Originally by: Crumplecorn

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The other forums, agree, General Discussion, disagree.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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The other forums, agree, General Discussion, disagree.

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Originally by: Forum Fanatic

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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The other forums, agree, General Discussion, disagree.

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I would link to you all the posts today alone which meet the criteria above, but it would take too long. Just pick almost any thread posted in the last 24 hours and you will find plenty of examples in General Discussion of what I am referring to.

This is not an issue limited to CAOD. Sadly.

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Originally by: Forum Fanatic

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Well written stuff that makes sense.

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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I will not liek human meat but the naerest I tried is human chesse. I don't want to tried again ...

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Originally by: Forum Fanatic

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I wax nostaglic about eve of the past where the forums were a hive of supportive and constructive posts

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Originally by: rValdez5987

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Perhaps a rule free /b/ Forum area is in order.

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Originally by: rValdez5987

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Perhaps a rule free /b/ Forum area is in order.

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Originally by: Rawr Cristina

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I don't think there's enough moderators in the world to enforce what you ask. Imagine the 40-page CAOD threads of nothing but snip ?

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Originally by: Siddy

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APERANTLY GEED PEE VEE PEE PLAYAS!!111

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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I'll have you know I haven't posted a single reply for quite some time now so there is no way I've been breaking any rules!

Oh wait, you mean moderation of players?
In that case carry on.

But seriously, I think it's better that moderation errs on the side of less than more when it comes to players. You are capable of ignoring people you think you should ignore while you will never be able to make judgment like that on removed content. Besides, I think the forums have improved over the past year if anything, at least there are way fewer RMT trolls that catch my eyes. But it's all just a personal opinion. Much like the notion of when you're crossing the lines of those rules is also a personal opinion, so I stick with erring on less than more.

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Originally by: Siddy

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APERANTLY GEED PEE VEE PEE PLAYAS!!111

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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But seriously, I think it's better that moderation errs on the side of less than more when it comes to players. You are capable of ignoring people you think you should ignore while you will never be able to make judgment like that on removed content.

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums to me.

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums.

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums to me.

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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I like the forums the way they are. I even get disappointed sometimes when I see a thread has been locked where I would have wanted to reply. The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums to me.

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Originally by: Lily Cole

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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I like the forums the way they are. I even get disappointed sometimes when I see a thread has been locked where I would have wanted to reply. The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums to me.

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I havn't seen anybody on these forums qualified to give a worthwhile appraisal.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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This is the internet, everyone is qualified.

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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I'll have you know I haven't posted a single reply for quite some time now so there is no way I've been breaking any rules!

Oh wait, you mean moderation of players?
In that case carry on.

But seriously, I think it's better that moderation errs on the side of less than more when it comes to players. You are capable of ignoring people you think you should ignore while you will never be able to make judgment like that on removed content. Besides, I think the forums have improved over the past year if anything, at least there are way fewer RMT trolls that catch my eyes. But it's all just a personal opinion. Much like the notion of when you're crossing the lines of those rules is also a personal opinion, so I stick with erring on less than more.

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Originally by: Forum Fanatic

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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I'll have you know I haven't posted a single reply for quite some time now so there is no way I've been breaking any rules!

Oh wait, you mean moderation of players?
In that case carry on.

But seriously, I think it's better that moderation errs on the side of less than more when it comes to players. You are capable of ignoring people you think you should ignore while you will never be able to make judgment like that on removed content. Besides, I think the forums have improved over the past year if anything, at least there are way fewer RMT trolls that catch my eyes. But it's all just a personal opinion. Much like the notion of when you're crossing the lines of those rules is also a personal opinion, so I stick with erring on less than more.

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So we'll just ignore the concensus that there is generally very poor community behaviour, and be done with it. What an appalling attitude to take. I guess that explains the almost relentless trolling/flaming in eve both on and off the servers. CCP don't care at all the type of community they foster.

I shall be cancelling an account which will close on the 23rd. Looks like the only way to seek positive change is to take my subscription money elsewhere. Its the only standard that gets listened to.

Anyone asking for my stuff is just another case in point.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Yeah, Prism is crazy Take responsibility for our own actions? HOW DARE HE SUGGEST SUCH A THING, HOWEVER INDIRECTLY!

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Originally by: Forum Fanatic

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I shall be cancelling an account which will close on the 23rd. Looks like the only way to seek positive change is to take my subscription money elsewhere. Its the only standard that gets listened to.

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Originally by: Forum Fanatic

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The community is incapable of taking responsibility for itself

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Originally by: Gonada

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now that they have destroyed that game, they leave and move on, and unfortunatly eve is next.

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Originally by: Gonada

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the real problem is the success of warcraft.

its success has initiated a generation of peoplke into the easy carebear methodology of " its too hard" "im casual" ect.

now that they have destroyed that game, they leave and move on, and unfortunatly eve is next.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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*moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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That si a fact comming out from my bran.

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Originally by: Zinras

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Well today i tried whining on the forums, and it failed, which annoyed me, How to to fix forums?!
SUSPEND ACCT!!!
I cant log in at all anymore.Will not pay for something i cant play!
Super angry and dissapointed..
4 mo. of this i think i have been more than patient!

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Originally by: Gonada

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the real problem is the success of warcraft.

its success has initiated a generation of peoplke into the easy carebear methodology of " its too hard" "im casual" ect.

now that they have destroyed that game, they leave and move on, and unfortunatly eve is next.

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Please note the report a post function above every post enables the community to effectively self-police itself by highlighting ones that you deem to break the rules.

CAOD has a bad reputation but a quick glance over the last five pages or so will see how heavily it is moderated. This goes for the forums as a whole, one of our daily tasks is to go through each channel both to moderate them and to highlight worthy threads for the rest of the development team.

So whilst we may miss a *bad* post from time to time, the Community Team as a whole gets through most channels, every day.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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How about a compromise. Moderate all the current forums properly, but create a new forum for all the whine/troll/fail (and forum warriors) which would stay at the current moderation level, or better yet be completely unmoderated.

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Originally by: corporal hicks

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Please note the report a post function above every post enables the community to effectively self-police itself by highlighting ones that you deem to break the rules.

CAOD has a bad reputation but a quick glance over the last five pages or so will see how heavily it is moderated. This goes for the forums as a whole, one of our daily tasks is to go through each channel both to moderate them and to highlight worthy threads for the rest of the development team.

So whilst we may miss a *bad* post from time to time, the Community Team as a whole gets through most channels, every day.

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I think thats the main problem there tbh, the fact it's made of nothing but locked spam threads with no content or downright offensive comments says it all really, instead of trying to cure the problem with serious consequences for the offenders your sticking a band aid on it and hoping it go's away. From my opinion as a player here from the start the forums of 3-4 years back were a joy to read, something new and constructive everyday, you only have to look back and see the lack of locked and modded posts to see that the eve playerbase has degenerated into a group of childish playground hoodlums who do nothing but try to outdo each other for the title of most idiotic post with the most replies.

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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The point I was attempting to make was that there is active and ongoing moderation of the forums. Elsewhere in this thread there are complaints of a lack of moderation, when we point to examples of moderation it's either not enough or too heavy-handed.

I'm sure residents of Crime & Punishment will be happy to add their voice on why they think that channel has become a mini-CAOD and how heavy-handed the moderation is there.

Moderation is serious (and subjective) business. It will always be not enough or too much for any individual, my point is that there are dedicated individuals doing it on a daily basis.

Special Agent Mitnal never lets the side down

The other point to be made was that the perception of CAOD is that it's an unregulated mess. On the contrary you could argue that it's over-moderated and that our presence there is too much as shown by the amount of locked threads.

I must be strange to enjoy the moderation process and get to read forums as part of a job and I hugely enjoy interacting in threads. At the heart of the process is making the experience that much more enjoyable, whether it be for a veteran player, new player, missioner, industrialist or POS warrior.

We can all help improve the quality of the community with the quality of our posts. One only needs to look in New Citizens to see that the advice on offer there from veterans, devs, GMs and new players alike is highly appreciated.

The forums may be better or worse than in the past but ultimately its improvement is in the hands of the people that post on them.

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Originally by: Rawr Cristina

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I don't think there's enough moderators in the world to enforce what you ask. Imagine the 40-page CAOD threads of nothing but snip ?

The only actual plague on EVE-O is the endless torrents of meme injected into seemingly every thread. Oh and by the way, Your Stuff, Can I have it?

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Originally by: Kruntologist

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Originally by: Rawr Cristina

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I don't think there's enough moderators in the world to enforce what you ask. Imagine the 40-page CAOD threads of nothing but snip ?

The only actual plague on EVE-O is the endless torrents of meme injected into seemingly every thread. Oh and by the way, Your Stuff, Can I have it?

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Tie forum warnings/bans to the game account and suddenly people would have to *gasp* start thinking about what they type..

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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See illustration.

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Originally by: Krows

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I absolutely agree,
CCP can write anything it wants about how things would be different were we to give into its demands and let it poison the relationship between teacher and student, but its cronies feel that "honesty and responsibility have no cash value and are therefore worthless." First off, that's a lousy sentence. If they had written instead that I have an inveterate hatred of CCP then that quote would have had more validity. As it stands, CCP wants to devalue me as a person. Why it wants that, I don't know, but that's what it wants. Now, I don't mean for that to sound pessimistic, although I plan to advance freedom in countries strangled by tyranny. This is a choice I have made; your choice is up to you. But let me remind you that CCP is an inspiration to counter-productive election-year also-rans everywhere. They panegyrize its crusade to separate people from their roots and cut their bonds to their natural communities and, more importantly, they don't realize that CCP demands that we make a choice. Either we let it terrorize our youngsters or it'll kill the goose bearing the golden egg. This "choice" exemplifies what is commonly known as a "false dichotomy" or "the fallacy of the excluded middle" because it denies other alternatives, such as that CCP's plaints are not our only concern. To state the matter in a few words, I don't see how CCP can build a workable policy around wishful thinking d****d over a morass of confusion (and also, as we'll see below, historical illiteracy), then impose it willy-nilly on a population by force. I'm not saying that it can't possibly be done but rather that CCP's ebullitions obfuscate any attempt to locate responsibility for the consequential decisions of those who have access to the means of power. That concept can be extended, mutatis mutandis, to the way that we can all have daydreams about Happy Fuzzy Purple Bunny Land, where everyone is caring, loving, and nice. Not only will those daydreams not come true, but any rational argument must acknowledge this. Its ethically bankrupt, vulgar hypnopompic insights, naturally, do not. As I have tried to show in this letter, even CCP must concede that this is kind of a touchy subject to some people. As long as you remember that, we may yet be able to plant markers that define the limits of what is revolting and what is not.

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Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather

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Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 22/07/2008 03:23:28

Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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The point I was attempting to make was that there is active and ongoing moderation of the forums. Elsewhere in this thread there are complaints of a lack of moderation, when we point to examples of moderation it's either not enough or too heavy-handed.

I'm sure residents of Crime & Punishment will be happy to add their voice on why they think that channel has become a mini-CAOD and how heavy-handed the moderation is there.

Moderation is serious (and subjective) business. It will always be not enough or too much for any individual, my point is that there are dedicated individuals doing it on a daily basis.

Special Agent Mitnal never lets the side down

The other point to be made was that the perception of CAOD is that it's an unregulated mess. On the contrary you could argue that it's over-moderated and that our presence there is too much as shown by the amount of locked threads.

I must be strange to enjoy the moderation process and get to read forums as part of a job and I hugely enjoy interacting in threads. At the heart of the process is making the experience that much more enjoyable, whether it be for a veteran player, new player, missioner, industrialist or POS warrior.

We can all help improve the quality of the community with the quality of our posts. One only needs to look in New Citizens to see that the advice on offer there from veterans, devs, GMs and new players alike is highly appreciated.

The forums may be better or worse than in the past but ultimately its improvement is in the hands of the people that post on them.

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I am just as guilty as others for starting /rant threads, and occasionally for posting some pretty flame based comments. Your right, as well as other posters that when it comes down to it, WE are responsible for what gets posted.

If I see a thread that's full of fail, and respond stating as much, I've simply fed a troll. If I create one that's a rant (like the one you locked earlier today), then I have myself become a troll.

The only thing to do then if I am to be a constructive member of the community, would be to not post or respond in threads or create threads like that.

Unfortunatly, some of them just BEG responses, and some SCREAM the need to have their fragile world views ripped apart. While I understand what your saying, the implementation of it isn't so easy. I have always had a low tolerance for stupidity (even my own) and have never been one to hold back the /flame when it was needed. But i'll try to be more helpful and less STFO and GTFO.

Storm

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Special Agent Mitnal never lets the side down

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Move Over ARod - The Material Girl's got a new Bo

Originally by: Roy Batty68

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Special Agent Mitnal never lets the side down

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A couple write-ups in Forum Crimes Weekly and it goes right to his head. Celebrities...

Next we'll be seeing him in the gossip rags with Madonna.

Move Over ARod - The Material Girl's got a new Bo

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Originally by: Tenacha Khan

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wtf is STFO?

I agree, I hate idiocey too.

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Originally by: Forum Fanatic

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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I'll have you know I haven't posted a single reply for quite some time now so there is no way I've been breaking any rules!

Oh wait, you mean moderation of players?
In that case carry on.

But seriously, I think it's better that moderation errs on the side of less than more when it comes to players. You are capable of ignoring people you think you should ignore while you will never be able to make judgment like that on removed content. Besides, I think the forums have improved over the past year if anything, at least there are way fewer RMT trolls that catch my eyes. But it's all just a personal opinion. Much like the notion of when you're crossing the lines of those rules is also a personal opinion, so I stick with erring on less than more.

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So we'll just ignore the concensus that there is generally very poor community behaviour, and be done with it. What an appalling attitude to take. I guess that explains the almost relentless trolling/flaming in eve both on and off the servers. CCP don't care at all the type of community they foster.

I shall be cancelling an account which will close on the 23rd. Looks like the only way to seek positive change is to take my subscription money elsewhere. Its the only standard that gets listened to.

Anyone asking for my stuff is just another case in point.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: Gonada

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now that they have destroyed that game, they leave and move on, and unfortunatly eve is next.

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We will troll and gank them out of the game.

Survival of the fittest and all that.

Well death of the weakest to be more accurate, but 'Darwinism' is such a catchy term we may as well continue abusing it

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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Besides, I think the forums have improved over the past year if anything, at least there are way fewer RMT trolls that catch my eyes.

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Originally by: Faife

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Originally by: Zinras

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Well today i tried whining on the forums, and it failed, which annoyed me, How to to fix forums?!
SUSPEND ACCT!!!
I cant log in at all anymore.Will not pay for something i cant play!
Super angry and dissapointed..
4 mo. of this i think i have been more than patient!

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4chan must be down...

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Please note the report a post function above every post enables the community to effectively self-police itself by highlighting ones that you deem to break the rules.

CAOD has a bad reputation but a quick glance over the last five pages or so will see how heavily it is moderated. This goes for the forums as a whole, one of our daily tasks is to go through each channel both to moderate them and to highlight worthy threads for the rest of the development team.

So whilst we may miss a *bad* post from time to time, the Community Team as a whole gets through most channels, every day.

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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And sometimes the cheese doodles wear party hats and dance by the bonfire next to the ketchup in the old pickup. But once I was there over looking the beach with a cucumber salad and I saw a peculiar shape in the sky. In the moonlight, now I can't be certain but it appeared to be a flying tank pulled by mollusks, it drew near. when who other but CCP Mitnal's face did appear. I hadn't thought I drank that much beer.

Thats when I shat myself. Everything went dark he said he has his list. I don't clearly recall the few hours after that, but I did learn squids is not for eats.

Ever since that night when I look at the moon and hold my spoon I hear the *click*click*click* of threads being locked.

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Originally by: Buff Plankchest

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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And sometimes the cheese doodles wear party hats and dance by the bonfire next to the ketchup in the old pickup. But once I was there over looking the beach with a cucumber salad and I saw a peculiar shape in the sky. In the moonlight, now I can't be certain but it appeared to be a flying tank pulled by mollusks, it drew near. when who other but CCP Mitnal's face did appear. I hadn't thought I drank that much beer.

Thats when I shat myself. Everything went dark he said he has his list. I don't clearly recall the few hours after that, but I did learn squids is not for eats.

Ever since that night when I look at the moon and hold my spoon I hear the *click*click*click* of threads being locked.

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Wow, good thing you didn't see the Lord Garmon... you'd have shat out your lungs

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