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Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1284	Posted - 2012.03.19 16:36:00 - [31] - Quote -1 Counter proposal: Delete all sub capital ships, equipment, skills, BPOs and BPCs. Solve the real hobo blob. Now that would be win sauce.
Plaude Pollard Aliastra Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2012.03.19 19:30:00 - [32] - Quote Ivanda Nothabeer wrote: By CCP's own admission the tracking Nerf is a quick fix because they can't decide on a role for Titans. It's almost like they dont read their own dev blogs. (and learn nothing from their past mistakes) How about giving them some sort of "Flagship" status? Titans aren't meant to be something anyone can just fly. They're meant to be rare, valuable ships, that gives the pilot some kind of status. Strip it of its guns, let it remain able to use all the fancy Titan-only modules and give it superior Fleet Bonuses, while keeping it too expensive to just bring to every battle. This might actually give them the Flag-ship status I always imagined Titans having, instead of the Slightly Bigger Frigate-status they have now. Titans weren't meant to be something everyone could just get. In fact, removing all current Titans, reimbursing the SP and adding a Flagship-class with the same names and models as the current Titans might be the right way to go. Or even better: remove all Titan-Blueprints, but let the current Titans stay. When they're gone, there will be no replacing them, which will lead to them eventually getting some status, when enough are killed by smaller, cooler ships. I'm not saying this is the only way to go, but it's definitely one way.
TheOnePunisher High Flyers RED.OverLord 0	Posted - 2012.03.19 21:01:00 - [33] - Quote PL Crying about titan nerfs, GLORIOUS! Please post more PL, your tears taste as sweet as a rare wine! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM .........................
Yamarash 13th Squadron Cascade Imminent 0	Posted - 2012.03.19 21:36:00 - [34] - Quote Ok so. After the upconing and **** TITANS nerf 1) CANNOT SHOOT SUB-CAPITALS (why sub-capitals will able to shoot titans) 2) ALONE CAN ONLY KILL CARRIERS WITH DOOMSDAY. (and maybe dreads). SO DOOMSDAY DEVICE IS NOW UNUSEFUL 3) TITAN WILL TAKE A LOT OF TIME TARGETTING EVEN CAPITALS (5mm scan resolution) ITS A JOKE 4) TITANS DONT RECEIVE AT LEAST AN EXTRA BONUS LIKE MORE DAMAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. **. ITS A 70-90 BILLION STUFF. WHAT IS THE ADD VALUE TO HAVE A TITAN??? BASICLY CCP IS LEAVING A VESSEL ONLY TO SHOOT POS'es and DO BRIDGES. LOL WE NEED TO EXPEND 90B TO DO BRIDGES CCP. CCP are you really thinking what are you doing ???? i think nope. CSM guys are not doing his jobs for whole eve community. thats is a clear statement. P.D: sry for caps but for god sake this the more ridiculous nerf i ever saw in EVE History. This kind of decisions are killing the game or fastening his inevitable death.
Jean McBean Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.03.19 22:10:00 - [35] - Quote knobber Jobbler wrote: There's 400 Titans give or take a few,. lol... maybe you should not participate in this discussion
HELIC0N ONE GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 181	Posted - 2012.03.19 22:21:00 - [36] - Quote TheOnePunisher wrote: PL Crying about titan nerfs, GLORIOUS! Please post more PL, your tears taste as sweet as a rare wine! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM ......................... Are you coming to Fanfest to beat up goons this year?
Josef Huffenpuff H A V O C 8	Posted - 2012.03.20 04:02:00 - [37] - Quote Plaude Pollard wrote: too expensive to just bring to every battle. Define "too expensive". When someone drops 20 titans on you, that's well over a Trillion ISK. You simply cannot "balance" titans by making them too expensive - That was just one of the fundamentally flawed assumptions made when titans were introduced. But yeah, deleting existing Titans and replacing with something truly rare and impressive again gets a +1 from me. Keeping the existing names and models makes sense.
King Rothgar Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 230	Posted - 2012.03.20 05:26:00 - [38] - Quote +1 to deleting them and trying again. Same should be done with SC's in all honesty. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7
Kemal Ataturk Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.03.20 11:50:00 - [39] - Quote Why not introduce something new. Make Titans Corpvessels, operated by more users, like a Pos. One guy fly it, next guy fires frontguns, next guy rear guns etc. It would advance the game in a new experience of battle. Instead of nerfing it or deleting it transform it to a multiuser plattform.
Arduemont Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable. 14	Posted - 2012.03.20 15:30:00 - [40] - Quote Delete Titans? Way to throw the baby out with the bath water. I cant understand why so many people think that's a good idea. Just fix them ffs. Josef Huffenpuff wrote: Keeping the existing names and models makes sense. By that ^^ I presume you mean... not deleting them. /endminirant
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 358	Posted - 2012.03.20 16:07:00 - [41] - Quote Yes. This would actually be the best way to handle Titans, the people crying about the nerf would be reimbursed adn could respend however they want. The people crying for the nerf get rid of their source of unhappiness. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Sith8 Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities 0	Posted - 2012.03.20 16:21:00 - [42] - Quote Bahahaha .... so because your shiny I-WIN button is being nerfed it should be deleted from the game altogether? Don-¦t be such a douche Manny and go back to playing Eve the hard way like most of us do.
Tiger's Spirit Troll Hunters INC. 59	Posted - 2012.03.20 16:38:00 - [43] - Quote Tiger's Spirit wrote: India99 wrote: Tiger's Spirit wrote: [quote=India99][quote=Tiger's Spirit] Tipical damage control. My language is the main problem, not the PL's RMT supcap transfer from MM. your questionable reading skills might actually be the reason why you think PL has to RMT at all. Have you checked the Technetium prices recently? Because i know, who sold those ships for to PL and Raiden. Maybe it's time to check for the CCP those titans, how they transfered without ISK and without build to new proprietors. Everyone feel the silence of PL crying girls after this post ? :D
paik Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 27	Posted - 2012.03.20 16:53:00 - [44] - Quote Sith8 wrote: Bahahaha .... so because your shiny I-WIN button is being nerfed it should be deleted from the game altogether? Don-¦t be such a douche Manny and go back to playing Eve the hard way like most of us do. Sith8 the Greyscale changes nothing really other than the fact that Titans wont blap roaming gangs. In fleet fights titans will still be blapping happily which makes the change pointless. However what the change does accomplish is it lowers the priority for CCP allowing Titan re-design to fall down into the backlog. Pushing real development further away this is not speculation its how CCP does things. So rather than a pointless nerf that nobody is happy with just delete Titans. CCP when they have time can then reinvent them and introduce them again properly. This solution everyone wins instead of the current status quo where everyone losses and then we wait ~18 months for CCP to get back to the subject. CCP has other things they are working on in Inferno and obviously a re-design of Titans is not on the table . Clearly thats what predicated this bandaid nerf except its a bad bandaid as it doesnt actually achieve the goals of the nerf. I mean you realize were talking about CCP here correct? In regard to the comment you made directed at me. I have fun fighting in Eve in no matter what ship class. My alliance has some new fleet concepts that makes fighting with titans seem boring. SOLVE THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF BANDAIDS
Sith8 Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities 0	Posted - 2012.03.20 18:07:00 - [45] - Quote paik wrote: Sith8 wrote: Bahahaha .... so because your shiny I-WIN button is being nerfed it should be deleted from the game altogether? Don-¦t be such a douche Manny and go back to playing Eve the hard way like most of us do. Sith8 the Greyscale changes nothing really other than the fact that Titans wont blap roaming gangs. In fleet fights titans will still be blapping happily which makes the change pointless. However what the change does accomplish is it lowers the priority for CCP allowing Titan re-design to fall down into the backlog. Pushing real development further away this is not speculation its how CCP does things. So rather than a pointless nerf that nobody is happy with just delete Titans. CCP when they have time can then reinvent them and introduce them again properly. This solution everyone wins instead of the current status quo where everyone losses and then we wait ~18 months for CCP to get back to the subject. CCP has other things they are working on in Inferno and obviously a re-design of Titans is not on the table . Clearly thats what predicated this bandaid nerf except its a bad bandaid as it doesnt actually achieve the goals of the nerf. I mean you realize were talking about CCP here correct? In regard to the comment you made directed at me. I have fun fighting in Eve in no matter what ship class. My alliance has some new fleet concepts that makes fighting with titans seem boring. SOLVE THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF BANDAIDS I and most people I know are p. darn happy with the nerf and do not agree with you that it-¦s pointless, on the contrary. Perhaps that-¦s the complete opposite to Pee L. But I-¦ll give you that no one does crying better than you guys, or at least you are the first to demand that a whole ship class with all class specific modules and skills to be deleted from the game because you can-¦t play with it like you used to. Deal with it Pee L. :smug:
Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 212	Posted - 2012.03.21 14:58:00 - [46] - Quote This is cross-posting from the Ship & Modules forum about the Titan nerf and CCP doesn't like that. Not like PL would bend the rules/mechanics to suit themselves.
Joyelle State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:18:00 - [47] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: I've got a better idea, why don't CCP just make large fleets of titans extremely undesirable, as they should have been all along. That way the self entitled little crybabies that fly them will make a vast mountain of hilarious spergy rant threads which the rest of us can take great pleasure in, then unsub, and the titans will be effectively removed from the game, without the massive influx of minerals caused by ship recycling, or the rampant FOTM-chasing that a skillpoint re-allocation would lead to. Seems like a win-win-win to me. It doesn't make the slightest sense no matter how you look at it because limiting the amount of titans in a fleet or in a system will still result in an ultimatum. It's either you get as much titans into the system first or create multiple fleets. You can also decide to engage with 300 alpha maels...get owned, then proceed to whine on you tube.
Argyle Jones Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners 7	Posted - 2012.03.22 00:09:00 - [48] - Quote paik wrote: mxzf wrote: I see what you did there. Posting in a stealth "give me my ISK and SP back because you're nerfing Titans to no longer be solo-pwn-mobiles" thread. Yeah pretty much as the ship since its inception was based around its tenacity and devastating offensive capability as well as logistical support. Taking away a role that was the driving force for majority of players that sought them out and skilled directly for them is unfair actually highly unfair. Instead do the sensible should have been done years ago and remove them and introduce something better. I'm afraid that's not very likely to happen. CCP has never given anything back when they nerfed, and they shouldn't start now, just because titans are involved. I remember spending billions of ISK on a super sexy nano machariel, training all lvl 5 navigation skills, etc, just so I could be the coolest and fastest nano pilot out there, then cameth the nano-nerf and suddenly my expensive ship, modules and high-grade snake set were worth one tenth of their previous value. It's the cost we pay for humping the bandwagon. So, take your nerf just like everybody else, adapt to the new situation and add a +1 to your bittervet status. /Yargle
wolftkilla OMGWTFBBQTIME I Know Right 0	Posted - 2012.03.22 13:38:00 - [49] - Quote +1
The Hamilton Definitive Exploration and Excavations The Watchmen. 11	Posted - 2012.03.22 17:30:00 - [50] - Quote Here's a thought. If you don't want em. Don't make em. Sort of an alliance peace treaty for all null sec alliances. As an extra bonus CCP would be astounded. If you can't do this then how can you justify deleting them. Just cos people can make mustard gas doesn't mean they all use it.

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