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Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.25 01:06:00 - [61] k whatever. Batman totally had him just before he flew off the train, all it would of taken was one stab and that'd be it but he didn't do it, all he said was I can't kill you, but I don't have to save you.
Daziel Iaar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:53:00 - [62] Batman has a sense of morality though, he can't kill anyone but the furthest he can actully go is by stopping the crime and not rescuing the villain but he certainly wouldn't kill the villain with intent. Its the reason why he couldn't let the joker die and why he felt bad that dent died. The new batman films are not black and white they are shades of grey. I agree there is a small problem with him letting liam neason die and not letting the joker die which imo was definately the worse and the bigger monster of the two. But i feel that the second film was meant to be alot more grittier and nothing like the spiderman films which strive to be as dark as the dark knight but never go that extra mile. "His Will Be Done"
Sparticius	Posted - 2008.07.25 05:18:00 - [63] it was epic. more epic than batman begins. and that was pretty epic.
Christopher Scott Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:34:00 - [64] I did find one inconsistency in the movie. * SPOILERS* * SPOILERS* * SPOILERS* In the end, Gordon says Harvey killed two cops. This isn't true. He only killed one, he let Ramirez(the chick) live, because she got lucky on the coin toss. I also noticed an inconsistency on how the hospital blew up, room by room, as if the Joker hauled barrels and charges into each room, by himself, IMMEDIATELY AFTER everyone was just evacuated(otherwise they would be noticeable by the staff). Also, some of the fight scenes with Batman are a little cheesy. I know Nolan focuses on the meaning of the scene, and the actual meaning rather than the fight choreography. But in Batman Begins, Bale had a 'distinguishable' clean-cut fighting style. In TDK, Batman is merely a "Brawler' and is haphazardly going into the fights. He also simply 'walks up to the badguys' instead of taking a more stealthy and psychological approach, which also contradicts his style in the first film. The main focus in this film is Dent and The Joker, and not Batman, however I felt that focus took away from the Batman character. Not to mention stole screen time away from his fight scenes, which left Batman stuck in sloppy slugfests that ultimately felt rushed and out of character. It's a good thing there's only a few of them, and they bear little importance to the overall movie. And before it gets into a huge debate. TWOFACE IS NEITHER LIVING NOR DEAD. IT IS AN AMBIGUOUS ENDING. NOLAN DID IT ON PURPOSE. SO please don't do endless debates about the ending, because that is the 'official' answer. Also, there was a slight 'hint' of Catwoman possibly in the next movie, when Morgan Freeman made the comment about the suit "It will work fine against cats." * END SPOILERS * * END SPOILERS * * END SPOILERS * That's as far I can go to nitpick the movie. It was an amazing film, and The Joker just BLEW EVERYONE AWAY(quite literally). Best villain performance of all time, even outside the comicbook category. This is a must-see film in IMAX. The IMAX shots are jaw-dropping. In my honest opinion, the best two candidates I've seen picked for the third batman movie, are The Riddler and Raz's daughter. The Riddler, of course, would be completely reinvented. His name would be Edward Nigma, period, without the nickname. And he would be a vigilante detective, sent to find the Batman and bring him to justice(due to the TDK ending). He would dress like a detective, and not in a ridiculous ??? costume. He wouldn't have stupid orange hair, and leave a trail of clues everywhere. He would have one motive, find the batman, and maybe an evil twist at the end. Raz's daughter would help fill the aching heart for Batman(because of Rachel in TDK), and would also help the third movie come full-circle with the first one. I don't think Raz himself will come to life, but if anyone can pull it off without things getting dumb and cheesy, it's Nolan at the helm as director. ANyway, that's my 0.02. Enjoy. ------------------------------------ I support the following changes: Make warp acceleration faster!
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.26 05:54:00 - [65] First off, you can't kill the Demon's Head. He doesn't know how to stay dead. SPOILER Second, as above, there's no proof that Two Face is dead. Not discounting the whole "it's tough to kill a comic book character" bit, but nothing was said that stated he was dead. They had a memorial for Harvey, but that could simply be because he can no longer be the DA because he was too traumatized by his injuries, yada yada (and that he's secretly locked up in Arkham). Nitpicky third, there were THREE villains in Batman Begins. Mr. Zsasz makes a brief appearance in a courtroom hearing near the beginning in a scene with the Scarecrow and Rachel. As for the third film, I'm kind of hoping Harvey doesn't feature prominently in it. It's DAMN hard to look at him. That's just nasty. I'd also like to see a different villain than the one's already portrayed. Batman's got such a huge rogue's gallery that it's about time that some of the others are featured. So any who appeared in the old TV series should be right out. There should be a lot of them in the next one too. They've done a good job of not focusing on one, but having several involved would be totally awesome. And the man to unite them all is Bane (a not to nit-pickers, as far as I'm concerned that wasn't Bane in Batman and Robin, hell, he was a PLANT for Zeus' sake). And, yes, the Animated Series is the best Batman ever done. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.26 10:46:00 - [66] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 26/07/2008 10:54:04 Stupid movie... not a surprise though, I wasn't expecting anythig more from a batman movie. Because happiness and truth are 2 relative things, society don't expect you to think, they want to keep you happy so you can work harder. Motherships
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.26 17:46:00 - [67] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 26/07/2008 11:34:23 Stupid movie... not a surprise though, I wasn't expecting anything more from a Batman movie. Because happiness and truth are 2 relative things, society doesn't expect you to think, they want to keep you happy so you can work harder. There is the so called self sufficiency in appraising the world (you are upgrading whatever baggage you inherited since birth though), you will never see more that you can see(there are also phsyical limtations that are inherent to existence but no one notices or complains about) and because of that even if you're less or more intelligent and as a result you have different goals - the chance of being happy (thus reaching your goals) are pretty much the same for each and everyone of us. Why is it that no one complains about not being able to fly? Why is it that an idiot is not preoccupied with the Unification of Physics but all that he wants is to buy a new toy? Mankind cannot surpass its genetic determination and limitations, not in one lifetime anyway. Enjoyed the movie? Think again! If you hadn't mentioned Batman in the first line, I would have said you posted in the wrong thread. Even so, I have no idea what this has to do with the movie. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
knifee Caldari Euphoria Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.07.26 17:49:00 - [68] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 26/07/2008 11:34:23 Stupid movie... not a surprise though, I wasn't expecting anything more from a Batman movie. Because happiness and truth are 2 relative things, society doesn't expect you to think, they want to keep you happy so you can work harder. There is the so called self sufficiency in appraising the world (you are upgrading whatever baggage you inherited since birth though), you will never see more that you can see(there are also phsyical limtations that are inherent to existence but no one notices or complains about) and because of that even if you're less or more intelligent and as a result you have different goals - the chance of being happy (thus reaching your goals) are pretty much the same for each and everyone of us. Why is it that no one complains about not being able to fly? Why is it that an idiot is not preoccupied with the Unification of Physics but all that he wants is to buy a new toy? Mankind cannot surpass its genetic determination and limitations, not in one lifetime anyway. Enjoyed the movie? Think again! erm. ok good for you. Run along now. I got to see it at an IMAX yesterday and it was super [D]. I really liked the way they made use to the full screen. eve-dev - making a good thing better
kryptteacher	Posted - 2008.07.26 19:11:00 - [69] Edited by: kryptteacher on 26/07/2008 19:11:37 Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 26/07/2008 11:34:23 Stupid movie... not a surprise though, I wasn't expecting anything more from a Batman movie. Because happiness and truth are 2 relative things, society doesn't expect you to think, they want to keep you happy so you can work harder. There is the so called self sufficiency in appraising the world (you are upgrading whatever baggage you inherited since birth though), you will never see more that you can see(there are also phsyical limtations that are inherent to existence but no one notices or complains about) and because of that even if you're less or more intelligent and as a result you have different goals - the chance of being happy (thus reaching your goals) are pretty much the same for each and everyone of us. Why is it that no one complains about not being able to fly? Why is it that an idiot is not preoccupied with the Unification of Physics but all that he wants is to buy a new toy? Mankind cannot surpass its genetic determination and limitations, not in one lifetime anyway. Enjoyed the movie? Think again! perhaps i need to google harder because im not seeing how that giberish relates to a person's opinion of a movie.
fairimear Gallente S.A.S Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.07.26 21:51:00 - [70] I would tend to agree about how batman fights in this film. Its defiantly more brawler ish. However you also have to take into account the context of the fights in this movie. In BB he often had fights in closed areas. Dark areas ect ect. In this movie there are a number of factors added. a good few of the fights take place in both well lit and well populated areas. Also the introduction of dogs was a major point in the film as they allowed his targets warning of a presence. The 2 examples of fights that did mo link back to bb both happened with aerial insertion into buildings. They had a lot of traits of a stealth tactical batman. But both also happened when he was under time constraints. meaning he had to get the job done fast. Makeing your npc hunters SS.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.26 23:46:00 - [71] Originally by: Daziel Iaar I agree there is a small problem with him letting liam neason die and not letting the joker die which imo was definately the worse and the bigger monster of the two. But i feel that the second film was meant to be alot more grittier and nothing like the spiderman films which strive to be as dark as the dark knight but never go that extra mile. not sure you can decide which is more of a monster. the joker was sick, but raz thought it ok to systematically destroy an entire city or society, damn the ppl in it, all for the sake of forward momentum. thats pretty messed up too. there is also the element that the joker's main goal was to break someone. batman knew that and couldn't live with himself knowing the joker wins if he dies. raz was a different story. he was his mentor and very skilled. batman didn't kill him, raz put himself in that situation (on the train) ------------------------------ of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.27 02:09:00 - [72] Also, how did the Chinese government not get an ID on the plane that Batman used and intercept it mid-pacific? I can bet you that they would have been scrambling fighter jets as soon as an unidentified plane was spotted flying lower over an urban area like that. And I bet you that a MIG (or whatever they use) can beat a prop driven cargo plane. The movie was riddled with inconsistencies, sloppy characterization, and bastardizations of the Batman legacy. It was enjoyable only in that it is cool to see Batman do stuff in general, but it could have been so much more and is ultimately on the same level as the Val Kilmer and George Clooney episodes. I mean, at least those guys tried a little bit to stick to canon. (I actually thoroughly enjoyed Clooney's Batman, although the Robin sucked pretty bad)
Kia Richards	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:34:00 - [73] Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Also, how did the Chinese government not get an ID on the plane that Batman used and intercept it mid-pacific? I can bet you that they would have been scrambling fighter jets as soon as an unidentified plane was spotted flying lower over an urban area like that. And I bet you that a MIG (or whatever they use) can beat a prop driven cargo plane. The movie was riddled with inconsistencies, sloppy characterization, and bastardizations of the Batman legacy. It was enjoyable only in that it is cool to see Batman do stuff in general, but it could have been so much more and is ultimately on the same level as the Val Kilmer and George Clooney episodes. I mean, at least those guys tried a little bit to stick to canon. (I actually thoroughly enjoyed Clooney's Batman, although the Robin sucked pretty bad) You seem to be trying really hard to not like this movie and finding all the inconsistincies rather than noting the things about it that made it great.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:17:00 - [74] Originally by: Kia Richards Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Also, how did the Chinese government not get an ID on the plane that Batman used and intercept it mid-pacific? I can bet you that they would have been scrambling fighter jets as soon as an unidentified plane was spotted flying lower over an urban area like that. And I bet you that a MIG (or whatever they use) can beat a prop driven cargo plane. The movie was riddled with inconsistencies, sloppy characterization, and bastardizations of the Batman legacy. It was enjoyable only in that it is cool to see Batman do stuff in general, but it could have been so much more and is ultimately on the same level as the Val Kilmer and George Clooney episodes. I mean, at least those guys tried a little bit to stick to canon. (I actually thoroughly enjoyed Clooney's Batman, although the Robin sucked pretty bad) You seem to be trying really hard to not like this movie and finding all the inconsistincies rather than noting the things about it that made it great. Actually what he pointed out was just one of the many things that make this movie a stupid one. But dream on! Motherships
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.27 06:03:00 - [75] Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Kia Richards Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Also, how did the Chinese government not get an ID on the plane that Batman used and intercept it mid-pacific? I can bet you that they would have been scrambling fighter jets as soon as an unidentified plane was spotted flying lower over an urban area like that. And I bet you that a MIG (or whatever they use) can beat a prop driven cargo plane. The movie was riddled with inconsistencies, sloppy characterization, and bastardizations of the Batman legacy. It was enjoyable only in that it is cool to see Batman do stuff in general, but it could have been so much more and is ultimately on the same level as the Val Kilmer and George Clooney episodes. I mean, at least those guys tried a little bit to stick to canon. (I actually thoroughly enjoyed Clooney's Batman, although the Robin sucked pretty bad) You seem to be trying really hard to not like this movie and finding all the inconsistincies rather than noting the things about it that made it great. Actually what he pointed out was just one of the many things that make this movie a stupid one. But dream on! Heres the deal, its a movie, about a man that dresses up as a bat and isnt thrown into an asilum. Ofcourse there are going to be inconsistancies, ill take the advice of a fellow poster on this one.."When watching movies, especially action ones, TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF". I loved the movie, had explosions and joker, tbh thats an awesome combination.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.27 08:41:00 - [76] Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Kia Richards Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Also, how did the Chinese government not get an ID on the plane that Batman used and intercept it mid-pacific? I can bet you that they would have been scrambling fighter jets as soon as an unidentified plane was spotted flying lower over an urban area like that. And I bet you that a MIG (or whatever they use) can beat a prop driven cargo plane. The movie was riddled with inconsistencies, sloppy characterization, and bastardizations of the Batman legacy. It was enjoyable only in that it is cool to see Batman do stuff in general, but it could have been so much more and is ultimately on the same level as the Val Kilmer and George Clooney episodes. I mean, at least those guys tried a little bit to stick to canon. (I actually thoroughly enjoyed Clooney's Batman, although the Robin sucked pretty bad) You seem to be trying really hard to not like this movie and finding all the inconsistincies rather than noting the things about it that made it great. Actually what he pointed out was just one of the many things that make this movie a stupid one. But dream on! yeah, because real people don't actually fly into Chinese airspace clandestinely? This is probably one of the most realistic parts of the film, not counting what happens between the insertion and extraction. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Christopher Scott Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.27 11:01:00 - [77] Originally by: Robert Rosenberg Also, how did the Chinese government not get an ID on the plane that Batman used and intercept it mid-pacific? I can bet you that they would have been scrambling fighter jets as soon as an unidentified plane was spotted flying lower over an urban area like that. And I bet you that a MIG (or whatever they use) can beat a prop driven cargo plane. The movie was riddled with inconsistencies, sloppy characterization, and bastardizations of the Batman legacy. It was enjoyable only in that it is cool to see Batman do stuff in general, but it could have been so much more and is ultimately on the same level as the Val Kilmer and George Clooney episodes. I mean, at least those guys tried a little bit to stick to canon. (I actually thoroughly enjoyed Clooney's Batman, although the Robin sucked pretty bad) In case you hadn't noticed, China is one of the largest free trade countries in the world. OFC there's cargo planes flying in and outside of Chinese airspace all over the place. Besides, with Bruce Wayne's connections, he could have gotten security clearance for that airspace quite easily, especially considering that Wayne Enterprises is a major trader with China. ------------------------------------ I support the following changes: Make warp acceleration faster!
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.27 17:02:00 - [78] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 26/07/2008 11:34:23 Stupid movie... not a surprise though, I wasn't expecting anything more from a Batman movie. Because happiness and truth are 2 relative things, society doesn't expect you to think, they want to keep you happy so you can work harder. There is the so called self sufficiency in appraising the world (you are upgrading whatever baggage you inherited since birth though), you will never see more that you can see(there are also phsyical limtations that are inherent to existence but no one notices or complains about) and because of that even if you're less or more intelligent and as a result you have different goals - the chance of being happy (thus reaching your goals) are pretty much the same for each and everyone of us. Why is it that no one complains about not being able to fly? Why is it that an idiot is not preoccupied with the Unification of Physics but all that he wants is to buy a new toy? Mankind cannot surpass its genetic determination and limitations, not in one lifetime anyway. Enjoyed the movie? Think again!
Lord Wamphyri Amarr Starside Lost	Posted - 2008.07.27 17:46:00 - [79] Well TBH I got bored of this movie about an hour in, and walked out. I'm not denying that there were some stunning visuals, and the general opinion of this movie is good, so I will give it another try when it comes out on DVD as I've been told that it got better as it progressed. Ah well... My EVE Tattoo! My Second EVE Tattoo!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.27 23:56:00 - [80] Just saw this tonight, great film, was impressed with the length, and that it didn't follow the "introduction, some bad things, major climax" structure of most comic book adaptations. I thought it was going to end several times, but Joker always had another card up his sleeve. See what I did there - DesuSigs
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.28 07:14:00 - [81] It was an awesome kik ass movie I saw it Saturday night and was totally amazed at how Heath Ledger played the joker classic
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 05:58:00 - [82] And let's not forget about Clayface. He'd be pretty awesome as a minor villain in the next movie. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Atari Sakura Minmatar INTERNET HARBLRAGE	Posted - 2008.07.31 14:56:00 - [83] Originally by: Daziel Iaar Batman has a sense of morality though, he can't kill anyone but the furthest he can actully go is by stopping the crime and not rescuing the villain but he certainly wouldn't kill the villain with intent. Its the reason why he couldn't let the joker die and why he felt bad that dent died. The new batman films are not black and white they are shades of grey. I agree there is a small problem with him letting liam neason die and not letting the joker die which imo was definately the worse and the bigger monster of the two. But i feel that the second film was meant to be alot more grittier and nothing like the spiderman films which strive to be as dark as the dark knight but never go that extra mile. The Joker can't die, not to say that he is immortal, but in the comics he always manages to weasel out of situations, he knows Batman won't kill him, that's why he puts himself in a position to be killed by the Batman. Also to anyone saying the previous Batman movies where better... Did you see the last "old" Batman movie. The with Arnold as MR. FREEZE?
Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.07.31 14:59:00 - [84] I read an article I think on rottentomatoes or IMDB that the next villain will most likely be the Riddler. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:00:00 - [85] I loved the film, not a single bit of campiness, and I still think the first trailer for the film was the best (great lines from Alfred) _______________________________________
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:03:00 - [86] Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 31/07/2008 16:03:10 Originally by: Atari Sakura Also to anyone saying the previous Batman movies where better... Did you see the last "old" Batman movie. The with Arnold as MR. FREEZE? Oh the one liners in that movie......the horror.....the horror...... Looks like I may be catching the dark knight on saturday when my friend comes to town but I gotta update him with batman begins so he knows what's going on.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:13:00 - [87] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 31/07/2008 16:14:33 I saw the movie last night. It was OK. I dont think it was worth #1 on imdb.com at all, but it was a good hero movie. The joker owned the movie completely. Christian Bale was very good in Batman Begins. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Raging Negotiator	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:13:00 - [88] My major problem with the Batman series is the premise that the only person to elevate above corruption, and evil is a super rich guy.

CCP Eris Discordia	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:14:00 - [89] What¦s the pencil scene, please tell me it doesn¦t go into his eye. I can¦t stand eye close ups and icky stuff happening to eyes. Pink Dread has been hijacked

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:16:00 - [90] Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia I can¦t stand eye close ups and icky stuff happening to eyes. You have no idea... ever heard of two-face? Dont watch this movie if you cant stand that sort of stuff, you will probably get sick. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?

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