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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.23 01:53:00 -
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Alright, I read this article and would like to see some opinions out of interest. Personally, I think getting shot and killed is an occupational hazard of breaking and entering people's homes. Let's see what you think
15 year old burglar shot dead
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.07.23 01:55:00 -
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Makes sense to me.
 Originally by: Crumplecorn
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.23 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Hudson on 23/07/2008 01:58:16
Don't do the crime if you cant do the time - which in the boys case is forever
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Buff Plankchest
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Posted - 2008.07.23 01:59:00 -
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Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
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Hann3ybal
Koshaku
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Posted - 2008.07.23 02:02:00 -
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"it doesnÆt make sense that someone can kill another person and not spend any time in jail."
To me it doesn't make sense that someone can commit a crime like breaking into someones home without expecting some form of punishment, albeit in this case a severe form of punishment
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.07.23 02:04:00 -
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It is a horribly regrettable thing of course. It doesn't change the fact that he knew there was a risk of getting in trouble for this at sometime. Who knows maybe his drug addiction may have even gotten worse and he would have ended up holding up 7-11s for cash next.
Originally by: Crumplecorn
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Xiu Ju
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Posted - 2008.07.23 02:23:00 -
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someone got owned in the face, literally 
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Cosy
Gallente
Porandor
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Posted - 2008.07.23 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: pwnedgato
Who knows maybe his drug addiction may have even gotten worse and he would have ended up holding up 7/11s for cash next.
lol
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Fraszoid
Caldari
Condottieri Industries
The Economy
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Posted - 2008.07.23 02:28:00 -
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While its sad the kid died, from what was reported, he knew the risks and had done other crimes too, so I feel no sympathy for his death. I can only hope that some of the others will take this as a cue to straighten up, and be good members of society.
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Gabbot
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Posted - 2008.07.23 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Gabbot on 23/07/2008 02:29:54
If only the UK had any idea about gun laws....
Though, he did get shot in the BACK of the head and 3 seperate guns were fired, which suggests that the shooter had enough time to fire and pick up the 2 other guns (shotguns fired first, handgun fired last) by which time the victim was running from the scene, the force used should have been less lethal, but albiet it is regretable.
Also, he owned a number of guns, but was unable to incapacitate the burgular on the first shot? This worries me, are inexperienced shooters allowed to own a number of guns now....wow
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.07.23 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gabbot
Edited by: Gabbot on 23/07/2008 02:29:54
Though, he did get shot in the BACK of the head and 3 seperate guns were fired, which suggests that the shooter had enough time to fire and pick up the 2 other guns (shotguns fired first, handgun fired last) by which time the victim was running from the scene, the force used should have been less lethal, but albiet it is regretable.
Poor writing on the papers part but they meant there were 2 shotguns and 1 handgun out, but only the handgun had been fired. Also if you are firing a weapon your intent is to kill. Anything less is more likely than not to get you killed.
Originally by: Crumplecorn
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Drax Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.07.23 02:44:00 -
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It's perfectly reasonable.
If somebody was breaking into your house you're going to stop them because you don't know if they're armed or not. Of course a baseball bat still stops people to the same effect.
The shooter will also, probably, be battling with this for the rest of his life.
'While the dispatcher was attempting to calm McGuire, telling him it was going to be OK, McGuire responded, ôItÆs not going to be OK. I just shot a kid.ö '
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
Exxxotic
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Posted - 2008.07.23 03:06:00 -
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I feel very sorry for the parents of the child, to them he was there child and loved him no matter what, however i am a firm beliver in crime should be punnished, and a person has the right to defend there home, family, selves, and things, its just unfortunate that someone died, but they knew the risks.
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Gabbot
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Posted - 2008.07.23 03:30:00 -
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If only cloning was possible like it was in eve.
Then the burgular would be able to have his juvenile anus widened in prison, the parents would be happy, the guy who shot him could live easier AND the burgular wouldnt lose any skillpoints!
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
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Posted - 2008.07.23 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Gabbot
If only cloning was possible like it was in eve.
Then the burgular would be able to have his juvenile anus widened in prison, the parents would be happy, the guy who shot him could live easier AND the burgular wouldnt lose any skillpoints!
Pff. Screw that. Pod him repeatedly right out of the clone vat. Not that you could screw up his mind any more then it is already.
Ok seriously though it's kind of sad the kid had to meet the lesson the hard way so early on. I have a friend who's made a stupid mistake that destroyed his ankle and has to live with difficulty/pain walking for the rest of his life. Actually he's lucky to be walking at all.
He's learned from his mistakes and is actually much wiser now. He was given the chance and took it. Unfortunately this kid never had the chance to get older and wisen up. Which is what sucks about it. Don't get me wrong. It's not the homeowners fault, but he still has to live with it for the rest of his life. It's just a bad situation that ended in the worse possible way.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.07.23 04:01:00 -
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Quote:
Saban Ferizi, BerisajÆs father, said Wednesday it doesnÆt make sense that someone can kill another person and not spend any time in jail.
That's hilarious
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.23 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 23/07/2008 04:20:53
...according to the report
...according to the report
...according to the report
what a mess 
though I don't believe lethal force should be allowed even to be used against criminals considering just how many non-lethal alternatives are available.
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Buff Plankchest
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Posted - 2008.07.23 04:26:00 -
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Edited by: Buff Plankchest on 23/07/2008 04:27:00
There's less lethal, not non-lethal... and no one is going to fire off a CS gas grenade in their house.
Also, less lethal require a lot more skill to use, cost a lot more, and have to be used at a very close range... and at close range things move fast and civilians just can't handle that.
*Edit: It's just easier, ok?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.23 04:35:00 -
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well done, bonus points for a headshot
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.23 05:00:00 -
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I absolutely support that this kid died. And all the wishy washy liberals in this thread who think that the kid should not have died disgust me. I hope you idiots turn your swords into plowshares so that greater men can lead you to something exceptional.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.23 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Buff Plankchest
Edited by: Buff Plankchest on 23/07/2008 04:27:00
There's less lethal, not non-lethal... and no one is going to fire off a CS gas grenade in their house.
Also, less lethal require a lot more skill to use, cost a lot more, and have to be used at a very close range... and at close range things move fast and civilians just can't handle that.
*Edit: It's just easier, ok?
The problem is that people are using weapons designed to kill in situations where it isn't neccessary.
Less-lethal alternatives (for instance, rubber/plastic bullets) would be just as effective at stopping an intruder; only the liklihood of killing is drastically lower.
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Buff Plankchest
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Posted - 2008.07.23 05:58:00 -
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Exactly, they're not designed to kill but they can kill very easily... a headshot (like what happened) or a shot to the chest will do it with a rubber bullet. Then you get charged with failing to maintain control of the device which opens the door to the wrongful death lawsuits.
Thx but I'll stick with my .40 SXTs
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Akiba Penrose
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.23 06:14:00 -
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Imo Jeff McGuire should be charged with murder.
He shot and killed a juvenile for attempting to break in.
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Angela Toren
Amarr
Toren Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.23 06:25:00 -
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In defence there is no 100% sure way to ensure that the events which are said to have happened are accurate. Therefore justice could not possibly have been served as all you have is one mans word and a dead kid on his porch with a bullet in his head.
sht, you could stage a robbery if you wanted to legally kill someone in the US.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.23 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Akiba Penrose
Imo Jeff McGuire should be charged with murder.
He shot and killed a juvenile for attempting to break in.
The little miscreant had it coming.
Contemplate if you will.
Someone is trying to break into your house/apartment. You can't know why they are doing in - maybe they are here to rob you, maybe they are here to harm you or your family. Maybe they are here to rob you but will not hesitate to harm you or yours if they get into their way. You are going to assume the worse! And you are going to do what any sane person would do - protect you and yours. It's completely within bounds of logic.
I don't see how using deadly force in such a situation would seem unreasonable.
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
You are insane.
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Buff Plankchest
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Posted - 2008.07.23 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: Akiba Penrose
Imo Jeff McGuire should be charged with murder.
He shot and killed a juvenile for attempting to break in.
The little miscreant had it coming.
Contemplate if you will.
Someone is trying to break into your house/apartment. You can't know why they are doing in - maybe they are here to rob you, maybe they are here to harm you or your family. Maybe they are here to rob you but will not hesitate to harm you or yours if they get into their way. You are going to assume the worse! And you are going to do what any sane person would do - protect you and yours. It's completely within bounds of logic.
I don't see how using deadly force in such a situation would seem unreasonable.
It also depends on who the shooter is... let's say the shooter is a 60 year old man with arthritis. That sets in your mind he is a very feeble old man that can't do anything if attacked.
On the other hand, say the shooter is a 22 year old Force Recon Marine... then yes, he used way more force than would be needed
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Sirikar Nakasoroki
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Posted - 2008.07.23 06:35:00 -
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wow its so sad to see something like that. The guy had 6 guns in his house, holy crap who needs 6 guns . The kid never even made it in the door and considering his was shot in the back of the head kind of shows he tried to run after the first shot was fired. Tbh its a travesty of justice that someone can justify using that much force to prevent a burglery.
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Buff Plankchest
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Posted - 2008.07.23 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sirikar Nakasoroki
wow its so sad to see something like that. The guy had 6 guns in his house, holy crap who needs 6 guns. The kid never even made it in the door and considering his was shot in the back of the head kind of shows he tried to run after the first shot was fired. Tbh its a travesty of justice that someone can justify using that much force to prevent a burglery.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.23 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Angela Toren
In defence there is no 100% sure way to ensure that the events which are said to have happened are accurate. Therefore justice could not possibly have been served as all you have is one mans word and a dead kid on his porch with a bullet in his head.
sht, you could stage a robbery if you wanted to legally kill someone in the US.
This is why people tell you that if you shoot an intruder, make SURE he is dead (serious). That way, there is much less chance of a lawsuit and people putting up conflicting points of view.
And yes, my goal with this thread was to draw in some of the "guns are bad this is too much force" people to see some different views and start an argument. One thing I'd like to know is if someone broke into your home and harmed your family, would you change your view on guns/non-lethal equivalents?
I don't understand how people think there is too much force when defending yourself and/or your family on YOUR property. As long as the dude is coming at you, it is HIS issue, not yours. If I saw an arm coming through my door and trying to get into the house, you bet I'd be beating the shit out of it.
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Kyanzes
Amarr
Utopian Research I.E.L.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 06:45:00 -
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Anyone who endangers the life or property of others should be severely punished. When they choose to break the law they should basically be considered as if they would be saying that "No, I don't wish to enjoy the benefits this society has been providing me and henceforth I willingly give up all my constitutional rights and my citizenship with it."
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