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Loyal Servant Caldari PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:13:00 - [31] This kills me... We have devs in this post that are not challenging people about this automagic detection of theirs. When they first implemented it I was sitting in empire being spammed in local I posted this and was challenged by devs and damn near called a liar.. and now it's an issue? It's been a REALLY long time. Your damned isk farmers had your system beat 5 minutes out of the starting gate. NOW you talk of restricting trials.... WHY DON'T YOU JUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT BUYERS AND FARMERS? CCP, YOU FAIL... Ban the damned farmers and make the price of isk HIGH and something might happen!
Big Al Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:18:00 - [32] Edited by: Big Al on 26/07/2008 16:18:45 Why would CCP do anything about farmers? They don't make 70 page posts when CCP do something stupid. They don't fight in large fleet battles that cause headaches for db admins. Those that aren't online 23/7 help to balance out the average server population (as china primetime offsets euro/america) making their numbers look better. About the only thing the farmers are hurting are CCP's sanctioned ISK sales. I feel sorry for the people who sit in large public channels/npc corps who have to deal with the constant spam.
Loyal Servant Caldari PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:28:00 - [33] Originally by: Big Al Edited by: Big Al on 26/07/2008 16:18:45 Why would CCP do anything about farmers? They don't make 70 page posts when CCP do something stupid. They don't fight in large fleet battles that cause headaches for db admins. Those that aren't online 23/7 help to balance out the average server population (as china primetime offsets euro/america) making their numbers look better. About the only thing the farmers are hurting are CCP's sanctioned ISK sales. I feel sorry for the people who sit in large public channels/npc corps who have to deal with the constant spam. I get the picture... the very small vocal minority of us that despise 0.0 ravens with cloaks or the massive mission farming that goes on. Of course they wont kill farmers.. why? farmers are probably 1/3 of the eve population. Thing is, they are 'trying' to stop the spam and it is just not working so another approach is needed - such as when a buyer is found BAN HIM. Why do these boneheads think that it is okay to just take the isk away? By many peoples' own admission there are second time offenders, third time offenders and yes, I have seen people that have whined caught 4 times and not banned. This is what kills me: smartbombing raven outside jita 4-4 = ban suicide ganking a freighter outside jita 4-4 with 15--20 domis = no ban repeatedly buying isk from isk sellers, over and over and disrupting game balance in the process.... no ban... perfectly OK to do.
RigelKentaurus Flying Tartiflette Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:58:00 - [34] Originally by: Slade Trillgon In short, the Rigel's post proposes an interactive time sink mission that must be completed to open up local and other channels. This in combination with requireing that the intro storyline missions must be completed to open up skills to be trained, say battleship, should decrease the ease of using alts by increasing the time that is needed to make them useful within EVE. And at the same time it could improve the immersion factor of the tutorial. That's the idea we came up with when we wondered how to seriously diminish the spam. At first people were saying all this old stuff about credit cards and etc, but it soon became obvious that making trial accounts even less appealing for newbies would hurt the game. So we wondered if game mechanics could be useful against ISK spammers, and got this idea. _________ Someday, EVE may look like this.
Duran Vosa Gallente Republic Research and Logistics	Posted - 2008.07.26 17:21:00 - [35] Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Big Al Edited by: Big Al on 26/07/2008 16:18:45 Why would CCP do anything about farmers? They don't make 70 page posts when CCP do something stupid. They don't fight in large fleet battles that cause headaches for db admins. Those that aren't online 23/7 help to balance out the average server population (as china primetime offsets euro/america) making their numbers look better. About the only thing the farmers are hurting are CCP's sanctioned ISK sales. I feel sorry for the people who sit in large public channels/npc corps who have to deal with the constant spam. I get the picture... the very small vocal minority of us that despise 0.0 ravens with cloaks or the massive mission farming that goes on. Of course they wont kill farmers.. why? farmers are probably 1/3 of the eve population. Thing is, they are 'trying' to stop the spam and it is just not working so another approach is needed - such as when a buyer is found BAN HIM. Why do these boneheads think that it is okay to just take the isk away? By many peoples' own admission there are second time offenders, third time offenders and yes, I have seen people that have whined caught 4 times and not banned. This is what kills me: smartbombing raven outside jita 4-4 = ban suicide ganking a freighter outside jita 4-4 with 15--20 domis = no ban repeatedly buying isk from isk sellers, over and over and disrupting game balance in the process.... no ban... perfectly OK to do. So it legal to Buy isk???? --------------------------------------------- Mining one Roid at a time...
Loyal Servant Caldari PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Duran Vosa So it legal to Buy isk???? No, but you don't exactly have much to fear by doing it.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:48:00 - [37] Originally by: Lui Kai The easy answer is requiring a Credit Card to register for a trial. No charges to it, no obligations against it - just require one. The problem with banning isk sellers is their immediate return - if they have to get a new credit card each time to return, it becomes more complicated. Ding.. Ding...Ding...Ding..Ding... we have a winner!
RigelKentaurus Flying Tartiflette Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:54:00 - [38] Originally by: Jinx Barker Ding.. Ding...Ding...Ding..Ding... we have a winner! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832280&page=1#24 _________ Someday, EVE may look like this.
R0ot Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:57:00 - [39] Forgive the ignorance you may read written by me here, had to dupe the guy into saying stuff: Originally by: "Live Help" Thank you for your patience when waiting for Live Help, we apologize for any delays that you may experience. Currently 1 users waiting for Live Help. [Refresh] Would you like to continue waiting or leave an Offline Email ? Larney: Welcome to Live Help, how may I help you? Larney: hello John: hi John: i've got a few questions about the eve online section John: do you sell eve online accounts? John: or just isk? Larney: yes we do John: is there any chance of me getting banned by the makers of eve if I buy an account or isk through you? Larney: no you will be 100% safe John: so the game developers don't have any rules against the buying and selling of isk or accounts? Larney: they do but we have sytems to keep you safe John: so its against the rules but you promise I won't get caught? John: what kind of guarantee do I have? Larney: we really dont Larney: but we have not ahad any issues in a very long time John: but you have had issues? John: hello? Larney: yes but no account baningas John: no account bannings, but what else could they do? John: if they don't ban a bought account, what other punishment is there? Larney: they pull back isk thats is all Larney: but they dont know becuse we have a great new system John: i've been playing eve for awhile and the only way I know to transfer isk to someone is "give money" button John: your trying to tell me there is a better way? John: that eve devs can't see? Larney: y7es John: ok thank you for your time I did laugh at the 100% safe bit, then he mentions you can get caught but its just very very unlikely.
Luzz Bightyear	Posted - 2008.07.26 20:35:00 - [40] Edited by: Luzz Bightyear on 26/07/2008 20:37:24 My suggestion is to force all trial characters to a trial system which is cut off from the rest of EVE. No need to remove trial accounts entirely. EDIT: Or better, force them to play on the test server. They'd get to experiance a lot of the game and basic mechanics very quickly there. ------------------ DO WANT (I know it's a miner and not a gun, I'm lazy )
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.26 20:51:00 - [41] Originally by: astowv solution: NO GOD DAMN FREE TRIALS Solution: better channel filtering, and limits on free trial channel access. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.26 20:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Luzz Bightyear Edited by: Luzz Bightyear on 26/07/2008 20:37:24 My suggestion is to force all trial characters to a trial system which is cut off from the rest of EVE. No need to remove trial accounts entirely. EDIT: Or better, force them to play on the test server. They'd get to experiance a lot of the game and basic mechanics very quickly there. Or force them to finish the tutorial before joining the main game. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Luzz Bightyear	Posted - 2008.07.26 21:04:00 - [43] Edited by: Luzz Bightyear on 26/07/2008 21:07:32 Bad idea. It's way too easy to do something out of sequence and screw up the tutorial entirely. When I help people, it tends to revolve around how to quit the tut because it's fubar. ------------------ DO WANT (I know it's a miner and not a gun, I'm lazy )
CetusOfAsuran well of Urd	Posted - 2008.07.26 21:07:00 - [44] Originally by: CCP RyanD Originally by: Lui Kai The easy answer is requiring a Credit Card to register for a trial. Unfortunately, it is now possible to generate valid credit card accounts in bulk. There are foreign banks who are willing to provide this service to RMT dealers. Access to a valid credit card is no deterrent to RMT activity. RyanD there is also readily available downloadable programs for credit card generation for validation, aimed more for peeps that dont have a CC for age veri on the erm naughty sites. Try thinking outside the box a little, no trial account but a free month when you buy your first month, or a full/partial refund if feedback is given as to why you didnt like the game. As for macro's again outside the box, stop the auto-concord attack rubbish, new button on the side bar/overview/somewhere else which calls for help, i know the brit police dont help unless you ask for it so why do concord? obviously if they are already present at gates/stations etc fine bbq away but anywhere else nadda, macros aint gonna push no button. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=792173&page=2
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.26 21:16:00 - [45] Originally by: CetusOfAsuran Originally by: CCP RyanD Originally by: Lui Kai The easy answer is requiring a Credit Card to register for a trial. Unfortunately, it is now possible to generate valid credit card accounts in bulk. There are foreign banks who are willing to provide this service to RMT dealers. Access to a valid credit card is no deterrent to RMT activity. RyanD there is also readily available downloadable programs for credit card generation for validation, aimed more for peeps that dont have a CC for age veri on the erm naughty sites. Try thinking outside the box a little, no trial account but a free month when you buy your first month, or a full/partial refund if feedback is given as to why you didnt like the game. As for macro's again outside the box, stop the auto-concord attack rubbish, new button on the side bar/overview/somewhere else which calls for help, i know the brit police dont help unless you ask for it so why do concord? obviously if they are already present at gates/stations etc fine bbq away but anywhere else nadda, macros aint gonna push no button. Actually I do like that idea, but for the lag implications. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Victor Draconian	Posted - 2008.07.26 21:29:00 - [46] Originally by: FluterEx Originally by: astowv solution: NO GOD DAMN FREE TRIALS That would be a solution but how are new players supposed to test the game then ? Keep the Free Trial, But ask for credit card info, Then at the 14th day close the account and give a pop up that states, "Would you like to keep playing, your card will be charged 14.99 for the game and you'll gain 30 day free trial, Enjoy your time in eve"
Ashen Angel Minmatar AA Mining	Posted - 2008.07.26 21:31:00 - [47] how about stopping the market for isk, do a public shame of the buyers. If there are no buyers, then the sellers have no market. Core problem is they are feeding a market that is there...
Luzz Bightyear	Posted - 2008.07.26 21:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Ashen Angel how about stopping the market for isk, do a public shame of the buyers. If there are no buyers, then the sellers have no market. Core problem is they are feeding a market that is there... As long as there are big corps that need isk to feed their war machines, there will always be a market for buying isk. They won't care if they get shamed publicly for it. ------------------ DO WANT (I know it's a miner and not a gun, I'm lazy )
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.26 22:08:00 - [49] I say that CCP should simply sell the isk themselves. The 'solutions' against isk sellers seem to all be focused on pushing all the financial gain out of high sec, so that the 'good and wholesome' crowd can thus take a chunk out of the macrominers and industrialists. I just can't buy the bull that this is 100% noble intentions. What most aren't realizing is that the profit margins have already died in high sec. Veld is the most profitable astroid to mine, and have you ever hit that thing with a strip miner? Two cycles, it's through. Ice mining is turning over much less a profit than simple veld is, for time, percentage mined, and rewards. The argument fails in that regard. In fact, it seems that the moon-mining 0.0 corporations are the ones with the money to sell, wouldn't you think? Even mid-sized alliances can field HUGE fleets and replace dreads and BS's like crazy. In the end, people are going to make isk to sell, and others will sell isk for cash. CCP might as well just go on and undercut the market. I mean, put the profits back into the game, at least, and do it with no threat to the buyer. If you can't beat them, join them, and do it better. Course, this would kill the market. And players with more money outside of game would have more stuff. But if you think that this isn't already the case, you are probably pretty naive. Genesis Project
Loyal Servant Caldari PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.26 23:43:00 - [50] I like the idea of reporting WHO bought isk when they are caught. Problem is, they are not caught. My MC friend that posted the online chat log from the isk buying site hit it on the head... they know how to evade detection. See, most veteran players have alts that bank isk. I have one, and I know lots more that do the same thing. So, if I bought isk on this character and got caught its no big loss. By then I would have spent the isk on things and scrubbed it so well that if I had -500 mil in my wallet it will not exactly cause me a problem. That is the kind of loophole that exists and I know damned well it is exploited.
MongWen Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:01:00 - [51] I have to agree with Loyal Servant's last post, what stops the buyers form just useing throw away alts to get a big negitive wallet and just biomass them. and get isk over to main char (scrubbed down ofc). ------------------
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:15:00 - [52] someone mentioned a while ago in game or on the forums, not sure, but they mentioned a good way would be to prevent trial accounts from joining any other channel, other than rookie help (where there are devs already) and local/ corp chat (although, if i was a CEO, i wouldnt accept someone w/ the name "sjfkl;sdahfjpash", but whatever, 3 channels sound way better than 2, lol and if they did this, as i said, on the rookie help there are already devs there, so if someone were to start spamming on it, they could track it down, and presto, could help solve some problems, also if they start spamming it on local, most rookies dont really pay attention to local, well i didnt at least, i payed attention to the rookie help so i could learn as much as possible and what someone else mentioned before ban trial accounts, well im not entirely in line with that, however, maybe another possible solution could be to make it so the account is payable only, BUT the person gets an extra 14 days added onto that 30 days they payed for, it would be the same as if they got a trial and started paying my 0.02 isk
Lord Makk The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:16:00 - [53] put trial on a Test server or similar.... Then insta-move if they purchase the subscription.. ofc skills trained there, follows...
ghost st	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:18:00 - [54] Why doesnt CCP just put some flag in the registry or something if someone gets permabanned, making it so that they cannot use the eve-o client. Alot of trial progams use similar methods. No client = no sampper alts
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:21:00 - [55] Originally by: Lord Makk put trial on a Test server or similar.... Then insta-move if they purchase the subscription.. ofc skills trained there, follows... i have mentioned this before, but some naysayer kinda shot me down but apparently im not alone, this has been mentioned a few times so far http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828556
Grarr Dexx Amarr Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:28:00 - [56] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832459 I lol'd hard, so many of these...
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.27 01:09:00 - [57] Well there are players that had dealt with corps before and disliked all the malarky or lack of a social environment a rookie corp could provide for a casual sense. Filter system doesnt work they can register new websites with bots and toss up a similar site, also their messages change every spam now, the bots would spam rush 2-3 messages then log off and come back on as another new trail probably on automatic as well, then they got about 5 individual bots going off all at once, so the spam is now constant during certain times of the day ><. Local Help and thier rookie channels are the most common place and only place they seem to spam and I am still left wondering how they rocket spam so quickly while im delayed between my messages? New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.07.27 01:56:00 - [58] One of the MMO's that I play is LOTRO (Lord of the Rings Online). When you start the game, you start in the starter instance, with no possibility to communicate yet with 'the real server'. After the first small tutorial, you get into the starter zone. Only starters will be there, and will do some quests until they have a high enough level to fullfill the complete tutorial and enter the main server. From start to main server will take at least a couple of hours. So spamm bots don't work, because you realy have to play a few hours before entering the main server. Isn't it an idea to 'force' players to fullfill the first, or even the first 2 tutorials before unlocking the communication channels ? I know the rookie channel is very handy, but if you follow the starting tutorial you should be able to fullfill that easely by just doing as instructed. That being said it's only the Rookie channel that's get spammed right (that is still annoying offcourse) ?
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.27 02:04:00 - [59] rookie channel has become a holding spot for several casual players and alts of veterans who want to get away from thier daily tribulations far away from empire. New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Loyal Servant Caldari PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.27 02:10:00 - [60] Originally by: Xevan Templar One of the MMO's that I play is LOTRO (Lord of the Rings Online). When you start the game, you start in the starter instance, with no possibility to communicate yet with 'the real server'. After the first small tutorial, you get into the starter zone. Only starters will be there, and will do some quests until they have a high enough level to fullfill the complete tutorial and enter the main server. From start to main server will take at least a couple of hours. So spamm bots don't work, because you realy have to play a few hours before entering the main server. Isn't it an idea to 'force' players to fullfill the first, or even the first 2 tutorials before unlocking the communication channels ? I know the rookie channel is very handy, but if you follow the starting tutorial you should be able to fullfill that easely by just doing as instructed. That being said it's only the Rookie channel that's get spammed right (that is still annoying offcourse) ? We also have an option to report as spammer and it adds the person to your ignore list. I was told that if you rolled another character that you could bypass the n00b instance and land right into the real server. I always play the newbie instance personally when making or trying out another class. Something like this would work for eve, trial users connect to another server that is their own little sandbox.. and you have to pay for the real deal. see, if the farmers had to pay to spam then spam would go away instantly. legitimate trial users would still get the experience.. spammers would get a very, very small audience. none of this stops gold farmers or sellers, which is why there is spam. no buyers/sellers = no spam.

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