Originally by: Tippia

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Edited by: Tippia on 18/07/2008 14:15:11
Yes.
Lots.

also, In Before Xaen and I go over the same tired arguments for the n:th timeà

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Originally by: Berendas

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Thoughts? Comments?

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Originally by: Berendas

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as my wrecks were quickly turning into cargo containers.

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Originally by: GM Faolchu

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Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.

Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

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Originally by: GM Ytterbium

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Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

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Originally by: Marlenus

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Sigh, not another one, glad I have this all ready:

Per GM Faolchu :

Originally by: GM Faolchu

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Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.

Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

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Per Senior GM Ytterbium :

Originally by: GM Ytterbium

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Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

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(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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*moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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That si a fact comming out from my bran.

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Originally by: RaTTuS

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see all the other threads since salvage was introduced,

Salvage is junk and anyone can salvage it is CCP answer
WAD

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.

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Originally by: Berendas

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I was doing lvl 4's in Gulfonodi (Metropoilis region) and before turning in my mission I bookmarked a wreck in each mission pocket to salvage. All was going well until pocket number four when I noticed another player in a Probe in my mission space. At first I thought it was a bugged overview, but alas, it was not as my wrecks were quickly turning into cargo containers. Most surprising to me however, was that he was not aggressed for doing this.

I was dumbfounded as to CCP's logic on this issue. If people can be shot for stealing loot from 'owned' wrecks, why can't they be shot for salvaging them, which is potentially more valuable than the loot? I don't mind that its possible for people to do this, but at least let me shoot the bastard that tries.

Thoughts? Comments?

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Originally by: Berendas

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Most surprising to me however, was that he was not aggressed for doing this.

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Originally by: Berendas

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Thanks for the quick replies, didn't know there was so much discussion about the issue before.

(Came back from a year break )

I suppose the 'junk doesn't belong to anyone' sorta makes sense I'll just get used to it. Anyway I'm only missioning for my GTC so soon I'll be back in the yarr and it won't matter

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Originally by: Calacheng

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The contradiction in the wreck ownership that CCP caused by not making salvage stealing aggro flagged was a mistake. Only 1 out of 8 wreck ownership facts state that it does not belong to anyone. 7 out of 8 facts state that it does belong to the player/corp that created the wreck. This mistake that CCP did has caused all these salvage threads.

Until a proper solution is found, there will be no end to these salvage stealing threads.

Here are the famous facts of the wreck ownership.

1. The name of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
2. The picture of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
3. The sec status of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
4. The corp tag of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
5. Only the person, their gang mates, or their player corpmates that killed the NPC can destroy the wreck without concord intervention.
6. If someone else tries to tractor the wreck they get a message that states that you cannot tractor it be cause "the wreck does not belong to you"
7. Only the person, their gang mates, or their player corpmates that killed the NPC can tractor the wreck, which means they own it

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Originally by: Calacheng

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The contradiction in the wreck ownership that CCP caused by not making salvage stealing aggro flagged was a mistake. Only 1 out of 8 wreck ownership facts state that it does not belong to anyone. 7 out of 8 facts state that it does belong to the player/corp that created the wreck. This mistake that CCP did has caused all these salvage threads.

Until a proper solution is found, there will be no end to these salvage stealing threads.

Here are the famous facts of the wreck ownership.

1. The name of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
2. The picture of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
3. The sec status of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
4. The corp tag of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
5. Only the person, their gang mates, or their player corpmates that killed the NPC can destroy the wreck without concord intervention.
6. If someone else tries to tractor the wreck they get a message that states that you cannot tractor it be cause "the wreck does not belong to you"
7. Only the person, their gang mates, or their player corpmates that killed the NPC can tractor the wreck, which means they own it

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Originally by: Malik Mantille

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Originally by: Calacheng

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The contradiction in the wreck ownership that CCP caused by not making salvage stealing aggro flagged was a mistake. Only 1 out of 8 wreck ownership facts state that it does not belong to anyone. 7 out of 8 facts state that it does belong to the player/corp that created the wreck. This mistake that CCP did has caused all these salvage threads.

Until a proper solution is found, there will be no end to these salvage stealing threads.

Here are the famous facts of the wreck ownership.

1. The name of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
2. The picture of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
3. The sec status of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
4. The corp tag of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the wreck.
5. Only the person, their gang mates, or their player corpmates that killed the NPC can destroy the wreck without concord intervention.
6. If someone else tries to tractor the wreck they get a message that states that you cannot tractor it be cause "the wreck does not belong to you"
7. Only the person, their gang mates, or their player corpmates that killed the NPC can tractor the wreck, which means they own it

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No they own the "container" thus the items inside (as items cannot be flagged owned. If you salvage and items are inside the container (wreck) then cans appear... these cans retain the ownership applied to the destroyer of the ship, thus this shows proof that the contents within a container are owned via ownership of the container and destruction of said container is a crime, salvage does not destroy the container, only changes it from a wreck to a cargo can.

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Originally by: Calacheng

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1. The name of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the Cargo Container Within the Wreck.
2. The picture of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the Cargo Container Within the Wreck.
3. The sec status of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the Cargo Container Within the Wreck.
4. The corp tag of the player that killed the NPC is the one on the Cargo Container Within the Wreck.
5. Only the person, their gang mates, or their player corpmates that killed the NPC can destroy the Cargo Container Within the Wreck without concord intervention.
6. If someone else tries to tractor the Cargo Container Within the Wreck they get a message that states that you cannot tractor it be cause "the wreck does not belong to you"
7. Only the person, their gang mates, or their player corpmates that killed the NPC can tractor the Cargo Container Within the Wreck, which means they own it

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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There is no such thing as stealing salvage. It's not yours till you salvage it. That's why it's called salvage.

You don't own ore until you mine the asteroids. You don't own salvage until you salvage the wreck. Period.

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