. See the last post on the first page. I believe I used the word "realistically" --
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.16 19:51:00 - [38] Originally by: Ralara I believe I used the word "realistically" No you didn't. The OP didn't want realistically, anyway.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.16 20:10:00 - [39] Originally by: AstroPhobic No you didn't. The OP didn't want realistically, anyway. Ok, I want realistically ganky (no tackle required) damage dealers from T1 (insurable) ships using nothing more than T2 mods and T1 rigs. print map { "Most damage at ${_}km: \n" } map { $_ * 5 } 1 .. 50; -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.16 20:14:00 - [40] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Ralara I believe I used the word "realistically" No you didn't. Err, I think I did: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=824413&page=1#5 --
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.16 20:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Ralara I believe I used the word "realistically" No you didn't. Err, I think I did: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=824413&page=1#5 I didn't simply fill lowslots with damage mods. I did use expensive stuff though, I made a "real" fit.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.16 20:29:00 - [42] Edited by: Ralara on 16/07/2008 20:29:50 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: AstroPhobic No you didn't. The OP didn't want realistically, anyway. Ok, I want realistically ganky (no tackle required) damage dealers from T1 (insurable) ships using nothing more than T2 mods and T1 rigs. print map { "Most damage at ${_}km: \n" } map { $_ * 5 } 1 .. 50; -Liang Ok well as long as you know you'll need someone to help tackle for you... Either a Raven or a Megathron. Both can do 1000+ DPS and maintain a nice tank. Raven fit is pretty similar to missions actually, if you're not tackling. 6x Siege Missile Launcher IIs XL Shield Booster Shield Boost Amp 1x Invuln II 1x EM II Cap Recharger II / Capacitor Booster / 100mn MWD Target Painter 3x Ballistic Control System II 2x Power Diagnostic System II 5x Hammerhead II and 5x Warrior II Rigs: either 3x CCC or some sort of missile rig I guess. Fit NOS / Neuts / Medium Blasters etc to taste. about 1100-1200 DPS Megathron: 7x Large Neutron Blaster II 1x 100mn MWD II 1x Stasis Webifier II 1x Capacitor Injector II 1x Tracking Computer II (if you're not warp scrambling) 3x Magnetic Field Stabalisers 1x Explosive Passive Resistance 1x EAMM II 2x 1600mm Rolled Tungston 5x Ogre II 3x Trimarks Very tight fit and you'll need a CPU implant but it throws out about 1300 DPS. --
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.16 20:35:00 - [43] Originally by: Ralara Raven, 1100 DPS Mega, 1300 DPS Is that overloaded and with faction ammo? Also, did you look into the Tempest (yarr!), Phoon (oh baby), Geddon, or Apoc? What about at the various ranges? :P -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.16 20:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Ralara Raven, 1100 DPS Mega, 1300 DPS Is that overloaded and with faction ammo? Also, did you look into the Tempest (yarr!), Phoon (oh baby), Geddon, or Apoc? What about at the various ranges? :P -Liang Hold up there - the poster didn't ASK about USEFUL dps Just what was the most a ship could do. I feel my entry is more useful than the moros, especially if I could dupe the moros into hitting seige mode before I did the same, then just slowboat outside his tiny "horrible pain radius" and leasurely pound it with Torps. As a side note regarding usefulness, can an Blaster Armed AM loaded Moros actually hit a large POS in terms of range? I don't feel like looking but I'd bet the answer is probably a "yeah, in falloff"
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.16 20:54:00 - [45] Originally by: Derek Sigres Hold up there - the poster didn't ASK about USEFUL dps Just what was the most a ship could do. I feel my entry is more useful than Quoted for the lols.
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Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.16 21:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Ralara Raven, 1100 DPS Mega, 1300 DPS Is that overloaded and with faction ammo? Also, did you look into the Tempest (yarr!), Phoon (oh baby), Geddon, or Apoc? What about at the various ranges? :P -Liang Not on overload, but yes with faction ammo. Overloaded, the Raven does 1300 (30ish km range), Megathron does just under 1500 with a 4.5km optimal, 13km falloff. I'm not all that familiar with amarr or minmitar ships so wouldn't want to make a setup for them :) --
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.16 21:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Ralara Not on overload, but yes with faction ammo. Overloaded, the Raven does 1300 (30ish km range), Megathron does just under 1500 with a 4.5km optimal, 13km falloff. I'm not all that familiar with amarr or minmitar ships so wouldn't want to make a setup for them :) So it looks like the Megathron wins < 10km, and the Raven out to 30km, and then the Geddon out to 50, and then the Apoc out to 250? -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2008.07.16 22:00:00 - [49] Please passive tank PvP ravens if you're not fitting tackle. Fitting a booster these days is like **ing into the wind in gang combat. ________ Originally by:** Tarminic I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.16 22:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Ralara Not on overload, but yes with faction ammo. Overloaded, the Raven does 1300 (30ish km range), Megathron does just under 1500 with a 4.5km optimal, 13km falloff. I'm not all that familiar with amarr or minmitar ships so wouldn't want to make a setup for them :) So it looks like the Megathron wins < 10km, and the Raven out to 30km, and then the Geddon out to 50, and then the Apoc out to 250? -Liang It would be interesting to see a comparison graph of Rokh Damage at 90km+ vs Apoc at 90km+ up to say 250. I think the Rokh probably wins from about 90-130 but I could be wrong -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.16 22:42:00 - [51] Originally by: Admiral Pelleon Please passive tank PvP ravens if you're not fitting tackle. Fitting a booster these days is like ***ing into the wind in gang combat. Ravens aren't all that hot at passive tanking. The Rokh can do it due to the native resistances but the Raven... not so much. You can* do it, yes, but to be honest, I wouldn't. --
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.16 22:44:00 - [52] Originally by: Haradgrim Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Ralara Not on overload, but yes with faction ammo. Overloaded, the Raven does 1300 (30ish km range), Megathron does just under 1500 with a 4.5km optimal, 13km falloff. I'm not all that familiar with amarr or minmitar ships so wouldn't want to make a setup for them :) So it looks like the Megathron wins < 10km, and the Raven out to 30km, and then the Geddon out to 50, and then the Apoc out to 250? -Liang It would be interesting to see a comparison graph of Rokh Damage at 90km+ vs Apoc at 90km+ up to say 250. I think the Rokh probably wins from about 90-130 but I could be wrong --
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.16 23:04:00 - [53] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 16/07/2008 23:06:24 Any reason you only put 2 damage mods on? At any rate, that's about the distribution that I expected out of it. -Liang Ed: I'm also really curious what kind of Tempest/Apoc fits left you with the PG for 3 optimal rigs on 1400's and Tachs... -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.07.16 23:14:00 - [54] Edited by: Ralara on 16/07/2008 23:14:35 Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 16/07/2008 23:06:24 Any reason you only put 2 damage mods on? At any rate, that's about the distribution that I expected out of it. -Liang Ed: I'm also really curious what kind of Tempest/Apoc fits left you with the PG for 3 optimal rigs on 1400's and Tachs... Oh, I didn't make that graph, it was on Google (I'd seen it before so searched for it to help answer your question) - what the fittings are I don't know - I assume some sort of sniping fleet setup. EDIT: I'd also imagine that adding 1 damage mod to each of those ships wouldn't really affect the relative firepower all that much. Everything would just shift about 50-100 DPS upwards I guess. --
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.16 23:21:00 - [55] Originally by: Ralara EDIT: I'd also imagine that adding 1 damage mod to each of those ships wouldn't really affect the relative firepower all that much. Everything would just shift about 50-100 DPS upwards I guess. Yeah, it just seemed an odd choice after fitting 3 optimal rigs. The fits are obviously no tank, max range fits. I think it'd be more informative to have realistic cookie-cutter fits compared. Then the problem comes from establishing the "cookie-cutter". No matter how sane you make your fits, someone will ***** because it's not theirs (and their fit fixes that hole left in yours.. at the cost of 2 other holes). -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Spicer	Posted - 2008.07.16 23:36:00 - [56] Thats all nice dps, gives me some good ideas, but i`m looking at the ` Thanatos ` 20 T2 Wardens i`m seeing around 200 damage each and thay are firing around every 3.5 seconds for a total of around 4000, thats 68,560 damage every 60 sec. and 4,113,600 per hour. now I`m sure that fighters would do alot better. but i have never had the chance to work with fighters. I`m just saying
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.16 23:39:00 - [57] I assume that's for a POS siege? Make sure you have some remote reps fit for your BS's that get hit. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
The Station THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.07.16 23:53:00 - [58] http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dpssssssskv3.png lets not get into overheating ;o
The Station THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.07.17 00:15:00 - [59] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: The Station Edited by: The Station on 17/07/2008 00:00:19 http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dpssssssskv3.png http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dszqk4.png Nice, but you can only fit and/or activate one siege module at a time I'm afraid. no u
d3vo The Space BorderLine Diabolic Paradox	Posted - 2008.07.17 03:21:00 - [60] highest hitting battleship is the state raven 8 estamel seiges, 6 estamel bcs pushes 2k dps __________ \(^.^)/
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.17 04:28:00 - [61] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Admiral Pelleon Please passive tank PvP ravens if you're not fitting tackle. Fitting a booster these days is like ***ing into the wind in gang combat. Ravens aren't all that hot at passive tanking. The Rokh can do it due to the native resistances but the Raven... not so much. You can* do it, yes, but to be honest, I wouldn't. By passive tanking he means a buffer. And to be brutally honest in anything other than a 1 v 1 situation a buffer tank will keep you alive longer than boosting. Admittedly we shied tanking pilots have a native advantage in effeciency of boosters in terms of how many cycles our booster has to do to give us the HP equivalent of an LSE (Somewhere around four off the top of my head), and if you can actually fit a 5 slot tank on a raven I'd be willing to bet you can make active tanking better than buffer for small gang warfare just fine. Problems crop up when you try to fit some other non-tank modules in those mids - 3 slot active tank gives terrible EHP, but 5 slot gives you at least a reasonable EHP number along with a fair bit of boosting.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.17 19:25:00 - [62] Ralara, is that graph accounting for different faction ammo at varying ranges or did you just stick to CN lead or something for the navy hybrid ammo line? -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Vrikaan Phoenix M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.07.21 03:55:00 - [63] Edited by: Vrikaan Phoenix on 21/07/2008 03:55:29 Just tried this in EFT (using implants).... Moros Lows - 7x Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabs Highs - 3x Ion Siege Blaster Is [CN Antimatter] 1x Siege Mod Drones - 5x Garde II Rigs - 2x Sentry Damage Is Deals a whooping 9,499 DPS without overheating assuming you have a maxed out character
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 03:58:00 - [64] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: AstroPhobic I'm pretty sure your ravens would get curbstomped by a kronos, though. I'm pretty sure my Raven has 5 light ECM drones in the drone bay to take care of that Kronos. ;-) -Liang lol WIN pwend by lang haha poudly annoying fc's since 2007
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.21 03:59:00 - [65] Originally by: Vrikaan Phoenix Edited by: Vrikaan Phoenix on 21/07/2008 03:55:29 Just tried this in EFT (using implants).... Moros Lows - 7x Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabs Highs - 3x Ion Siege Blaster Is [CN Antimatter] 1x Siege Mod Drones - 5x Garde II Rigs - 2x Sentry Damage Is Deals a whooping 9,499 DPS without overheating assuming you have a maxed out character Use DG ammo instead for even more unreasonably high damage.
Vrikaan Phoenix M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.07.21 04:01:00 - [66] Edited by: Vrikaan Phoenix on 21/07/2008 04:02:20 Your right Derek - 9857 DPS with DG XL Antimatter Someone care to fill me in on Overheating in EFT and how you do it?
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 04:03:00 - [67] Originally by: BiggestT u know i think a phoenix may give a moros a run for its moenny. assume max sp (remember armageddon day :D) if a phoenix uses t2 sentries (they take up the same room as heavies right? correct me if wrong) and has 3 citadel torp launchers that hit for round 20k a pop. if the phoenix was 0 m from target, flighttime cld not reduce dps, and it cld simply have parked sentries at optiaml earlier on.. it cld beat the moros :o i see no-one commented on this, is it possible? poudly annoying fc's since 2007
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.21 04:04:00 - [68] Originally by: Vrikaan Phoenix Edited by: Vrikaan Phoenix on 21/07/2008 04:02:20 Your right Derek - 9857 DPS with DG XL Antimatter Someone care to fill me in on Overheating in EFT and how you do it? I think you right click on the checkmark and it becomes a flame icon. Should knock you above 12k dps.
Vrikaan Phoenix M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.07.21 04:06:00 - [69] @ Derek - thanks it worked @ BiggesT - tried it and it doesnt come close to comparing Also - Moros does 11,147 DPS with overheat
Wideen Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.21 08:04:00 - [70] [Revelation, pvp max dmg] Chelm's Modified Heat Sink Chelm's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Capital Armor Repairer I Damage Control II Chelm's Modified Heat Sink Chelm's Modified Heat Sink Chelm's Modified Heat Sink Chelm's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II ECCM - Radar II Sensor Booster II Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency XL Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency XL Siege Module I Energy Burst Aerator II [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Ogre II x5 7172 DPS, not overheated. 30k alpha. Reasonably priced
Kathira Gallente Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.21 10:06:00 - [71] Edited by: Kathira on 21/07/2008 10:07:55 Edited by: Kathira on 21/07/2008 10:06:48 [Dominix, Neutron Blaster] Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Ancillary Current Router I Sentry Damage Augmentor I Ancillary Current Router I Garde II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Garde II x1 Warrior II x5 Ogre II x5 Only Tech 2 Fitting and No Implants / 1308 normal DPS ( no overheating )with Garde II.
Jones Maloy Minmatar Revival.	Posted - 2008.07.22 01:35:00 - [72] stop fitting tanks you dang pansys. real men use 8 heatsinks. ----------- Real men use 8 heatsinks.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.07.22 01:46:00 - [73] Edited by: Spaztick on 22/07/2008 01:46:32 Damn right: Moros GANKATHON setup: 8 Cormack's MFS 3 Cap Rechargers Sensor Booster II ECCM 3 Ion Siege Blaster Cannon 1 w/DG Antimatter Siege Module Hybrid Collision Accelerator II Hybrid Burst Aerator II x2 9136 DPS inefinetely, 47000 alpha (or until you run out of stront) But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle	Posted - 2008.07.22 09:34:00 - [74] I can get a low greade faction fit typhoon with 1400 dps if i use EFT and high end officer im fairly sure with overheating i could each close to 2k. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
EvilSpork Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.22 12:34:00 - [75] i got bored last night and messed around with it. the best sub capital is the state raven, the best overall is the moros. pics of contenders: best sup-capital dps is hands down the state raven: the best non faction BS the... the humble raven: a close third is the kronos: 4th place goes to the golem: 5th is the typhoon: the hyperion holds 6th: 7th is held by the navy mega: 8th place goes to the armageddon: (amarr needs a buff) 9th is another amarrian battleship, the abaddon: and in 10th place is the nightmare: capitals: best overall damage: revelation has the second best overall damage: followed by the erebus titan: nyx just so i have a mommy in here:
Dheorl Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.22 12:40:00 - [76] 1) Take 1 stealth bomber with bomb launcher fitted 2) Fill up area with some ships 3) Watch the fireworks 4) ???? 5) Profit.
EvilSpork Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.22 12:43:00 - [77] oh, if all you care about is eft, heres the winner: 4.008916E8 damage.. LOL
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.07.22 12:50:00 - [78] Evilspork just won EFT on a related note your guns on the nightmare aren't overloaded
Dheorl Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.22 13:05:00 - [79] Originally by: EvilSpork oh, if all you care about is eft, heres the winner: 4.008916E8 damage.. LOL Works better on the erebus, oh and gun damage rigs will improve it more than drone damage rigs.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.07.22 19:25:00 - [80] Oh i forgot to overload the moros setup: 9515 dps, 54486 alpha. Linkage But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
EvilSpork Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.22 19:55:00 - [81] Originally by: Captator Evilspork just won EFT on a related note your guns on the nightmare aren't overloaded oops. fixed that. heh.. ok heres the erebus eft style:

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