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Calvin Firenze Minmatar Thanos and Killjoy Productions	Posted - 2008.07.21 10:43:00 - [31] It wouldn't be as popular if Heath Ledger were still alive. No I haven't seen the movie. I'm waiting for the ******s to stop crowding the goddamn theatre.
Jerald Lutney Gallente Solarforge Manufacturing	Posted - 2008.07.21 21:51:00 - [32] Haven't seen it yet, investigating a time frame in which to do so. Things I am given to understand by people who love the movie and the comics: 1) Heath Ledger will join the elite (?) ranks of actors who get an Oscar after their demise. 2) For villains, a female opponent would be good, however if there is one I would like to see, it would not be Selena nor Ivy. I DEMAND to see Harley Quinn, since she was not featured in Dark Knight. 3) First six minutes are insane. 4) long movie is long. Solarforge Manufacturing Making T2 Invention easier than IKEA assembly!
Gary Webb	Posted - 2008.07.22 00:22:00 - [33] Mad Hatter ftw
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.22 00:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Frankinator Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Not seen it yet but honestly I think that it looks pretty bad... I do not like this new imagining of Batman at all. Right, and Im sure your favorite style of Batman was the horrible renditions with George Clooney? Or maybe it was the rendition with Val Kilmer? This Batman is gonna be the shit! Michael Keaton was good, but my favourite imagining was The Animated Series. It had just the right mix of everything. This Batman has a murderer playing Batman, a sociopathic arch-criminal joker, and the first movie had a really poor version of Ras Al-Gool(sp?) in it. When Joker says "Do I look like a man with a plan?" to Two-Face, all I could think of was "yes, yes you do" because he had had a total master plan the whole movie. His actions were always methodical and precise, and he seemed to kill for the sake of it. Joker is a psychopath, not a sociopath.
Hoban Gallifrey New Eden University	Posted - 2008.07.22 01:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Originally by: Frankinator Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Not seen it yet but honestly I think that it looks pretty bad... I do not like this new imagining of Batman at all. Right, and Im sure your favorite style of Batman was the horrible renditions with George Clooney? Or maybe it was the rendition with Val Kilmer? This Batman is gonna be the shit! Michael Keaton was good, but my favourite imagining was The Animated Series. It had just the right mix of everything. This Batman has a murderer playing Batman, a sociopathic arch-criminal joker, and the first movie had a really poor version of Ras Al-Gool(sp?) in it. When Joker says "Do I look like a man with a plan?" to Two-Face, all I could think of was "yes, yes you do" because he had had a total master plan the whole movie. His actions were always methodical and precise, and he seemed to kill for the sake of it. Joker is a psychopath, not a sociopath. You need to read more comics...
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.22 07:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Arcon Telf Awesome. Go see it. Now. I'm not kidding. Do it now. QFT holy ** this was one great movie. by far the best rendition of batman in a movie ever, and on top of that somehow they managed to top the last one they made (huge fan of the various comics and the animated series and 'some' of the movies) Originally by:** Robert Rosenberg This Batman has a murderer playing Batman, a sociopathic arch-criminal joker, and the first movie had a really poor version of Ras Al-Gool(sp?) in it. 1) batman a murderer? either you haven't paid much attention or your just rambling w/o any idea what you are talking about 2) joker is both a sociopath, a psycopath, and a few other 'paths' all rolled together with a franchise like this that is generations old and has had MANY different ppl tell and alter the story, it really depends on the interpretation of the character. in the caase of the joker, i was shocked at how well heath ledger did. no one ever did a joker like that and i don't think anyone could again. he made it his own to be sure yeah, on second thought, you have no clue what you are talking about. one of those whiny ppl that aren't really pleased by anything because you tend to be overly nostalgic and remember everything from your idealistic past a bit better than they probably were. it's how you subconsciously justify the bitter surrounds you face as an adult. or, as my favorite comedian would have put it: ôScratch any cynic, and youÆll find a disappointed idealist.ö WHAM! that will teach you to rip on this movie, dont do it again! IT WAS ****ing AWSOME everyone go see it now go see it now ------------------------------ of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
fairimear Gallente S.A.S Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.07.24 18:18:00 - [37] Edited by: fairimear on 24/07/2008 18:26:29 SPOILER Best movie I've seen this year. Such a good movie deserves me to actually find a flaw. and i found 2: 1. If you are to believe he loved her that much he would never have gone to Dent. I don't care for any argument a bout justifying it the fact is that every other event in the film suggested he would never have made that choice. The very fact he wanted Dent to take the mantel of hero was because of her. And the only reason he ended up needing the batman persona is in fact because of her death. 2. Dent was so very very well developed from hero to monster its a crying shame he probably wont be getting a sequel to show how far he could of descended into the depths of how a human becomes a monster. The joker is a warped persona. No longer a human and more a monster that like the film says wants society to burn. True Evil some would say. Dent is a monster born of tragedy and as such would have had reason and limits. But would of been a interesting villain in contrast to the joker. Ledgers Death has nearly most certainly doomed that. But i would of really liked to see in the end of a sequel the joker coming to relies what he made in two face is a monster that would even surpass his actions. Makeing your npc hunters SS.
Daziel Iaar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.24 19:14:00 - [38] Spoilers Got to say it was a great movie, i would of actully preferred them killing off the joker and saving two face instead, anyone who tries to take on the role of the joker will never live up to ledgers version and i really liked how two face came into being. "His Will Be Done"
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.24 19:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Calvin Firenze It wouldn't be as popular if Heath Ledger were still alive. No I haven't seen the movie. I'm waiting for the ******s to stop crowding the goddamn theatre. Before watching the movie I had no idea he was dead, I still thought his performance was awesome and he fit joker perfectly.
Shadow Goon Caldari Borg Collective hive mind	Posted - 2008.07.24 19:31:00 - [40] just download it, its out on torrents. pretty good moive.
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.24 19:39:00 - [41] Originally by: fairimear Edited by: fairimear on 24/07/2008 18:26:29 SPOILER Best movie I've seen this year. Such a good movie deserves me to actually find a flaw. and i found 2: 1. If you are to believe he loved her that much he would never have gone to Dent. I don't care for any argument a bout justifying it the fact is that every other event in the film suggested he would never have made that choice. The very fact he wanted Dent to take the mantel of hero was because of her. And the only reason he ended up needing the batman persona is in fact because of her death. Dude, did you miss the part were Joker told them the wrong places to go? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Arcon Telf Gallente Dark Tide Rising Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.07.24 19:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Tarminic Dude, did you miss the part were Joker told them the wrong places to go? This. -------^
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.24 22:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Calvin Firenze It wouldn't be as popular if Heath Ledger were still alive. I seriously doubt that considering how long we were talking about the film in OOPE. Then of course you've got your fanclub websites, Social network group forums, hollywood updates.......
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.24 23:23:00 - [44] Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:24:08 SOPILERS FROM THE FIRST MOVIE AHEAD, this is in response to the "batman is not a murderer" comments. In the first movie Batman is holding Ras Al-Ghoul (mispelled) in the train car, and he drops him and lets him die. In this one, he grabs joker. Also, in the first movie he goes with the gun to kill his parents' murderer. The only reason he does not kill him is because his girlfriend shows up. So basically the Christian Bale Batman is just as bad as the criminals.
Zyck Dkiller Delta Force Corp. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.07.24 23:34:00 - [45] Edited by: Zyck on 24/07/2008 23:34:20 *SPOILERS* Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:24:08 SOPILERS FROM THE FIRST MOVIE AHEAD, this is in response to the "batman is not a murderer" comments. In the first movie Batman is holding Ras Al-Ghoul (mispelled) in the train car, and he drops him and lets him die. In this one, he grabs joker. Also, in the first movie he goes with the gun to kill his parents' murderer. The only reason he does not kill him is because his girlfriend shows up. So basically the Christian Bale Batman is just as bad as the criminals. You seem to be completely missing the point of these movies. It's not meant to be a goody-goody spiderman happy movie. The whole point is that batman is a conflicted and troubled character who often has to stop himself crom crossing "the line." He's not meant to be some perfect idealist in a world of black and white where every choice and situation is obvious. You also got the first movie wrong. His not killing the criminal is because someone working for the mob killed him first, the scene with Rachel is later. That's also before he becomes Batman or has any training, he's just out of college at that point. He also never held Ras. He did what he needed to do to ensure the train never made it to the central building, and left. He didn't exactly tie Ras to the train, he simply didn't rescue him. -Zyck
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.24 23:45:00 - [46] Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:50:45 Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:45:04 So let me get this straight, you think that the Batman character is supposed to be "The Punisher" except without guns? EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH4ivETz32c (at 4 minutes in the fight takes place). You are right I slightly mis-remembered the ending, however knocking him to the ground, then de-railing the train and leaving him in it as he careens into a giant fireball explosion finale... If this were an FPS he would have been credited with the kill, and that pretty much is not batman. He NEVER leaves a man to die, it is what separates him from the criminals and he is not "conflicted" about crossing that line ever. The ONLY time he EVER even CONSIDERED killing someone was Black Mask in Wargames.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.24 23:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:24:08 SOPILERS FROM THE FIRST MOVIE AHEAD, this is in response to the "batman is not a murderer" comments. In the first movie Batman is holding Ras Al-Ghoul (mispelled) in the train car, and he drops him and lets him die. In this one, he grabs joker. Also, in the first movie he goes with the gun to kill his parents' murderer. The only reason he does not kill him is because his girlfriend shows up. So basically the Christian Bale Batman is just as bad as the criminals. Lets get a hearing of what he says on the train folks: "I can't kill you, but I don't have to save you either..." I would also like to go to earlier in the movie where he's asked to kill some random guy accused of murdering. What does he do? Doesn't kill the random man, destroys the building, and saves raz's life. And the gun scene is before he becomes batman as stated.
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.24 23:57:00 - [48] Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 24/07/2008 23:57:00 I guess if I shoot a guy and then he bleeds out on his own I did not murder him, I just decided not to save his life by applying first aid, is what you are saying?
Zyck Dkiller Delta Force Corp. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:02:00 - [49] Not a good analogy. It would be more akin to finding someone who'd been shot and doing nothing. It's certainlly possibly to argue the morality of it, but you didn't kill the guy. Batman didn't force Ras on to the train with the purpose of having him die in a fireball. -Zyck
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:04:00 - [50] Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 25/07/2008 00:05:22 Originally by: Zyck Not a good analogy. It would be more akin to finding someone who'd been shot and doing nothing. It's certainlly possibly to argue the morality of it, but you didn't kill the guy. Batman didn't force Ras on to the train with the purpose of having him die in a fireball. But he created the fireball circumstances. It is more akin to batman lighting a house on fire and then locking a guy inside of it. Yeah the fire killed him but whose fault was it? And CLEARLY the character is capable of murder, and even plotted to execute his parents' killer. He had his finger on the trigger when the mob hitman took care of him first.
Zyck Dkiller Delta Force Corp. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:06:00 - [51] I feel like this isn't going to end. But I'm having fun, so... It's more like Batman lighting a house on fire that housed a weapon that would blow up half the town. He didn't lock the guy inside, but didn't help him get out, and the guy broke into the house and likely killed those inside anyway. -Zyck
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:08:00 - [52] Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 25/07/2008 00:10:42 Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 25/07/2008 00:09:21 Originally by: Zyck I feel like this isn't going to end. But I'm having fun, so... It's more like Batman lighting a house on fire that housed a weapon that would blow up half the town. He didn't lock the guy inside, but didn't help him get out, and the guy broke into the house and likely killed those inside anyway. But he did lock Ra's Al'Ghul inside. He boarded the train, separated the lead car, beat the shit out of Ra's, and then derailed the train and jumped to safety while Ra's plummeted to his death. EDIT: The only argument that can be made in defense of the new movies is "Batman might be a stone-cold amoral killer but hey I always like The Punisher so the more parallels the better." Well, and that the special effects and action sequences are very well done. I liked the actor for two-face and wish they had not rushed his character so much. They did the same thing with Scarecrow and it is turning into a line of villain plot abortions and it makes it feel pretty weak to me.
Zyck Dkiller Delta Force Corp. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:13:00 - [53] Originally by: Robert Rosenberg But he did lock Ra's Al'Ghul inside. He boarded the train, separated the lead car, beat the shit out of Ra's, and then derailed the train and jumped to safety while Ra's plummeted to his death. EDIT: The only argument that can be made in defense of the new movies is "Batman might be a stone-cold amoral killer but hey I always like The Punisher so the more parallels the better." He boarded the train to attempt to stop it. The derailing that Gordon did was in case it couldn't be stopped, which turned out to be the case. He had to beat the crap out of Ras in order to try to stop it, but failed. He derailed the car because; A. he had to escape somehow and Ras wasn't going to let him stroll out the door, and B. because it would likely reduce the damage the train would inflict on whatever it hit. -Zyck
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:17:00 - [54] So your argument is that he was justified in killing Ra's? Sorry, that does not cut it. That indicates that the writers have not got a clue for putting him in a situation where the only way out is by murdering. Here is another analogy... Captain Picard is on a desert world with an away team. Their shuttle is destroyed and they wind up trapped in a cave with limited food and water. There are three members of the team, and only enough supplies to support two. What does Picard do? He splits the water three ways and in the nick of time a rescue team arrives led by Commander Riker and they all live. Why? BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE MYTHOS WORKS!
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:19:00 - [55] Nothing was stopping Raz from getting out. I think we were watching 2 different movies
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:20:00 - [56] Edited by: Robert Rosenberg on 25/07/2008 00:21:05 doublepost
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:21:00 - [57] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Nothing was stopping Raz from getting out. I think we were watching 2 different movies Probably the 100 foot fall was a deal-breaker on the jump to safety plan, or maybe it was the fact that the writers fancy Batman as a unhinged psychopath ready to kill anyone who gets in the way of his idea of "justice".
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:26:00 - [58] Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Nothing was stopping Raz from getting out. I think we were watching 2 different movies Probably the 100 foot fall was a deal-breaker on the jump to safety plan. So the guy trains an army of ninja's in various martial art techniques, concealment, and movement and he's incompetent of getting out of a tight spot eh? And how many movies have we seen where we think the person is dead and yet they spring up again?
Zyck Dkiller Delta Force Corp. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:36:00 - [59] Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Nothing was stopping Raz from getting out. I think we were watching 2 different movies Probably the 100 foot fall was a deal-breaker on the jump to safety plan, or maybe it was the fact that the writers fancy Batman as a unhinged psychopath ready to kill anyone who gets in the way of his idea of "justice". If this statement was true he would'nt have left Ras to begin with. -Zyck
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Nothing was stopping Raz from getting out. I think we were watching 2 different movies Probably the 100 foot fall was a deal-breaker on the jump to safety plan. So the guy trains an army of ninja's in various martial art techniques, concealment, and movement and he's incompetent of getting out of a tight spot eh? And how many movies have we seen where we think the person is dead and yet they spring up again? It is more about intent. This imagining of Batman is basically the Grim Reaper of crime, and that is just not how it should be.

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