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Neesha Marinn Sexy Goose 0	Posted - 2012.04.04 07:33:00 - [31] - Quote Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: I fly all of these ships and dont base my decisions on ETF ETF? Must be a new program. Anyway, tengu all the way for me. Its just good allround. Tanks pretty much everything, it might not always be the fastest but it definately is one easy going ship to run missions in.
Pookoko Sigma Sagittarii Inc. 32	Posted - 2012.04.04 08:48:00 - [32] - Quote While I do love my Tengu, I do not agree that it's the fastest ship. Against Angels Mach is faster, against Blood and Sansha Nightmare is faster, against Serpentis Kronos/Nightmare is faster. I own all these ships and Tengu is best when I want to blitz, but when I'm looking to kill all rats there are faster ships.
I Accidentally YourShip Amarrian Parasylum Brushie Brushie Brushie 157	Posted - 2012.04.04 17:51:00 - [33] - Quote It's obviously different based on the area that you mission in but if you had a choice, I'd take Nightmare (or Paladin) in Amarr space over Machariel (or Vargur) in Minmatar space myself. Faction ammo is usable to great effect, not necessary to use T2 ammo to push damage projection out to a reasonable level when fighting farther rats, and moving isn't even necessary. Even with both using faction ammo, the Nightmare outdpses the Mach starting at 25km, and while there are quite a few missions where rats start close to optimal there are also missions where they do not, which means you need to take the time to get to the rats. Barrage is an answer yes, but not only does it do less dps even at maximum, but it only starts outdpsing multifreq at 70km, which does not even matter with the Mach's 77km lock range, and that is easily answered with ultraviolet etc. WIth the dps gap, and the damage projection difference I would think that the Nightmare is strictly superior not only against EM weak but thermal weak rats as well. Due to a lack of kinetic focused ammunition I would also wager that for kinetic rats with a secondary EM or thermal weakness the nightmare is at least on par. That leaves just angels and minmatar as a potential situation for Mach superiority. The damage projection difference is very important, even with an MWD the travel time on a Machariel is not negligible I've been a proponent of projectile superiority for some time now but taking a hard look at the differences between these systems I think I would recommend flying a Nightmare anywhere outside of Minmatar space, and even then it's not that big of a deal to either decline a few angels missions or even just do them with a laser platform, the dps is so high.
Herr Ronin ISN Management 21	Posted - 2012.04.04 20:15:00 - [34] - Quote bom chickawawa wrote: What ship do you think is the ultimate solo level 4 mission ship? what ship has enough tank to not have to warp out and enough dps to blast there way through them as quick as possiable. please post fit tactics and any other info u feel is relevant Include price aswell just for the lolz MWD Machariel with t2 800mm's Warp into site, Keep at range allways, Pulse your MWD and you are golden.
Hans Momaki State War Academy Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.04.04 22:05:00 - [35] - Quote Creh Ester wrote: If you're looking for something that will tank the entire room indefinitely, when you're webbed and scrammed, I don't think such ship exists. Not for the biggest rooms. A 10 billion isk navy- domi might tank even the hardest lv 4. But, who on earth would spend 10 bil on a domi, lol.
Staldan Surrender Dorothy Bipolar Stability 0	Posted - 2012.04.04 22:38:00 - [36] - Quote Golem hands down for Caldari. Nothing better to automate isk making. Warp in. Sit still. Let missiles / torps do their job and salvage while you go.
I Accidentally YourShip Amarrian Parasylum Brushie Brushie Brushie 160	Posted - 2012.04.04 23:44:00 - [37] - Quote Staldan wrote: Golem hands down for Caldari. Nothing better to automate isk making. Warp in. Sit still. Let missiles / torps do their job and salvage while you go. Except for all the target painter micromanaging. No thanks, worst marauder hands down. Kronos beats it in Caldari space, easy.
I Accidentally YourShip Amarrian Parasylum Brushie Brushie Brushie 160	Posted - 2012.04.04 23:46:00 - [38] - Quote Gorki Andropov wrote: Alternatively, My Raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I Not sure if troll or bad.
Dato Koppla Perkone Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.04.05 05:24:00 - [39] - Quote Hans Momaki wrote: Creh Ester wrote: If you're looking for something that will tank the entire room indefinitely, when you're webbed and scrammed, I don't think such ship exists. Not for the biggest rooms. A 10 billion isk navy- domi might tank even the hardest lv 4. But, who on earth would spend 10 bil on a domi, lol. lolwut? Learn to eft warrior [Drake, Mission Tank] Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile [Empty High slot] Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 70 million, 1300 DPS tank against Angels, (30 minutes, so basically cap-stable) AE4 bonus room puts out around 1050 dps and is one of the highest dps L4 rooms, so yeah you can be webbed and painted to hell and back and you can still take a **** halfway through =P
I Accidentally YourShip Amarrian Parasylum Brushie Brushie Brushie 160	Posted - 2012.04.05 08:31:00 - [40] - Quote Dato Koppla wrote: Hans Momaki wrote: Creh Ester wrote: If you're looking for something that will tank the entire room indefinitely, when you're webbed and scrammed, I don't think such ship exists. Not for the biggest rooms. A 10 billion isk navy- domi might tank even the hardest lv 4. But, who on earth would spend 10 bil on a domi, lol. lolwut? Learn to eft warrior [Drake, Mission Tank] Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile [Empty High slot] Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 70 million, 1300 DPS tank against Angels, (30 minutes, so basically cap-stable) AE4 bonus room puts out around 1050 dps and is one of the highest dps L4 rooms, so yeah you can be webbed and painted to hell and back and you can still take a **** halfway through =P Going to need to with the amount of time it would take to clear the bonus room with that crap. Not even one BCU fit.
Dato Koppla Perkone Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.04.05 09:40:00 - [41] - Quote I Accidentally YourShip wrote: Dato Koppla wrote: Hans Momaki wrote: Creh Ester wrote: If you're looking for something that will tank the entire room indefinitely, when you're webbed and scrammed, I don't think such ship exists. Not for the biggest rooms. A 10 billion isk navy- domi might tank even the hardest lv 4. But, who on earth would spend 10 bil on a domi, lol. lolwut? Learn to eft warrior [Drake, Mission Tank] Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile [Empty High slot] Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 70 million, 1300 DPS tank against Angels, (30 minutes, so basically cap-stable) AE4 bonus room puts out around 1050 dps and is one of the highest dps L4 rooms, so yeah you can be webbed and painted to hell and back and you can still take a ** halfway through =P Going to need to with the amount of time it would take to clear the bonus room with that crap. Not even one BCU fit. Yeah obviously, I would never run something like this, I was merely implying that 10billion on a domi just to tank a room is a ridiculous amount, if you really wanted to you can do it in a Draek. I would never do something like this, it's straight up ****** as you want as much deeps and as little tank.
YaSiS The Tetragrammaton. 1	Posted - 2012.04.11 19:57:00 - [42] - Quote I say Kronos for Caldari space. 917 damage , and with 158 drones damage it does more then you need :)
Sebrefa Magellan Corporation 1	Posted - 2012.04.11 22:12:00 - [43] - Quote Substantia Nigra wrote: IMHO: Fastest mission completion (but requires brain to be engaged) - machariel (possibly nightmare also) and vargur. Safest AFK mission runner (not necessarily needing the engagement of brain) - rattlesnake. Very safe (but needs some brain engaged) - golem. Most versatile all-rounder (can be used with brain engaged or without much brain engaged) - tengu. Most interesting (needs a lot of brain engaged) - Any assault frigate, or pirate frigate. Assault frigs can do enough damage to run 4s? Also whats the general concensus on Proteus?
Katja Faith Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2012.04.11 23:10:00 - [44] - Quote Gorki Andropov wrote: I think that the ultimate level 4 ship is the good ship Friendship. As opposed to the good ship Lollipop...
stoicfaux 944	Posted - 2012.04.12 00:13:00 - [45] - Quote Katja Faith wrote: Gorki Andropov wrote: I think that the ultimate level 4 ship is the good ship Friendship. As opposed to the good ship Lollipop... Pfffft. I raise you pansies one Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
Neesha Marinn Sexy Goose 1	Posted - 2012.04.12 10:06:00 - [46] - Quote Staldan wrote: Golem hands down for Caldari. Nothing better to automate isk making. Warp in. Sit still. Let missiles / torps do their job and salvage while you go. Disagree. Big clunky ship, slow as fuzz, and getting jammed in caldari space with that thing happens way too often to my tastes. Flew it, pimped it, disliked it, sold it. Timespan of one week. Tengu <-- GÖÑ
Gorki Andropov Kerensky Initiatives 297	Posted - 2012.04.12 18:14:00 - [47] - Quote I Accidentally YourShip wrote: Not sure if troll or bad. You are either too young a player or too uninformed about EVE to get that.
Hans Momaki State War Academy Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.04.13 00:21:00 - [48] - Quote Dato Koppla wrote: I Accidentally YourShip wrote: Dato Koppla wrote: Hans Momaki wrote: Creh Ester wrote: If you're looking for something that will tank the entire room indefinitely, when you're webbed and scrammed, I don't think such ship exists. Not for the biggest rooms. A 10 billion isk navy- domi might tank even the hardest lv 4. But, who on earth would spend 10 bil on a domi, lol. lolwut? Learn to eft warrior [Drake, Mission Tank] Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile [Empty High slot] Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 70 million, 1300 DPS tank against Angels, (30 minutes, so basically cap-stable) AE4 bonus room puts out around 1050 dps and is one of the highest dps L4 rooms, so yeah you can be webbed and painted to hell and back and you can still take a ** halfway through =P Going to need to with the amount of time it would take to clear the bonus room with that crap. Not even one BCU fit. Yeah obviously, I would never run something like this, I was merely implying that 10billion on a domi just to tank a room is a ridiculous amount, if you really wanted to you can do it in a Draek. I would never do something like this, it's straight up ****** as you want as much deeps and as little tank. Lol, highest lv4 dps Output is something arround 3,5k RAW dmg. Its Called EA 5/5. Nuff said, scrub.
Dato Koppla Perkone Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.04.13 01:59:00 - [49] - Quote Yeah well you could outfit a tengu for less than a billion and get enough tank because the speed tank would just make the battleship dps lulzy, but the dps will never remain that high for long because you're normally killing stuff, tanking whole rooms is just not the way its meant to be.
kratos candre Southern Pride 3	Posted - 2012.04.13 04:47:00 - [50] - Quote Nighthawk with deadspace active tank, full crystal set, t2 heavies. I have yet to find a mission i haven't tanked.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 40	Posted - 2012.04.13 05:11:00 - [51] - Quote kratos candre wrote: Nighthawk with deadspace active tank, full crystal set, t2 heavies. I have yet to find a mission i haven't tanked. Chainsaw with 50 horse powers, titanium chain, NOS injection. I have yet to find a slice of toast i can't cut in half.
Vetorept Fera Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 31	Posted - 2012.04.13 05:23:00 - [52] - Quote das tengu In pace requiescat
Shereza Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.04.16 09:26:00 - [53] - Quote Sebrefa wrote: Substantia Nigra wrote: IMHO: Fastest mission completion (but requires brain to be engaged) - machariel (possibly nightmare also) and vargur. Safest AFK mission runner (not necessarily needing the engagement of brain) - rattlesnake. Very safe (but needs some brain engaged) - golem. Most versatile all-rounder (can be used with brain engaged or without much brain engaged) - tengu. Most interesting (needs a lot of brain engaged) - Any assault frigate, or pirate frigate. Assault frigs can do enough damage to run 4s? Also whats the general concensus on Proteus? I won't say much for the proteus except that it's the best of the T3s for drones. Take from that what you will. Assault ships, however, definitely do do enough damage to handle L4s. I was able to solo L4s in a drake pulling barely 250 DPS and the ishkur can, with nearly but not quite maximum skills, push 350 or so DPS and the Enyo can push 400. Other assault ships will very and those are with setups that pretty much require that you shield tank the ships, but it's do'able from a DPS perspective. On the flip side the Nemesis, for example, can lay down 400 DPS (at maximum skills, no relevant implants) at around 110-120km with Inferno Javelin torpedoes and T2 BCSes. Not what one would consider the ideal setup either, but potentially fun if you can keep at that range. Of course at this point you're probably doing this for fun and mission time isn't a big factor. In that case I'd probably just use several T2 ships. I'd use the stealth bomber to take out the (battle) cruisers and any short-range (read that as machariel) battleships, and until NPC destroyers get buffed them as well, probably use something like an interceptor to take out frigates and spider drones if I'm feeling suicidal or an assault ship if I'm not, and then use an assault ship or the stealth bomber for the remaining battleships. Of course truth be told if I were doing this stuff for fun I'd just use a deimos or curse.
Caellach Marellus Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative 514	Posted - 2012.04.19 16:17:00 - [54] - Quote Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: forget a vindy. Looks fantastic to an ETF warrior but you have to be very close to get that DPS on the target. You don't fit Blasters. Rail Vindis work, if I didn't salvage everything and thus fly a Rail Kronos I'd be flying one. Enjoy your gaming. http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com
Celeritas 5k Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus 30	Posted - 2012.04.19 18:39:00 - [55] - Quote Caellach Marellus wrote: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: forget a vindy. Looks fantastic to an ETF warrior but you have to be very close to get that DPS on the target. You don't fit Blasters. Rail Vindis work, if I didn't salvage everything and thus fly a Rail Kronos I'd be flying one. Yeah, rail vindi is awesome. Far outperforms the tengu, unless you're blitzing.
Masamune Dekoro School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 83	Posted - 2012.04.19 23:38:00 - [56] - Quote Bodessia wrote: Train up for a tengu, you will never regret it! Dude your face.
Orlacc Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2012.04.20 00:14:00 - [57] - Quote Machariel.
Tenchuu Khaan x-instinct 1	Posted - 2012.04.20 12:23:00 - [58] - Quote If you fly them like me as a pastime activity, Tengu.

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