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Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:25:00 - [1] You're still going to be slaughtered by players who can fit, fly and fight better than you. (Nanofans should also be aware of this.) CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:27:00 - [2] So big arse slow boats are gonna be the new flavour of the coolkids?
Dalek Commander	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:29:00 - [3] ECM and Spider tanking will be the new flavor of the cool kids.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate So big arse slow boats are gonna be the new flavour of the coolkids? Let us all rejoice at the return of the battleships!
Andrest Disch Amarr EXILED WINGS	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:41:00 - [5] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Zephyr Rengate So big arse slow boats are gonna be the new flavour of the coolkids? Let us all rejoice at the return of the battleships! Return of battleships? When did they leave?
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:02:00 - [6] Battleships never went anywhere, what ship do you think we put the Heavy Neuts on to kill said Nano problem. __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Artemis Rose Battleships never went anywhere, what ship do you think we put the Heavy Neuts on to kill said Nano problem. No you didnt. Nanos cant be killed and need a nerf. /me looks on corp kill board and sees 72 ishtar kills, 65 vagga kils. SKUNK
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:35:00 - [8] I'm just saying that all those "drinking delicious nanfan tears" are failing to realise that they'll still have to get their passive drakes within 7.5Km of their targets... and that "broken speed" was not the only reason why they were getting owned. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Malcanis I'm just saying that all those "drinking delicious nanfan tears" are failing to realise that they'll still have to get their passive drakes within 7.5Km of their targets... and that "broken speed" was not the only reason why they were getting owned. I can imagine the whines already. At this rate, Tarminic will have enough tears for thousands of whinecakes. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Andrest Disch Amarr EXILED WINGS	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Malcanis I'm just saying that all those "drinking delicious nanfan tears" are failing to realise that they'll still have to get their passive drakes within 7.5Km of their targets... and that "broken speed" was not the only reason why they were getting owned. Shush, don't tell them that. When they're getting owned after nanos have been nefed they might re-evaluate their opinions (or yell for a ECM nerf/webber buff), and in the meantime we can laugh at blaster boats.

Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Artemis Rose Battleships never went anywhere, what ship do you think we put the Heavy Neuts on to kill said Nano problem. No you didnt. Nanos cant be killed and need a nerf. /me looks on corp kill board and sees 72 ishtar kills, 65 vagga kils. SKUNK
Eran Laude Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:50:00 - [12] Edited by: Eran Laude on 25/07/2008 17:50:39 Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Malcanis I'm just saying that all those "drinking delicious nanfan tears" are failing to realise that they'll still have to get their passive drakes within 7.5Km of their targets... and that "broken speed" was not the only reason why they were getting owned. I can imagine the whines already. At this rate, Tarminic will have enough tears for thousands of whinecakes. Huzzah! Whinecakery for all! REJOICE!
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Malcanis I'm just saying that all those "drinking delicious nanfan tears" are failing to realise that they'll still have to get their passive drakes within 7.5Km of their targets... and that "broken speed" was not the only reason why they were getting owned. QFT
Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:13:00 - [14] Originally by: Artemis Rose Battleships never went anywhere, what ship do you think we put the Heavy Neuts on to kill said Nano problem. The problem is not so much a nano ship as it is a large number of nano ships. Nano gank squads can still rip apart a BS in no time, especially multiple Ishtar nanos that can deploy a massive payload in term of heavy drones and then avoid any real consequences.
Xaen Caldari Caritas.	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Veldya Originally by: Artemis Rose Battleships never went anywhere, what ship do you think we put the Heavy Neuts on to kill said Nano problem. The problem is not so much a nano ship as it is a large number of nano ships. Nano gank squads can still rip apart a BS in no time, especially multiple Ishtar nanos that can deploy a massive payload in term of heavy drones and then avoid any real consequences. So you disqualify losing 4.5M to 10M in drones every fight as "no real consequnce"? In that case, can I have some ISK? I mean....if it doesn't matter to you... - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Artemis Rose Battleships never went anywhere, what ship do you think we put the Heavy Neuts on to kill said Nano problem. No you didnt. Nanos cant be killed and need a nerf. /me looks on corp kill board and sees 72 ishtar kills, 65 vagga kils. SKUNK Killing one is easy, killing lots of them are not so easy. I think the biggest problem of late is the sheer number of morons who think nano=invincible, you still need half a brain to fly a nano well and know the limitations. The number of people in a nano that have tried to tackle my Domi and have had their cap drained, webbed and scrambled just makes me shake my head in bewilderment. The power of the nano is ultimately the ability to pick and choose your target far easier than any conventional build and it is far easier to avoid the consequences of conflict if you aren't an idiot.
Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Xaen So you disqualify losing 4.5M to 10M in drones every fight as "no real consequnce"? In that case, can I have some ISK? I mean....if it doesn't matter to you... Drones are just like any form of ammunition. When I fly Caldari ships I spend more than that on faction ammo than I do on drone loses in my Domi. You will make 4.5m in one belt, a few belts if you are in some shithole regions. That kind of money is really extremely trivial.
Aria Seniste	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:48:00 - [18] Edited by: Aria Seniste on 25/07/2008 19:49:00 Originally by: Malcanis You're still going to be slaughtered by players who can fit, fly and fight better than you. (Nanofans should also be aware of this.) Very true, and very good. This is the way it should be. The difference is, now we'll see varied tactics, and varied ships on the field. Better tactics still win the day (not f1-f8). HACs are still much more mobile than BCs, BS, etc, while dishing out considerable DPS... and, if people start tanking them, absorbing quite a bit as well. I think people have forgotten what a non-nano HAC can do, and are thinking they'll still nanofit once it becomes less usable, and thus be useless. They're still capable of fast strikes, they're just not frigate speed. And they shouldn't be. High speed, "wolf pack" tactics (pouncing on anyone who strays too far from the blob, picking them off, then retreating) are still viable.. for the ships they were intended for. Frigates. Interceptors, bombers for DPS, assault ships (now that webs aren't suicide), and even tech1 frigates.. light, fast, more agile than any nano ship was... But without the cruiser DPS and tank. In other words, the tactic is still viable, but you can no longer do it with a heavy assault ship. Heavy. Assault. Not intended to be light skirmish craft. That's what your frigates are for. Edit: I had to add an irony I've noticed. Nano pilots always spewed the "Adapt or Die" line. Now, whingeing. What, it's not fun when you have to adapt your playstyle, too?
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.25 20:49:00 - [19] Quote: But without the cruiser DPS and tank. In other words, the tactic is still viable, but you can no longer do it with a heavy assault ship. Heavy. Assault. Not intended to be light skirmish craft. That's what your frigates are for. Edit: I had to add an irony I've noticed. Nano pilots always spewed the "Adapt or Die" line. Now, whingeing. What, it's not fun when you have to adapt your playstyle, too? What he said. Now the AF will actually hit the field and be muich more viable I reckon. Here comes my Hawk!
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.07.25 21:12:00 - [20] Edited by: DubanFP on 25/07/2008 21:14:00 Originally by: Malcanis You're still going to be slaughtered by players who can fit, fly and fight better than you. (Nanofans should also be aware of this.) This. The newbie whiners are just going to get their asses handed to them in a different manner. Then they'll begin whining about that. It's also a shame the whiners win again! A handful of people get their way because they wreck the forums with many many repeated posts while the normal people don't want to see the forums ruined by adding more crap against it. So they just ignore the crap. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.

Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.07.25 21:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Soporo Quote: But without the cruiser DPS and tank. In other words, the tactic is still viable, but you can no longer do it with a heavy assault ship. Heavy. Assault. Not intended to be light skirmish craft. That's what your frigates are for. Edit: I had to add an irony I've noticed. Nano pilots always spewed the "Adapt or Die" line. Now, whingeing. What, it's not fun when you have to adapt your playstyle, too? What he said. Now the AF will actually hit the field and be muich more viable I reckon. Here comes my Hawk! yea i hope you fly your hawk. nothing can save that pile of crap. [/url]
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.25 21:20:00 - [22] Truth is, a good pilot can make any ship seem overpowered. You find someone who is good flying a dessie, and you'd never believe that they are a crap ship. Somethings only seem impossible for the rest of us. Flying a ship is as much the skills as it is the fitting and the MINDSET of the pilot. Even with the best nano setup in the world, I'd probably still be killed quickly. I just don't think of flying in that way. On the flipside, I still don't think that the concept or use of nanos was overpowered. I didn't think the old stabs were overpowered, nor the huge armor resists from before that. I think these new proposed changes are nice, but the real deal is that there needs to be multiple, equally valid options, other than DPS or nano. Let me stab, uber tank, nano ... whatever suits me. But don't leave one above all others in effectiveness. Genesis Project
TerrorBaBy Jolly Rogerers	Posted - 2008.07.25 21:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Veldya Originally by: Artemis Rose Battleships never went anywhere, what ship do you think we put the Heavy Neuts on to kill said Nano problem. The problem is not so much a nano ship as it is a large number of nano ships. Nano gank squads can still rip apart a BS in no time, especially multiple Ishtar nanos that can deploy a massive payload in term of heavy drones and then avoid any real consequences. There's a 10 letter word that may help you against nano gangs: 'friendship' You see, if you had this mythical bond between a few people you would have 5 or 6 neuting battleships; not just one, on your own, against a nano-gang... _______________ Originally by: Constance Harme It's like willfully getting into a car full of strangers and then being driven out to the woods and being shot.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.07.25 21:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Dalek Commander ECM and Spider tanking will be the new flavor of the cool kids. Not sure if you just woke up but corps have been doing that for a couple years now. SMELL THE COFFEE KID! Don't hate me, learn to love me
Xaen Caldari Caritas.	Posted - 2008.07.29 01:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Veldya Originally by: Xaen So you disqualify losing 4.5M to 10M in drones every fight as "no real consequnce"? In that case, can I have some ISK? I mean....if it doesn't matter to you... Drones are just like any form of ammunition. When I fly Caldari ships I spend more than that on faction ammo than I do on drone loses in my Domi. You will make 4.5m in one belt, a few belts if you are in some shithole regions. That kind of money is really extremely trivial. If it's trivial to you, send me some. If you say it's trivial to you, but not everyone (and I don't deserve your ISK), then you're admitting it matters. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2008.07.29 02:09:00 - [26] The skunk has this one. Hacs are not BS and do not and should not make up the main firepower of any fleet. too fast = no defence. and dont give me that anti-nano effectiveness bullshit, if ccp got off their arse to do something everything is NOT okay. and i do actually fly nanos, lets face it who doesnt.
Daelin Blackleaf The Reclaimed	Posted - 2008.07.29 02:15:00 - [27] People that aren't any good at PvP still won't be any good at PvP? Say it aint so.
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.07.29 02:15:00 - [28] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/07/2008 02:15:57 Originally by: Dr Fighter if ccp got off their arse to do something everything is NOT okay. No offense to CCP, but what choice would they have with soo many whiners. What they seem to fail to notice is that people only come to make posts like that when they have a problem. As posts keep coming the people who are around stop defending because it's pointless to fight the same crap arguements day after day. The people who don't have a problem don't show up until something really poorly thought shows up like the dev blog. Now we're seeing the people who realize how stupid this whole thing is showing up. Sorry, but your opinion is flawed because it doesn't take into consideration how biased the forums are. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Steel Tigeress Gallente Steel-Wolfs	Posted - 2008.07.29 02:39:00 - [29] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 29/07/2008 02:18:03 Originally by: Dr Fighter if ccp got off their arse to do something everything is NOT okay. No offense to CCP, but what choice would they have with soo many whiners. What they seem to fail to notice is that people only come to make posts like that when they have a problem. As posts keep coming the people who are around stop defending because it's pointless to fight the same crap arguements day after day. The people who don't have a problem don't show up until something really poorly thought shows up like the dev blog. Now we're seeing the people who realize how stupid this whole thing is showing up. Sorry, but your opinion is flawed because it doesn't take into consideration how biased the forums are. The same can be said of the CSM. It's made up of people out to change EVE and doesn't fairly take into account the people who like things the way they are. It's why I've always urged CCP to take everything the forums and the CSM say with a grain of salt. Not really. It just means the anti nano crowd is placated because they know things are going to change, while the nano crowd that was happy in their broken ships, is now the forum whiners. Nothing more. For example: I've always felt nano's were bad overall. As such I read almost every nano thread posted for the last couple months. I have never seen you untill the nerf was announced. In other words you were happy and silent, now you're whining with the best of them in every nano thread.
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.07.29 02:50:00 - [30] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/07/2008 02:56:23 Originally by: Steel Tigeress I have never seen you untill the nerf was announced. In other words you were happy and silent, now you're whining with the best of them in every nano thread. Really? I've been pretty prominent on these forums for the last 2 years. I've made a lot of posts and have been in a lot of the major posts. You may not have made notice to my name, but i've been around. Also you'd prove my point if you were right. Many people don't show up until they have a problem. The whiners showed up then because they had a problem. I still believe the problem firmly rests with them. Now the nanousers show up, after the fact, because they're the ones with the problem. The discussions seemed one sided then only because the other side just wasn't around because they didn't have a problem. Notice how both sides are in the discussion now? However as far as I've seen most of the people on the other side of the discussion are far less experienced and their posts are often based of falicies. 20km/s vagabond anyone? Yeah, not realistic. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.



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