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CCP Taera	Posted - 2008.07.24 16:46:00 - [1] With the addition of factional warfare and Black Rise, the first new region since the launch of EVE, Empyrean Age meant a ton of new content requiring in-depth testing from our QA team. Luckily, the guys in QA Engineering came up with some innovative methods to rise to the challenge. Read CCP Lingorm's new blog, QA Engineering - Empyrean Age, to learn about the new QA tools and how this will affect future expansions. Taera Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email

Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.07.24 17:01:00 - [2] Nice blog. It is kind of cool to hear about the bugs that we didn't need to find and report our selves.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.24 17:14:00 - [3] Very nice indeed, and much apreciated. I love technical devblogs!
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.07.24 17:21:00 - [4] The load client sounds interesting; talking about that sort of thing, are there any plans to develop some sort of flight recorder, so that people who want to make videos can just record motions and actions the time and render everything afterwards, free of lag? Zzz research towers Direrie NEW: Liekuri 20:1 low-end compression
Chruker	Posted - 2008.07.24 17:31:00 - [5] nice devblog Did you really not have any testing scripts before? Now when can regular players could get their hands on a version of this lightweight client (with the scripting removed)? ;-) Also a suggestion for a QA test script: I have this page http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/character_creation.php which is generated by a simple script using the information in the datadumps. It even highlights errors like the level 6 that new amarr engineers got after one of the recent patches. Also if the combined skillpoint total is too far away from the 800k mark. Anyway that script would be very simple to expand to also make sure that each skill have its prequistics satisfied. ----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online ----- Top wishes: - No daily downtime - Faster training on sisi - Speedup IGB table rendering
King Leopold Congo Free State	Posted - 2008.07.24 18:04:00 - [6] Slightly interested in your graphic modeling testing approach. Did you render these in some sim and then test the attributes? I've created similar harnesses before to test 3d images rendered to find oil and gas deposits. I was wondering if you uses DirectX or OpenGL api's to get inside those models. Considering this is what i do for a living, I was wondering how CCP addressed the automation. -- Read my Blog - Congo Free State

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.07.24 18:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Chruker nice devblog Did you really not have any testing scripts before? Now when can regular players could get their hands on a version of this lightweight client (with the scripting removed)? ;-) Also a suggestion for a QA test script: I have this page http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/character_creation.php which is generated by a simple script using the information in the datadumps. It even highlights errors like the level 6 that new amarr engineers got after one of the recent patches. Also if the combined skillpoint total is too far away from the 800k mark. Anyway that script would be very simple to expand to also make sure that each skill have its prequistics satisfied. The QA department have many regression tests and scripts that must be run through when testing at the various levels, but most of the game changes that occur are generally on a much smaller level; tweaks and balances to specific ships or features, rather than huge amounts of similar features. Who wants to be the unlucky one who jumps through 500 gates? Or goes to each asteroid belt in a region to check the ore there? These automated tests cover very needed areas of game play in a very simple manner. Your suggestion for a script would be covered more by unit testing, which is also being expanded, since it's more about data validation and balancing than 'does it work' (although that too is part of the test).

Miyamoto Uroki Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.24 18:23:00 - [8] Quote: We have created stubbed version of our audio and graphics engines so that we can now replace these in the client and significantly reduce the amount of CPU and memory used by the client Hehe, I guess there are lots of players out there who would kill to get their hands on such a client version. Very interesting dev-blog..oh and I would love to hear more about future API options and what you are planning for it Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face

CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.07.24 18:48:00 - [9] We have a dev blog coming soon(tm) on new API features and testing processes. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.


CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.07.24 18:50:00 - [10] Edited by: CCP Sputnik on 24/07/2008 18:51:48 Originally by: King Leopold Slightly interested in your graphic modeling testing approach. Did you render these in some sim and then test the attributes? I've created similar harnesses before to test 3d images rendered to find oil and gas deposits. I was wondering if you uses DirectX or OpenGL api's to get inside those models. Considering this is what i do for a living, I was wondering how CCP addressed the automation. We are not testing on the model itself (at least for now), the tests we are doing make sure that wrapped graphics object has the right attributes within the limits of our graphics engine. For example we are testing if the textures of a ship are not bigger than a certain size, that the turret pairings of a ship are right, that the effects which are used are actually existing or that the bounding sphere (which is the physical representation of the object in the physics engine) are set to the right value. All these tests are on a really low level and just should make sure that all the graphical assets we have are working with our graphics engine and have additionally no bad influence on the performance of the game. We also have tests which are similar to the stuff you did, they are not in the automated framework yet but we are testing the placement of textures by replacing them with a one colored texture and checking with a script for gaps between textures. We are still working on a special framework for those tests which should be finished soon. Unfortunately most of the "real" graphical tests still have to be done by a Tester, because "has the right attributes" is not the same as "looks GOOD" we don't expect the computer to see if the players like something or not. Therefore the major thing we want to achieve is that all our graphic assets have a certain standard and when a tester looks over it we are sure that its processed the right way by the graphics engine and the performance is as good as possible. Edit: And about the load client ... thats my toy I'm not sharing it with anybody else __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer


PC5 Black Souls Industries The Unseen Company	Posted - 2008.07.24 19:14:00 - [11] Edited by: PC5 on 24/07/2008 19:20:33 Some ppl call it nice devblog but its BORING. Whats interesting about testing stargates, asteroid belts, loot tables? Normaly i wouldnt complain but i want to read about something interesting and last 10 displayed devblogs are crap for me. Im not interested in Evelopedia, E-ON devblog nr X, Customer Support, PvE Content blog which lacks content or others. Im sure ppl are more interested in such things as: - planet colonization, - comets, - solar-system wide asteroid belts, - atmospheric fights near planets, - capital ships possible changes, - fleet battles issues and CCP thoughts about that, - future game development, and many many more.. Some development projects failed - like anti blob warfare (ECM, bombs) and we have only crap like this recent devblog to read? Why its happening so? There are much more important things in game which need devblog but instead we get something like those last 10. And other thing is when will we see updated "In Development" page? To lazy to change it? Give us something good, something fresh, something we WANT to read about and help you somehow. Maybe its only temporary and as 'older' player i will see something interesting here soon. Lets hope so. PS. Sorry for my english, it will improve i promise ;) I hope CCP will improve too, because 1-2 years ago it was interesting to read devblogs, now it isint. Not only for me but for serval ppl i play with and i know ingame.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.07.24 19:53:00 - [12] Excellent blog.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2008.07.24 19:53:00 - [13] Great to see, the awesome work and tools you guys have developed, explained to the EVE Community. That's a hell of tool suite you have there! ≡v≡ Strategic Maps in Eve-Online Store - Includes Black Rise & Empyrean Age
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:00:00 - [14] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 24/07/2008 20:00:47 Originally by: PC5 Edited by: PC5 on 24/07/2008 19:20:33 ... And other thing is when will we see updated "In Development" page? To lazy to change it? Lucita, you might want to swing by the Assembly Hall to post your suggestions before calling others lazy. ≡v≡ Strategic Maps in Eve-Online Store - Includes Black Rise & Empyrean Age
Aelin Dao GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:25:00 - [15] Edited by: Aelin Dao on 24/07/2008 20:26:43 You mentioned a new framework for unit testing in the WiS codebase, and integrating it back into the existing code later. Does this mean that the main codebase doesn't have any unit testing at the moment, or was the worry about the new and old frameworks playing well alongside one another? What about pyUnit prompted you to roll your own system? How does it compare to something like Nose, or even just doctests? Also, thanks, it's nice to see technical blog posts. Keep 'em coming.
PC5 Black Souls Industries The Unseen Company	Posted - 2008.07.24 21:44:00 - [16] Edited by: PC5 on 24/07/2008 21:47:10 Originally by: Serenity Steele Edited by: Serenity Steele on 24/07/2008 20:00:47 Originally by: PC5 Edited by: PC5 on 24/07/2008 19:20:33 ... And other thing is when will we see updated "In Development" page? To lazy to change it? Lucita, you might want to swing by the Assembly Hall to post your suggestions before calling others lazy. Youre in CSM and say such things? Aparently you dont have any idea for how long that list is there and nobody cares to change it. Im not the only one who wants this page updated, so stop making idiot of me - sending me to post on other board. They know about that list, they havent done anything and i wont post another spam post on Assembly Hall - because its long term issue, maybe one year passed since last update. Serenity Steele - please go read sections "The Drawingboard", "In Testing" in Patch Notes - thats same thing like "In Development". And finaly my point is if they have time to write 10 crap devblogs why the hell cant they update something REALLY interesting and important for many players? Maybe thats issue for you as CSM member i dont know. All i know that there are dozens of players who think same like me, ive talked to them, played with them, but they wont post here, because they dont care much for forums and they dont belive they can change anything. Well i had to say what i think here and i call those people lazy for not doing something which is important for me and many people and whatmore - its quite simple! And i ask myself sometimes why is it so happening. Maybe they dont have time, maybe exprienced staff left for other projects, we see a lot of new faces, names, its whole new CCP for me - but i dont accept situations like those described, because its my favorite game after all ;) They can work on other games, projects as company, whatever, but i still call them lazy because they have time to write crap devblogs and they dont care about other more interesting things. Lets hope they are just lazy, it would be really bad if they wouldnt care.
Hehulk Black Sea Industries	Posted - 2008.07.24 22:00:00 - [17] Did your look into loot tables not pick up on the broken loot tables for some of the DED complex overseers? Like serpentis 3/10s still droping gisti modules when they should be droping coreli ---------- It's great being minmatar, ain't it
Four Degrees Caldari Alternative End Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:37:00 - [18] Edited by: Four Degrees on 25/07/2008 00:37:51 Originally by: PC5 Lets hope they are just lazy, it would be really bad if they wouldnt care. You managed to hit a nerve, well done. Since you've been playing EVE you've taken for granted that CCP as a company are largely transparent about their activities, within reason, which is oh-so uncommon in todays climate in regards to large development companies. The reason they are posting this information is to inspire confidence in their customers that things are improving, what they're doing to instigate improvement and also to "entertain" those interested in the inner-workings. (Your judgement on this Dev Blog being "crap" is lame, given the only reason it's crap to you is that you're not interested in the content.) They don't necessarily need to update one single page on the website when they already have Live Dev Blogs and a large forum presence, plans are often widely reported if you're not living in a cave. Furthermore, the "I know that there are dozens of players who think same like me," is not justification for anything and is a tired statement. All I can hope is that you'll be slightly more considerate in throwing words like "lazy" around, but my breath is not baited. I was quite surprised regarding this Dev Blog, it was great to see that a large amount of manual "labour" was being put to rest efficiently. The Dev Blogs related to actual development of the content would no doubt be written whether or not these Dev Blogs existed, so they'll come when they'll come. (p.s. inb4 CCP fanboi) /waitsforitamirite? invalid command
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.07.25 01:05:00 - [19] Originally by: PC5 Some ppl call it nice devblog but its BORING. Speak for yourself For a software engineer with a keen interest in software testing, this is one of the better blogs I've seen. Of.c. what I REALLY would like to see was examples of test scripts, or maybe even see a complete test suite and how it was run That being said, blog content has been a bit sparse lately, but I suppose CCP is off on vacation like the rest of the northern hemisphere at the moment.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Frankschtaldt legion industries ltd	Posted - 2008.07.25 02:20:00 - [20] Nice blog. Though I have to say "Ambulation" is a better name that "Walking in Stations".

Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.07.25 07:43:00 - [21] a Dev blog about QA testing. nice ... given the track record of CCPs QA, it's about time they figured out how to do some things properly :-) Btw Lingorm, the Linux/MAC crowd is still waiting on that Dev blog about the alternate clients and stuff ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !

CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.07.25 09:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Aelin Dao Edited by: Aelin Dao on 24/07/2008 20:26:43 You mentioned a new framework for unit testing in the WiS codebase, and integrating it back into the existing code later. Does this mean that the main codebase doesn't have any unit testing at the moment, or was the worry about the new and old frameworks playing well alongside one another? What about pyUnit prompted you to roll your own system? How does it compare to something like Nose, or even just doctests? Also, thanks, it's nice to see technical blog posts. Keep 'em coming. The EVE code base is rather old and has never had a good unit Testing system applied. Yes we Update, refactor and maintain it butunit testing never seemed to get in. pyUnit is the core of the framework that has been implemented, we have just had to add some additional features to support stackless, a service mocking system and support for on the fly recompile (we so when we are developing if we save changes to a file, it recompiles it, reruns any unit tests associated with it and carries on so that we do not have to restart our instances of EVE ,,, which is rather nifty. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.

Lake Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.07.25 11:04:00 - [23] Edited by: Lake on 25/07/2008 11:06:35 Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki Quote: We have created stubbed version of our audio and graphics engines so that we can now replace these in the client and significantly reduce the amount of CPU and memory used by the client Hehe, I guess there are lots of players out there who would kill to get their hands on such a client version. Very interesting dev-blog..oh and I would love to hear more about future API options and what you are planning for it By 'stubbed' they likely mean that other components of the EVE client can make calls to the audio and video engines and those respond in sane manners without actually doing anything. Not doing anything reduces client strain, but means the 'user' doesn't hear or see anything, so probably not all that useful for 'players'. Unless you meant eula-breaking-macro-bot-s**when you said 'players' =p Edit: lol, s-c-u-m** is apparently a four letter word to the censor code. Not only does it mask it out, it also thinks it's more than 3 letters and catches the following space too. -- eve-mail.net (thread) Instant Messaging and E-mail for EVE players

CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.07.25 11:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Lake Edited by: Lake on 25/07/2008 11:06:35 By 'stubbed' they likely mean that other components of the EVE client can make calls to the audio and video engines and those respond in sane manners without actually doing anything. Not doing anything reduces client strain, but means the 'user' doesn't hear or see anything, so probably not all that useful for 'players'. Unless you meant eula-breaking-macro-bot-s**when you said 'players' =p Edit: lol, s-c-u-m is apparently a four letter word to the censor code. Not only does it mask it out, it also thinks it's more than 3 letters and catches the following space too. That is exactly what we mean ... For example the Audio 'Stub' get the command to play a sound ... it replies to the game code 'Done. And no errors reported.' While in actual fact it does absolutely nothing. This reduces CPU use for the client. The Graphic Stub does something similar but because you still need to create and maintain false pointers and such it actually still does some work. But it makes use of the DirectX Null Device to create the graphics environment against so it can maintain the needed fake pointers and such, while not actually doing anything with them ... it is a pretty cool piece of code. We still have some areas of improvement that we can make to it, but all in all we are rather happy with it. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by:** Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.

MynChu NicAtoch Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.07.25 13:45:00 - [25] Edited by: MynChu NicAtoch on 25/07/2008 13:49:07 Edited by: MynChu NicAtoch on 25/07/2008 13:48:05 Originally by: CCP Lingorm ... the Audio 'Stub' get the command to play a sound ... it replies to the game code 'Done. And no errors reported.' While in actual fact it does absolutely nothing. This reduces CPU use for the client. EVE has sound? WTF?!?!? Seriously, I'd like to load my client without sound code and overhead. Like almost everyone who plays in a fleet I have sound disabled, 'cause I'm on a TS server (worse - with multiple command channels). Less CPU load is teh win. Reduced graphics would also be terrific. I know its not how CCP attract new customers - EVE looks great and for some people that is probably important. However, I don't play EVE on a PC that does the graphics artists work justice to it, and have no plans to do so soon. I'd much rather you focussed your design on doing LESS graphics with LESS GPU and CPU utilization but more INFORMATION being conveyed to me in a usable format. My screen real estate is invaluable, and EVE wastes too much of it just to look pretty when I don't need it to. I can spend as much time in EVE working with spreadsheets, maps, emails, forums and instant messaging as I do with the client. I often have to close copies of the client to reduce load. I'm one of the minority of players who make up for our unusual longevity in the game (having played it for more than the average seven months) by running multiple accounts (five in my case). Far from considering adding MORE to CCP's monthly income stream, I'm considering reducing this, mainly because the current graphics load doesn't allow me to get the gameplay out of them that I once could. Actually .. I feel a CSM Assembly Hall post coming on.
Sgt Napalm Synergy Evolved	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:11:00 - [26] That blog is really nerdy but I award it 10/10

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:12:00 - [27] Edited by: CCP Sputnik on 25/07/2008 16:12:09 Originally by: MynChu NicAtoch EVE has sound? WTF?!?!? Seriously, I'd like to load my client without sound code and overhead. Like almost everyone who plays in a fleet I have sound disabled, 'cause I'm on a TS server (worse - with multiple command channels). Less CPU load is teh win. Reduced graphics would also be terrific. I know its not how CCP attract new customers - EVE looks great and for some people that is probably important. However, I don't play EVE on a PC that does the graphics artists work justice to it, and have no plans to do so soon. I'd much rather you focussed your design on doing LESS graphics with LESS GPU and CPU utilization but more INFORMATION being conveyed to me in a usable format. My screen real estate is invaluable, and EVE wastes too much of it just to look pretty when I don't need it to. I can spend as much time in EVE working with spreadsheets, maps, emails, forums and instant messaging as I do with the client. I often have to close copies of the client to reduce load. I'm one of the minority of players who make up for our unusual longevity in the game (having played it for more than the average seven months) by running multiple accounts (five in my case). Far from considering adding MORE to CCP's monthly income stream, I'm considering reducing this, mainly because the current graphics load doesn't allow me to get the gameplay out of them that I once could. Actually .. I feel a CSM Assembly Hall post coming on. ... just to make this clear these changes are not made to play with the client after wards, not even a macro miner could use it because its optimized for a special framework which allows us to simulate player behavior to test specific aspects of server code and hardware. We are only able to reduce the cpu and ram usage of the client so far because we know they will be remote controlled. Over all these Load Clients will improve our possibility's to test server performance in a way which is normally only possible for simple things like websites or SQL server. Additionally a code made for performance is not really the same like a stable player game client, a Load Client doesn't complain if he is losing a ship to a crashing client - you know what I mean __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:22:00 - [28] automated testing is win!
PC5 Black Souls Industries The Unseen Company	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:55:00 - [29] For all you ppl who think this devblog is good or that im wrong in everything i said please teake a look at next devblog with speed changes options. There are over 44 pages in it right now and no doubt there will be more. Its only one day old. And what here? We have few ppl interested in something - cool, but its still nothing and only shows how this devblog is UNIMPORTANT and how other things are discused and that discusion is BADLY needed! I know ppl in CCP are reading my words and im not just only silly man who shouts "f**** company!" or something like that. They are doing wonderful job in CCP with this game but im not the guy who always say "Good work CCP, keep it up!" - some candy boy. I said "Were in shit at some points ppl, do something, improve!". And im glad they done something, maybe i had part in this, maybe someone will think about that - for the good of the game. Devblogs are wonderful thing and i hope my poor language skills havent afected much idea of my posts which is simple - lets talk about really important things, update important stuff because theres BIG need for such dev actions and those 44+ pages in speed nerf blog are showing that clearly. Thats the spirit of EVE.
Elementatia Caldari Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.07.25 20:00:00 - [30] Very nice ! Thank you for the long and good devblog !

RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.25 21:03:00 - [31] Hey guys, Very interesting blog. Are your "Load Clients" based on a program called Venus Blue? I actually worked with Testronics' Venus Blue department,about a month ago and my boss was talking about CCP being very interested in the subject. Interested to know if you decided to go ahead with that.

CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:41:00 - [32] Red Claws. The proof of concept was completed using this Venus Blue. We are keen to look further into it's use, but are also looking at a home grown solution. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.

Tate Aoko Gryphon Dreaming	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:51:00 - [33] Great blog! I saw a talk from someone at Epic around the start of the year about their regression testing strategies (not surprisingly, based more around measuring graphical performance), its great to see more people sharing their experiences publicly.
DHU InMe Gallente JUSTICE Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.26 15:35:00 - [34] Originally by: PC5 Edited by: PC5 on 24/07/2008 19:20:33 Some ppl call it nice devblog but its BORING. Whats interesting about testing stargates, asteroid belts, loot tables? Normaly i wouldnt complain but i want to read about something interesting and last 10 displayed devblogs are crap for me. Im not interested in Evelopedia, E-ON devblog nr X, Customer Support, PvE Content blog which lacks content or others. Im sure ppl are more interested in such things as: - planet colonization, - comets, - solar-system wide asteroid belts, - atmospheric fights near planets, - capital ships possible changes, - fleet battles issues and CCP thoughts about that, - future game development, and many many more.. Some development projects failed - like anti blob warfare (ECM, bombs) and we have only crap like this recent devblog to read? Why its happening so? There are much more important things in game which need devblog but instead we get something like those last 10. And other thing is when will we see updated "In Development" page? To lazy to change it? Give us something good, something fresh, something we WANT to read about and help you somehow. Maybe its only temporary and as 'older' player i will see something interesting here soon. Lets hope so. PS. Sorry for my english, it will improve i promise ;) I hope CCP will improve too, because 1-2 years ago it was interesting to read devblogs, now it isint. Not only for me but for serval ppl i play with and i know ingame. That your opinion, I was interested in all the past dev blog ! Overhaul //todo remake EvE Links //todo remake RTFPN HELP
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2008.07.28 14:38:00 - [35] Nice blog, really enjoyed reading it. Being a bit of an 'agile programmer' myself, I find it hardly surprising that unit testing gets left out of the development progress. Even though it is ideal for development of large projects, the suits never seem to want to allot time for it, and the quality of the programming is diminished because of it. It's good to hear that CCP is (finally?) waking up to this and adding automated and unit testing to their development cycle. I can't help to wonder though if the light weight client can't be extended to allow for a skill-changing client, like the one that was in development for mobile devices? Wouldn't it be a nice answer to all the requests of such a feature? -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Iilludari Gallente Loyalty projects Sempiternus	Posted - 2008.07.28 14:38:00 - [36] Next time you test starbases, could you do some tests on what the fck is happening when storing, moving, deleting bookmarks inside hangars. 9 out of 10 times bookmarks been fiddled with in PoS's it means the hangar can no longer be unanchored. Example: When I took our pos down i LR2-XT, all tabs was showing totally empty. When trying to unanchor was told no can do, stuff still in hangars, in the end I got tired (after waiting almost a week on petition without response) and just blew up the hangar. And lo on behold, 3 bookmarks was in the wreck that I could not see in the hangar (I'm CEO so have full access to everything). Iilludari* CEO of Loyalty Projects Loyalty Projects Homepage
Vriomiunx	Posted - 2008.07.28 15:22:00 - [37] Originally by: Iilludari Next time you test starbases, could you do some tests on what the f*ck is happening when storing, moving, deleting bookmarks inside hangars. 9 out of 10 times bookmarks been fiddled with in PoS's it means the hangar can no longer be unanchored. Example: When I took our pos down i LR2-XT, all tabs was showing totally empty. When trying to unanchor was told no can do, stuff still in hangars, in the end I got tired (after waiting almost a week on petition without response) and just blew up the hangar. And lo on behold, 3 bookmarks was in the wreck that I could not see in the hangar (I'm CEO so have full access to everything). A feeling inside my liver tells me you'd be better off bug reporting it than complaining here.
khosta	Posted - 2008.07.29 03:14:00 - [38] Impressive. How about developing a similar set of tools for testing the effects of balancing changes too? This might help avoid silly errors going public such as trying to nerf nano ships, but ending up nerfing blaster ships unintentionally instead. Yes we need some QA for balance changes urgently.

CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:26:00 - [39] Originally by: khosta Impressive. How about developing a similar set of tools for testing the effects of balancing changes too? This might help avoid silly errors going public such as trying to nerf nano ships, but ending up nerfing blaster ships unintentionally instead. Yes we need some QA for balance changes urgently. I am really really hesitant about that kind of automation for the following reasons. 1) Show me the balance calculations to balance all the ships that I should be using. 2) QA is not Game Design. We do not design game balance, we test that the listed changes are working as specified from Game Design. 3) If everything was balanced by a series of calculations EVE would be a very bland place to fly ships in. It would leave littel room for player innovation. The best QA for Game Changes is YOU, the players. You have the experience and knowledge. Get on the test server, try out the changes and then post in the thread about the changes with a list of issues, with proven cases and suggest some fixes. Just saying "Its broken, its broken." does help us as much as saying "Its broken when you do xyz. Hove you considered doing abc and increasing efg to compensate?". The people in Game Design see that you have tried at the change and a commenting from experience and have offered a solution. They can look at the solution and see if it works. Much better for all involved. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.

Shi'Jin Mao Amarr Digital Pleasure	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:29:00 - [40] CCP well done and haff a cookie it is nice to see a dev-blog about the tools used alot more interesting. just one question, Infiniteband ? when? whats happening ? more updates!!!!!

Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:54:00 - [41] Good blog, I was wondering that if in your tests you checked the type of wrecks... reason I ask was last time I popped an "Angel Webifier" it dropped a generic wreck... granted, it has been a while and it may have been fixed... But keep up the good work. --------*****-------- "Just think how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider!" --George Carlin
Melchior Grimm	Posted - 2008.07.29 14:48:00 - [42] I'm sure that a lot of your players find this type of stuff boring, But I just wanted to thank you. This log and others like it are completely awesome.
Disposeble Alt Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.31 07:00:00 - [43] Does thin new tool also allow you to run timing tests? If it does it could be used to run an agility test something like this, if you are not already riunning something like it. have each ship posisioned at a certain spot and accellerate from 0 to warp speed and to max, the same but then with a 30 degree turn, 90 degree turn, 180 degree turn. repeat with running ab and with running mwd. It could even be extended with fitting appropriate plates and or speed mods (and rigs) as well as differing pilot skill levels This would tell you if the ships are behaving as expected and may point at simple balance issues before release I would be intrested in the data gathered with this and I suspect others might be as well. Posts by alts hide political affiliation and history. No political statement by any alt should be taken seriously.
OSGOD	Posted - 2008.08.04 08:25:00 - [44] how about taking your hands out off your ass and fixing the overview bug which has palgued us since trinity you morons,getting sick and tired off beoing lied to bye you people instead off adding more problems and bugs how about fixing your **** ups first apart from you guys creatiing bugs it is a good game could be the best but 4 uoir continous ignorance off the bugs you create every time you have a major upgrade you will have toexcuse my language as i and many people have been trying to get this fixed since it was introduced with trinity

CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.08.05 09:53:00 - [45] Originally by: OSGOD how about taking your hands out off your ass and fixing the overview bug which has palgued us since trinity you morons,getting sick and tired off beoing lied to bye you people instead off adding more problems and bugs how about fixing your ** ups first apart from you guys creatiing bugs it is a good game could be the best but 4 uoir continous ignorance off the bugs you create every time you have a major upgrade you will have toexcuse my language as i and many people have been trying to get this fixed since it was introduced with trinity Interesting ... I can find no bug reports submitted by you on this topic. If it is of such importance you really should submit a bug report. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by:** Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.



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