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Cherab Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.20 10:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Cherab on 20/07/2008 10:21:40 When i fly around in Eve im generally happy but there are two blemishes on this oh so bright sun imo these are: 1. Being in low sec isnt lucrative enough. - Fix: Make rat bounties larger in low sec to increase numbers of ratters as well as giving a decent reward/risk ratio since now its just a risk. I dont know anything about mining but i have a hunch that the higher prices in Trit has made it more lucrative to mine in high-sec than in low sec, this i dont have a fix for, but get ppl to mine low sec too so that mining corp actually has a reason to hire merc corps for protection (and so that Chribba can have the veldspar in high-sec for himself). 2. The current bounty mechanics doesnt work and hasnt worked for years. - Fix: Replace with kill contracts you can give out like normal contracts its just that they activate the transfer of the reward upon that person killing who the contract was for. -Discussion: Im not certain if this contract should come with the kill rights as well and if destroying the persons ship is enough or if it has to be pod as well. edit:damn title --------------------------------------------------- Regarding nerfs & boosts: Nerf rocks, paper is fine /Scissors
Cherab Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.20 10:24:00 - [2] Might as well add bugs in the forum i cant seem to be able to change to my main. wtf --------------------------------------------------- Regarding nerfs & boosts: Nerf rocks, paper is fine /Scissors
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.07.20 10:30:00 - [3] 1. For low sec, shoot the white boxes on your overview, not the red crosses. Bring friends, hilarity ensures. On a serious note, the much smaller population in low sec is worth going there alone. The EVE galaxy is how big and I want to cram myself in the regions where we all started...why? 2. I'm not too sure how you could fix it. I'm an outlaw. Putting out a specific kill contract for an outlaw sounds silly. What are you going to do, shoot me without CONCORD protection...? Oh wait, you already CAN do that. __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
ZeroniX	Posted - 2008.07.20 10:34:00 - [4] Yea nobody goes into low sec (0.1 to 0.4 Systems), u hardly find a good bounty in there Risk>ISK State that on your post tittle. "Boost low sec attraction, it is just a newbie killing field!!" Its more important than bounty mechanics atm
Cherab Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.20 10:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Artemis Rose 1. For low sec, shoot the white boxes on your overview, not the red crosses. Bring friends, hilarity ensures. On a serious note, the much smaller population in low sec is worth going there alone. The EVE galaxy is how big and I want to cram myself in the regions where we all started...why? Well yes i love shooting the white boxes instead of the red crosses too but they have become all so rare now thx to ppl staying clear of low sec since there really isnt any reason to go there. Originally by: Artemis Rose 2. I'm not too sure how you could fix it. I'm an outlaw. Putting out a specific kill contract for an outlaw sounds silly. What are you going to do, shoot me without CONCORD protection...? Oh wait, you already CAN do that. Well with a specific kill contract you could give the contract to a specific corp as well maybe a corp specializing (sp?) in taking out outlaws right now if they do that you have no way to know if they really took you out. (Forged kill mails etc.) And the contracts whould be more of a hassle for beginner pirates who still want to travel around in high sec. I.e. it whould work more like a bounty should work now its equal to actually giving money to the pirate or atleast status. --------------------------------------------------- Regarding nerfs & boosts: Nerf rocks, paper is fine /Scissors
Cherab Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.20 10:39:00 - [6] Originally by: ZeroniX "Boost low sec attraction, it is just a newbie killing field!!" QFT TBH --------------------------------------------------- Regarding nerfs & boosts: Nerf rocks, paper is fine /Scissors
Kano Sekor Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.20 10:43:00 - [7] Originally by: Cherab Edited by: Cherab on 20/07/2008 10:39:36 Edited by: Cherab on 20/07/2008 10:21:40 When i fly around in Eve im generally happy but there are two blemishes on this oh so bright sun imo these are: 1. Being in low sec isnt lucrative enough. - Fix: Make rat bounties larger in low sec to increase numbers of ratters as well as giving a decent reward/risk ratio since now its just a risk. I dont know anything about mining but i have a hunch that the higher prices in Trit has made it more lucrative to mine in high-sec than in low sec, this i dont have a fix for, but get ppl to mine low sec too so that mining corp actually has a reason to hire merc corps for protection (and so that Chribba can have the veldspar in high-sec for himself). 2. The current bounty mechanics doesnt work and hasnt worked for years. - Fix: Replace with kill contracts you can give out like normal contracts its just that they activate the transfer of the reward upon that person killing who the contract was for. -Discussion: Im not certain if this contract should come with the kill rights as well and if destroying the persons ship is enough or if it has to be pod as well. edit:damn title Posting for credibility, Cherab is my alt. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Desu Sigs
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.20 10:47:00 - [8] 1. Though a boost might be in order you have to make sure not to boost it to much and it becomes better than 0.0. 2. Such contracts might be a good way to handle it.
Kano Sekor Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.20 10:50:00 - [9] Originally by: El'Niaga 1. Though a boost might be in order you have to make sure not to boost it to much and it becomes better than 0.0. The strength in 0.0 imo is that you can gank anyone no consequence i.e. sec hit or so. But yeah not better than 0.0 but i want it to be close atleast. Originally by: El'Niaga 2. Such contracts might be a good way to handle it. Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Desu Sigs
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:04:00 - [10] Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 20/07/2008 11:04:28 Nothing wrong in low sec tbh, it's lucrative if you know how. Lived there for months and making a mint. Join a militia if your a scardy cat Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Siberys	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:06:00 - [11] I agree that they need more rewards, but I really don't want more people in lowsec. Making 3-5 mil an hour ratting in a cruiser is lucrative only if you are alone, plus more people means more pirates.
Kano Sekor Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Siberys I agree that they need more rewards, but I really don't want more people in lowsec. Making 3-5 mil an hour ratting in a cruiser is lucrative only if you are alone, plus more people means more pirates. Bolded important part, as i see this its not always a bad thing. If low sec is more lucrative ppl who can handle pirates will eventually come there too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Desu Sigs
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Kano Sekor Originally by: Siberys I agree that they need more rewards, but I really don't want more people in lowsec. Making 3-5 mil an hour ratting in a cruiser is lucrative only if you are alone, plus more people means more pirates. Bolded important part, as i see this its not always a bad thing. If low sec is more lucrative ppl who can handle pirates will eventually come there too. More people is just a proportional figure, the people who can handle pirates are already there. Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Taco Raptorian	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:13:00 - [14] Originally by: Cherab 1. Being in low sec isnt lucrative enough. I must agree. Even though the early noob might enjoy a bit of first time ratting in low sec and he(/she?) might even think the loot and bounty is rewarding it often doesn't last long. Granted some players go down the ladder way too early despite being warned this is not the point. The only thing you can count on is that once you get up in a better ship you will get ganked or trapped and then said noob will log off in pure frustration because he doesn't want to go back to high sec. Mission running is even more tedious when you've been in low sec for a while flying free like a happy bird. Originally by: Cherab 2. The current bounty mechanics doesnt work and hasnt worked for years. To me this has been a joke ever since I started playing and I always smile a little when I see a BS flying around with 10k isk on the pilots head just because of the skull icon. I suppose many pirates enjoy it since they get a little buffer (after a while when it has grown a bit) to cash in later when they want to buy a "bumper sticker" to their brand new HAC or navy BS.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:16:00 - [15] Agreed on the bounty system. Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:24:00 - [16] I dunno - I do exploration and even some missioning in lowsec regularly. I keep my guard up and if someone finds me I'm long gone before they can get a point on me (usually before they even get to me, since I abandon any mission/site that someone else gets a BM to). I'll agree that the belts in lowsec could use some work. Changing the mineral inputs into the system to bring the price of Isogen and Noxcium back up would be a good start. Ratting is just fine for people in frigs / cruisers - keep moving, SS or dock if someone comes in system.
Kano Sekor Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Mankirks Wife I dunno - I do exploration and even some missioning in lowsec regularly. I keep my guard up and if someone finds me I'm long gone before they can get a point on me (usually before they even get to me, since I abandon any mission/site that someone else gets a BM to). I'll agree that the belts in lowsec could use some work. Changing the mineral inputs into the system to bring the price of Isogen and Noxcium back up would be a good start. Ratting is just fine for people in frigs / cruisers - keep moving, SS or dock if someone comes in system. Ratting isnt fine imo to low bounties and to similar to .6 systems. btw "Mankirks Wife" <= wow player spotted! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Desu Sigs
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:47:00 - [18] I agree with op, lowsec really needs a bit of a buff to get more people out there right now its only people who want to fight and people who don't have a clue. There should be more reason for people to come because its better than highsec and worth the extra risk. Same the bounty system its broken in terms of collection and contracts of some sort are the way to go. Originally by: Taco Raptorian To me this has been a joke ever since I started playing and I always smile a little when I see a BS flying around with 10k isk on the pilots head just because of the skull icon. I suppose many pirates enjoy it since they get a little buffer (after a while when it has grown a bit) to cash in later when they want to buy a "bumper sticker" to their brand new HAC or navy BS. When I first started going to lowsec that little icon was very useful as it showed regardless of the amount they the person: has at least once been below 0.0 sec status has ****ed someone off thinks its cool to have a bounty and will probably try to shoot me not infallible but useful stuff.
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:49:00 - [19] It would be nice to see something in lowesc that could only be obtained there. I guess we have fw but I turn up at those sites all the time with my alt and never meet anybody, a few nights ago I spent 2 hours roaming lowsec solo and found 1 cruiser, which got away before I was in warp scram range and a noob ship which I killed for the hell of it and took a 2.4 sec hit. Which imo is frankly stupid considering the time taken to build it back up again. Back in 2003 I collected corpses of mission runners (since everybody doing missions in lowsec had to go to the same location it was very easy to camp) and my sec never dropped below -3, it was impressive to get a sec of -9. I would like to see some reason to go to lowsec, increased faction spawns, navy rats in the belts would be cool, anything that would be the reason to go there.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:58:00 - [20] Originally by: vostok It would be nice to see something in lowesc that could only be obtained there. I would like to see some reason to go to lowsec, increased faction spawns, navy rats in the belts would be cool, anything that would be the reason to go there. There are several things unique to low sec... Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.07.20 12:02:00 - [21] I can not see what it is you want exactly, opportunity to gank noobish ratters or make money as pirate hunter? If you want some action I can highly recommend visiting the faction warfare regions. They are practically crawling with trigger happy pvp fitted noobs and vets in everything from T1 frigates to Titans (yes, for some reason they are also jumped in :)) From what I have seen, the pirates that lived in the regions, now overrun by militias have all but vanished. My guess is that they were not actually looking for a fight as they profess to, but rather the easy gank. While the bounty system is long overdue a revision, you have to make sure that whatever replaces it cannot be exploited. Under the current system there is no reason why a pirate should hesitate to have himself podded by a colleague if the bounty is of greater value than his snake/slave implants - that in itself is a flaw.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.07.20 12:04:00 - [22] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida I can not see what it is you want exactly, opportunity to gank noobish ratters or make money as pirate hunter? If you want some action I can highly recommend visiting the faction warfare regions. They are practically crawling with trigger happy pvp fitted noobs and vets in everything from T1 frigates to Titans (yes, for some reason they are also jumped in :)) From what I have seen, the pirates that lived in the regions, now overrun by militias have all but vanished. My guess is that they were not actually looking for a fight as they profess to, but rather the easy gank. While the bounty system is long overdue a revision, you have to make sure that whatever replaces it cannot be exploited. Under the current system there is no reason why a pirate should hesitate to have himself podded by a colleague if the bounty is of greater value than his snake/slave implants - that in itself is a flaw. Agreed the killrights must be the basis of a contract which is outsourced to whomever the victim wishes. Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Taco Raptorian	Posted - 2008.07.20 12:15:00 - [23] Originally by: z0de When I first started going to lowsec that little icon was very useful as it showed regardless of the amount they the person: has at least once been below 0.0 sec status has **ed someone off thinks its cool to have a bounty and will probably try to shoot me not infallible but useful stuff. Yes maybe, except for the ones that put a tiny amount on their friends just for show because they like the pirate idea but stay in high sec all day anyway. Originally by:** vostok It would be nice to see something in lowesc that could only be obtained there. Exactly! Since as of now the only thing obtainable in low sec only is empty systems or noob ratters with t1 fits and no reward of pvp since you only gain a sec hit if you decide to engage. It is not that there should be more easy killable ratters in low sec but more people in normal ships flying around and some t2 maybe for the rich. This so you can have some action while trying to earn isk and not only have to do missions because they are better in every way. Take decisions if you have to engage another ratter/roamer because of competition of the bounty rewards from rats not because you will easily win.

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