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Berendas
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:10:00 -
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I was doing lvl 4's in Gulfonodi (Metropoilis region) and before turning in my mission I bookmarked a wreck in each mission pocket to salvage. All was going well until pocket number four when I noticed another player in a Probe in my mission space. At first I thought it was a bugged overview, but alas, it was not as my wrecks were quickly turning into cargo containers. Most surprising to me however, was that he was not aggressed for doing this.
I was dumbfounded as to CCP's logic on this issue. If people can be shot for stealing loot from 'owned' wrecks, why can't they be shot for salvaging them, which is potentially more valuable than the loot? I don't mind that its possible for people to do this, but at least let me shoot the bastard that tries.
Thoughts? Comments?
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:12:00 -
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see all the other threads since salvage was introduced,
Salvage is junk and anyone can salvage it is CCP answer
WAD
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Aaron Kyoto
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:12:00 -
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Done before. It's been established under the marine time act, salvage is not claimed until it's boarded (ie, in the process of being salvage).
So, with that same idea implimented here, you can't steal what doesn't belong to anyone.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:13:00 -
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I know. It's completely unintuitive.
CONCORD should give you a ticket for creating so much space litter. 
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 18/07/2008 14:15:11
Yes.
Lots.
also, In Before Xaen and I go over the same tired arguments for the n:th time… 
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Berendas
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:14:00 -
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Thanks for the quick replies, didn't know there was so much discussion about the issue before.
(Came back from a year break )
I suppose the 'junk doesn't belong to anyone' sorta makes sense I'll just get used to it. Anyway I'm only missioning for my GTC so soon I'll be back in the yarr and it won't matter
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Aaron Kyoto
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:15:00 -
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Yes! Thats the entire sector cleared of mindless pirates that want to blow the shit out of me! Oh! and on-top of that i've mail.
"Dear Capsule, for every ship wreck found in that area of space with your flag on, we'll be charging your account to the sum of 9.9million each for litter and 'LAG' charges. Thank you."
You'd end up with bounties for low-level rats at 14k isk each and charges at 1.4mil isk each
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:16:00 -
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There is no such thing as stealing salvage. It's not yours till you salvage it. That's why it's called salvage.
You don't own ore until you mine the asteroids. You don't own salvage until you salvage the wreck. Period.
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Corduroy Rab
Xenocidal Uprising
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:34:00 -
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I think I speak for most when I say that we were not aware of this issue, thank you for bringing it to our attention.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 18/07/2008 14:15:11
Yes.
Lots.
also, In Before Xaen and I go over the same tired arguments for the n:th timeā
I've got enough salvage threads to post in.
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diabolic clone
Amarr
Anomaly Collective
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Posted - 2008.07.18 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Berendas
Thoughts? Comments?
Wrecks are not "owned", unless you mean that you owned the ship, and yea he's dead good job, owned indeed sir.
The actual wreckage is just space scrap you are as much as a scavenger as the next guy that is looking for salvage.
If you want to attack someone that is clearing the debris from around your loot you should mission or rat in an area where you can attack players like low or null security space.
I don't think that people in npc corporations however should be able to salvage other players wrecks in high sec since they can't be held accountable to recieve a war declaration if they are scavenging from someone that will get ticked off enough to issue a war dec.
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Vasili vonHolst
Minmatar
Gargamel's Lair
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Posted - 2008.07.18 15:55:00 -
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I like to do the steal.
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.07.18 16:11:00 -
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Yay another thread on the topic.
Thats three in two days !
Keep up the good work.
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Gatu
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.18 16:32:00 -
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posting in a salvage thread
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ShadowMaiden
Amarr
Metal Machine
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Posted - 2008.07.18 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Berendas
as my wrecks were quickly turning into cargo containers.
Not your wrecks, they belong to CCP (as does all your ""stuff", hint, read your EULA) which they allow you (or anyone else) the privilege of salvaging, or in the case of "stuff", the privilege of using for a monthly fee.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.07.18 18:06:00 -
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Sigh, not another one, glad I have this all ready:
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.18 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Marlenus
Sigh, not another one, glad I have this all ready:
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
And I have a ready counter!
Reposting the same garbage isn't contributing anything to the argument.
Also, you should realize that GMs have not power to do anything other than follow the rules they're given. So it must be taken as a given that they cannot do anything but parrot the policies they've been told to. In short, they're not capable of contributing anything useful to the discussion either, because their powers to not extend to game design or potential changes.
If you're not quoting something said recently uttered by a current game designer, you're contributing nothing to the discussion either.
Sorry, couldn't help myself...
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theteck
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Posted - 2008.07.18 18:28:00 -
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fire the wreck before the guy start salvage it
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.07.18 20:23:00 -
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Xaen, calling your flat contradictions a "counter" doesn't make them so. And calling arguments and evidence you disagree with "garbage" doesn't make them that, either.
Your role in these threads seems to have been reduced to that of a metaphorical two year old who sticks his fingers in his ears and shouts "Is not! You're wrong! I'm not listening!" over and over again until everybody goes away.
It didn't work when you were two and it's still not working.
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Joe Starbreaker
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.07.18 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Starbreaker on 18/07/2008 21:48:03
In before Tchell again! That's twice in 24 hours
BTW was the pilot's name Dotard?
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CetusOfAsuran
well of Urd
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Posted - 2008.07.18 21:59:00 -
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ffs, can we have the rules about salvage stickyed at the top 15times a day with this BS is getting annoying.
especially without the obvious troll threads.
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Something Random
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.07.18 22:10:00 -
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Can you get it out of your mind that somehow you own this this heap of junk..... please.
Salvage is at it should be, anyones... first come first served.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.07.18 23:38:00 -
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It's not possible for salvage to be stolen as it does not belong to anyone.
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Zinras
Caldari
Order of draugr
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Posted - 2008.07.18 23:49:00 -
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One of the definitions of "salvage" is "the act of saving anything from fire, danger, etc." and since space and your salvager could be potentially dangerous to the wreck, it's perfectly fine for anyone else to go save it from certain doom.
Also, you can do it because CCP says so.
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
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Smantha Dering
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.19 01:31:00 -
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Your rage at the very idea that I can come into your mission and take what you think you own makes me so very very happy. ISK value < tear and rage value! 
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Buff Plankchest
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Posted - 2008.07.19 01:49:00 -
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I think salvaging should flag you, gives us another method of ganking mission runners 
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Xynrokh
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Posted - 2008.07.19 01:49:00 -
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Tears are worth more than isk.
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.19 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
see all the other threads since salvage was introduced,
Salvage is junk and anyone can salvage it is CCP answer
WAD
this.
Originally by: CCP Atropos
I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Napro
Caldari
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.19 06:33:00 -
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Just a ploy at squeezing out more niches and hence spreading the labor pool around.
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.19 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Berendas
I was doing lvl 4's in Gulfonodi (Metropoilis region) and before turning in my mission I bookmarked a wreck in each mission pocket to salvage. All was going well until pocket number four when I noticed another player in a Probe in my mission space. At first I thought it was a bugged overview, but alas, it was not as my wrecks were quickly turning into cargo containers. Most surprising to me however, was that he was not aggressed for doing this.
I was dumbfounded as to CCP's logic on this issue. If people can be shot for stealing loot from 'owned' wrecks, why can't they be shot for salvaging them, which is potentially more valuable than the loot? I don't mind that its possible for people to do this, but at least let me shoot the bastard that tries.
Thoughts? Comments?
only the loot inside the cans is yours
salvage is NOT YOURS, anyone can salvage
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